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Fauci warns of 'suffering and death' if U.S. reopens too soon

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Dr Fauci’s advice has failed to prevent a viral outbreak in the White House and he doesn’t even know if he has been infected, so what credibility does he have now?

So you blame him for the people in the White House contracting the virus?

How ignorant people choose to be, and only look to point fingers and blame others.

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Fauci is just a scientist.  What would he know?  I'll listen to what Trump recommends.  Pass me the bleach would you?

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@oldman Reopen the world now..you can open yours but think id rather listen to the medical experts.

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Not so easy for many millions that will suffer due to job loss and income loss.

Not so easy for many millions suffering physically and financially from the virus, burying their kin, and paying even higher financial costs to deal with it.

No easy solution, but 'reopening the world now' could further worsen things. Except for the 'elite', including global leaders like Xi, Putin and Trump who'll get even richer.

18 ( +22 / -4 )

Easy for him to say. Not so easy for many millions that will suffer due to job loss and income loss.

Reopen the world now.

Easy for you to say. Not so easy for many millions that will become seriously ill or die.

Reopen the world when its safe.

18 ( +25 / -7 )

The US is like a lumbering dinosaur and won't use the Korean method or kits because it wasn't made in the US.

That is not so, it's the guy sitting in the White House that has problems with it, not the Gov in the states that need those tests and medical supplies.

17 ( +23 / -6 )

Testing.

South Korea created efficient, low cost test kits within two weeks and could produce 10,000 kits per week wand each kit can test 100 patients. That was enough to test one million patients each week, at a cost of under $20 per test with a process that mixes and completes the test automatically with robots.

They have months of supplies now in stock if needed.

The US is like a lumbering dinosaur and won't use the Korean method or kits because it wasn't made in the US.

Hubris before the fall.

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I'm going to listen to the guy with the M.D. after his name, and not the spray-tanned "genius" who thinks it's a good idea to clear the lungs of the virus by using household disinfectants...

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@backlabecan we get some other opinions of other medical experts?

Who's 'we'? I can go to Google (or Yandex if you prefer) and find any number of articles providing a full range of opinions.

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that Fauci and only Fauci determine when everything happens? 

Partisan extremists frame issues one pole or the other, no options in between. I have yet to read anywhere anyone say Fauci only determines. Stick with posting on Breitbart.

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@blacklabel exactly. A scientist. One of many...yes so will you kindly show us one that says opening up everything will not cause more death...thank you for you many links in advance polite enough for you there...

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Blacklabel...plenty of science articles that are from legit sources (not mass media) for you to read and eventually understand what this virus is. Go ahead, look at the Medrx preprint site which will show you how much is still unknown about this virus. Once you wrap your head around that, you'll see what is guiding Fauci and most other doctors, scientists, etc.

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Easy for you to say. You don't have kids going hungry or face the risk of homelessness for your family.

I do have kids and they will lose their home if I lose my job, which could happen, so no, it isn’t easy for me to say that.

Opening up prematurely isn’t going to save anybody’s job if they don’t get the bloody virus under control first, it will just lead to further shutdowns as new outbreaks emerge. For the sake of the economy too they need to do this right, rather than in an unplanned and rushed way.

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rolling-stone/

Overall, we rate Rolling Stone Left Biased based on strongly left leaning editorial positions and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing of information and a clean fact check record.

You left out the important part.

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yet top 7 articles cnn.com all about him and their joy that he contradicts the President on everything he says

Oh god, I hadn’t realized he contradicted the President on the science! No wonder you hate him, he probably played a role in deep sixing the brilliant idea to inject people with sunlight and disinfectant to cure the disease.

Yes, we should all be getting our scientific knowledge on this from those who stick strictly to praising the President’s random and idiotic musings.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

“I don’t think you’re the one person who gets to make a decision.

Fauci isn’t, and never has been, the one who gets to make these decisions. Trump is, and always has been.

Its sad that the search for a scapegoat by Trump apologists has now focused on the one guy doing his best to provide accurate scientific assessments.

Its not Fauci or the scientists’ fault that America has failed so spectacularly to deal with this. Its the blithering idiot in the White House whose incompetence and sheer abdication of his role as president who has led America to the abyss it is now in.

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exactly. A scientist. One of many.

There are many scientists, but this particular scientist has been appointed to a very specific role in the grounds of his qualification in this matter.

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The virus is spread by people not following the recommendations of experts such as Dr. Fauci. That's why there are pockets of people at the White House who are testing positive.

It's a house of people who think they above the laws of nature.

Look at the gun totting yahoos screaming about their freedoms who are ignoring the advice. They will eventually pay the price. I don't wish them ill will, or illness, but many will get sick, about 20% will get very sick and some will die.

I think it's wrong to mistake stupidity for freedom.

The freedom to get yourself sick will get other innocent people sick. How about their freedom to life and the pursuit of happiness? Look how one person in S. Korea infected over 50 people in one nightclub.

Dr. Fauci has done nothing but speak about the science and medical data. He has not strayed into the snakepit of politics that is invading the pandemic.

Rand Paul tried the tack today of trying to question Dr. Fauci's qualifications and influence, as if he's the only one who knows. That attack failed miserably.

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Let's see how those states like, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida and Kentucky are doing in about a month.

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@Blacklabel

Are you cherry-picking polls which show Trump at his highest again?

Let’s stick with the averages. It’s more honest.

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A couple of years ago, BuzzFeed asked a former White House official to explain the logic behind some bizarre Trump action. The official responded with one of the master quotes of the Trump era. President Trump, the official said, is not playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.”

Over Mother’s Day and then through Monday—and who knows, perhaps continuing today—Trump has fired off hundreds of rounds of weapons-grade lunacy on Twitter. When Trump does this kind of thing, many are ready with an explanation: He’s rallying his base; he’s distracting his critics; he’s challenging the existence of reality itself. But these explanations miss the point. Trump horribly and uniquely bungled the coronavirus crisis. The human result is mass death and Great Depression–scale unemployment. The political result is that while leaders in Britain and almost everywhere else in the democratic world have been boosted by a surge in public support and approval, Trump has not. The governors who have clashed with Trump have seen their poll numbers rise; New York Governor Andrew Cuomo may now be the most popular politician in the country. Governors who support Trump have seen their numbers tumble.

Trump trails Joe Biden in national polls by at least five points, as he has done all year. Trump is even lagging behind in swing-state polls. He is down by three points in Florida, five in North Carolina, and seven in Pennsylvania and Michigan. An internal Republican National Committee poll of the 16 least-decided states shows Trump behind in virtually all of them—so much so that he seems likely to drag the Republican Senate majority down with him, The Washington Post reported.

Trump’s psychology is defined by his terror of rejection. The most stinging insult in his vast vocabulary of disdain is loser. And yet every poll, every powerful Biden TV ad, forces Trump to contemplate that he is headed toward a historic humiliation. He’ll stand with Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover, the incumbents rejected because they failed to manage economic crises.

Trump failed to prevent the crisis. Out of envy and spite, he dismantled the pandemic-warning apparatus his predecessors had bequeathed him.

Trump failed to manage the crisis. At every turn, he gave priority to the short-term management of the stock market instead.

Trump failed to message the crisis. He not only lacks empathy; he despises empathy.

Angry, scared, and aggrieved by the lack of praise for his efforts, Trump turns for safety to television, where his two-dimensional friends explain how everything is everybody else’s fault. They tell him that he is right and all his critics are wrong. They promise that miracle drugs will—poof!—make all his troubles vanish without effort. Sean and Tucker and Laura and Jeanine and the Fox & Friends romper room tell him stories that hold the terror at bay. But those stories have drawn Trump into a twisting ghetto of craziness that is impenetrable to outsiders.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/trump-has-lost-plot/611548/

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Scientists have one thing to consider - binary healthy/not Healthy.

More partisan extremist framing: all or nothing. Another attempt to demonize Dr Fauci and glorify the right's political messiah Trump. Binary reasoning backatcha.

