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Man not likely to walk again after police shooting in Wisconsin

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It’ll be fun to read all the speculation on this thread. We’ll have people claiming Blake was armed because the police were shouting at him to put down the knife despite eye witnesses saying they didn’t see a knife.

We’ll also have people bringing up Blake’s criminal history in an attempt to demonstrate he has a propensity to commit crime despite this type of evidence being expressly disallowed under Rule 404 of evidence.

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If cops have guns drawn and are shouting at me, then I am going to put my hands in the air and stop moving-I am going to comply!

Why is it that in these cases that black people seem to think that it is ok to ignore commands from police officers?

Maybe, this is why they are being shot?

13 ( +34 / -21 )

He repeatedly ignored police warnings to stop, ignored their drawn guns, and then reached into his car to get something, which if I was a police officer under these circumstances I would presume was a weapon.

13 ( +30 / -17 )

One of the cops attempted to impede Blake by grabbing the back of his shirt but he still ignored them and went into the car!

The cops had to make a decision to safeguard their own lives...

5 ( +22 / -17 )

Yes, go from grabbing a shirt to firing multiple rounds into the back. Definitely a reasonable escalation that doesn’t skip other, non-lethal means of restraint.

Blake literally walked around the car. Walked, not ran, walked.

4 ( +25 / -21 )

Once upon a time people obeyed orders from police. Law abiding people still do.

1 ( +24 / -23 )

Even if all these postings are true, police are trained to use truncheon sticks and/or tasers to subdue suspects. four (some say seven) shots at such a close distance is excessive, period. I've seen a number of arrests in my lifetime - violent and not. This is NOT how it's meant to be done. This is at least police brutality, I don't give a **** what anybody else.

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Blake literally walked around the car. Walked, not ran, walked.

It doesn’t matter what he did, does it?

He could have bunny hopped to the driver’s door-this is not a salient, relevant point in this situation.

Blake ignored visual, spoken and physical warnings to comply.

Since Americans have the right to bear arms then the police have no way to know what Blake was reaching for in the car.

Unless Blake was a recent migrant to the US then he too would know this.

Maybe, he thought the rules just didn’t apply to him?

5 ( +21 / -16 )

Once upon a time people obeyed orders from police. Law abiding people still do.

It depends if you are a police state or not. The US is an example of a country where the police have far more power than in normal countries.

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He could have bunny hopped to the driver’s door-this is not a salient, relevant point in this situation.

You clearly have never studied law.

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Along with the details of their excuse and the incident, I look forward to hearing how three cops couldn't physically restrain one guy before he reached into the car; and how seven shots in the back, at point-blank range, will be justified this time.

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"Starpunk" said all that has to be said!

Follow the rules on both sides, but NO excessive force, like shooting people several times in the back!

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Even if all these postings are true, police are trained to use truncheon sticks and/or tasers to subdue suspects. four (some say seven) shots at such a close distance is excessive, period. I've seen a number of arrests in my lifetime - violent and not. This is NOT how it's meant to be done. This is at least police brutality, I don't give a **** what anybody else.

Sorry, it’s this guys fault. He’s lucky to be alive. Had he listened to the police he would still be walking. I don’t feel sorry for the guy. What was he thinking? When the police want to detain you or arrest you, you need to comply, you just don’t walk away because you don’t want to! What’s wrong with people? They wanted to take him in in the only thing you can do is just be quiet and comply and do what you need to do and try and prove your innocence, you don’t sit there and just resist, you’re never going to win. But now this guy can reflect on his actions for the rest of his life and hopefully he will see that he is the one responsible for putting himself in this position now.

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You clearly have never studied law.

I’ve never been shot, clubbed or tasered by cops!

Maybe, it is because I listen calmly to what police say to me and follow their instructions-strange but true...

6 ( +19 / -13 )

Those who were cheering the shooting yesterday saying the man was still alive will try their pitiful best to justify this once again.

