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Failed coup strengthens Turkey's president

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Erdogan characterized this coup as a "gift from Allah", and, from his perspective, it would seem to be so. This will enable him to more boldly purge the military and political apparatus of Turkey of any remaining resistance to his turning Turkey into an Islamic dictatorship.

Erdogan was not shy about his views on democracy when he said "democracy is like a train: it gets you to where you want to go and then you get off"

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Anadolu Agency said the government dismissed 2,745 judges across Turkey.

Highly doubtful 2,745 judges were part of this staged coup.

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A staged coup.

appears to have bolstered Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s immediate grip on power and boosted his popularity.

Exactly.

Erdogan’s survival has turned him into a “sort of a mythical figure”

That's because this was a staged for TV coup, complete with Erdogan emerging from his plane draped in the Turkish flag hollering and cheering.

the general, said the plotters were mainly officers from the Air Force, the military police and armored units.

We're supposed to believe that there was a massive hidden conspiracy by all these middle ranking officers and they organized this whole thing amongst themselves without anybody from Turkey's all pervasive internal security catching wind of it?

Oh wait, the coup was actually plotted by some obscure retired Muslim guy in Pennsylvania named Gulan. He planned this whole thing and managed to communicate with all these middle ranking officers in the Turkish military, again without Turkish Security services finding out.

Anadolu Agency said the government dismissed 2,745 judges across Turkey.

Judges were in on it too? I don't think so. They were pre-selected to be purged before the fake coup. Erdogan will use the emotional aftermath of the post-coup period to easily wipe out his enemies inside Turkey.

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It sounds like a false flag operation that would allow Erdogan to whip up his followers and consolidate power before he changes the constitution to make himself an absolute ruler.

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Yup this entire thing reeks of false flag.

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Yep, false flag. That's what the mainstream is starting to push.

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At least it is clear that Erdogan has little interest in defeating ISIS, at least at this point, and far more interest in destroying the Kurds. He is most likely going after them next, who were our proxy ground forces in the region. Fog of war complicated by the fog of politics.

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Yep, false flag. That's what the mainstream is starting to push.

Funny, yesterday you were totally dismissive of the idea, now that the "mainstream" is onboard you are as well.

Feather in the wind?

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I dunno folks, I think if we're using the Occam's Razor test here, incompetence beats false flag as the more likely reason for the failed coup.

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It sounds like a false flag operation that would allow Erdogan to whip up his followers and consolidate power before he changes the constitution to make himself an absolute ruler.

-I thought you were talking about Abe.

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Anadolu Agency said the government dismissed 2,745 judges across Turkey.

Well Joeintokyo,

please explain how was the government able to ascertain that all these 2745 judges were complicit in some vast conspiracy coup.

Less than 24 hours has passed since the end of the coup and already the investigation is finished.

A dose of reality buddy... this list of judges was compiled before the coup.

Turkish security also knew beforehand which officers were less than loyal to Erdogan, and they gave them the orders to initiate the coup, knowing they'd be left holding the bag after everything was over so they could easily be eliminated.

Reichstag, Turkish style.

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Too bad! Anyway, this coup was really NOT a well, thought out or well planned operation with so many people detained, it's a total embarrassment.

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"A dose of reality buddy... this list of judges was compiled before the coup."

So? I have no doubt Erdogan has an enemies list a la a Nixon on steroids. And it is in complete character for Erdogan to exploit this bungled coup to his advantage. Sorry, BB buddy, as much as I like a conspiracy as the next person, I don't think this coup was a false flag.

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What are the chances Erdogan knew all about this from the start?

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Funny, yesterday you were totally dismissive of the idea, now that the "mainstream" is onboard you are as well.

Nah, I was just teasing you. I figured you might have a moment of crisis if you thought your views were aligned with the mainstream media.

It looks like you guys are going after the "who benefits?" conspiracy angle. That would have to be the case since the situation ended just hours ago and obviously you don't have any actual evidence of anything yet.

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Wow. Imagine if the US military had turned on Obama administration. He is a divider after all.

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Joe,

Are you expecting us to believe that 100s of middle ranking and junior officers, along with 2745 judges all planned this coup without anybody finding out or spilling the beens?

How did all these middle ranked officers meet and coordinate their plan?