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Dr Fauci’s advice has failed to prevent a viral outbreak in the White House and he doesn’t even know if he has been infected, so what credibility does he have now?

This statement is completely wrong. Dr. Fauci is a physician and a scientist who studies infectious disease. He has publicly warned and created a guideline to open the country safely and his credibility is great. It's not his fault the United States is the worst hit country in the world, it's Trump's.

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Reading the Trump supporters here I see they share Rand Paul’s confusion. Fauci is not setting policy, not calling the shots. Dumpster is. Please follow the program.

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Great observation! The country will be asking another Democrat to repair all of Trump's and the GOP's damage again!

Objectively, that will be three failure presidencies in a row for the GOP. All three left the country in significantly worse state than the received it.

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If approval numbers were the primary factor to becoming President, Fauci and his 77% approval would be a shoo-in for President. why doesnt he run? he would win, easily.

There are several reasons, one of which is that the primaries for the major parties are already well advanced, and approval ratings notwithstanding, serious financial backing is required to become President of the United States.

The main reason, one assumes, is that Dr. Fauci doesn't want to be President.

Fauci is just a puppet for all the tech agencies and a mouthpiece for Bill Gates to force people into getting injectable tech (vaccine) that runs through their blood streams. 

Oh cool anti-vax conspiracy theories that get people killed are acceptable on Japan Today.

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If approval numbers were the primary factor to becoming President, Fauci and his 77% approval would be a shoo-in for President. why doesnt he run? he would win, easily.

Why would you think this statement has any sort of relevancy? Fauci is not a politician and has very probably no intention to run for office in his life. It just makes you look like you are extremely bitter that people vastly trust and like him and you don't, just because he dares to contradict Donald Trump and your fox-news-addled mind.

By the way, if Fauci is doing such a horrible job... Why doesn't Trump fire him?

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I was a bit befuddled by that one myself

Why, because it was written in legible English?

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Easy for for him to just play it super safe and stay home.

He's in self-quarantine because he might have been exposed to Covic-19 through his presence at the White House. Which is the responsible thing to do.

can we get some other opinions of other medical experts?

Sure you can. Why don't you go look for them?

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Easy for him to say. Not so easy for many millions that will suffer due to job loss and income loss.

Reopen the world now.

Easy for you to say reopen. It is hard for those who have lost their jobs or are suffering financially. We have to balance that against those that will die as the virus spreads.

Question for you - how many lives do you think is reasonable to sacrifice for the economy? Genuine question - governments make these cost benefit analysis decisions all the time. For example, is a million a reasonable sacrifice?

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Do you agree that it’s appropriate that Fauci and only Fauci determine when everything happens?

why is it when people say we must listen to the medical expertS they really mean just Fauci?

Of course, it isn't only Fauci, at all. Everywhere and anywhere, if you care to actually look for scientific information, internationally and nationally, as evidence that corroborates what Fauci is saying. I don't even know how this can be debated, people need to look at reality to argue a point, and not just make up ignorant narrative.

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As if we didn't already have "suffering and death."

I am concerned about the point he made when he said that things could get so bad that our institutions would not be able to cope. We have nearly reached that point already in some places.

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ok, he’s made a lot of mistakes, but he’s a doctor and he should never, ever, ever be questioned. Follow him blindly no matter what.

ok, he's made a lot of mistakes, but he's Trump and he should never, ever, ever be questioned. Follow him blindly no matter what.

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Regardless of party affiliation, those governors that didn't listen to trump has done a far better job than those that did!

Governors who rushed to reopen fare much worse than their more cautious peers in new state-by-state poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/governors-rushed-reopen-fare-much-115900403.html

Intelligent people know that this situation would have been handled a lot better by a more competent president!

Ex-GOP Strategist: If Obama Were President, 'This Would Not Have Happened’

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/steve-schmidt-barack-obama-donald-trump-coronavirus-092650433.html

5 ( +5 / -0 )

“God of medicine and anointed, he is not.”

No but Trump was sent by Jesus so he must have the answers. Watch that Clorox it has a kick.

5 ( +6 / -1 )

What screwup?

So Fauci is a screw up for not recommending masks in February. But Trump, who has among other things mused about injecting sunlight to cure the virus, assured everyone the cases would be down to zero in March, then that it would magically go away in April, and hyped a malaria drug that is totally ineffective as a treatment, oh and also in keeping with the spirit of these idiotic statements has done nothing to formulate an actual strategy at the Federal level for dealing with the pandemic even though this is something that obviously requires a coordinated response...this guy hasn't screwed anything up that you can think of?

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Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist,

Irony. He should try opening his eyes.

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Blacklabel:. I mean if we really want this one guy (and one guy only) to decide everything

You often present the other side's opinion with dishonest hyperbole.

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Blacklabel:. You and others always just attack and criticize what others say

Um, you just did a double post criticizing Whoopie Goldberg from The View.

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A lot of angry liberals with guns.

Er, no.

A few unhinged individuals on the right who are calling those Republicans weak, part of an attempt to pause democracy and so on.

The type of right wing hubris that delusional fellows would post online, in order to deflect and get conversation closed permanently.

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I’m worried a lot more by the Feds and corrupt liberals leaders that want to take away every right we have as free citizens.

Nobody is taking away your rights.

Please stop spreading falsehoods.

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calling the weak and trying to murder them are two different things.

It's an escalation of the rhetoric.

There's plenty of gun cultists out there who actually believe their freedom is in peril.

And then there's those who would rather spread the virus because that's their "right".

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But he’s been wrong on numerous occasions, a few months ago he said masks were ineffective, so like the sheep liberals tend to be,

A mask still will not prevent you getting infected, but will prevent you from infecting others.

A college education might help people understand what he meant.

Actually, he didn’t, Fauci gave a retort, but that’s it.

Oh he totally did, understanding subtlety is not a skill most of Donald's fans have, but Dr. Fauci calmly demolished Rand Paul.

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Did you say the same thing when Obama played golf and how do you feel that rich people can still eat and what about the poor people they shouldn’t be able to eat how they get fed who’s going to deliver the food how do we get groceries? Guess what? You can’t eat a stimulus check.

I hope someone gets their (socialist) stimulus check soon so they can take a basic English course...

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Like his father before him they are both the kind of politicians that we really need in this country.

Ron Paul wrote a racist newsletter for literally decades. It doesn't surprise me that Republicans think he's the sort of person we need.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul_newsletters

5 ( +5 / -0 )

because we will have another 20 Dem investigations and another impeachment. and yet another "martyr" with a book deal and a CNN gig. Would just allow the media to fill the news cycle to desperately distract from the agenda of the next 6 months.

When has that ever stopped Trump from taking (inane) decisions? Trump fans always praise him because "he doesn't care what people think" and always "does what is right thing".

So this is certainly not the correct reason. Do you have another? Why doesn't Trump fire Fauci, if he's, like you often say, is just a quack trying to make money of Remdivisir?

5 ( +5 / -0 )

That Fauci was wrong a lot.....

Proves my point, yet again.

you guys kept a Bush thing going for seven years

We try to be on topic and talk about Donald's failings.

Happened, which Rand Paul had every right to.

Sure , Rand Paul had every right to get slapped around!!

Glad we agree,

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Millions of people wouldn’t have died if China would have been forthcoming and more transparent

Millions?

Please link to this. It's certainly a scoop, but we require verification. Facts.

A lot of people have lied, distorted, made false prognosis of the situation

Only one telling people that it's going to disappear, that it wasn't a problem, that injecting bleach might be an idea.

5 ( +5 / -0 )

Failed China study...

Yeah, we already had that discussion. What you say seems to make sense until you actually look into it and think about it, then you realize it's, like most conspiracy theories, at best very far-fetched, and at worst pant-on-head-level insane. But tell us again : how did you make money off that news again? You claimed to have given everything to charity too. Which one is it? It is the NAACP?

5 ( +5 / -0 )

no vaccine this year: check

The vaccine was always said to be at least 18 months away from last february/march.

(sorry for double posting, mouse issues)

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The problem here is that there are two entirely separate debates going on here.

Fauci is trying to protect the people.

