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Cohen's an admitted liar. Mueller didn't even have to strongarm him into a confession like Mueller had to with Flynn and Manafort.

Libs simply cannot see that Mueller forced Cohen to compose, but the Southern District of New York wasn't able to. HAR! ROFL!

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Let's keep in mind that the National Enquirer burying stories about Trump's sex life was only a small part of what they did to help elect Trump. I want to see some focus on the dozens of false stories they published on their front page about Hillary Clinton. Did the Trump campaign have any role in those stories?

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Cohen claims Trump knew hush money payments wrong

I question whether Individual 1 has even the most rudimentary sense of right or wrong. Trump, like all narcissistically impaired sociopaths, especially those coddled throughout life as members of some putative 'elite' privileged class, is far too me-centric to even consider any thought beyond Henderson the Rain King's I-want-I-want.

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Trump is already trying to set up a means of pleading ignorance, by claiming that if it was illegal, he would have expected his lawyer to tell him. But Trump runs an empire where people are not allowed to tell him he's wrong, or he freaks out. This is the game he plays. He pleads ignorance without having any means of becoming non-ignorant.

The question will be whether legally, that is a defense. I remember hearing 'ignorance of the law is no excuse' growing up, but I'm not sure if that is still the case.

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The question will be whether legally, that is a defense. I remember hearing 'ignorance of the law is no excuse' growing up, but I'm not sure if that is still the case.

It is not a defense; everyone is imputed with knowledge of the law. A lawyer failing to warn you that a proposed course of action is illegal is strong evidence that you thought you were acting within the law.

That said, lawyers keep records of meetings with clients. Trump would wave privilege by raising this defense.

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What's the crime in two consenting adults exchanging money?

It's a free country isn't it?

Great questions! It's not like the crime has been explained as naseum by the biased, liberal media.

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said he "gave loyalty to someone who, truthfully, does not deserve loyalty." Cohen spoke in an interview with ABC that aired Friday on "Good Morning America."

Only said because he got nailed while riding the coattails of someone he thought would make him more money and famous!

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glad cohen finally came out from trump's web, sure trump knows what is right and wrong but he doesn't care.

his rule # 1 is he is always right, rule # 2 is if you have doubt see rule # 1.

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his rule # 1 is he is always right, rule # 2 is if you have doubt see rule # 1.

Haha, that's what I tell my kids!

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Lawyer =Liar. Who cares what he says, he is not a credible witness for anything. He was convicted and admitted to lying.

The story of the cat and the RAT.

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Trump's new gambit - that I told him to lie and he obeyed so he therefore cannot now be trusted - is multiple shades too cute. Like a tot with a face smeared with cookie crumbs swearing he didn't steal a cookie, Trump vastly underestimates the credubility of all but his base. He'll find this out, eventually, when the law catches up with him. "Knowingly and willfuly" is required for conviction here, and that's the rope Cohen just provided to Trump.

Still, election finance illegalities is small peanuts compared to what Mueller has in store regarding Russian collusion.

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Lawyer =Liar.

Trump = Idiot, at least according to most of his senior staff...

Who cares what he says,

The jury...

he is not a credible witness for anything.

Corroborated by Pecker, tapes, e-mails, documents...

He was convicted and admitted to lying.

Mandatory requirement for a Trump administration job...

The story of the cat and the RAT.

And the big rat is caught in the trap...

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Trump = Idiot

This is actually true.

Google the word Idiot and see what the most prominent result is.

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8T: Lawyer =Liar.

A Trump fan pointing at someone else and calling them a liar. There's that disconnect again.

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Napolitano from Fox News has been providing some sobering analysis over the last week:

"Career prosecutors here in New York have evidence that the president of the United States committed a felony by ordering and paying Michael Cohen to break the law,” Napolitano said while speaking on Fox News.

“How do we know that? They told that to the federal judge. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they actually have that hardcore evidence. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they intend to do something with that evidence."

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"Career prosecutors here in New York have evidence that the president of the United States committed a felony by ordering and paying Michael Cohen to break the law,” Napolitano said while speaking on Fox News.

Napolitano also said, proving Trump ordered Cohen is not an easy thing to do. Just because Cohen who as we know lied on numerous occasions has a credibility problem which works in Trump’s favor, thank God!

“How do we know that? They told that to the federal judge. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they actually have that hardcore evidence. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they intend to do something with that evidence.

The case that they have is weak, flimsy at best, proving that Trump committed a campaign finance fraud knowingly is going to prove to be an extremely challenging act for Mueller.

Good luck with that.

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The Napolitano also said, proving Trump ordered Cohen is not an easy thing to do. Just because Cohen who as we know lied on numerous occasions has a credibility problem which works in Trump’s favor, thank God!

Totally! It's not as if the corrupt Dems on Mueller's team or in the Southern District of New York have corroborating evidence from AMI that supports Cohen's testimony. Silly libs getting their hopes up.

The case that they have is weak, flimsy at best, proving that Trump committed a campaign finance fraud knowingly is going to prove to be an extremely challenging act for Mueller.

Good luck with that.

I couldn't agree more! It's not as if there is corroborating evidence. HAR! LOL! Smh. Kudos!

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bass: The case that they have is weak, flimsy at best,

Well, as Mr. Nap said, "Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they actually have that hardcore evidence." I'll put my money on him, unless you are related to him.

proving that Trump committed a campaign finance fraud knowingly is going to prove to be an extremely challenging act for Mueller.

