U.S. considering China sanctions to deter action against Taiwan

The United States, backed by NATO allies, took a similar approach to Russia in January with a threat of unspecified sanctions but this failed to dissuade Russian President Vladimir Putin from launching his invasion of Ukraine.

The current administration gave a book of matches to a child, knowing it would light a fire, and now the US wants to throw a lit match onto a pile of gas-soaked kindle.

US considering China sanctions to deter action against Taiwan :

What inconsequential if not useless sanctions.

Ask not what would be the new sanctions.

Ask if any of the previous sanctions has achieved the expected goal.

Has there been any concrete assessment..?

Russia might have failed miserably in Ukraine, but they still managed to kill thousands destroy the country and make the whole region unsafe.

Not just this ^, they're now half way to Berlin with nukes to be stationed on Kaliningrad. They've also broken energy contracts, nationalised LNG projects, whilst facing the same set of sanctions.

So they've lost a few thousand conscripts, does Putin care? What matters to him is control of Russia's wealth, and he has more control than ever. Ukraine will loose its ability to extract fees for gas transit, its future exports will be highly problematic, even if it win the war.

That's not how international law works.

Putin has shown how international law works, the nation with the larger military and a warmongering leader can attempt to do what it wants, though it may provoke military responses from other nations while also risking nuclear war.

And I have read Putin backers claiming that their idol is getting richer through sanctions, thus they claim sanctions on Russia backfired, maybe Putin's pals Xi, Kim and the Ayatollah see this and want more for themselves and their fellow ruling caste barons.

lots of my fellow Americans,want to know this too why we are basing American troops away from their country

I prefer any fighting happening on the other side of an ocean, not in our country.

It is expensive, but also shows our allies a commitment between them and us.

Also, it helps when different allies train together as much as possible. Train how you intend to fight. This limits stupid mistakes when it really counts - during a war.

@GBR48

If you want to stop Russia, bump off Putin. If China attacks Taiwan, take out Xi and senior CCP figures.

Kind of naive to think that removing one political figure will miraculously solve all problems. Granted, sometines it can change the situation - but usually for the worse

That will create catastrophic levels of inflation, severe shortages across the board from tech to food, and the global economy will nosedive. No Western regime will survive the consequent harm to their economies. And most of the green tech that we are supposed to be transitioning to, will become a rare, luxury item.

If you want to stop Russia, bump off Putin. If China attacks Taiwan, take out Xi and senior CCP figures.

Every change of government, whether by democratic election, revolution or military coup, is considered equally legitimate under international law. A country's borders do not get reconstituted with every change of government, even if opposition rebels hold some territory.

Interesting take on reality. The ROC was the government of Taiwan and the mainland.

The PRC took over the mainland but not the island of Taiwan. ROC remain the only government of Taiwan and are the legitimate rulers of Taiwan. The borders of China were altered by the fact the PRC did not defeat ROC on Taiwan, but only on the mainland which they now govern.

PRC has never governed Taiwan and ROC never surrendered to the PRC. That they have governed their respective territories separately for over 70 years or in another way, for more than three generations, shows that the PRC has no rights to Taiwan. It wants that to be the case but it is not. No government believes China has the right to militarily take Taiwan by force, and they believe the choice is Taiwan peoples to determine their own future.

The CCP and its vocal supporters always fail to mention that critical fact when talking of what they say world governments believe.

Yes these type of actions show conclusively that it is the US who is hostile, irresponsible, snd provocative.

Ever hear of diplomacy?- This just leads to more hard feelings and misgivings. We got a of things to work on collectively for the sake of the planet and future generations. This type of attitude is the last thing we need.

After 1945, the US set itself up as the world policeman.

All that sanctions will do is to make it slightly uncomfortable for regular Chinese people and give the CCP proof that America is against them, even if it is just the CCP we are against.

Sanctions need to be tied to bullying actions, not possible future actions, unless there is a clear military buildup across the strait, pre-war, like Russia did. It will be too late by that point, unless Xi is removed from office and the next guy seeks a win-win outcome.