Shooting an unarmed man seven times in the back is not just cowardly it is criminal.

Again trump’s America is unsafe for the minorities!!!

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Sorry, it’s this guys fault.

No it is the police’s fault.

He’s lucky to be alive.

Paralyzed for life is not much of a life.

This was another execution carried out by the police smug in the knowledge that this administration and its brainless supporters will back them, as long as it involves minorities!!

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I wonder if these particular cops were trained by Dave Grossman, who "is best known for his police training program, based on the self-coined study of "killology", which aims to reduce officers' psychological inhibition to kill suspects."

Add that to their protections under qualified immunity (a special protection for government officials the U.S. Supreme Court created in 1982) and the powerful police unions, it's no surprise things like this happen.

I am against 'defunding' the police, but I am for allocating resources to non-policing forms of public safety and community support. There should always be efforts made to deescalate. The police have the physical means, like non-lethal options, but perhaps not the desire or the training.

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I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he was not being cooperative with law enforcement and refused to follow simple instructions.

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Since Americans have the right to bear arms then the police have no way to know what Blake was reaching for in the car.

That's the case with anyone in a car, anyone carrying a bag, anyone wearing a coat... so many people may be hiding a gun, no way to know. So the police should shoot everybody just in case ?

2 ( +13 / -11 )

Should he have followed the police commands. Yes.

Was he acting in a threatening aggressive manner with a weapon towards the police. No.

Do police have skills and knowhow to apprehend a non-aggressive non compliant person by non-lethal means. Yes (we hope).

Should police shoot a non-threatening non-compliant person 7 times in the back at point blank range. No.

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It’s a very good thing that the guy did not die, but you need to follow what the police say and if you don’t anything that happens and the consequences of that solely is your responsibility and the outcome of it. I think the police were completely justified in what they did, they didn’t know if this guy had a knife or a gun, He just didn’t care, he just walked away, but now at least he has the rest of his life in that wheelchair to reflect on his stupid actions that put him in that situation and maybe he can be a role model and teach other kids to always comply with the police.

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Good. His kids (how many? Same mother?), his community, the streets, the cops, will be a lot safer without this criminal walking around freely. 

Alleged criminal. He’s not been convicted of anything.

3 ( +12 / -9 )

Love all the posters on this thread that want small government and don’t trust the government but are saying you should comply with the police no matter what. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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There are multiple things and problems.

First this happens in the USA regularly because if guns, there are as many White, Latino, shot like this but we don't hear much about it because no mass protests when it does.

Are USA police to quick to use force? Probably, but at the same time why riot, burn businesses, cars,etc.. of people that are not responsible for what the police do, often in the same less well off neighbourhood.

Now I drive a lot in Japan, for many reasons my car is in my wife's name and she does not use my surname ( 2 reasons one where I am from women no longer take their husband's name and it seemed silly living in Japan for a Japanese to have a clearly foreign name).

So driving around all over Japan with number plates that are not from the region, I think being obviously not Japanese and having a beard in a car not registered to a foreigner, means I get stopped a lot with the usual

Is your winker working?

Followed by the next

Can we look through your car and bags?

As if I have a choice to say no.

Now sure I could get upset start arguing, escalate the situation, refuse to comply or cooperate.

But what will that get me?

Trouble only trouble.

Now here in Japan as a foreigner I have no recourse.

But in the USA, a smart person uses their head use a phone a dash cam, stay calm and then file a complaint go for legal action, etc...

The man had warrants, a restraining order, was tasered and still resisted then reached inside his car, I expect with the guns, and the way the USA police are any man regardless of colour would have ended up the same way.

This is not justifying what was done, it is just the reality of the USA.

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there are as many White, Latino, shot like this but we don't hear much about it because no mass protests when it does.

Yes, but rarely reported - this inconvenient truth doesnt fit the wokist MSM narrative.

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PSmith, “small government” doesnt equate to ignoring legitimate police Instructions behaving in a manner that might be endangering the lives of police officers doing their duty .