Yep. And what makes it easier is if there are tapes from Cohen and proof of meetings with The National Enquirer with witnesses.

Proving discrimination is also extremely difficult, but Trump managed to get sued and lose in his real estate dealings. Twice. Why? Because they were dumb enough to make an extremely clear internal policy about not renting to black people. Just like arrogant idiots do.

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works in Trump’s favor, thank God!

Thank God that blind loyalty trumps desire for justice and moral leadership!

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The case that they have is weak, flimsy at best, proving that Trump committed a campaign finance fraud knowingly is going to prove to be an extremely challenging act for Mueller.

Perhaps that's the case but do you honestly believe that Trump did not ask Cohen to make the payment? Whether it can be proved or not is a different matter to whether he did it or not.

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The convicted Cohen can easily be dismissed as a liar or unreliable witness, BUT his credibility can just as easily be restored with corroborative evidence and testimony, even from a scumbag like Pecker who undeservedly dodged a doozy in the pen. And what about that big, fat, deodorized orange elephant in the room. As if anyone could believe a word uttered by that congenital master of mendacity with his Pinocchio-long list of lies, falsehoods, fabrications, duplicity, deceitfulness, dishonesty and fraudulence, a record of which stretches over decades. Desperate Trumplets should come clean and ask themselves who is to be believed: a convicted fixer, or the unindicted co-conspirator, the so-called "Individual-1" or "federal candidate" with a schnozz that cannot hide the truth.

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Narcissus J. Trumpnocchio continues to show his “selective amnesia” and “selective memory”. Throughout his adult life he has gotten away with it. He has fooled most of the people, most of the time.

Enough Donald the Menace.

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"Cohen's an admitted liar"

So Trump is telling the truth on this one! Can't have it both ways!

Trump did make a mistake in hiring him. No one's perfect. Moving foward - MAGA

Oh, any collusion yet?

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Trump did make a mistake in hiring him. No one's perfect. Moving foward - MAGA

Preach on! The saving grace is Trump realized his mistake so quickly and fired Cohen. HAR! Oh my . . . MAGMA/KAGEL 2020!

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Napolitano also said, proving Trump ordered Cohen is not an easy thing to do. Just because Cohen who as we know lied on numerous occasions has a credibility problem which works in Trump’s favor, thank God!

Trump has a credibility problem, and it's far worse than Cohen's.

There is nothing that works in Trump's favour other than being president and having presidential powers that allow him to get around the law in ways that no one else can, especially as someone ready to abuse presidential powers in ways that no one else has. What was it you said in a thread yesterday? That if his son-in-law Kushner were indicted, which he probably will be, he'd be "pardoned before supper".

So Trump, while president but only while president, has things that work strongly in his favour, all related to presidential powers. (Not having to testify in person is best of all, though it remains to be seen whether he blundered with the written responses to Mueller. With Trump, even with lawyers assisting him, that's possible.) At the same time, he is beset by legal problems that are only getting worse, and presidential powers may not be enough to save his presidency. His very poor understanding of the law as anything other than leverage to gain personal advantage and screw other people over won't help him either; he's a lawyer's nightmare which is why he's got one lawyer in prison and other lawyers who simply abandoned him.

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If Trump honestly believes he did not know about it, which he did and has contradicted himself a number of times on, preceding it with, "Even if I did -- it's not illegal" (until it's illegal, then returning to the "I didn't know"), then he is too stupid to have the roll as president.

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Well, as Mr. Nap said, "Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they actually have that hardcore evidence." I'll put my money on him, unless you are related to him.

Well, it still remains to be seen, now I personally take the word of law professor Alan Dershowitz: "Reasonable people can disagree about whether it's wrong to pay hush money to somebody to stop them from disclosing alleged improprieties sexually. Reasonable people can say that's wrong or that's right. It's not illegal," Dershowitz said.

He explained that a presidential candidate could give cash to an individual and explicitly state not only that the payment is to buy their silence about alleged improprieties, but also that it is specifically designed to help their campaign, and that still would not be a crime.

"Whether you think it's wrong or right, I don't understand the case for how it's illegal,"

Dershowitz said. "If you look at the very, very complicated campaign laws, the one thing that comes out simply is that a candidate may himself or herself contribute as much as they want to a campaign."

He warned against "criminalizing political sins," arguing that blurring the line between "wrong" and "crime" endangers the rule of law.

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The case that they have is weak, flimsy at best

Youre not a lawyer, and you don’t know what case they have.

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This is not rocket science. Cohen faced/was threatened with imprisonment for 25 - 30 years for his own crimes. And than given an offer to get off with only 3 years if he testified against the president. Of course he's lying here also.

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@serrano This is not rocket science either Trump lie counter is about 5000 at the moment....

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Cohen is a lawyer so he must have known the payments he was making were illegal. Whether Trump ordered him to make them, or not, he should have refused and resigned as Trump's attorney.

You can be sure no other lawyers will be making the same mistake after this.

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Dershowitz said. "If you look at the very, very complicated campaign laws, the one thing that comes out simply is that a candidate may himself or herself contribute as much as they want to a campaign."

So true. That means Trump is in the clear because he only directed Cohen to make the payments and reimbursed him instead of Trump doing it himself. Libs don't get that Cohen making the payments at the behest of Trunp is the same as Trump making the payments. ROFL!

He warned against "criminalizing political sins," arguing that blurring the line between "wrong" and "crime" endangers the rule of law.

Too right! When we wanted to criminalize Hillary for being wrong, it didn't endanger the rule of law because we love our country. HAR!