Don't people remember win-win outcomes?

The PRC is the successor state to the ROC and is overwhelmingly recognised as such by the international community. It assumed all debts and obligations of the previous Chinese government in 1949.

The ROC government is still the original first republic of China even as the current Taiwanese leadership no longer expresses any interest in ruling the mainland as the KMT long aspired to.

I would bet more than just a few beers that in the fullness of time, the ROC outlives the CCP and PRC. The ROC is a stable democracy while the PRC faces a mountain of problems the CCP is probably the least well equipped government to successfully address them.

China has produced 7nm semi conductor chips for export, so you should know sanctions NOT working well!

ROC is older than the CCP and ruled all of China. the CCP revolted and took the mainland but never declared it's independence. It is the CCP that needs to claim independence not the ROC.

That's not how international law works.

The PRC is the successor state to the ROC and is overwhelmingly recognised as such by the international community. It assumed all debts and obligations of the previous Chinese government in 1949.

Every change of government, whether by democratic election, revolution or military coup, is considered equally legitimate under international law. A country's borders do not get reconstituted with every change of government, even if opposition rebels hold some territory.

For example, when the Iraqi Ba'ath party was overthrown in 2003, Iraq's borders did not change to reflect only areas where the newly recognised government excercised actual control. The borders of Iraq remained exactly the same. It did not become a new nation, nor did it have to declare independence from the previous Iraqi state.

Global economy and politics don’t mix well.

Foreign trade and diplomacy require national leaders to make policy decisions. This is inherently and unavoidably political. Even in a hereditary absolute monarchy or a harsh dictatorship there are factions competing for the favor of the king/dictator and there is a political process. We see it clearly in the factional warfare of the CCP

One of the main drivers of the US inflation, beyond the housing bubble, is the 25% tariff imposed by Trump.

No, and they are not even a factor. The current bout of inflation is driven by shortages and those shortages are caused by the workplace and travel restrictions imposed by nations in response to a global pandemic that turned global supply chains upside down and inside out, followed by broad sanctions imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. US tariffs didn't shut major Chinese seaports for weeks on end or lock down their cities, forcing factories to close and disrupting merchant shipping globally. That was due to the pandemic. Those tariffs considerably pre-date the onslaught of the pandemic and the US before the pandemic was trying to fend off deflation. And obtw, I will say it here, we are going to see deflationary pressures again soon. The underlying causes of those deflationary pressures have not gone away but are for now temporarily masked by supply chain disruption driven price spikes. That is coming to an end as freight rates come down (they are, rapidly) and back-ups are cleared from ports.

Sanctions should not be placed on China at this point. ONLY if it takes military action against Taiwan

Considering the state of the world economy and inflation in the US, does it make sense to start poking a panda that produces so much of the consumer and industrial goods.

Go back and re-read the article.

*"Taiwan has not asked for anything specific, only for Europe to plan what actions it may take if China attacked, one source briefed on discussions said, and has asked Europe to warn China privately that it would face consequences."*

It looks more to me like a case of making China aware that while things are all well and good now, this is how bad it could get if you do the wrong thing and try to invade Taiwan. Perfectly reasonable thing to do. Notice Taiwan suggests the warnings be made in private.

Pre-emptive sanctions?

Considering the state of the world economy and inflation in the US, does it make sense to start poking a panda that produces so much of the consumer and industrial goods.

Global economy and politics don’t mix well. One of the main drivers of the US inflation, beyond the housing bubble, is the 25% tariff imposed by Trump.

And Taiwan (ROC) claims all of Mainland China. It's an internal affair until Taiwan declares independence.

ROC is older than the CCP and ruled all of China. the CCP revolted and took the mainland but never declared it's independence. It is the CCP that needs to claim independence not the ROC.

China claims Taiwan as its own territory.

My parents claimed Santa Claus was real. Many people and governments claim many things. Some are just plain fairy tales and myths. Like my parents claims, China's is nothing but fairy tales to tell children. Adults know better.