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Blake was arrested for driving without a license in 2018(because of DUI) . There was also a warrant for his arrest filed in Wisconsin Circuit Court in July on charges of criminal trespass, domestic abuse and third-degree sexual assault. He also has felony firearms prior. He was under a current restraining order for domestic violence.

All of this is pertinent because the police were called to his house for a domestic disturbance and he was wanted by the police.

Before he was shot, he had been fighting with the officers, but got up and went to his vehicle, reaching in to get something. With his violent history and his current non-compliance with the officers' orders, he had to be deemed as a serious threat to the officers as well as the people in the vicinity.

Play foolish games, win foolish prizes.

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@ coskuri

That's the case with anyone in a car, anyone carrying a bag, anyone wearing a coat... so many people may be hiding a gun, no way to know. So the police should shoot everybody just in case ?

Look when a cop in the US says do something then it is advisable to do so.

Despite not being American, I have seen enough cop shows, films and social media videos to know that guns are rife in the States.

They are also used by basically all and sundry.

So, yes IF orders are being flagrantly disobeyed and ignored then officers should defend themselves!

If there is a desire for any American to act out their rebellious nature without risking their lives then Canada is just up the road...

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oharaToday  07:37 am JST

Once upon a time people obeyed orders from police. Law abiding people still do.

And if you don't , for any reason whatsoever, the cops have a green light to not even try to use something other than deadly force but to put as many bullets into you as they see fit. Is that what you are saying?

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there are as many White, Latino, shot like this but we don't hear much about it because no mass protests when it does.

So the solution is to keep quiet whenever the police shoots an innocent person, because they shoot innocents from all races.

First of all statistics refute your argument.

Second it is wrong to keep quiet at injustice.

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What I can never understand is in so many of these cases you see the family go on TV and tell us how a great son, husband, father, etc... The person was.

But in most cases they had rap sheets longer than both my arms and I am known to have unusually long arms.

This still is not trying to justify anything, I am only pointing out the obvious disconnect between what is other said and reality.

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It shows a great deal of ignorance when people say "But I always comply with police demands!". There are three human responses to panic situations and they are "fight, flight or freeze". Everyone has a tendency toward one of them. If yours is generally freeze like a deer in the headlights, that's you. You cannot reasonably expect others to just change their deepest psychology and neither can police.

Further, its clear from the video that those cops were horribly stupid and incompetent and/or horribly evil and corrupt. Take your pick. Following a person at point blank range with your gun at his back is totally asking for trouble. Its dangerous to everyone including the person holding the gun. Its escalating the situation. Its bound to end wrong.

And its also messed up to say you would follow commands when you have never been confronted by these particular cops and probably also never been in a situation quite like this. His three kids are in that car and he arrived at the scene where the mother is engaged in a fight. I have no doubt his mind was totally on his kids, one of whom is just 3. And then these stupid cops roll up. You don't know how you would respond.

Pick a first world country out of a hat. Those cops would be going to jail. Only in America is this evil being allowed. Only in America are idiots and trolls being given an ear to justify bad cops.

-2 ( +11 / -13 )

Jacob Blake, a black man, is shot in the back seven times for walking.

The right: Yes. Good. He deserved this. That's justice.

Dylan Roof, a white man, is carefully arrested after using a gun to murder black worshippers in their church; the police take him to get burgers.

The right: Yes. Good. He deserved this. That's justice.

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PSmith, “small government” doesnt equate to ignoring legitimate police Instructions behaving in a manner that might be endangering the lives of police officers doing their duty .

Agreed, but you skipped over the “not trusting the government” part. You are also assuming the police instructions were legitimate and that Blake was behaving in a manner that might be endangering to police lives.

I know you are assuming this because no investigations have been concluded related to this incident.

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Vanessa, you lost me. Youre wrong on so many levels.

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@Mocheake

He had already fought with the police and been tasered and then opened his car door reaching inside.