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So true. That means Trump is in the clear because he only directed Cohen to make the payments and reimbursed him instead of Trump doing it himself.

You and I don’t know that and besides, you can’t prove it. It’s his word against the Presidents.

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You and I don’t know that and besides, you can’t prove it. It’s his word against the Presidents.

Completely! It's not as if lawyers keep records of their meetings with clients! It's a convicted liars word against the word of someone who rarely speaks the truth. A complete slam dunk for Truthful Trump! Kudos! LOL! Smh.

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Cohen recorded all his conversations lets wait and see what comes out Mueller is no way done yet....so much for the so called witch hunt that Trumplets claim it to be....sure is plenty of fake witches being caught..

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Reminder: This is not under the purview of Mueller but the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. This is important as Mueller has no ability to prosecute, only to report. The latter, though, does, and the statute of limitations exceeds Trump's term. Trump's choices in 2020 seem increasingly to be reelection or jail.

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A lawyer works for his client. A lawyer does not have carte blanche to do whatever he feels like doing. A lawyer receives his instructions from his client. Common sense.

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Cohen is lying. The hush payments were not illegal. Hush payments are made all the time. If the payments were made from a political campaign fund and there is incontrovertible evidence, they would be violations. Violations result in fines. In other words, no jail time.

Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion and lying to Congress. The anti-Trumpers want you to believe that the hush money payments were a crime.

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bass4funkToday 12:38 pm JST

You and I don’t know that and besides, you can’t prove it. It’s his word against the Presidents.

And we should all take the word of Your Beloved President because he's always so scrupulously honest about absolutely everything and a peerless bastion of moral fibre, isn't he.

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Completely! It's not as if lawyers keep records of their meetings with clients!

Many don’t and it seems like from Cohen’s history of lying, he has dabbled and stretched the truth on more than a few occasions....

It's a convicted liars word against the word of someone who rarely speaks the truth.

That’s a matter of debate. Half of Washington is a lying smorgasbord.

Cohen is lying. The hush payments were not illegal. Hush payments are made all the time. If the payments were made from a political campaign fund and there is incontrovertible evidence, they would be violations. Violations result in fines. In other words, no jail time.

Precisely.

Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion and lying to Congress. The anti-Trumpers want you to believe that the hush money payments were a crime.

The Trump haters are setting themselves up for a big fall, now once the President is out of office, they can go after him which would be unfortunate, but as long as he’s in office, he would never be convicted or removed even if he were to be impeached.

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Serrano, my point is serious. Maybe Trump will not be impeached, and maybe he cannot be charged with crimes while in office. But once he's out of office, the latter is quite possible. This gives Trump a very large incentive to stay in office as long as possible, not for the good ofmthe country but to avoid justice. Can you not see how these dynamics work?

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Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion and lying to Congress. The anti-Trumpers want you to believe that the hush money payments were a crime

So true! It's not as if federal prosecutors have indicated the hush money payments were a crime. Any prosecutor that does suggest this is clearly a biased lib.

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The liberal media just love pushing anything they think get them some points against the Donald - We don't know what Cohen said to investigators he's proven to be a liar he could have said anything to save himself from a long jail term - the anti Trumpers have yet to actually point out what the Donald has done illegally.

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Completely! It's not as if lawyers keep records of their meetings with clients!

Many don’t and it seems like from Cohen’s history of lying, he has dabbled and stretched the truth on more than a few occasions....

If your only hope is "my attorney doesn't keep records", you know you're hosed...

It's a convicted liars word against the word of someone who rarely speaks the truth.

That’s a matter of debate. Half of Washington is a lying smorgasbord.

Docs, e-mails, hard drives....

Cohen is lying. The hush payments were not illegal. Hush payments are made all the time. If the payments were made from a political campaign fund and there is incontrovertible evidence, they would be violations. Violations result in fines. In other words, no jail time.

Precisely.

Trump U law grad... Fox News contributor Judge Napalitano disagrees with you...

https://www.gq.com/story/fox-and-friends-andrew-napolitano-michael-cohen

Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion and lying to Congress. The anti-Trumpers want you to believe that the hush money payments were a crime.

The Trump haters are setting themselves up for a big fall, now once the President is out of office, they can go after him which would be unfortunate, but as long as he’s in office, he would never be convicted or removed even if he were to be impeached.

Deep denial - when the Fox News talking legal heads say Trump is in deep do-do, you know things are bad...

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We don't know what Cohen said to investigators he's proven to be a liar he could have said anything to save himself from a long jail term - the anti Trumpers have yet to actually point out what the Donald has done illegally.

Amen. Us conservatives know that Mueller doesn't have any corroborating evidence to support Cohen's testimony. That's not how plea deals work. Prosecutors simply take the word of anyone that will help them get their guy.

Stupid anti-Trumpers constantly pointing to what Trump has done illegal. The biased MSM simply buries it.

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@serrano you have no idea what tapes Mueller has got nor does anyone else just have to wait and see...

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Convicted criminal. Tries to imply that “wrong” is the same as illegal. Seems to have all these tapes but none of Trunp telling him to commit crimes.

mueller didn’t turn over the original Flynn 302s as ordered. Seems they are “missing” along with the Page and Strzok texts. Mueller doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job.

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"Maybe Trump will not be impeached, and maybe he cannot be charged with crimes while in office. But once he's out of office, the latter is quite possible. This gives Trump a very large incentive to stay in office as long as possible"

As soon as Trump hands over the presidency to the next Republican president in 2025, he's going to get on a plane for Russia, Russia, Russia! Tee hee!