Trump is trying to protect his chances at getting re-elected.

People debating the scientific side are using logic, while people debating Trump's side are using politics.

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The Rolling Stone put out an excellent article on the failure of the white house on the virus response (yes yes, fake news, we get it righty extremists).

The Four Men Responsible For America’s COVID-19 Test Disaster

The White House’s inability to track the disease as it spread across the nation crippled the government’s response and led to the worst disaster this country has faced in nearly a century

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/covid-19-test-trump-admin-failed-disaster-995930/

4 ( +7 / -3 )

The shameless current occupant of the White House is all about the ongoing reelection campaign ... nothing else matters to him, period.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

Rolling stone magazine:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rolling-stone/

LEFT BIAS

And yet, such an expertly written article that no one can dispute the facts outlined in it.

Instead they label it so they don't have to address how it so clearly lays out the failure of the white house in this epidemic.

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Only Americans can politicize a virus, or the weather. Honestly, how dumb and misled can people get?

Well, they elected an incompetent and dishonest reality TV star president, and about 40% have stuck with him as his ineptitude has killed nearly a hundred thousand Americans and left over 30 million unemployed.

So very dumb and very misled, it would seem.

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Rand Paul can put Fauci on the spot being a doctor himself, I was happy to see another doctor question this guy.

Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist, not an epidemiologist. If he wants to give Fauci advice on contact lenses, then great. Otherwise...

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Ok so other than Fauci, who else should I be listening to? its not Birx anymore, she is out because she disagreed with the CDC.

I understand that 4 people spoke today, but only Fauci and his opinion was mentioned anywhere that I can easily see. (it might be out there, but every news site is just overwhelmed with Fauci, Fauci, Fauci)

How does this address the fact that you often present the other side's opinion with dishonest hyperbole?

4 ( +5 / -1 )

@Bass

Sorry, don’t make any excuses, that’s on you if you didn’t pay attention in school and understand that or know what bleach can do to you and to your body if you drink it, why would anybody called that in to verify that, stop making excuses for people.

If that is true then everything that you have said about these followers apply to the person who said it.

Thank you for admitting that trump doesn't have common sense. I am glad that you understand it.

Now share it with the rest of JT.

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@Black

Rand Paul is an ophthalmologist,

Rand Paul has another problem

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/11/08/rand-paul-has-another-problem/

In the spring of 2010 stories first swirled around Sen. Rand Paul’s certification as an ophthalmologist by an outfit called the “National Ophthalmology Board,” an entity he founded. This week I discovered that while he continues to present himself as “board certified” the NOB has been out of business since 2011, and in any event, does not under Kentucky law permit him to advertise as “board certified.”

It doesn't really help your case when you use a charlatan as a credible witness against a respected individual like Dr. Fauci!

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I must say, I'm impressed with the few Republican governors refuse to do it Trump's way.

Obviously, they run the risk of being voted out by the cultists and they might have to resorts to armed bodyguards, but fair play to them.

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I will definitely not be putting anything into my body that originates with Fauci or Bill Gates. ever.

Fauci is just a puppet for all the tech agencies and a mouthpiece for Bill Gates to force people into getting injectable tech (vaccine) that runs through their blood streams. 

Dr. Fauci has not been right about anything since before he brought the bogus Imperial College model that said COVID-19 would kill in excess of 220 million Americans to President Trump and advocated that he should use it to shut down our economy.

My, my; aren't our Trump supporting friends in a tither over Dr Fauci.

You know, the Dr Fauci they all praised and held up as a "real expert" and "the person we should all listen to" for the past three months....

Well, time for a flip-flip, about face, 180, U-turn - giving us another example of "The Art of Being a Hypocrite" ...

Whether its Mattis, Kelly, Cohn, Tillertson, or any other number of REPUBS, there is one law in Trump-world...

If you're competent and make Trump look like the Buffoon he is, you're the enemy...

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Not always necessarily.

It will unless you willfully infect others.

Smart people don’t make mistakes...at least that’s what they think

Smart people admit it when they make mistakes, and not try to cover them up with other mistakes. ROFL

He really didn’t. 

He really did, hint subtlety !!

4 ( +4 / -0 )

A greater percentage of black and Asian communities are being infected and dying than the white communities?

Poverty, lack of healthcare, racism, low paid, bad housing, underlining problems.

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Fauci is corrupt and has a history of exagerations during previous "pandemics".

80 thousand plus dead and still the war on science continues.

Sorry about your loss, families of America, but please be comforted by the news that it's merely an exaggeration.

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Why didnt he simply say "everyone needs to wear a mask", if he is the top expert?

Because at the beginning of the crisis, when it was not yet a full blown pandemic, it was, like you said, "likely best if you leave the masks for others who need them more than you". That is not only what Fauci recommended, but basically most medical professionals and most governements. Then the situation got much worse, and so the steps needed to prevent infection changed completely as well.

How do you go back and justify this from March 9th, knowing what we know now?

You question is in itself a logical fallacy. Why would anyone need to justify something said with knowledge up to March 9th with another thing said May 9th, two months later, with completely new knowledge and a new situation? Hindsight is 20/20, of course, but it makes for an extremely dishonest attempt at forming an argument. It would be like saying, "knowing what we know now, how could the captain of the Titanic justify casting off in the first place?"

Before you interject with things Trump has said : Trump has made false predictions ("the virus will go away like a miracle"), and what you posted is simple a statement on the situation at the time. This is a huge difference.

4 ( +5 / -1 )

Nothing firm or clear.

Because, unless dishonest politicians, science rarely deals in absolutes.

You still haven't answered the question : if Fauci is such a talentless hack, why doesn't Trump fire him? Oh and, why does he have a 77% approval rating?

4 ( +4 / -0 )

Many people could have told us these things, yet the expert couldnt until it was beyond obvious?

So now you are saying Trump should have never given any authority to Fauci because he was always a hack?

4 ( +4 / -0 )

or if the Chinese wouldn’t have lied to the medical officials, then the so called smart doctors like Barbot and Fauci wouldn’t have downplayed this virus.

Can we focus on your statement that millions have died, first?

I don't think such an important story should be left untouched.

I'm sure most here would agree.

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How dare you ask questions. Be silent and obey like a good lad.

Questions must always be asked, but those framed as binary are intended to limit discussion to one pole or the other, to ignore the complexity of issues and the many ways the issue can be understood. Which is what partisan extremists want.

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Weeks ago liberal media was claiming some of us want others to die “for the stock market” by discussing economic impacts.

Trump is willing to let people to die in desperation to ramp up the stock market because that was his one-trick pony to get re-elected.

You act as if something has changed.

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Steve Schmidt, who quit the GOP in 2018, saying it had become “fully the party of Trump,” warned that “no amount of gaslighting, delusion, fantasy happy talk” from the president would change the fact it will take years to recover from the pandemic.

Great observation! The country will be asking another Democrat to repair all of Trump's and the GOP's damage again!

3 ( +4 / -1 )

Objectively, that will be three failure presidencies in a row for the GOP

Why stop at three? Reagan's administration began the whole "trickle-down economics" fraud and its policies vastly broadened the wealth gap in America. People often forget that Reagan himself was a full-blown idiot. Miterrand, the french president at the time, famously declared after meeting him "This man has nothing but air in between his ears".

3 ( +3 / -0 )

Listen to Dr Fauci, the only voice in this administration that has any credibility on this (or most any other) issue.

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I agree, it certainly seems like quite a few Trump supporters lack common sense...

These will be dismissed as idiots who would have died anyway. To Republicans, anyone who follows the President's advice and dies, proving that the President is a danger to the American people, is guilty of making the President look bad and therefore deserving of death.

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Thank you for pointing out the majority of americans (50.7% total of all polls) still disapprove Trump's work.

thats guaranteed reelection numbers.

Certainly is for Trump supporters who just last week were saying "32% is more than half"....

MAGA-math...

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In a slip-up on “The View” Wednesday, Whoopi Goldberg suggested Jill Biden, who has a doctorate in education, be appointed surgeon general if her husband wins the 2020 presidential election, calling her a “hell of a doctor.”

