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Hero or criminal? Court hears 2 views of WikiLeaks' Assange

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Hacking computers is not what journalists do, which is for what he will be prosecuted.

The UK should refuse extradition until the US agreed to extradite the CIA lady who killed the teen on the motorcycle.

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Well, two weeks and the Trump supporters here have clammed up - they run away from the question asked at the top of this article....

So once again, is Assange, who partnered with Roger Stone, Chelsea Manning, and the Russian FSB a hero or a criminal and scum?

Which is it?

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Only criminal scum can view Assange as a criminal.

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Hacking computers is not what journalists do

That's like saying journalists never trespass or open other people's drawers to get a story. Well, its certainly not typical journalism but movies sure are full of that type. One thing I have to say though is that U.S. government computers are far from private computers. I would say they should and pretty much do have less legal protection, being technical property of the people of a supposed democracy, and not the property of the crud in government keeping secrets from us to protect their own slimy behinds.

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Assange argues he was acting as a journalist entitled to First Amendment protection, and says the leaked documents exposed U.S. military wrongdoing.

And he also leaked other information that had nothing to do with that which put people in danger and exposed people who had done nothing wrong other than having an opinion. And I bet he enjoyed doing it.

He's not a hero, he just wanted to damage as many people as possible and used the US government information as a cover for accomplishing it. He just likes to screw with people's lives.

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The UK should refuse extradition until the US agreed to extradite the CIA lady who killed the teen on the motorcycle.

No, the UK should refuse extradition. Full stop.

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That's like saying journalists never trespass or open other people's drawers to get a story. 

Thise are illegal acts that would result in prosecution, but have nothing to do with free speech.

One thing I have to say though is that U.S. government computers are far from private computers. I would say they should and pretty much do have less legal protection, being technical property of the people of a supposed democracy, and not the property of the crud in government keeping secrets from us to protect their own slimy behinds.

Say this all you want, but it will still be incorrect.

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No, the UK should refuse extradition. Full stop.

Since you say so, I agree. Nothing like a naked assertion from an anonymous internet poster to change people’s minds.

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Why should we extradite when America does not honor the same agreements by refusing to extradite the CIA agent Anne Sacoolas who killed Harry Dunn the UK teenager.

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U.S. government computers are far from private computers. I would say they should and pretty much do have less legal protection, being technical property of the people of a supposed democracy, and not the property of the crud in government keeping secrets from us to protect their own slimy behinds.

This is why literally everything in government - down to lunch plans between employees - is marked classified.

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Since you say so, I agree. Nothing like a naked assertion from an anonymous internet poster to change people’s minds.

Strange and somewhat ultra-sensitive thing to say, given that the Comments pages in pretty much this entire publication consist of naked assertions from anonymous internet posters.

My disagreement with your post rests on your implication that if the US were to extradite their citizen back to the UK (which I agree they should do in any case) then it would be justified for the UK to return the favour by extraditing Assange to the USA. I don't agree with that.

Since I disagree with that, I said it. As an alternative point of view. If you have a problem with what I said, then address the issue.

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My disagreement with your post rests on your implication that if the US were to extradite their citizen back to the UK (which I agree they should do in any case) then it would be justified for the UK to return the favour by extraditing Assange to the USA. I don't agree with that.

Since I disagree with that, I said it. As an alternative point of view. If you have a problem with what I said, then address the issue.

You haven’t given any reason why you think Assange shouldn’t be extradited, so I cannot address that issue.

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Assange could face the death penalty in which case the UK won't extradite him

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Chip Star:

The US Government's case for extraditing Assange to the US is opposed (among many others) by Amnesty International, PEN International (including PEN USA), the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Council for Europe, human rights lawyers, many politicians, mainstream media all over the world whether left, liberal (or even in some cases conservative) and many, many others, including ordinary people such as myself.

Among the major objections to the extradition are that the charges against Assange are politically motivated, a threat to journalistic freedom, a curb on the public's right to know, and an attempt to punish and silence any journalists or publishers who might want to try to bring a Government's dirty laundry out into the open.

Assange is certainly no saint. There are questions to be answered about his real motivation for dumping the Wikileaks documents in the first place, and whether the indiscriminate dumping did or did not endanger lives of operatives on the ground. The fear of most of the people who oppose Assange being extradited to the USA is that there is not a snowball's chance in hell that once there, he will in any way get an objective examination of those issues, coupled with a fear that once he's in the US government's clutches there could well be new charges laid. Although since he's already facing a 175-year sentence if found guilty, he would end up spending the rest of his life in a US jail anyway.

When Trump came to power he was quoted as saying "I love Wikileaks!" But once someone explained it to him, he didn't. Under Obama, the US Dept of Justice refused to prosecute Wikileaks (or Assange) because it:

"would not do so, and could not do so, consistent with the press freedom guarantee of the First Amendment. ...the Obama DOJ concluded (that) such a prosecution would pose a severe threat to press freedom because there would be no way to prosecute Assange for publishing classified documents without also prosecuting the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Guardian and others for doing exactly the same thing."

Obviously under Trump, those principles don't matter.

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Ship his attention seeking butt off to the U.S. - his sad little personal reality show is a the end and it's cost a lot of cash to the British taxpayer.

I bet he's kicking himself for working with Russia to get Trump elected. That's some "journalist" .

Everyone seems to have forgotten his creepiness around woman on the day Weinstein finally got found guilty...

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Well, two weeks and the Trump supporters here have clammed up - they run away from the question asked at the top of this article....

So once again, is Assange, who partnered with Roger Stone, Chelsea Manning, and the Russian FSB a hero or a criminal and scum?

Which is it?

Another day, another no show from the Trump supporters...

Lots of comments on other threads...but here - nothing but silence...

What is it about this questions that they are so afraid of?

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BigYen: I think Assange should be extradited to the US to face the appropriate charges, but necessarily all with which has been charged. In my opinion, there is justice to be done by a jury after an adversarial process.

Since the US wants Assange so badly for justice, and the UK wants the negligent at best driver, Assange is the perfect bargaining chip. Both countries can administer justice to both alleged criminals.

Both countries allow some of the best protections to defendants and their judicial system are among the fairest in the world.

Long post, my apologies.

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Long post, my apologies.

No problem. Obviously we have to agree to disagree, but the ability to do that is one of the great privileges of living in a democratic system.

Cheers.

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Assange is going down the Weinstein route of feigning/exacerbating illness to get off further imprisonment.

If the US extradites Scholas they can have Assange, both weasley cowards hiding from justice.

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