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Family of 7-year-old migrant girl disputes official story on her death

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It is very sad that the Mexicans didn't do anything to help her. She was a guest in their country.

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It is very sad that the American didn’t do anything to help her...she died in a Texas hospital.

Insane, Texas is an American state...

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It is very sad that the Mexicans didn't do anything to help her. She was a guest in their country.

That's why she died in US custody, right?

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Its very sad that her selfish father , used his daughter to try and gain entrance to US because there would be absolutely no other reason to separate his 7 year old from her mother.

In fact I strongly suspect even more nefarious reasons.

In short her father is to blame fully and I expect border control to drop him in jail for endangering a child, followed by deportation back to where he came from after his 20 year sentence is served.

and nope, neither border control or Mexican state police are responsible for his child care.

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Sad, very sad, I feel sorry for the parents, but the parents should have never put their kids in that position to begin with and or to break the laws in trying to illegally getting into a sovereign nation.

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and nope, neither border control or Mexican state police are responsible for his child care.

Ridiculous. They literally had custody of her. When someone takes custody of a human being, the life of that human being becomes their responsibility. They let her die. It's their fault a 7-year old child is dead.

The right-wing really has given up on the idea of responsibility. They've decided hyper-partisanship trumps responsibility.

Losers.

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The girl died in a Texas hospital.  I think US fulfilled its responsibility.

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Its very sad that her selfish father , used his daughter to try and gain entrance to US because there would be absolutely no other reason to separate his 7 year old from her mother.

You literally have no way of knowing why the father separated the child from the mother.

Ridiculous. They literally had custody of her. When someone takes custody of a human being, the life of that human being becomes their responsibility. They let her die. It's their fault a 7-year old child is dead. 

The right-wing really has given up on the idea of responsibility. They've decided hyper-partisanship trumps responsibility.

That sums it up nicely. You can blame the father all you want, but Border Patrol became responsible for the child once it took her into custody.

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To be fair, if she was already past the point of saving, then the border patrol couldn’t have done anything. That would be quite the timing though.

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The child's death is not the fault of customs and border patrol. Clearly the child was dehydrated and exhausted before she was taken into custody. She surely would have died in the desert regardless of whether she was taken into custody and probably had a better chance of living because she was. To blame the Trump administration for this one only discredits the "liberal media." While the child's death is a reason to debate policy, it is not a reason to condemn the customs and border patrol agency.

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Vomiting is a common sign of dehydration (as I've experienced as a long-distance runner), and the young and elderly are particularly susceptible. The condition is not difficult to treat: put the patient in a reclined position and administer liquids either orally or by IV.

One would think the DHS in a desert section of the border would be aware of and prepared for this.

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Illegally trying to enter any county has risks.

Not speaking the language well has risks. Would CBP speak the Mayan Q'eqchi' language?

Going into a desert without proper preparation has risks.

The father decided the risks were worth the possible reward. He was wrong.

Family members in Guatemala said Caal decided to migrate with his favorite child to earn money he could send back home.

Economic immigrant who would have been deported.

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Latest report is that the poor girl died of septic shock, and additionally was dehydrated and exhausted. None of these conditions could have happened in her 8 hours in the custody of the US Border Patrol. She was clearly suffering for days due to the trauma of the journey from her home the BP had no choice but to gather everyone, do a cursory check for obvious problems (including questioning her guardian) and then moving everyone to the closest office.

Once she was discovered to be sick, heroic efforts were made to save her, including an emergency evacuation by helicopter to a pediatric hospital. Tragically, she was too far gone to be saved.

It is horrible to see this tragedy used as a political talking point by the left in their War on Trump. If there is any blame, lay it at the feet of those who dragged her across the border in the company of such a large group, possibly exposing her to infection and disease. Also not feeding her or giving her sufficient water. Also not accepting Mexico's offer of asylum.

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Once she was discovered to be sick, heroic efforts were made to save her, including an emergency evacuation by helicopter to a pediatric hospital.

Really?

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Stranger; yes, really. From CNN:

6:40 a.m.

An ambulance arrived, and a helicopter was called to take the child to a hospital in El Paso, Texas, more than four hours away by vehicle.

7:30 a.m.

A helicopter arrived at the Border Patrol station.

7:48 a.m.

The helicopter left the station with Jakelin. Her father stayed in Lordsburg, and agents drove him to the hospital in El Paso.

8:51 a.m.

Jakelin arrived at the Providence Children's Hospital in El Paso. She was treated in the emergency room and later transferred to the pediatric intensive care unit.

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That’s from CNN?

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Stranger: how about the BBC instead?

According to US Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the girl was apprehended with her father for illegally entering the country on the evening of 6 December.

She was then screened and found to have no health issues.

It says she was held in a location that had food, water and toilets before she was loaded onto a bus with her father ahead of a 94-mile (151km) journey to the nearest Border Patrol Station.

But the girl began vomiting while on the bus, officials say, and later stopped breathing.

When the bus arrived at the Border Patrol Station she received emergency medical attention and was revived twice before being flown to hospital in El Paso, according to the CBP.

It says she died there after suffering a cardiac arrest and was diagnosed with brain swelling and liver failure.

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The BBC said that?

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Atilla: Post a link to the articles.