For those of us who don't get the far-right talking point agenda daily, what conspiracy is this you're apparently theorizing upon here?

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It's only a pyrrhic victory if we return to the same draconian lockdown policies - so that's circular reasoning.

Its not circular reasoning, that is exactly what I am saying. Open up without a plan to prevent spread and you risk having to go back to the same draconian lockdown policies to get things back under control again. So to avoid the draconian lockdowns, which I am in full agreement are a bad thing and very harmful, we need planning and preparation so that outrbreaks can be controlled without the lockdowns. South Korea and Germany seem to be providing models for how that can be done. But the US isn't following their lead. Its not opening up because it has a plan, there plainly isn't one. Rather its just a knee jerk response that I don't think will work in the long term (maybe I'll be proven wrong and I hope I am, but it seems like a massive risk to be taking right now).

So many experts - why not listen to all of them? You are ignoring experts as well - just different experts.

At the end of the day, the experts have to be given attention based on the substantial merits of their arguments. I'm casting a pretty wide net in terms of what I am listening to, and I'm not really seeing a strong case being made in favor of opening up right now, either based on public health or economic arguments.

The public health argument is pretty clear: opening up will result in more cases and more deaths, though how many is a matter of speculation.

The economic arguments cut both ways, but I think those in favor of taking a cautious approach to re-opening have more merit. The economic argument in favor is basically that the extreme damage the lockdowns are causing exceed the health benefits of maintaining them and therefore they should be lifted as soon as possible (like now).

How do the experts explain that there has been no good evidence that lockdowns have even worked as intended? Why does New York have 20 or 100 times the cases and mortality than places with no lockdown? Spain, Italy... disastrous despite lockdowns.

What would that evidence consist of? Italy and Spain have turned their trajectories around after going into fairly strict lockdowns, and New York looks to be following the same path. Are you arguing that this would have happened without the lockdowns? Based on what we know about the disease and how it spreads, business as usual would almost certainly have led to much higher case totals and death tolls without such measures.

Sweden, Japan, Belarus, countless other countries that haven't collapsed.

They haven't "collapsed" but that doesn't mean that the US would have been well advised to follow their path. Sweden's death rate is about ten times higher than that of neighboring Norway and Finland which imposed lockdowns, so its suffered disproportionately as a result of the approach its taken. Conversely its economy hasn't been as badly hit, so there is a Faustian bargain they've struck which may or may not be worth it depending on your point of view, I'll give you that.

Japan? Yup, I'll admit to being fairly relieved that it hasn't been hard hit by this despite taking a relatively "light" approach. But its kind of a pointless comparison - whatever it is that is preventing Japan from having a massive outbreak (and I don't know what that is) obviously doesn't exist in the US, otherwise it wouldn't have millions of cases even with a lockdown. So while it works in japan with its various attributes, its not a model for the US to follow.

Belarus? How would one even know if that country had collapsed or not?

It's bad enough not answering the questions, but dishonest not to even ask them.

I've responded on point to every question you've asked, nothing dishonest about it.

A year from now, when many millions will be struggling to put food on the table, I wonder if you will have the same opinion.

And if lifting the lockdown backfires spectacularly I'm sure a year from now you'll have the same opinion that no matter what, nothing is Trump's fault.

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@Blacklabel

President Trump Job Approval

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Disapproval 50.7%

Approval 45%

Over 100,000 deaths by the end of the month.

Are you tired if winning yet?

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Rand Paul isnt a "real" doctor, supposedly. Just because he dared to question the all knowing Fauci.

Sorry, where was this claimed?

But at the same time Dr. Jill Biden is perfectly qualified in liberal world to be Surgeon General of the USA.

I don't think she is. Are you under the impression that Whoopi Goldberg is posting on Japan Today Dot Com and that you are arguing with her? I can assure you that you are not.

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calling the weak and trying to murder them are two different things.

Republicans literally held up signs that said "sacrifice the weak". You want people to die to make moneybags plutocrats like you a little bit more money.

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Speaking of predictions, everything Fauci says it seems we have to go back later and try to make his prediction fit what happened.

Not so long ago, Trump told us that the virus would miraculously go away. It would be gone by April.

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Libs have pink eye?

Proves my point!!

Lol, not the last President,

ROFL, still obsessed with the last one when the current one is driving the country to the ground.

No, that’s why Fauci was reared up off of his feet once again.

He did, hint subtlety !!

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Here's a lot of predictions and waffle that Trump said, leading to deaths of thousands of innocent American citizens.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-morning-joe-airs-damning-montage-of-trumps-rhetoric-as-coronavirus-death-toll-rose/

But of course, the gang would rather besmirch Fauci and the scientists trying to save you.

Far out.

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Reopen the world???... OK... Do the coffin dance !!..

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Dr. Fauci has proven to be one of the few sane voices in this mayhem of a government response to the virus.

His slap down of Rand Paul would have raised his esteem a few more notches , the only reason it didn't is because he is so high, he cannot go anymore higher.

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Sounds like Trump fans want scientists who are more in line with his reelection.

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So you are still getting paid. There is a fundamental difference between you and others (small business owners and employees who are not getting paid).

So are you still getting paid? If not, there is a fundamental difference between you and others, you know.

The small business owners and their employees probably don't want opening early to be a pyric victory that results in a new outbreak and new shutdown, causing them even more economic loss than if opening up was done in a planned way so as to avoid that.

But nah, you are right, lets just ignore the experts telling us this is a bad idea and instead follow the happy talk express's gut instinct on this, that has worked out so well for everyone so far.

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The binary questions seem almost entirely on the side of those supporting lockdowns and martial law.

Almost entirely? I see both sides making issues binary. The most extreme the gun toting 'live free or die' crowd.

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A Corona thorn in the side of Trump.

"“really serious” consequences of suffering, death and deeper economic damage if state and local officials lift stay-at-home orders too quickly, "

Trump pushes to reopen and no big leap in cases/deaths, he'll win. A big increase and he will lose. Second waves are already happening.

Trump main mental priority are the November elections and because of all the bad coverage he's getting, he's calling for a reorganising of his campaign. Biden 10 points ahead in the polls.

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The side-by-side comparison between Trump and Dr Fauci is really quite striking.

Fauci: Knowledgeable, confident, upbeat, and most importantly, extremely credible.

Trump: Obnoxious, uninformed, petulant, and most importantly, consistently untruthful.

Look at the Trump supporters posts for the past several months and they all said "Listen and trust Dr Fauci"...

Now, as he pushes back on Trump's obvious unsafe pleas to "open up", he gets the "Bolton" treatment...

Hero yesterday, scum today...the mantra of Trump-world...

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@Bass

I’m not giving him a pass on that one. He’s a man with an opinion, he’s not a doctor and you just roll your eyes and say, whatever, but if anyone has to call a hotline to verify if drinking bleach is a good thing to do, then something tells me you’re the one that has a serious problem with zero common sense.

You are claiming that the current president that looked up at the sun during an eclipse while everyone else wore protection has common sense?!

Who has less common sense the people who wanted to know could they trust the advice of the current president of the US during a public press conference about a serious pandemic, or the president that suggested during a public press conference about about serious pandemic that people might try ingesting bleach and inject themselves with sunlight?!

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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Thank you for pointing out the majority of americans (50.7% total of all polls) still disapprove Trump's work.

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I mean if we really want this one guy (and one guy only) to decide everything why dont we just elect him President?

Once again the Americans put forth a binary option. Either do everything Fauci says or nothing.

As if either of those would be options someone with the intelligence to see nuance would choose.

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thats guaranteed reelection numbers.

Not when he's losing hard in all the swing states it's not.

Remember, it's not who gets more votes, it's who wins the EC.

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Rand Paul isnt a "real" doctor

And what's Trump with his prescription of Mr. Clean? And how come he is no longer promoting the magic bullet Hydroxychloroquine as he claims it is 100% effective?

He won last time with a supposed unfavorable rate of 63%.