"@serrano you have no idea what tapes Mueller has got nor does anyone else just have to wait and see.."

Wait another 2 years? Nah, enough is enough.

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Mueller doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job.

Heh, the fact that you people HAAAAAAAATE him, even though he's on your team, shows he's doing a GREAT job! You know, that and all the convictions he's already gotten. Go Mueller!

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Wait another 2 years? Nah, enough is enough.

Then why doesn't Trump shut down the investigation? Weak. A strong leader would never have let it get this far.

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"Then why doesn't Trump shut down the investigation?"

If he did, you guys would be howling about it, lol.

Mueller doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job.

"Heh, the fact that you people HAAAAAAAATE him, even though he's on your team"

He ain't on the team that's getting things done for America. He's on the obstructionist team.

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If he did, you guys would be howling about it, lol.

We're already howling. So if that's the case, he should just shut it down. But he can't, because he's weak.

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He ain't on the team that's getting things done for America. He's on the obstructionist team.

I agree with you on both of those points. He's a Republican, and they aren't getting things done for America, they're the obstructionist team.

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He ain't on the team that's getting things done for America. He's on the obstructionist team.

Mueller, Democrats and most Americans are on the US team - Trump, his administration, and his cultists are on the Russian team...

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Convicted criminal.

Doing the dirty work for over ten years for the Great Orange Un-indicted Co-conspirator...

Tries to imply that “wrong” is the same as illegal.

Nope, it's illegal...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/andrew-napolitano-rips-trump-defense_us_5c12836ee4b0449012f7acb1

Seems to have all these tapes but none of Trunp telling him to commit crimes.

How do you know?

mueller didn’t turn over the original Flynn 302s as ordered. Seems they are “missing” along with the Page and Strzok texts. Mueller doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job.

Sure, and John Kennedy Jr is blogging from basement on the Deep State...

The desperation and denial is going nuclear...

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Cohen is lying. The hush payments were not illegal. Hush payments are made all the time. If the payments were made from a political campaign fund and there is incontrovertible evidence, they would be violations. Violations result in fines. In other words, no jail time.

Cohen pleaded guilty to tax evasion and lying to Congress. The anti-Trumpers want you to believe that the hush money payments were a crime.

You'll have to make this a bit simpler for me - Cohen was convicted of 2 counts of violating campaign financing laws. If what he did was illegal, how does this differ from the non-crimes that you identify?

And if he acted in concert with Trump, how is Trump not guilty of the same?

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"He's ( Mueller ) a Republican, and they aren't getting things done for America, they're the obstructionist team."

Mueller is a Republican in name only, and if the Republicans aren't getting things done for America, what's up with the booming economy?

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If he did, you guys would be howling about it, lol.

Serrano - are you suggesting that Trump is allowing the Mueller investigation to continue just to pacify Trump-hating liberals? That's very big of him.

But of course we would howl - if an elected head of state shut down or obstructed an investigation into himself, particularly one that relates to the very validity of his own election, then it would be highly concerning and a threat to constitutional basis of his office.

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Mueller is a Republican in name only

Um, no, he's a registered Republican. That is literally the definition of a Republican. Not figuratively, literally.

if the Republicans aren't getting things done for America, what's up with the booming economy?

It was booming in early 2008 as well. You people have such short memories.

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Said the same thing about Coney that’s hes a “registered Republican”. We saw how that turned out once he was done trying to frame Trump.

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Said the same thing about Coney that’s hes a “registered Republican”.

He is - has been a Republican longer than NY Democrat Trump....you know, the one that praised Hillary in 2010 and 2012...

http://time.com/3962799/donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

We saw how that turned out once he was done trying to frame Trump.

Trump, or more accurately Individual -1, framed himself - and it's all crashing down now...

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what's up with the booming economy?

irrelevant if there are crimes. Besides what is Trump going to do when there is a recession? Blame Hillary?

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Said the same thing about Coney that’s hes a “registered Republican”. We saw how that turned out once he was done trying to frame Trump.

Comey is as much of a Republican as Jim Webb is a Democrat. Lol

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the thing I enjoy most about it is, the Democrats can’t do jack about it,

Right and wrong, justice and injustice, it all comes down to what’s best for me and my team.

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Right and wrong, justice and injustice, it all comes down to what’s best for me and my team.

You took the words right out of my mouth, Democrats vs Trump, which side will win?

Hmmm.....

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Trump is a known liar and proven scammer. More of his people will be in jail before his term is done, and rightfully so.

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Trump is a known liar and proven scammer. More of his people will be in jail before his term is done, and rightfully so.

And the other side too, it would seem.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/14/tom-fitton-testifies-congress-allegations-pay-play-clinton-foundation

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And the other side too, it would seem.

Dirty libs are finally going down! Just after Trump, but finally!

HAAAAAAAR!

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which side will win?

Which side has more arrests?

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Trump is a known liar and proven scammer. More of his people will be in jail before his term is done, and rightfully so.

I wonder what the Vegas odds are on his kids.

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I though Michael Cohen must be very clever and very intelligent Lawyer but he wasn't. Michael Cohen was a sore loser, and he has lost all credibility that he has built it all his life. He admitted he was a liar and now he tries to correct it, but who will believe it now.

Will Judge trust, self-admitted liar as prosecutor's witness? Michael Cohen was a self-admitted liar. Muller is pushing Cohen into a corner and threatening with long prison term against Michael Cohen if he didn't cooperate with his investigation. Michael Cohen's statement cannot be trusted because he was fearing for possible long prison term and on the other hand, he was anguishing against Donald Trump.

