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More un-American people fighting the concept of religious freedom of worship.

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The Christianists are taking over America. Ironic, since the country was founded on the concept of freedom of and from religion. I wonder what they think about the cathedral, representing terrorist Timothy McVeigh's faith, located so near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing.

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They say there are strangers who threaten us, in our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness too dangerous, in our theaters and bookstore shelves That those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves

Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand...

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as a muslim american, I'm proud to live in a country that respects my beliefs and allows me the freedom to practice my religion. it's unfortunate that as of late, because of a small, extremist minority, that freedom exists more on paper than in practice.

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So much for "mosques are fine so long as they aren't near ground zero"

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People like Bob Shelton are the reason so many people dislike America: ignorant, prejudiced, scared of the unknown, and when it comes to religion, as narrow minded as they come. People like Shelton need to face facts - Muslims live in America. Where else are they going to worship besides in a mosque? And some want to worship in NYC because ....they live there. Amazing. In more and more ways, America is turning nasty. Ignorance-fuelled prejudice, distrust of anyone they don't understand, the list goes on.

Instead of trying to shut out mosques, perhaps a better idea would for Americans to welcome them and actually take some time to learn about and understand the Muslim religion. Who knows - they might learn something they like. And let's face it - Christians have committed more crimes, murders and genocide than Muslims ever have. Maybe Bob Shelton should think about that.

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I wonder what they think about the cathedral, representing terrorist Timothy McVeigh's faith, located so near the site of the Oklahoma City bombing." If I recall correcty, as I was stationed in Texas at the time, they blew the Branch Dravidian church up and then fried Timothy McVee and anyone, I mean anyone who simply subscribed to the same survivalist magazines as he did were under a close eye and that was the correct thing to do.

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I like Islam because no one has ever tried to convert me to it. This is in stark contrast to Christians who will not get the hint that I am not the least bit interested in their (or anyone else's) religion and that "no" I don't want to come to their church. If they can promise to leave everyone else alone, I think they should have as many acres for their mosques as they like.

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I like Islam because no one has ever tried to convert me to it." So, I guess you should Satanist for that matter. BTW, I don't know where you've lived, but they have knocked on our doors for donations, events, hand out magazines, etc..

sushi, give me a non-biased link proving your stat. At the moment, you are looking like a "chupa".

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There's no way the Freedom Tower will be built before this mosque. The mosque comes first, LOL.

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More mosques means less of a target.

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Sarge, seems like foreigners take your country more seriously than you do.

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Considering all the anti-Muslim propaganda on the MSM, I'm not surprised.

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I can't believe how the phrase "Ground Zero" has been hijacked by the media. Sure 9/11 was an awful tragedy, but putting it in the same league as a nuclear explosion is just wrong.

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Good old American arrogance and ignorance; and is it any surprise it is all being led by a Christian nut? Nope. Those who claim that US Muslims shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else are the ones who need to leave -- not the Muslims.

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This video shows the typical mindset of those who oppose the mosque.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzPTkFTx98E

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so what do you call those Muslims who are against this? Or those Egyptian Christians who primarlily live in NYC more than any other state?

Let's see whats up with religous intolerance: you guys supports a cross which has been up for since WWI IN THE DESERT, you have forced fire houses and schools from having a cross even gone as far as having zoning issues on Long Island (a church can not be built x feet from a school), what ever history there be I don't see Christians coming out in numbers hacking people up (Nigeria, Indonesia, etc). There's gonna be a lot of hot middle eastern decent girls going in and out of Cordorba, but oh I forgot, they can't date me, no no only Muslims. I would think about opening a gay bar across the street from it, but oh no to that as there will be "new" set of licensing rules; pet store too. What's gonna happen to that Mosque that was the main one in Down Town?

Sabi thanks for the vid, why is it that other buildings of the guy who built that building placed on the list but this one doesn't yet has more significance?

I love how a few here call those of us, especially three of usual posters who've lost 800+ co workers don't have the same rights as Muslims when it comes to protesting when we watch judges in NJ take Shariah law into consideration on cases and we have an Imam who won't tell anyone where they got the 100 million (an requirement for non-tax status), who feel America would be better off using Shariah law, has pal'ed around with "jew" haters. Nope, hands off. As long as what a person has that goes against the grain of America - he must be ok.