Look at the result. He can't even beat China in the CV war. TrumpCare is a disaster. Stock market is down.

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I didnt say it was more than half. I said thats reelection numbers.

True, the other main Trump supporter here did - you agree with him?

He won last time with a supposed unfavorable rate of 63%.

Well, add 80K Americans deaths (so far) and we know that number will go way up...

Let Fauci run for President, he has like 77% approval ratings, supposedly.

Nah, he's too competent and has never been on a reality TV show - Trump supporters want someone with similar background to Trump - like Kim Kardashian..

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In the spring of 2010 stories first swirled around Sen. Rand Paul’s certification as an ophthalmologist by an outfit called the “National Ophthalmology Board,” an entity he founded. This week I discovered that while he continues to present himself as “board certified” the NOB has been out of business since 2011, and in any event, does not under Kentucky law permit him to advertise as “board certified.”

Is there a term for stolen valor when it's doctors?

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The disapproval numbers support still reelection

Not when he's losing in every swing state they don't! Remember, it's not the number of people who vote for him (after all, the people hated him more than Hillary in the last election), it's the number of EC votes.

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I would recognize that he's probably read most the books behind him or even written many. Dwell on that before posting then you'll realize this isn't a discussion. USA will suffer.

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if that were the case then his poll numbers wouldn’t be nearly as high as they are.

Heh, not in the swing states they aren't! You obviously haven't looked at the numbers. He's losing in them all, and with the exception of one, it's not even within the margin of error like it was with Hillary.

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But we were here before, she’ll never be president, the Billy Bush tapes will get him, Stormy will get him, Michael Avenatti will get him, Cohen will get him, he’s going to be arrested by Mueller, he’s going to be impeached, he’ll be marched out and drummed to the gallows. Yes, Strange, we heard it all. Clap, clap. ROFL!

And we've heard all the misinformation, deflecting, falsehoods, obfuscation and gas lighting from the far right for years.

The fact that the same nonsense is trotted our again, with the telltale nervous tic speaks volumes of the desperation of the Trump following.

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Of course, the same misleading and mischievous rhetoric will continue to be encouraged by old pals in the media, despite the sell by date on such guff having long passed.

Be wary of hyper rich folk with friends in the media who try to sell you snake oil and disinfectant.

That can refer to politicians or right wing media types.

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The world is not safe to do business. Did you know that many people have actually died from CoronaVirus? Its true! So, having said that, keep the world closed until this killer of humans is rid of. Job loss? Well, better than life loss. Am I right or am I right?

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The world is not safe to do business. Did you know that many people have actually died from CoronaVirus? Its true! So, having said that, keep the world closed until this killer of humans is rid of. Job loss? Well, better than life loss. Am I right or am I right?

No need to YELL! Makes what you say sound like it's a kid talking! It's not a black and white issue, it's not all or nothing, and I wish people would quite talking about this like there are absolutes, there arent.

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Reopen or not .... that's the question you should ask China :P

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no vaccine this year: check

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Of course not, he’s the gifted one, so nothing could happen, ever, never, ever, ever. Lol

I mean, he's just a lot smarter and better at leading than Trump.

Your attacks on Obama and defenses of Trump are wilting considerably, of late, as it inevitably would have because defending a liar and idiot catches up. I'm sure he hates the coronavirus, but reasons different than most of us, it's proving him to be the worst president, ever.

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a few months ago he said masks were ineffective

He never said that. He (and all other specialists) said at the time (before the situation was as dire as it is today) that wearing a mask was not necessary if you had no symptoms, because healthy people buying and using masks would take them away from people who really needed them (and the stocks weren't unlimited).

Fauci has never said masks were "ineffective". This is a complete lie.

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I’m not giving him a pass on that one. He’s a man with an opinion, he’s not a doctor and you just roll your eyes and say, whatever, but if anyone has to call a hotline to verify if drinking bleach is a good thing to do, then something tells me you’re the one that has a serious problem with zero common sense.

I agree, it certainly seems like quite a few Trump supporters lack common sense...

Accidental poisonings as a result of Americans mistakenly ingesting bleach or other household cleaners spiked over March and April, nearly doubling as President Trump suggested the chemicals could be useful in fighting coronavirus infections.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/497312-accidental-poisonings-from-bleach-and-other-disinfectants-spiked-amid

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A report from China tells that a 70-year-old patient in Harbin had tested negative seven times before results turned positive.

That means there‘s something still unknown about it to doctors and medical researchers. Under such circumstances, Isn't lifting of lockdown over cities too hasty and dangerous?

Dr. Fauci seems to endorse this opinion of mine.

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expat, well written

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Rand Paul used to have a spine once.

Its distressing to see what has happened to him.

The things people will do just to keep a job!!!!

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Only an expert without a team of lawyers.

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Keeping things closed also causes suffering and death.

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Maine was not a Confederate state. I've been to Maine many times during childhood as the summer camp I went to was in northern Maine and NEVER saw a confederate there or anywhere in New England.

Really? Then I suggest you stop by and see Rand Paul for an eye exam. Here's one - there are many others....

The other day in Eastport I saw another lobster boat fly the Confederate flag along with three others that sported blue “TRUMP: Make America Great Again” flags. 

https://bangordailynews.com/2018/08/16/opinion/letters/friday-aug-17-2018-collins-no-moderate-america-headed-in-wrong-direction-racial-hatred/

One more...

Marc Pelletier has flown both American and Confederate flags for years on his tractor and truck. He says he does it because he's an American, not a racist.

https://wgme.com/news/local/mainer-explains-why-he-wants-to-fly-confederate-flag

You might not want to let the keyboard get ahead of your cognitive ability.

And you may want to follow your own advice...

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Do you agree that it’s appropriate that Fauci and only Fauci determine when everything happens? Work, school, travel, everything? We have heard from him for months isn’t there anyone else qualified to speak with a more positive outlook?

How dare you ask questions. Be silent and obey like a good lad.

-1 ( +8 / -9 )

Only Americans can politicize a virus, or the weather. Honestly, how dumb and misled can people get?

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Questions must always be asked, but those framed as binary are intended to limit discussion to one pole or the other, to ignore the complexity of issues and the many ways the issue can be understood. Which is what partisan extremists want.

Absolutely agree, which is why I dismiss questions such as "do you value money more than human lives?" The binary questions seem almost entirely on the side of those supporting lockdowns and martial law. I wouldn't call them partisan extremists so much as fearful people who have been manipulated.

Dr. Fauci's advice is fine as far as medical advice goes. But his recommendations go well beyond his sphere of knowledge and into social governance and macro-economics.

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So are you still getting paid? If not, there is a fundamental difference between you and others, you know.

My business is taking a big hit to keep you safe. No thanks needed, though - you are welcome.

The small business owners and their employees probably don't want opening early to be a pyric victory that results in a new outbreak and new shutdown

It's only a pyrrhic victory if we return to the same draconian lockdown policies - so that's circular reasoning.

But nah, you are right, lets just ignore the experts telling us this is a bad idea and instead follow the happy talk express's gut instinct on this, that has worked out so well for everyone so far.

So many experts - why not listen to all of them? You are ignoring experts as well - just different experts. How do the experts explain that there has been no good evidence that lockdowns have even worked as intended? Why does New York have 20 or 100 times the cases and mortality than places with no lockdown? Spain, Italy... disastrous despite lockdowns. Sweden, Japan, Belarus, countless other countries that haven't collapsed. It's bad enough not answering the questions, but dishonest not to even ask them. A year from now, when many millions will be struggling to put food on the table, I wonder if you will have the same opinion.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

@kurisupisu

Dr Fauci couldn’t even be bothered to wear a mask at his briefings-why not?

Surely, he should be leading by example?

Simple!

CEOs Were Asked by WH to Remove Masks Before Meeting With Mike Pence in Iowa

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/ceo-iowa-asked-remove-masks-mike-pence.html

The incompetent and dangerous current administration won't allow others to wear masks around them for propaganda.