Michael Cohen wasn't clever and intelligent person as what peoples thought and he was a weak and average lawyer. Now his profession was finished. He wasn't trustworthy person in the eyes of future business partners after all. Michael Cohen was used by Robert Muller and he will be dumped once the case was finished and also Michael Cohen was finished too. He was used by Robert Muller as Police's informer and his fate was nothing different from all Police's informer. I'm really sorry for his wife and children but not much for him. He has to write tell all book inside prison cell and support his family with money from book sell.

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Trump has now lasted 2 years probably a year more than he expected to. He must think it is all hilarious. Meanwhile him and his supporters are destroying the environment like a wrecking ball. He needs to be stopped right now for everybody’s good. Not sure how we stop Pence from continuing it all but at the very least Trump has to go. There is enough on him now with what Cohen has confessed to and what the AMI and National Enquirer have admitted, the audio tapes etc so impeachment and indictment actions should begin. He may even just give up when faced with the weight of it all.

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He must think it is all hilarious.

If he did, he wouldn't be throwing so many hissy fits.

I'm not sure how anything he has done could have you thinking that he thinks it's 'hilarious'. Sounds more like a desperate plea for him to think it's hilarious, more than anything.

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And the other side too, it would seem.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/12/14/tom-fitton-testifies-congress-allegations-pay-play-clinton-foundation

When all they can do is dodge the issue, and cite debunked conspiracy theories from Faux News, you know their desperation off the scale...

Six separate criminal investigations into the Trump Crime Family...

Trump is toast...

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"The charges in that case were brought by special counsel Robert Mueller's office and Mueller's prosecutors have said Cohen has provided key information in their investigation. Cohen has said he is continuing to cooperate with investigators in the Russia probe, which the president has repeatedly called a "witch hunt."

Uh, oh, bad news for the Mueller witch hunt - oh my...

The Justice Department's inspector general released a report seeing thousands of text messages exchanged between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page could not be recovered after Mueller's team wiped clean the phones that had issued them.

Mueller is toast.

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That's a tricky claim - it's never been clearly established that Trump is able to distinguish right from wrong, or that he even has a moral compass...

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Mueller is toast.

Oh my...

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Mueller is toast.

Oh my...

Right! haha. We even had some moron claiming the other day that Mueller was going to end up in jail. These people have moved beyond moronic ignorance to willful delusion.

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Mueller is toast.

Yes, toasted as a decorated Marine vet, a selfless civil servant, and a destroyer of organized crime...

The we have "Individual -1", who is a draft dodging coward, a swindler and chizzler, and cronie of many a NY crime family...and his own...

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Trump is nothing but a con man? I am shocked! Who could have known???

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Yes, toasted as a decorated Marine vet

Yes.

, a selfless civil servant, and a destroyer of organized crime...

No, the man is a pathetic hack and a joke.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/20/10-things-to-hate-about-robert-mueller/

The we have "Individual -1", who is a draft dodging coward, a swindler and chizzler, and cronie of many a NY crime family...and his own...

You just described Washington to a tee!

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No, the man is a pathetic hack and a joke.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/20/10-things-to-hate-about-robert-mueller/

Did you even read this article? It’s an incredibly pro-Mueller piece which sarcastically savages the blithering conspiracy theories of Trumpists. Next time you might want to read the things you post. If you can.

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Yes, I did.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conflicts-of-interest-and-ethics-robert-mueller-and_us_5936a148e4b033940169cdc8

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a selfless civil servant, and a destroyer of organized crime...

No, the man is a pathetic hack and a joke.

Your well known disrespect for war heroes, our military, and those protecting our nation, is well known...

The we have "Individual -1", who is a draft dodging coward, a swindler and chizzler, and cronie of many a NY crime family...and his own...

You just described Washington to a tee!

No, I just described "Individual -1" - you know, the person currently under six federal investigations?

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Your well known disrespect for war heroes, our military, and those protecting our nation, is well known...

Sorry, just because you’re a war hero doesn’t give the person the right or the license to NOT be criticized or scrutinized. They’re fallible me, not Gods.

No, I just described "Individual -1" - you know, the person currently under six federal investigations?

Yes, but that description really applies to the entire stew of what we call Washington.

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"Mueller is toast.

"Yes, toasted as a decorated Marine vet"

Doesn't excuse the current witch hunt.

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Sorry, just because you’re a war hero doesn’t give the person the right or the license to NOT be criticized or scrutinized. They’re fallible me, not Gods.

Says the guy supporting Individual -1, under six federal investigations....

Yes, but that description really applies to the entire stew of what we call Washington.

Nope, just to Individual -1, according to his own Justice Dept...

"Yes, toasted as a decorated Marine vet"

Doesn't excuse the current witch hunt.

With 37 witches indicted, and Individual -1 next...

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Says the guy supporting Individual -1, under six federal investigations....

Yes, in the US, we go by the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Nope, just to Individual -1, according to his own Justice Dept...

Been to Washington 7 times and every person liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican or libertarian, they all act to the description you just laid out.

With 37 witches indicted, and Individual -1 next.

And then what? Ok, indicted, but won’t be convicted or removed

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Yes, I did.

Then why did you link a pro-Mueller article as proof that Mueller is bad? Sloppy.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conflicts-of-interest-and-ethics-robert-mueller-and_us_5936a148e4b033940169cdc8

I thought the Huffington Post was far left propaganda? I can’t keep up with right wingers these days.