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Yes Sabi, Pamela Geller is against muslims. She is very anti-muslim. And I can't blame her. She just proved that the world wants to treat a cartoon of Mohammed differently than we treat one of other religious figures. They want to stifle our freedom of speech but have rights to build their mosques in our land and not let us have our religious symbols in theirs. And to top it off they want to put one so close to 9/11's ground zero it's a bit of tempting fate I'd say. Kind of disrespectful of what kind of reaction it might have considering the people who carried the attack out were inspired by their interpretation of the Koran. If they were respectful they'd reconsider where they were going to put their mosque just to avoid the controversy. But just like Pamela and her cartoon who is being criticized for it they escape criticism for their choice of location. If they want respect they have to start giving to get it.

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Any bets on how long it'll be before there are mass drawings of the prophet Mohammed in protest?

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Wow, hold on a minute, folks. There is no mention in the article that anyone is stopping the construction of these mosques. Muslims do have a constitutional right to freedom of religion and no one is taking that away from them. The protesters, on the other hand, do not want the mosques in their neighborhoods and as long as their protests are within the law, they have a constitutional right to free speech. There are some people out there who feel very strongly about this issue, but don't paint everyone in the US with the same brush as these very vocal protesters!

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Any bets on how long it'll be before there are mass drawings of the prophet Mohammed in protest?" Well, after just coming back from the area, there are a lot of angry people, however not one of the people I know have to this date done anything to any of the many Muslim mosques in any of the five boroughs, nor of the even more in the Jersey area. And I doubt they will, the ones I know at least even though one of their loved ones perished on 9-11, do anything other than expressing their soon to be lost right - protest. However, when one nut case from anywhere decides to take some revenge, watch how this board goes off the handle or even in your case - just simply draw a cartoon. They will start their blanket method as they have already shown in their above posts. Calling America an xenophobic country is one such statement. Now excuse me while I, in protest, become a Christian or a Jew. How do I do that?

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So much for "mosques are fine so long as they aren't near ground zero"

Depends on who you talk to. Most people couldn't care less about Mosques elsewhere. Obviously though there are some people who feel differently. Seeing as how its Tennessee, I would say its rather understandable. Now if it was Boston, or California, people just wouldn't care. The south though is different.

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"People like Bob Shelton are the reason so many people dislike America: ignorant, prejudiced, scared of the unknown,"

And the more prejudiced you are, the more UNKNOWN there is to be scared of. These people are Trogs. They really drag America down.

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Heh, US muslims best get breeding fast, this is a new precedent of something pretty ugly in parts of the US.

There's a church in Gainesville, Florida, planning to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

Maybe there's going to be some religious war soon.

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Ah well there's a church in Florida organising a Koran burning session for the 9/11 anniversary. I sense religious strife in the land of the free.

Nice too see good christian folk actin' like Nazi's....

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Looks like the land of the "free" is in a religious turmoil.

There's a church holding a "burn the Koran" day in Florida in rememberance of 9/11. Last time we saw nutters like tyhis in Europe it didn't go down too well....

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Heh, well I'm all for freedom of religion until someone's religious values start infringing my right to free speech, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression, and human rights.

One thing the people who keep saying Islam is peaceful should know is that they are extremely gullible and not learning about Islam as it is taught to muslims or how they think. Trust me when the ex-muslims keep saying apologists are being played like fiddles they'd better believe it. Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Taslima Nasrin, Parvin Darabi, Anwar Shaikh, I can pull out more but the list goes into the hundreds of thousands. They left Islam because they did not see it as "peaceful".

While the muslim population in the US isn't anywhere near a majority (yet) at about 3-4 million in actuality (not the 9-10million Islamists want you to believe), they like to bide their time until they're in a position of power or they have strong enough influence over a region before they make their move. Some are actually impatient though and start making dramatic moves before hand.

Peace treaties do not mean the same in Islam as it does to most other cultures. It just means Islam won't attack until they grow enough power and control until they can overwhelm the enemy, not "we'll never ever attack you again". There is a reason why extremism is growing in the muslim communities accross the globe, some are impatient about gaining control of the area and trying to build a "stronghold" for later use.

It may take years, decades, maybe even centuries but as long as the "glory" of Islam is spread Islamists will do things as slowly or quickly as needed to get everyone to "submit" and admit that Islam is the one true religion in the world.