A Pennsylvania mask factory scrapped a visit from Trump because it worried the event could spread the coronavirus

https://www.businessinsider.com/mask-factory-cancels-trump-visit-over-coronavirus-spread-concerns-2020-5

Luckily, not everyone is as incompetent as the current administration.

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I do have kids and they will lose their home if I lose my job, which could happen, so no, it isn’t easy for me to say that.

So you are still getting paid. There is a fundamental difference between you and others (small business owners and employees who are not getting paid).

Question for you - how many lives do you think is reasonable to sacrifice for the economy?

This is the poorly phrased and leading question that I see every day. "Lives of real people" that elicit emotion vs the dispassionate and abstract "economy." I could rephrase it to say "a tiny increase in the already existing death rate" vs "widespread hunger, suffering and death from suicide or poverty."

The problem in the developed world is that too many people have never known what it is to live in a broken economy, and the despair and destruction to the soul that brings. And, on the other hand, too many people have an emotional and irrational reaction to some kinds of death.

This is not the Black Plague, where we will see 30% of the population die. The death rate will increase by a fraction of a percent over the usual, mostly people who are already old and ill. Covid-19 will kill far fewer people than processed foods, alcohol, drugs or cigarettes - all of which remain popular consumer items. This is not to dismiss the victims, but to make the point that destroying the livelihoods and 100s of millions of people, especially harming children, is an insane overreaction.

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"Trump is willing to let people to die in desperation to ramp up the stock market because that was his one-trick pony to get re-elected. You act as if something has changed." What an embarrassing statement to make.

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Not in the least. The disapproval numbers support still reelection and are well above what could be expected after taking all the best shots of the Dems. This is after Russia, Ukraine, Impeachment and a worldwide pandemic that he had no control over.

Took all the best shots and still standing. next 6 months is our turn to show the people what actually happened, not what the media and Dems claimed happened.

As far as the death count, that has no relationship to Trump any more than it does to any other leader of any other country. As he said yesterday, ask China about that.

Disapproval 50.7%

Approval 45%

Over 100,000 deaths by the end of the month.

Are you tired if winning yet?

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So when that 18 month vaccine proves 35% effective to a mutating virus every year like the flu today), then what? We shut down the world for 6 months a year? What is the long term plan, hope?

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There is already a lot of suffering and death happening. Shelter the weak, let the strong go out, preach common sense and we will adapt like we did with SARS, AIDS and ever other disease/virus we have encountered in the last 100years. Of course this means so groups with agendas might have to give up their power and that could be the real problem...

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Weeks ago liberal media was claiming some of us want others to die “for the stock market” by discussing economic impacts.

now the narrative changes yet again.

Los Angeles Times

@latimes May 11

The economic devastation the pandemic wreaks on the ultra-poor could ultimately kill more people than the virus itself.?

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Fauci warns of 'suffering and death' if U.S. reopens too soon

Fauci is just a puppet for all the tech agencies and a mouthpiece for Bill Gates to force people into getting injectable tech (vaccine) that runs through their blood streams. By the way Bill Gates is not a doctor, not even close. We are slowly losing our freedoms. Speak up now or cry later. We have the power to change our destiny if we choose.

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It will unless you willfully infect others.

Libs have pink eye?

Smart people admit it when they make mistakes, and not try to cover them up with other mistakes. ROFL

Lol, not the last President, so if he doesn’t have to admit to anything, then neither does this one

He really did,

No, that’s why Fauci was reared up off of his feet once again.

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How do you go back and justify this from March 9th, knowing what we know now? Now he gets in front of Congress and implies even children are at risk?

I was a bit befuddled by that one myself

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Dr. Anthony Fauci: Trump's desire to reopen the country by Easter is an 'aspirational projection'

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As to the "how many lives matter?" question; clearly the annual flu deaths give you a starting point. Not my opinion, but the world's since we don't close the world down for the flu every year.

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Regardless of party affiliation, those governors that didn't listen to trump has done a far better job than those that did!

And it seems like those States are screaming the loudest to end the lockdown, interesting.

Ex-GOP Strategist: If Obama Were President, 'This Would Not Have Happened’

Of course not, he’s the gifted one, so nothing could happen, ever, never, ever, ever. Lol

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You are claiming that the current president that looked up at the sun during an eclipse while everyone else wore protection has common sense?! 

What?

Who has less common sense the people who wanted to know could they trust the advice of the current president of the US during a public press conference about a serious pandemic,

Sorry, don’t make any excuses, that’s on you if you didn’t pay attention in school and understand that or know what bleach can do to you and to your body if you drink it, why would anybody called that in to verify that, stop making excuses for people.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Well, add 80K Americans deaths (so far) and we know that number will go way up...

And the longer the people stay in their homes the more people be infected, way to go governors.

Nah, he's too competent and has never been on a reality TV show

But Fauci’s starting to become a show.

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Over 100,000 deaths by the end of the month.

Hope Congress gets that check from China.

Are you tired if winning yet?

We won’t if the country remains closed.

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A mask still will not prevent you getting infected, but will prevent you from infecting others.

Not always necessarily.

A college education might help people understand what he meant.

If that’s true then why did so many people feel when they rolled out the ACA? Smart people don’t make mistakes...at least that’s what they think. Lol

Oh he totally did, understanding subtlety is not a skill most of Donald's fans have, but Dr. Fauci calmly demolished Rand Paul.

He really didn’t. Paul had every right to put his feet at the fire and he is correct when he said he is not the God of all gods when it comes to medicine and I deeply applaud him for that and I hope he pushes on him again like that. Like his father before him they are both the kind of politicians that we really need in this country.

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they already made the money on Gilead. during the time frame that I told you and correctly predicted. thats over.

Speaking of predictions, everything Fauci says it seems we have to go back later and try to make his prediction fit what happened.

He didnt say masks were "ineffective", but he said they arent 100% effective either. So looking back now, you can say that he didnt say not to wear a mask (if you had one), but its probably wasnt necessary and likely best if you leave the masks for others who need them more than you. Is this really helpful, clear advice from our top expert?

Why didnt he simply say "everyone needs to wear a mask", if he is the top expert? Congress testimony the same. A bunch of could and might and possibly. He doesnt really know much more than anyone else does, in my opinion.

He is quick to have an opinion after the fact of what should have been done. Yet, he didnt tell us to do it.

Why doesn't Trump fire Fauci, if he's, like you often say, is just a quack trying to make money of Remdivisir?

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

When has that ever stopped Trump from taking (inane) decisions? Trump fans always praise him because "he doesn't care what people think" and always "does what is right thing". 

Not always, but most of the time.

So this is certainly not the correct reason.

No, it is.

Why doesn't Trump fire Fauci

Why does he have to? He serves at the pleasure of the president, and they have their disagreements, but they do get along, so why should he fire him, strange question. Lol

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

"Speaking at a White House press conference tonight to provide updates on the COVID-19 Coronavirus situation, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), told reporters if you are healthy, there is no reason to eschew cruise vacations."

“If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship.” But the fact is that if you have…an individual who has an underlying condition, particularly an elderly person who has an underlying condition, I would recommend strongly that they do not go on a cruise ship.”

Anthony Fauci, Director of NIAID

How do you go back and justify this from March 9th, knowing what we know now? Now he gets in front of Congress and implies even children are at risk?

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Proves my point!!

That explains Pelosi’s problem

ROFL, still obsessed with the last one

You guys with the current..

He did, hint subtlety,

Impossible.

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Here's a lot of predictions and waffle that Trump said, leading to deaths of thousands of innocent American citizens.

A lot of people wouldn’t have died if China would have been transparent.

But of course, the gang would rather besmirch Fauci

No one is besmirching Fauci, he is just a man and a man who has made mistakes.

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Failed China study, Gilead stock down so much trading halts. 6 days to Q1 investor meeting.

New "successful" Gilead study few days later, lauded by Fauci. Stock back up every day until investor meeting. Investor meeting held, everyone cashes out. cha-ching! thanks Fauci.

stock down next day, never goes back up to where it was. Study halted. stock down even more.