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The open-borders group just doesn't want to hear that the father cause this girls death, not the US govt. She died on US soil only because of the father's poor judgement.

Chip - there's this thing called web search. You've told me to use it to validate your assertions previously. I read the same BBC article with excerpts above.

Chip and Strangerland have already decided the USgovt is at fault. Exactly how much medical help would she have gotten wandering in the Nevada desert, unprepared as they were.

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Post a link to the articles.

It took me two seconds to find this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46573274

That doesn't make anything "true". But what doesn't seem to be at dispute is that the guy took his daughter from somewhere south of Mexico with some hope of entering the USA.

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Chip and Strangerland have already decided the USgovt is at fault. Exactly how much medical help would she have gotten wandering in the Nevada desert, unprepared as they were.

I'm open to the idea that the border patrol maybe could not have done anything. But so far Attilla has just written a bunch of his own personal opinions that he claims come from valid news sources, yet he didn't provide links, and with the amount of fake news the right puts out, I'm not going to just believe him at face value. If you'll notice, one of the posts he created posted a timeline that conveniently left out what time the girl was taken into custody, and how long she sat there until they decided to do something.

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The open-borders group just doesn't want to hear that the father cause this girls death, not the US govt. She died on US soil only because of the father's poor judgement.

There is no open-borders group. That is just conservative hyperbole that adds nothing to a conversation.

Chip - there's this thing called web search. You've told me to use it to validate your assertions previously. I read the same BBC article with excerpts above. 

You don't say? Stranger was fishing for the links, so I was helping Attila. Stranger's post of 5:53 demonstrates this. My apologies that you don't understand that liberals and conservatives no longer trust each other.

> Chip and Strangerland have already decided the USgovt is at fault. Exactly how much medical help would she have gotten wandering in the Nevada desert, unprepared as they were.

How much medical help this girl would have gotten in the desert is irrelevant because she was detained. Of course, Border Patrol is going to claim they did everything they could. That is in dispute. What isn't in dispute is that when you are detained by the government, the government assumes responsibility for you.

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It took me two seconds to find this:

Good for you. As I said before, Attilla wasn't getting that Stranger was asking for links. Admittedly, Stranger was attempting to use sarcasm instead of simply asking.

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It wasn’t even sarcasm. It was just asking him if what he said was true, with the knowledge that if someone asked me the same, I’d provide a link.

Some people aren’t as concerned with integrity though.

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It wasn’t even sarcasm. It was just asking him if what he said was true, with the knowledge that if someone asked me the same, I’d provide a link.

Fair enough. Obviously, Attila wasn't getting that you were asking for links. Might I suggest next time simply asking for the links?

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Yeah, I don't react well to written sarcasm, especially when the things I write are ridiculously easy to check. For those who can't, here are the links:

CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/15/us/guatemalan-girl-death-timeline/index.html

BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46562499

My foolish assumption was that the facts of the case were fairly obvious. Nobody is suggesting that the Border Patrol ignored her condition, refused her medical care, or caused any of her problems. Remember, the doctors at the hospital said that she died of a combination of septic shock, dehydration, and exhaustion. Of those, the septic shock is probably the worst, and contributed to the other problems. To a group of border guards dealing with 160 people, she probably looked much like everyone else- tired, scared, and forlorn.

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There is no open-borders group. That is just conservative hyperbole that adds nothing to a conversation.

Thats like saying, California is NOT a sanctuary State.

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My foolish assumption was that the facts of the case were fairly obvious. Nobody is suggesting that the Border Patrol ignored her condition, refused her medical care, or caused any of her problems.

I read someone questioning it. How long after she was taken into custody, was she given assistance? How long was she in distress before being given assistance? None of anything you've posted has addressed these issues.

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Stranger, read the timeline on CNN.

The girl was with a group that were dropped in the desert by human trafficers. She was obviously indistress long before arriving in America.

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Stranger, read the timeline on CNN. 

It was on CNN?

The girl was with a group that were dropped in the desert by human trafficers. She was obviously indistress long before arriving in America.

The question is to what degree of distress she was in when the border patrol took custody of her, and whether or not their actions were appropriate for the level of her distress, and whether or not any actions were taken to determine her health when she was taken into custody

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According to the pediatric hospital the girl was airlifted to, she suffered from three problems: septic shock, dehydration, and exhaustion. None of these could be caused during the short time she was in the US. All are chronic and take days to manifest.

According to the report, she was part of a group of 160 or so people that were found at about 915pm in the desert, after being dropped off by coyotes. The BP called a bus to take them to the nearest BP station, and also did a quick medical check. She showed no symptoms at that time. The bus first took about 50 unaccompanied children to the BP station 100 miles away. It returned to take the girl and her father. En route (about 500am I believe) , she began showing symptoms. The BP radioed ahead for medical assistance, then later a chopper to take her to hospital.

I don't honestly see how the BP can be faulted in any way. The father (an economic migrant, not an asylum seeker BTW) was responsible for her condition deteriorating to the point where she could not be saved. Her health issues could not have been simply solved with a bottle of water and a sandwich. She was sadly on the brink before even entering the US.

Do you have any evidence to the contrary, or do you just have an axe to grind against the US? Seriously, I am curious. The facts of the situation are not really in dispute.

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