As for the good news, apparantly there are more and more muslim apostates growing each day and a true apostate can easily refute muslim arguments since they've been there and done that. Some apostates in Islamic governed countries go through the motions of being a "good muslim" since if they openly declare their apostacy they'll be persecuted for leaving Islam.

This is going to be a long fight, but with the wake of more and more muslims becoming modernized and some up to the point where they realise Islam for what it is and leaving, things may become much better.

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Honest....there was an islamic seminar in the UK designed at teaching young muslims how to debunk extremists rationale for justifying terror attacks through the koran. Certainly a step in the right direction for the sect....

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Religions have put more distance between all peoples of the world than anything else. Just live your life without hurting anyone else and don't do bad stuff and thats enough without all the mumbo jumbo, pomp and ceremony that accompanies all these religions.

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SushiSake3: Instead of trying to shut out mosques, perhaps a better idea would for Americans to welcome them...

Huh? After seeing the terrorism Muslims have brought to virtually every place they've inhabited, why would anyone want to welcome them to their country? Is it really necessary to once again list all the countries in the world fighting Islamic terrorism?

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Instead of trying to shut out mosques perhaps a better idea would for Americans to welcome them

Perhaps murdering Americans in the name of Allah has something to do wth it?

RR

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Aren't they protected under the Constitution to build a mosque?

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They are protected as long as they don't start saying how "heroic" the hijackers, suicide bombers, rogue US muslim soldiers, and plots on how to overthrow the US government are. Once the doors are closed and the known kuffar have left the rooms who knows what they really say (well actually we do know some of what they say) behind closed mosques.

Everyone has the right to protest anything they want. So we'll have to leave it be.

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Madverts: Last time we saw nutters like tyhis in Europe it didn't go down too well....

I thought nutters like that in Europe were elected to office? ;)

I think we'll be OK. The opposition sounds mostly like trumped up media presentations. My guess is that White Supremacy groups don't really speak for the average American. Neither do 76-year-old retirees. Statements like "In Temecula, Calif, opponents brought dogs" usually means a couple of guys brought a couple of dogs. I believe the New York Mosque protesters brought numbers in the "dozens"......whopping!

In reality we have a long way to go to catch up to the Europeans with their Arab ghettos, forced religious symbol removal, riots, and just general hatred between the Muslims and the host country. We don't have writers getting murdered by Muslims or elected officials running on anti-Muslim platforms and winning seats in government. As Sushi would say, this is one big why people hate Europeans.

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Madverts:

" Honest....there was an islamic seminar in the UK designed at teaching young muslims how to debunk extremists rationale for justifying terror attacks through the koran. Certainly a step in the right direction for the sect.... "

LOL! Now seeing that ALL of the jihadist clerics and activists got their inspiration FROM the Koran and haddith, that would be a feat indeed.

Do you have an actual curriculum of this magical event, or are you just swalling the bromide?

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Here is another one who still hasn´t swallowed the bromide:

"The battle over the ground-zero mosque is more than another battle in the heated culture wars. It is a watershed moment: the point at which liberal multiculturalism capitulated to the relentless march of political Islam. Muslim radicals around the world rightly will view it as a triumph over the feckless American infidel: Even the site of their deadliest attack against America is not free from Islam's looming presence. This event signifies the loss - the defeat - of American will and purpose in the struggle against jihad." Jeffrey T. Kuhner

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/aug/5/radical-islams-conquest-of-america/?page=2

And right he is, of course. That well-meaning Western islamopologists don´t see it that way is completely irrelevant.

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While whatever or whoever's words lead you on, is personal, reading this all, it had me wondering about whether this isnt an issue about taking words into the church? Having said that, can I get a degree for reading here!

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Whatever reasons we think we have to say no to this mosque are completely flattened by the constitutional rights of these people. Would it matter if we put up apartments that housed Muslims rather than a church?

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I sometimes wonder how much "Americans" (meaning USA) really know about their own history.

This is nothing new it has happened before just with different groups and religions and the only big difference is that we now have mass media and the Internet so it is now known faster and just happening all the more at the same time than slowly region by region like in the past.

The same kind of fear and worse happened all over the USA south and Midwest concerning Catholic churches and especially Jewish Synagogues, I won't even get into all the things that were done to try and stop, blacks, Asians, etc.. from living in certain areas and build their places of worship.

Land of the free means W.A.S.P. all others scare us.

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