"Inside the NIH’s controversial decision to stop its big remdesivir study"

https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/11/inside-the-nihs-controversial-decision-to-stop-its-big-remdesivir-study/

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

looking back to his previous statements, it appears so.

None of them were totally correct, but some of them can be massaged into being "not wrong" if I try. (Didnt say mask is "ineffective", but didnt say to wear one and specifically said its not 100% "effective"). Thats not right, but I could say its also not wrong.

Thats not good enough for a "top expert" who is given this much credibility by the media to the point that his "disapproval" alone can supposedly justify to stop the entire country from reopening.

So now you are saying Trump should have never given any authority to Fauci because he was always a hack?

-5 ( +0 / -5 )

Easy for you to say. Not so easy for many millions that will become seriously ill or die.

Reopen the world when its safe.

Easy for you to say. You don't have kids going hungry or face the risk of homelessness for your family.

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Dr Fauci couldn’t even be bothered to wear a mask at his briefings-why not?

Surely, he should be leading by example?

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I mean if we really want this one guy (and one guy only) to decide everything why dont we just elect him President? The media dropped Birx like a bad habit once she told us the CDC numbers might not be accurate.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Monday the government is “starting to reexamine the possibility” that everyone should wear masks, but that still might not prevent infections.

“There is some rationale that the person in the street, who may not know they’re infected, could actually prevent the spread to other people by wearing masks,” Fauci said. “This hasn’t been proven. We know the masks aren’t 100% effective. People might think, and get under the impression that if they wear a mask they’re completely protected, and they’re not.”

https://wlos.com/news/nation-world/amid-growing-criticism-officials-consider-revising-guidance-on-wearing-masks

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thats guaranteed reelection numbers.

Thank you for pointing out the majority of americans (50.7% total of all polls) still disapprove Trump's work.

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In a slip-up on “The View” Wednesday, Whoopi Goldberg suggested Jill Biden, who has a doctorate in education, be appointed surgeon general if her husband wins the 2020 presidential election, calling her a “hell of a doctor.”

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I didnt say it was more than half. I said thats reelection numbers.

He won last time with a supposed unfavorable rate of 63%.

Let Fauci run for President, he has like 77% approval ratings, supposedly.

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Yet the actual data from today says 50.7% disapproval, and decreasing. But ok, guess you can keep hoping.

Well, add 80K Americans deaths (so far) and we know that number will go way up...

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Ok so other than Fauci, who else should I be listening to? its not Birx anymore, she is out because she disagreed with the CDC.

I understand that 4 people spoke today, but only Fauci and his opinion was mentioned anywhere that I can easily see. (it might be out there, but every news site is just overwhelmed with Fauci, Fauci, Fauci)

You often present the other side's opinion with dishonest hyperbole.

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Then tell me your opinion. You and others always just attack and criticize what others say without offering your own opinion. You are the self proclaimed hypocrisy and lying police or whatever you and your bud were claim.

So who else should I be listening to outside of Fauci, and why do you feel he and they are correct in their advice? How do you explain that the majority of new cases in NY are from people who stayed at home?

How does this address the fact that you often present the other side's opinion with dishonest hyperbole?

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Dr. Fauci has not been right about anything since before he brought the bogus Imperial College model that said COVID-19 would kill in excess of 220 million Americans to President Trump and advocated that he should use it to shut down our economy. Then, he doubled down by backing another wildly unreliable model from the U of Wash.

Now, he said today that schools should not reopen until a vaccine is discover. Time for President Trump to walk the doctor back to his office, thank him for his service and tell him to get back to work on finding a cure for the HIV virus; the job he was originally hired to do back in the Reagan administration.

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I must say, I'm impressed with the few Republican governors refuse to do it Trump's way.

I am even more impressed with the few liberal governors the praise Trump for handling this well.

Obviously, they run the risk of being voted out by the cultists

No, do you only thing that could happen why they would be rolled out voted out would be if they don’t support reopening of the state.

and they might have to resorts to armed bodyguards, but fair play to them.

A lot of angry liberals with guns.

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Republicans literally held up signs that said "sacrifice the weak". You want people to die to make moneybags plutocrats like you a little bit more money.

Did you say the same thing when Obama played golf and how do you feel that rich people can still eat and what about the poor people they shouldn’t be able to eat how they get fed who’s going to deliver the food how do we get groceries? Guess what? You can’t eat a stimulus check.

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Proves my point yet again!!

That Fauci was wrong a lot.....

We live in the present , ROFL

you guys kept a Bush thing going for seven years

Impossible.

Happened, which Rand Paul had every right to.

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Proves my point, yet again.

That China was dishonest one? Of course they were.

it’s amazing you want to give Chinese credit for being dishonest, that’s hilarious.

Sure , Rand Paul had every right to get slapped around!!

He couldn’t have gotten slapped around, because if he would’ve gotten slapped around then he would’ve been able to see what he had said, but since he has no fear or need to be afraid of him, he was exactly right when he said Dr. Fauci is not the the Alpha and the Omega and he is not he God he proclaims to be sometimes. I’m good on him for telling him and reminding him who he is and he doesn’t speak for the American public, we do as we please, we can hear his advice but we don’t have to follow it

Glad we agree,

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To a hammer, everything is a nail. Scientists have one thing to consider - binary healthy/not Healthy.

Ultimately we have to get a pay check and feed and house our families. I bet the percentage of "close everything"-crowd are still getting paid.

If you are medically fragile or afraid, stay home and the rest of us will be happy to not interact with you while we move on.

Given THE Scientist (you can look up Dr. Erickson as an alternative for some numbers based analysis since we have been at this for a few months vs. continued reliance on proven poor "models') has no idea as to when we can restart basic functions, I don't see that Dr. Doom's prognosis is helpful. But then again he is a 40 year bureaucrate that had no plan to counter a pandemic.

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Mr. Townsend - Indeed working and not working is binary, however imperative. My qualms with "not yet someone might die" are two fold. Never is there a comparative of what the average year-in-year out deaths would be for infectious disease, and given the criteria presented there will never be a time to reopen (don't we see "resurgent virus" in places that "did it right" already?

What happens next year, and the year after, ad ad infinitum?

Sorry for me this is not a political discussion as much as many would like it to be.

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Keeping things closed also causes suffering and death.

It most certainly does. Even CNN says so (after mocking others for saying the same thing earlier, of course)

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/08/health/coronavirus-deaths-of-despair/index.html

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Dr Fauci couldn’t even be bothered to wear a mask at his briefings-why not?

Surely, he should be leading by example?

I agree and look, I got deep respect for the guy, but he’s no medical messiah.

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actually the opposite in most recent poll.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/497435-poll-trump-approval-ticks-up-to-51-percent

its actually Biden who is going down

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/497274-poll-biden-favorability-dips-leads-trump-by-3-points-nationally

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I agree, it certainly seems like quite a few Trump supporters lack common sense...

Huh? I wouldn’t call Maine exactly a Trump strong hold.

These will be dismissed as idiots who would have died anyway. To Republicans, anyone who follows the President's advice and dies,

So what about these crazy governors OK if I continue to keep a lockdown were a lot of people are dying, massive amounts of people are dying, they’re smart?

proving that the President is a danger to the American people

I think these governors start an even bigger threat to the country, but they could care less if people want to work and make a living. Shut up and stay in your home and suffer.

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Not when he's losing in every swing state they don't!

if that were the case then his poll numbers wouldn’t be nearly as high as they are.

Remember, it's not the number of people who vote for him (after all, the people hated him more than Hillary in the last election), it's the number of EC votes.

Yes and CA and NY doesn’t call our elections so it doesn’t matter our system will not change.

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I will definitely not be putting anything into my body that originates with Fauci or Bill Gates. ever.

Total agreement there.

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Heh, not in the swing states they aren't!

Yeah, you guys keep saying that. Lol

You obviously haven't looked at the numbers. He's losing in them all, and with the exception of one, it's not even within the margin of error like it was with Hillary.