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Yes, in the US, we go by the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

LMFAO - how soon they forget - "Lock Her Up" - you know, that saying you agreed with by the guy that's about ready to be locked up...

Nope, just to Individual -1, according to his own Justice Dept...

Been to Washington 7 times and every person liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican or libertarian, they all act to the description you just laid out.

Only Individual -1 is named in the six investigations....maybe you can make it 8 and attend the impeachment hearings...

With 37 witches indicted, and Individual -1 next.

And then what? Ok, indicted, but won’t be convicted or removed

Hope and denial....

Trump-world is crashing and burning...

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I thought the Huffington Post was far left propaganda? I can’t keep up with right wingers these days.

Every dog finds a bone once in awhile.

LMFAO - how soon they forget - "Lock Her Up" - you know, that saying you agreed with by the guy that's about ready to be locked up...

Yes, but the guy won’t be locked, especially if that woman won’t get locked.

Only Individual -1 is named in the six investigations....maybe you can make it 8 and attend the impeachment hearings...

Yes, it will be fun to see the GOP tell the Democrats they would hold hearings or remove the President, I do want to see their faces drop. Lol

Hope and denial....

Then the Dems should just give up hoping for a removal. Anything less and the therapy they will need will add to the deficit.

Trump-world is crashing and burning...

Dunno, for a man in his early 70’s and to be bombarded by every Democrat, corrupt cops, a few has been failed Republicans, I think Trump is just getting ready for battle.

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Cohen's so shady you could hold a picnic under him.

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Every dog finds a bone once in awhile

You notice that the bone they found, in that article, is that Mueller is TOO close to the GOP, and did things that the Republican president told him to?

Seriously, you’d do much better if you actually read your sources, and not just the headlines.

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Oh, any collusion yet?

youll know when Mueller releases his report, Oh I say its going to be a long read.

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Cohen's so shady you could hold a picnic under him.

And he wasn Trump’s personal lawyer for years. Birds of a feather...

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And then what? Ok, indicted, but won’t be convicted or removed

wait and see how much evidence is stacked against Trump first, then the voters can decide who to remove come 2020, womans vote lost Trump the house, hasnt got much more wiggle room left to lose the senate or re-election.

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Cohen's so shady you could hold a picnic under him.

well that must make Trump a solar eclipse then

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You notice that the bone they found, in that article, is that Mueller is TOO close to the GOP, and did things that the Republican president told him to?

So he said, so like Giuliani said, proving that is a whole bowl of eggs.

Seriously, you’d do much better if you actually read your sources, and not just the headlines

And liberals would do better if they take a deep breath and not put all of their eggs in a basket because in the end, their whittle feelings is going to get hurt.

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And then what? Ok, indicted, but won’t be convicted or removed

wait and see how much evidence is stacked against Trump first, then the voters can decide who to remove come 2020,

There you go, that’s how you do it, finally some real common sense, but here is a small conundrum, given the fact that the economy is on steroids, record unemployment, record unemployment in the Black community, over 4% GDP lower corporate tax rate, the influx of new businesses as well as international businesses and investments, companies getting tax breaks, employees getting bonuses with all this in the economy, so far on the horizon there isn’t a single Democrat that can match that or will match that and as we all know once you give people a taste of something and you try to take it away (like money) you’re going to make a lot of people angry, so at this point, Trump as an incumbent is sure to sail through a second term.

womans vote lost Trump the house,

But “working” women and men as well as independents helped Trump keep the Senate.

hasnt got much more wiggle room left to lose the senate or re-election.

So now that Trump’s hand is strengthened he had a lot of wiggle room and now the appointment of judges will be even easier and by the way, if the Dems decide to play hard ball and not pass any of his agenda through the House, the Republicans will do the same in Senate and kill any whacky bills the Dems try to put forward. So now we will have gridlock.

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"Oh, any collusion yet?"

"youll know when Mueller releases his report, Oh I say its going to be a long read."

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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. . . here is a small conundrum, given the fact that the economy is on steroids, record unemployment, record unemployment in the Black community, over 4% GDP lower corporate tax rate, the influx of new businesses as well as international businesses and investments, companies getting tax breaks, employees getting bonuses with all this in the economy . . . *

What a fantasy! Yet, despite what you posted, the Republicans got their butts handed to them in the Midterms, so how do you explain that? After all, if everything has been so great and what you claim has been true, then why did they lose 40 seats in the House and barely held on to the Senate? Why did Democrats hold not only 7 contested governorships but flipped 7 more? (including the very red states of Kansas and Wisconsin). Why did the Democrats flip 337 state legislative seats? Also, how come the Democrats also took 7 statehouses (3 of where they control everything)? As far as the economy is concerned, its not on steroids. For the past year, it's had hemorrhoids.

. . .so far on the horizon there isn’t a single Democrat that can match that or will match that and as we all know once you give people a taste of something and you try to take it away (like money)*

False again given the results of the election and what is coming in 2019 when the new House gets seated. As far as taking things away, well, ask the Republicans how that worked out when they threatened to take away healthcare (something that the Democrats ran on).

Trump as an incumbent is sure to sail through a second term.

Delusional and not going to happen. He will most likely pull a Nixon or Agnew and resign once it becomes clear that his criminal activities have piled up to the point where not even his staunchest allies in the GOP will support him. Recall what the Republicans did to Nixon once they realized that they could no longer cover for that criminal. History will repeat itself, and no matter how many rants you want to post, you are not going to be able to stop it.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Should we wake you after he gets forced out of office or after he has rotted in jail?

