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Experts on WHO team say search for COVID origins has stalled

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Chinese officials are still reluctant to share some raw data, citing concerns over patient confidentiality.

Mighty rich the CCP are trying to get people to think they're concerned about an individual's rights.

China's armies of media manipulators (e.g. 50 cent army / wumao) among other dis/misinformation spreaders around the globe paid by and/or favoring authoritarian regimes post similar messages, claiming they are concerned about losing personal freedoms, while at the same time doing their state or political organization's bidding.

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In the end China will use this to say that they are not to be blamed for the Pandemic. The fact that they did everything possible to make a proper investigation impossible, will be forgotten. And they will keep pushing the narrative that China saved the world from Corona! The fact remains that China a hotbed for pandemics historically!

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In 2020 after the Coronavirus outbreak began, it was easier for Chinese people to fly from China to Paris, New York or Tokyo than it was for them to travel from one neighboring area of their country to another because of the Covid lockdown. Think about that.

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We were never supposed to know the true origins of the coronavirus, as well as the Delta variant. I sussed that several months into the pandemic.

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We were never supposed to know the true origins of the coronavirus, as well as the Delta variant. I sussed that several months into the pandemic.

Making up a conspiracy just because it can be terribly difficult and time consuming to confirm the origin of a zoonosis makes no sense. That is like thinking a conspiracy is behind humanity not being able to freely control the weather or travel to Mars.

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In 2020 after the Coronavirus outbreak began, it was easier for Chinese people to fly from China to Paris, New York or Tokyo than it was for them to travel from one neighboring area of their country to another because of the Covid lockdown. Think about that.

Most of the people who left China at that time were foreign citizens and foreign permanent residents. China can’t stop these people from leaving the country.

At that time, the whole world already knew COVID-19,it’s governments responsibility to test and quarantine them when they arrived at the airport.

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Jon Stewart made the case for coincidence on this. Maybe we will never have conclusive proof, but the current information certainly points to lab leak being the more likely hypothesis.

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Zoonosis. It's an odd word that will be hard for many people to grasp. A word the the top expert in the world on RNA viruses, Edward Holmes, would like you to learn.

And expert who knows more about this subject than any of you here will ever know in two lifetimes.

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Jon Stewart made the case for coincidence on this. Maybe we will never have conclusive proof, but the current information certainly points to lab leak being the more likely hypothesis.

Actually is the opposite, there is no laboratory, university, research hospital, etc. in the world that defends this theory as "the more likely", because a lot of evidence points away from it. From natural occurrences happening continuously every year to evidence of the first human cases of COVID happening weeks before the Wuhan market outbreak and away from the city.

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Conspiracy? There is always a possibility the virus might have leaked from any of the thousand bio-chemical warfare research labs worldwide, accidentally or otherwise.

What is WHO up to..?

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Experts have stalled while their hypothesis of credible theory investigation window closes.

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"Most of the people who left China at that time were foreign citizens and foreign permanent residents. China can't stop them from leaving the country."

Aren't you forgetting about the thousands of the Chinese people who were on vacation? This time period was during China's most popular vacation season.

"At that time, the whole world already knew COVID-19."

True, but it didn't stop the Chinese government from allowing its citizens to travel all over the world even when it knew it was dealing with a deadly virus in Wuhan and it had implemented a strict lockdown. No, it wasn't until many foreign countries grew afraid of what was coming out of China and started closing their doors that the Chinese visitors finally stopped coming. And now we have the cover-up, and in a court of law a cover-up is considered worse than the crime, or the guilty act, itself. What are they hiding? Why won't they let the WHO investigate? Millions of people around the world have already died, so it's very important to get to the bottom of what happened.

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Experts on WHO team say search for COVID origins has stalled

The CCP-dependend WHO would never find anything that the CCP disapproves of, so that is a meaningless statement

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virusrex

Actually is the opposite, there is no laboratory, university, research hospital, etc. in the world that defends this theory

Unless you have supernatural powers, you have not looked at every "laboratory, university, research hospital etc. in the world", so maybe we can do without this boring call to authority.

as "the more likely", because a lot of evidence points away from it.

Actually, research hospitals etc. are not in the business of retracing a crime scene. And the genetical "more likely" claim is mostly based on an article in the Lancet, which has since been debunked.

The Corona enhanced function research at the Wuhan lab, including their problems with bat bites, with mysteriously disappeared research articles and researchers etc are well documented. As is the French withdrawal from the Lab construction because of safety concerns and breach of contract by the Chinese side. The qualified French supervision disappeared already already early in the history of the lab.

From natural occurrences happening continuously every year to evidence of the first human cases of COVID happening weeks before the Wuhan market outbreak and away from the city.

I do not know that and neither do you. Unless you believe what the CCP choses to tell you.

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Ok, now let’s stop that kindergarten gambling, cards on the table, raise and call. I show you a photo of your lab and you show me a photo of your missing link animals. That works best and it works fast. lol

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At that time, the whole world already knew COVID-19,it’s governments responsibility to test and quarantine them when they arrived at the airport.

But, like, only kind of. I recall returning to Tokyo after Christmas, in early Jan 2020 (I think the 6th or the 8th) and there being signs saying "there's some kind of unusual flu from Wuhan. If you've travelled from Wuhan, let the staff know". Governments around the world already knew, they just didn't take it seriously. Many still don't.