And are we really expected to believe that some old Muslim guy in a rocking chair in Pennsylvania who was obviously under Turkish surveillance had a hand in planning this.

I'd like someone to explain how this coup was planned and initiated by just junior officers and judges, especially since in the first three hours of the coup it appeared extremely well coordinated.

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The strangest thing is that a substantial number of the 'soldiers' involved were conscripts!

Now am no military expert but even the most incompetent anti Erdogan General would know that you need more than a few thousands half hearted soldiers and conscripts to topple 'The Man'.

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BB,

Are you expecting us to believe that 100s of middle ranking and junior officers, along with 2745 judges all planned this coup without anybody finding out or spilling the beens?

Here's what I've read. The following have been arrest or detained:

-leader and mastermind of the failed coup, General Akin Ozturk, the former commander of the Turkish Air Force, who was also a member of the country’s Supreme Military Council -General Adem Huduti, commander of the Second Army Corps based in Malatya, which protects Turkey's borders with Syria, Iraq and Iran -Malatya Garrison Commander Avni Angun, and the Third Army Corps commander, General Erdal Ozturk -Ten members of the Council of State, Turkey’s top administrative court -two members of the Constitutional Court, the most senior judicial body -2,839 soldiers and officers implicated in the overnight coup attempt have been arrested

To me it sounds like the genuine makings of a coup. It seems like a this group within the military, along with other top leaders, badly misjudged the reaction to their insurrection. They probably thought the rest of the military would go along with them and the people would be out in the street tearing up pictures of Erdogan and giving roses to the soldiers of the coup.

And it also makes sense that these disgruntled military leaders would be those involved in carrying out Erdogan's Syrian debacle.

As for Fethullah Gulen leading the coup, I think that's just Erdogan's paranoia speaking.

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Joe,

So these few disgruntled Generals organized and planned this all under the nose of Turkish internal Security and they thought they could pull it off but posting a few sloppy conscripts on a bridge and by throwing a bomb into parliament.

Seems a little far fetched

Here's what I think happened;

The Turkish High Command was well aware that they had dissension in their ranks and they needed a way to purge disloyal officers and government officials. They ordered the coup from the top, especially to known disloyal officers. They then left those guys out in the cold as the public turned against the coup.

The disloyal officers, and a few thousand unfortunate conscripts who were just following orders were left holding the bag.

The 2700 judges were pre-selected to be purged immediately after the coup because timing would make it very easy for the government to get rid of them.

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once again USA doesn't care about democracy as long as it gets what it wants first

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once again USA doesn't care about democracy as long as it gets what it wants first

They should support dictators like Gaddafi, Assad, Hussein, the Ayatollah, the Sauds, and Erdogan

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All Hail the Great Erdogan...

Saviour of the Turkey, Saviour of the People, Saviour of Democracy!

...

Ya right.

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This coup was organised and planed in Europe with the help of their intelligence agencies, these American and European do not want to see a Muslim country to be prosperous and democratic, They want another Iraq another Syria. The US and Europe have placed Dictators and Tyrants in many Arab countries.

Those coup terrorist and their allies should be arrested and should be punished accordingly,

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I guess the tinfoil hat crowd only initially cheered on the coup until it was obvious it was going to fail...weird.

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They probably thought the rest of the military would go along with them and the people would be out in the street tearing up pictures of Erdogan and giving roses to the soldiers of the coup.

I don't think the mid-ranking military is as naive as you seem to be. Everybody knows that Erdogan has like 80% popular approval in Turkey and that most of the military leadership supports him.

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I don't think the mid-ranking military is as naive as you seem to be. Everybody knows that Erdogan has like 80% popular approval in Turkey and that most of the military leadership supports him.

I think it would be naive of me to take for face value a figure you seemed to have pulled out from way down deep. Erdogan's approval ratings have been steadily declining since 2013.

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Burning Bush: Here's what I think happened; The Turkish High Command was well aware that they had dissension in their ranks and they needed a way to purge disloyal officers and government officials. They ordered the coup from the top, especially to known disloyal officers. They then left those guys out in the cold as the public turned against the coup.

Sounds just as good as any plan I could make up hours after the incident ended.

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Well people can be allowed tho think what they want, but for heavens sake, don't expect too much credibility when all you've done is read a few stories on the Internet about a situation that has little to no verified information at this point. And asking questions isn't evidence. They never seem to get that.

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