I understand, But we were here before, she’ll never be president, the Billy Bush tapes will get him, Stormy will get him, Michael Avenatti will get him, Cohen will get him, he’s going to be arrested by Mueller, he’s going to be impeached, he’ll be marched out and drummed to the gallows. Yes, Strange, we heard it all. Clap, clap. ROFL!

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And we've heard all the misinformation, deflecting, falsehoods, obfuscation and gas lighting from the far right for years.

And we Heard- now all the lies and hand written notes from the Feds themselves how they tried to overturn the election and frame innocent people in the process, that is irrefutable. Brennan and Comey are probably lawyering up right now.

The fact that the same nonsense is trotted our again, with the telltale nervous tic speaks volumes of the desperation of the Trump following.

No reason to be, the Dems, the FBI, the crooked lawyers they shot and missed again and again.

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Of course, the same misleading and mischievous rhetoric will continue to be encouraged by old pals in the media, despite the sell by date on such guff having long passed.

Apparently, CNN didn’t get the news...define “irony.”

Be wary of hyper rich folk with friends in the media who try to sell you snake oil and disinfectant.

I’m worried a lot more by the Feds and corrupt liberals leaders that want to take away every right we have as free citizens.

That can refer to politicians or right wing media types.

As well as left leaning ones.

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Er, no.

A few unhinged individuals on the right who are calling those Republicans weak, part of an attempt to pause democracy and so on.

calling the weak and trying to murder them are two different things.

The type of right wing hubris that delusional fellows would post online, in order to deflect and get conversation closed permanently.

And Vice versa For liberals

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Fauci is corrupt and has a history of exagerations during previous "pandemics".

Seems he wants Americans to beg for the vaccine.

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A lot of people wouldn't have died if Donald had been intelligent!!

Millions of people wouldn’t have died if China would have been forthcoming and more transparent

And admitted he was still learning.

All of them were learning, but they could’ve saved some time had China been more transparent

There is another man who ignored the warnings, then lied about them, then gave dangerous suggestions on how to treat them, and then lied he ever made that suggestion

A lot of people have lied, distorted, made false prognosis of the situation

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Fauci was asked whether the overall coronavirus death toll was accurate. "The number is likely higher," Fauci responded. "I don't know exactly what percent higher -- but almost certainly it's higher."

And he was quizzed on his views on whether a vaccine was possible within a year or two. "It's definitely not a longshot," Fauci said. "I would think it's more likely than not that we will."

this is what I am talking about. Nothing firm or clear. Plus the obvious mistakes about masks and cruises. then the implied risks about children that have no data to back them up. But I guess he is the best we had, so thanks.

Moving on to reopening if he cant clearly tell us that we shouldnt. Anything he said here any one of us in this site could have also said, he added no special insights.

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Why, because it was written in legible English?

No because once again, the great Dr. Fauci made a huge error, should have known better.

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Dr. Fauci has proven to be one of the few sane voices in this mayhem of a government response to the virus.

But he’s been wrong on numerous occasions, a few months ago he said masks were ineffective, so like the sheep liberals tend to be, they followed him unapologetically and now he says, it’s a necessity, so we blindly now follow him and do it, so he’s wrong, the lemmings follow, he’s right, they follow without question. Thank God most of the country is ending this madness.

His slap down of Rand Paul

Actually, he didn’t, Fauci gave a retort, but that’s it. Rand Paul can put Fauci on the spot being a doctor himself, I was happy to see another doctor question this guy.

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So Fauci is a screw up for not recommending masks in February. But Trump, who has among other things mused about injecting sunlight to cure the virus, assured everyone the cases would be down to zero in March, then that it would magically go away in April, and hyped a malaria drug that is totally ineffective as a treatment, oh and also in keeping with the spirit of these idiotic statements has done nothing to formulate an actual strategy at the Federal level for dealing with the pandemic even though this is something that obviously requires a coordinated response...this guy hasn't screwed anything up that you can think of?

I’m not giving him a pass on that one. He’s a man with an opinion, he’s not a doctor and you just roll your eyes and say, whatever, but if anyone has to call a hotline to verify if drinking bleach is a good thing to do, then something tells me you’re the one that has a serious problem with zero common sense.

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Yes, last week 66% of new infections in New York were from people who stayed at home as told. only 4% were people who took public transportation.

I havent seen any updates this week yet.

And the longer the people stay in their homes the more people be infected, way to go governors.

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If approval numbers were the primary factor to becoming President, Fauci and his 77% approval would be a shoo-in for President. why doesnt he run? he would win, easily.

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because we will have another 20 Dem investigations and another impeachment. and yet another "martyr" with a book deal and a CNN gig. Would just allow the media to fill the news cycle to desperately distract from the agenda of the next 6 months.

its not worth it. we have moved on to reopening and recovery, which Fauci has no part to play in. he is harmless by now, he had his time in the sun.

By the way, if Fauci is doing such a horrible job... Why doesn't Trump fire him?

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is an "expert" supposed to be able to tell me what WILL happen based on their knowledge, experience and data? not just tell me what DID happen after we all see it?

I could have told you that anyone going on a cruise on March 9th or later was a very bad idea. I could also have told you that wearing a mask was a great idea too instead of some nonsense that "masks arent 100% effective", as he said.

Many people could have told us these things, yet the expert couldnt until it was beyond obvious?

Why would anyone need to justify something said with knowledge up to March 9th with another thing said May 9th, two months later, with completely new knowledge and a new situation?

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Rand Paul isnt a "real" doctor, supposedly. Just because he dared to question the all knowing Fauci.

But at the same time Dr. Jill Biden is perfectly qualified in liberal world to be Surgeon General of the USA.

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Rolling stone magazine:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/rolling-stone/

LEFT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.

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Question for you - how many lives do you think is reasonable to sacrifice for the economy?

Question for you - how many lives do you think is reasonable to sacrifice for the virus?

See how that works?

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Apparently Fauci didn't hear the warnings of the suffering and deaths from an imploding economy.

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Questions must always be asked, but those framed as binary are intended to limit discussion to one pole or the other, to ignore the complexity of issues and the many ways the issue can be understood. Which is what partisan extremists want.

In other words and to make it simple. “Conservatives shut up!” We liberals think that you should listen to Fauci....ok, he’s made a lot of mistakes, but he’s a doctor and he should never, ever, ever be questioned. Follow him blindly no matter what.

Funny...only California, Washington State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky, New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware are on strict lockdown, but the rest of the nation is slowly re-opening up again for business..

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Suffering and death: check

deaths are underreported, without evidence; check

contrary to Trump: check

second wave coming: check

schools cant reopen: check

kids being unaffected isn’t guaranteed: check

no vaccine this year: check

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I agree with Rand Paul:

“As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don’t think you’re the end-all,” Paul told Fauci, who appeared at the hearing via video-stream. “I don’t think you’re the one person who gets to make a decision. We can listen to your advice but there are people on the other side saying there is not going to be a surge … I think it’s a huge mistake not sending our kids back to school.”

He said it absolutely perfectly, you really don’t need to add more to that.

Do you agree that it’s appropriate that Fauci and only Fauci determine when everything happens? Work, school, travel, everything? 

I and a growing segment of the population doesn’t think so either.

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exactly. A scientist. One of many.

yet top 7 articles cnn.com all about him and their joy that he contradicts the President on everything he says, that death model is rising again and how wonderful Fauci is.

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.Been wrong too many times and speaks in liberal media friendly sound bites following the narratives. Easy for for him to just play it super safe and stay home.

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Also why is it when people say we must listen to the medical expertS they really mean just Fauci? (Surely because what he says matches their political views).

can we get some other opinions of other medical experts? Or Is Fauci the only one of those we have?

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Do you agree that it’s appropriate that Fauci and only Fauci determine when everything happens? Work, school, travel, everything? We have heard from him for months isn’t there anyone else qualified to speak with a more positive outlook?

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Easy for him to say. Not so easy for many millions that will suffer due to job loss and income loss.

Reopen the world now.

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Isn’t there already ‘suffering and death’ in the US?

Dr Fauci’s advice has failed to prevent a viral outbreak in the White House and he doesn’t even know if he has been infected, so what credibility does he have now?

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