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An interesting question whether Trump knew the hush payments were wrong or not. Any normal person would automatically know this, but when we are considering an extraordinarily low-wattage intellect like Trump's, it's hard to be sure. Like an 8-year-old boy, he genuinely seems to think that people believe whatever nonsense comes out of his mouth at any given moment. So maybe he told himself the payments were OK, and that's good enough for him. And his supporters.

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What a fantasy! Yet, despite what you posted, the Republicans got their butts handed to them in the Midterms, so how do you explain that?

But thanks to the President they were able to gain seats in the Senate which is a big plus and a deep sigh of relief. Now it’ll be easier, a lot easier to get through and confirm judges.

False again given the results of the election and what is coming in 2019 when the new House gets seated.

They won’t get a lot done because the Senate won’t sign any legislation from the Democrats if they think it’s a) disastrous for the country. b) they try to block any GOP legislation that will come through, which means, we will see a lot of gridlock, won’t help the Democrats especially if they put all their eggs in one basket (which they generally do) and focus solely on impeaching this President and with a stronger GOP Senate majority, they need to be able to pass some of their legislation through or they’re toast in 2 years.

As far as taking things away, well, ask the Republicans how that worked out when they threatened to take away healthcare (something that the Democrats ran on).

You can make the exact same argument about impeachment, ask the Republicans how that went for them.

Delusional and not going to happen.

I agree, so this notion that if Trump gets indicted and the GOP will remove is the joke of all jokes, even Pelosi knows a President Pence will be worse, because not only will he continue the Trump agenda, but he’s solid and religious unapologetic conservative. Good luck and personally, I hope the Dems overstretch themselves...they always do.

Should we wake you after he gets forced out of office or after he has rotted in jail?

Afer 2024 sure, wake me up.

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An interesting question whether Trump knew the hush payments were wrong or not.

If Trump was paying hush money to women he'd slept with (with accentuation on the word "if"), then ethically and morally, it's disgusting.

Legally, though, it's a non-issue if he was using his own money.

There's nothing illegal about one private party making a private payment to another party as part of a non-disclosure/confidentiality agreement. It happens all the time, especially with corporations and super-rich people who, because of their deep pockets, are often the targets of frivolous lawsuits and other shakedowns. It's often cheaper (even when one has done nothing wrong) to just pay them off than let it become a big drawn-out issue.

If Trump were a liberal Democrat, I'm sure most of the pre-election 2016 headlines on this story would have read something like, "Porn stars seek to shake Trump down for money and derail his campaign."

That's, of course, if it had even been a story at all. Had Trump been a Democrat, there's a good chance the story would have been buried.

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But thanks to the President they were able to gain seats in the Senate which is a big plus and a deep sigh of relief.

Actually, you can thank voter suppression and gerrymandering for those results, especially in North Dakota, Georgia, Florida, and North Carolina. Kindly explain how the Republicans got rewarded with 65% of the legislative seats in Wisconsin, but they only got 45% of the vote? Is that how democracy is supposed to work? However, despite all of their shenanigans, the GOP only picked up a grand total of two additional Senate seats, and they should have picked up more considering all of the seats that were up for grab were in states that Trump won by double-digits in 2016, so no, Trump had very little to do with it. The good news is, now that the Democrats are back in charge of many state legislatures, future voter suppression tactics will be a lot more difficult for the GOP to pull off. Also, in 2020, there will be a lot more vulnerable Republican Senate seats on the line, so enjoy your small majority while it lasts.

They won’t get a lot done because the Senate won’t sign any legislation from the Democrats if they think it’s a) disastrous for the country. b) they try to block any GOP legislation that will come through, which means, we will see a lot of gridlock, won’t help the Democrats especially if they put all their eggs in one basket (which they generally do) and focus solely on impeaching this President and with a stronger GOP Senate majority, they need to be able to pass some of their legislation through or they’re toast in 2 years.

Nope, all the Democrats have to do is continue to show that any gridlock will be on the shoulders of the obstructionist Republicans should they decide to block or mess around with legislation that the majority of the voters who put the Democrats in charge are expecting to pass. So, should the GOP decide to kill any more of the ACA or shut down the government (something that Trump has already said would be "on him" if it happens) then the GOP will be the toasty ones.

As far as taking things away, well, ask the Republicans how that worked out when they threatened to take away healthcare (something that the Democrats ran on).

You can make the exact same argument about impeachment, ask the Republicans how that went for them.

Not really since many people are very concerned about losing their healthcare or not being able to get any at all, so no it's not the same as a bungled impeachment attempt. However, should impeachment come up because of blatant misuses of power as well as hard evidence that the president and his minions committed high crimes and other offenses, it is not going to be the same as the last time when the Republicans tried to rid of a president over an affair with an intern. I'd wager that a lot of people are going to care if they learn that their president is a traitor, a criminal, and a mentally unstable individual who is grossly unfit for office and needs to be removed ASAP rather than trying to get rid of him because of his inappropriate extra curricular activities.

I agree, so this notion that if Trump gets indicted and the GOP will remove is the joke of all jokes . . .

No, the GOP will get punished in 2020 for refusing to perform their Constitutional duty should enough evidence get produced as to warrant impeachment and removal from office. Go back and see what happened to Nixon--and don't give me any of this nonsense that what Trump might be facing is not the same as Nixon because if you look at Nixon's articles of impeachment (obstruction of justice, abuse of power, etc.), you'll see that history is repeating itself.