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China has been stalling since Sep 2019.

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There is, and won’t be, any decent evidence about how corona came to be. The discussion about origins is not going anywhere, and frankly, is boring, since there is no content. Everyone, including China, has to deal with stopping it, however. Let’t put our brain cells to better use.

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Correction: There isn’t, and won’t be...

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Is it human nature that we have to blame other people for the wrong that we did ourselves? Blaming China will not raise the dead or preventing more from dying. Yes, the virus was discovered in China but virus can start anywhere. It is our government’s responsibility to curb or eliminate the virus. So, what did they do in the West, they have done studies after studies of the effectiveness of the face masks! It took them months after months for the Western governments to ask people to wear the face masks.

Common, isn’t it logical to throw everything at the virus instead of debating it to death. Relying too much on the vaccine is also a big flaw, thinking that you are invulnerable after two vaccinations is extremely naïve. Fully-vaccinated people start bringing down their guards, they carry the virus around with them and spread to those unvaccinated people. Herd immunity can never be achieved in the West, no matter how you dream it to be. So, now the western governments have no choice but to accept that they failed and ask the people to live with the virus. It is just a little more serious and contagious than the flu, heck they are now being led to believe that they can live with it. Their life span has been shortened and the economies are in perpetual slump, but hey, it is a blessing to know that the booster shots are coming, just keep taking it until your turn to die.

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"OK, now let's stop that kindergarten gambling, cards on the table, raise and call."

Agreed. It's time for the Chinese to be more forthcoming and honest with the rest of the world. Millions of people have died as a result of their mistake. It's time to come clean . . . too many have died.

"Is it human nature to blame other people for the wrong that we did ourselves? Banning China will not raise the dead or preventing more from dying."

OK, you've lost me. Nobody said anything about banning China, however, there are some here who would like to know what happened. That cannot happen if the guilty party is continuously dragging its feet, denying, lying, whining about being picked on, etc., etc., It doesn't matter which country it is. What does matter is getting to the bottom of why and how millions of people died. It's not a bad thing to speak out on the dead's behalf in this case.

"Fully vaccinated people start bringing down their guards, they carry the virus around with them and spread to those unvaccinated people."

In other words, vaccinated is bad while unvaccinated is good. Also, unvaccinated people should be very careful of vaccinated people spreading the Coronavirus to them. Who told you this?

"So now the western governments have no choice but to accept that they failed and ask the people to live with the virus."

No denying that these are crazy times and western governments and other governments are doing the best they can with what they've got, but this is the kind of virus that only comes along once every few generations. Whether it's natural, man made or a combination of the two needs to be discussed now not later in order to protect future generations by educating ourselves. If China is responsible, then some kind of international viral tripwires need to be established around it to prevent this or diminish future viruses.

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Stormcrow,

“OK, you've lost me. Nobody said anything about banning China, however, there are some here who would like to know what happened. That cannot happen if the guilty party is continuously dragging its feet, denying, lying, whining about being picked on, etc., etc., It doesn't matter which country it is. What does matter is getting to the bottom of why and how millions of people died. It's not a bad thing to speak out on the dead's behalf in this case.”

Please don’t change my wording, I said “blaming” China, not “banning” China. You probably have the notion of “banning China” in mind, that is why you considered China guilty already. Let me tell you this, millions of those dead people would have been walking and enjoying life right now if the Western governments were more serious in preventing the virus since the beginning. China has proven time and time again that the virus spread can be stopped if those governments care enough about the life of the people. I bet they even have a study on what kind of people were affected most by the virus. Yes, the elderly and minority who suffered the most. Now, Delta variance is like a karma which does not discriminate races any more. So, to get to bottom of this, you should ask why it took the governments so long to act? is it a sound approach to completely relying on the vaccines and ignore other prevention methods?

“In other words, vaccinated is bad while unvaccinated is good. Also, unvaccinated people should be very careful of vaccinated people spreading the Coronavirus to them. Who told you this?”

To answer you, please look at the statistics. In the beginning when the vaccines started to be available the cases started to drop, do you know why? It’s because people take all kinds of preventions including the vaccine and face masks. But, afterwards as time goes on, the governments declared that the vaccines worked and prevention was no longer necessary, so the more people taking the vaccines the more cases started to rise. The unvaccinated people should be constant in both time periods but their cases started to rise right after fully-vaccinated people started to ignore other preventions. So, now they put the blame on the unvaccinated people, which is not right. The Western governments should have continued the prevention and control methods until the virus spread dropped to the point that could be eliminated. It will cost more in the long run if we are forced to live with the virus.

“No denying that these are crazy times and western governments and other governments are doing the best they can with what they've got, but this is the kind of virus that only comes along once every few generations. Whether it's natural, man made or a combination of the two needs to be discussed now not later in order to protect future generations by educating ourselves. If China is responsible, then some kind of international viral tripwires need to be established around it to prevent this or diminish future viruses.”

No, you are wrong. The governments are more concerned about the politics than the lives of the people. Remember what Trump said in the beginning of last year, “it is a war!” Do you think the US won this war with the virus even with the vaccines? We cannot blame any country which discovered the virus, we only should try to find the origin and root cause of the virus, to prevent it from occurring. No country should be responsible for the nature-born viruses. Do you know how many deadly viruses started in the US? We surly don’t want to put the US in bankruptcy.

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