Sanctions should not be placed on China at this point. ONLY if it takes military action against Taiwan. Plan for it now is fine but putting sanctions on China now only gives them less to lose by attacking Taiwan as some sanctions are already being used.

Perhaps limited to when China makes incursions like the blockade after Pelosi's visit and for launching missiles over Taiwan. Short sanctions for a limited time to show there will be a tit for tat reply when China uses military intimidation.

China has earned the ire of Taiwan, the region and the free world with its continuing provocations and hostile acts towards Taiwan. There should be some push back for those aggression's. But punishment before the crime is ill conceived and not exactly fair, even to China.

This would be playing into China's hand by showing the West to be hostile and irresponsible. I do not like the CCP, I dont trust the CCP and I think they should disappear never to be seen again, however you wouldn't punish your child before they misbehave, so why consider doing it to anyone at all?

High time.

Russia might have failed miserably in Ukraine, but they still managed to kill thousands destroy the country and make the whole region unsafe.

China should not be allowed to do that!

Don't "consider" Just do it. With China's economy sliding south now is a good time to let the CCP know that invading Taiwan is not a good idea.

And Taiwan (ROC) claims all of Mainland China. It's an internal affair until Taiwan declares independence.

China claims Taiwan as its own territory

No external sanctions are needed. China is self-sanctioning its economy in accordance with its zero-covid nonsense. Most people suffer. PCR testers are only a winner and booming industry out there :)

China’s zero-covid industrial complex

https://www.economist.com/business/2022/05/14/chinas-zero-covid-industrial-complex

Suppose the U.S.A. claims an Island off her coast is part of American territory! But that Island considers itself an independent country with its own legitimate govenment and will defend itself should the U.S.A. attack to take by force! Will China actually send her top politicians to visit that Island to encourage it to fight the U.S.A. when it attacks ? And would China sell or present that Island powerful weapons worth billions of dollars to fight the U.S.A.? And would China threaten to fight U.S.A. when it attacks the Island?

The one and only answer to that question is :

China Minds Its Own Business.

Survival of the fittest,and only the strong survive,the first law of nature is self preservation, Redstorm you got first consideration in case of all out war

Biden got enough on his damn plate, especially if their a national train strike, besides Taiwan is not state

So unnamed sources say the US is considering possibly using some vague sanctions for something China might do. This is not much of a story.

business as usual.

USA lives in past and believes that can be "winner" by sanctions.

reality if very very different Joe...

This is becoming a joke now from U.S. and kinda childish...

For every thing that U.S. cannot control, looks like there is a unique response - "We will impose Sanctions"

Fun part is the general word "sanction" is vague and eventually turning out to be a risk, in which case the sanctions will be limited only to certain things (wouldn't serve the intended pressure).

So far, the impact of sanctions on North Korea, Russia (or China, if considered) were all void.

Sanctions for something that hasn't even happened yet? I'd say that's a questionable idea... Also, does anyone else have a feeling that this will backfire, with China thinking, 'We've been sanctioned already, so we have nothing to lose, might as well go ahead'?

Agree. This is not going to work to stop anything. It may make things worst like a restraining order does in some cases. This is like a preemptive strike. It may work with military action but on paper?

If such threats of sanctions buy Taiwan more time, then that’s a good thing, isn’t it?

This type of "deterrent" action has a long history, going back to Japan pre-Pearl Harbour. Likely it will just provoke a more extreme action from China.

Sheesh!! do these people never learn?

And watch the unintended consequences and harm that these will cause the US and EU economies.

I too am not a big CCP fan, but sactions for something they haven't done yet? How do you tell if it's working or not?

And if they do invade/blockade/ no-fly Taiwan, wouldn't we need something more, "spicey" than sanctions?

Yes, it is just a start, but one really hopes that what direct action against Taiwan entails for the CCP is being quietly but forcefully communicated to Beijing. And not just sanctions.

As much as I detest china, you know how well this is going to work already; right ?