Afer (sic) 2024 sure, wake me up.

You need to go back to civics class. The president only gets a four-year term, so you'd better be awake in 2020 because his term will be up. If you think it is a guarantee that he'll be re-elected, then I suggest that you take another look at the midterm results: The Democrats got 9 million more votes than the Republicans in the overall count, so clearly, they're not very happy with the current guy in charge.

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Actually, you can thank voter suppression and gerrymandering for those results

Both parties do it and if the Democrats get a chance they’ll do it as well.

Nope, all the Democrats have to do is continue to show that any gridlock will be on the shoulders of the obstructionist Republicans should they decide to block or mess around with legislation that the majority of the voters who put the Democrats in charge are expecting to pass. 

Both are in an equal position, sorry. There is no way the Dems will get anything through a Republican Senate if the Dems decide to play hardball. McConnell already stated he’s not going to play with the Democrats, either they come together and work on bipartisan issues or they’ll block each other.

Not really since many people are very concerned about losing their healthcare or not being able to get any at all, so no it's not the same as a bungled impeachment attempt.

But at the same time there are millions of people that think the government shouldn’t be involved in the healthcare business, this is another reason why the courts ruled that that crap was unconstitutional.

No, the GOP will get punished in 2020 for refusing to perform their Constitutional duty should enough evidence get produced as to warrant impeachment and removal from office.

I doubt it. The Democrats took their shot and missed, Trump has an over 80% favorable approval among Republicans, there is No way they’re going remove this President from office should he be indicted.

You need to go back to civics class.

Sadly, They don’t teach that anymore, the liberals got rid of it and replaced it with identity politics,

The president only gets a four-year term,

As an incumbent and a President who overhauled the tax code, brought back business investments, fracking, having a GDP over 4% putting more money into the economy, translating that into bonuses for corporations and to pass on the tax cuts for their employees, lowest black unemployment, lowest unemployment overall, business investments up, bottom line is, at this moment in time there is no Democrat that can offer any of this, the only thing that double offer is more income redistribution. Trump blew away 17 of the most powerful Washington establishment Republicans and if that’s any indication, he will stomp a mud hole in all of these Democrats that are trying to make a name for themselves. Good luck with that.

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Both parties do it.

No, both parties don’t do it. Name one piece of legislation or one instance of the Democrats engaging in voter suppression since the Voting Rights Act was enacted in the 1960s. In contrast, I can name quite a few examples of Republicans doing it and getting caught in the most recent election. Want some examples? Google Florida, Texas, Nevada, and Georgia for just a small taste of the shameful tactics they employed in order to put their finger on the election scales.  I won’t even get into the voter fraud case in North Carolina where the election results in one district still haven’t been certified because a Republican operative by the name of Leslie McCrae Dowless was caught “harvesting” and then throwing away absentee ballots from Democratic voters. As far as gerrymandering goes, take a look at what happened in Pennsylvania after a judge ruled that the districts needed to be redrawn. The GOP got hammered.

 McConnell already stated he’s not going to play with the Democrats . . .

This is nothing new. However, the American voters are no longer going to put up with his obstructionism.

But at the same time there are millions of people that think the government shouldn’t be involved in the healthcare business, this is another reason why the courts ruled that that crap was unconstitutional.

Nope, the courts did not rule “that crap was unconstitutional.”  Review the rulings by The Supreme Court in the 2012 “National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, “ as well as the 2015 decision where the court ruled 6-3 in favor of the ACA and its constitutionality.

Trump has an over 80% favorable approval among Republicans . . .

Who are in the minority. The Republicans just got defeated by 9 million votes (a record) overall in the most recent election, so your statistic is misleading.

As an incumbent and a President who overhauled the tax code

Which did nothing for the average person and only helped the .1%. I also find it interesting that many Republicans didn’t use it as an election issue in the last election. I wonder why.

brought back business investments

You mean like in what GM just did in Ohio?

having a GDP over 4% putting more money into the economy, translating that into bonuses for corporations and to pass on the tax cuts for their employees, lowest black unemployment, lowest unemployment overall, business investments up

So please explain why the Democrats gained 40 House seats, 337 state legislative seats, 7 governorships, and 7 statehouses if things are as rosy as you claim. Shouldn’t we all be running around barefoot through the fields playing pan flutes and singing songs of praise for all of the so-called accomplishments that you listed? Sorry, but the American voters aren’t buying it—they can’t afford to, especially after the stock market took yet another tumble today.

Finally, Trump’s legal woes will continue after the Democrats in the House take over next month. The convictions and guilty pleas of Flynn, Gates, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Cohen, and many others have demonstrated that this presidency is on very shaky ground. Any hopes of re-election in 2020 are getting bleaker and are only going to get worse as things drag on.

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the government shouldn’t be involved in the healthcare business

That's so funny because...

But I don’t use it, never have, so I wouldn’t know. I go on base.

(from the other thread)

On base? Are there private pay doctors there? They are not working for the government? Please do tell how this is not government healthcare?

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Is there a difference between feeling something is "wrong," and knowing that society at large knows that that something is wrong? Did he really believe that his actions were wrong? What I am geting at is that sociopaths typically know what society considers right and wrong, but do not themselves feel any constraints beyond a consideration for the consequences of getting caught. Being incapable of compassion and being unable to feel guilt go hand in hand, and his lack of empathy is legend.

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You gotta love this reality circus. Who need's TV shows when you got this.

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