So they did try

use something other than deadly force

@ulysses

No. In today's world of smartphones, dash cams, the smart thing is to comply then if one thinks they have actually been wronged file complaints and legal action.

In a gun culture like the USA physically fighting with the police, not stopping after being tasered and reaching into your car is everything one should not do.

As I pointed out in the USA people all people have rights.

I don't suggest ever trying it in Japan as a foreigner, the laws are clear, comply to any request by the police that includes searching your car, bags, etc...

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But in most cases they had rap sheets longer than both my arms and I am known to have unusually long arms.

That does not justify killing people.

George Floyd was accused of passing fake notes, it is a crime but not deserving of capital punishment.

Blake was involved in a domestic dispute, which again doesn't deserve a shooting.

So yes, a lot of the people involved had rap sheets, but they did not deserve to die or be shot at.

0 ( +8 / -8 )

@ulysses

Did you miss this part of what I wrote?

This still is not trying to justify anything,

As long as the community ignores or seems to think a long term criminal is a

Nice boy, good father, etc..

No one outside that community is going to take what they say seriously.

Again this does not justify anything but it is the USA, it is full of guns and the police are responding to known criminals with in many cases violent histories.

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George Floyd was accused of passing fake notes, it is a crime but not deserving of capital punishment.

No, but again as horrible as it was, he chose to pass the fake notes, he was ultimately responsible for the outcome of his life. He made the choice to pass them around.

Blake was involved in a domestic dispute, which again doesn't deserve a shooting.

But he had multiple felonies and aggravated assault charges, the police were wise to practice extreme caution. But again, you don’t walk off when the cops tell you to stop and once again we have a guy who thought, I do what I want and I think now he regrets his decision.

So yes, a lot of the people involved had rap sheets, but they did not deserve to die or be shot at.

Bit they all had free will and they chose the path that they are on or that they met. That was their destiny.

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Vanessa, you lost me. Youre wrong on so many levels.

Thank you. You have summed yourself up very well in one short post. First you say I lost you and then, without asking any questions at all so that you might be able to follow, you declare I am wrong on many levels without attempting to define even one.

Indeed, I am not at all surprised I lost you. Anyone who would speak up for police shooting an unarmed man in the back seven times at point blank range is easily lost, or easily claims they are for the misdirection LOLs.

I understand everything you have said, and YOU are dead wrong in all your conclusions, perhaps intentionally wrong.

-1 ( +7 / -8 )

As long as the community ignores or seems to think a long term criminal is a 

Nice boy, good father, etc..

As long as people continue to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent, things will never improve.

0 ( +6 / -6 )

Again trump’s America is unsafe for the minorities!!!

I hear this kind of thing all the time, what about the Asians in America, they are a small minority but they are the most successful! Even more so than the whites!

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Vanessa, you lost me. Youre wrong on so many levels.

If you can’t follow what is being said, how do you know it’s wrong?

0 ( +6 / -6 )

No, but again as horrible as it was, he chose to pass the fake notes, he was ultimately responsible for the outcome of his life. He made the choice to pass them around.

The cop that melt on his neck for over 7 minutes was responsible for Floyd’s death.

But he had multiple felonies

Cites? I’m not finding this anywhere. Please don’t claim to have already posted them.

Bit they all had free will and they chose the path that they are on or that they met. That was their destiny.

You do realize that not everyone was born a rich kid, correct?

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But in most cases they had rap sheets longer than both my arms and I am known to have unusually long arms.

You have made the mistake of thinking all laws are fair and all police actions and court decisions are also fair. You have further made the mistake of thinking that no one is ever falsely accused, or that its always discovered in time that they were.

30 years ago a person with nothing but offenses involving marijuana would be seen as a criminal. Today probably a majority would see that person as a victim of a corrupt, or at least mistaken system. Plenty of people are victimized by the system, especially in America with its "for profit" prisons and intentionally under-trained, intentionally picked for low IQ police force. These things, along with evils like qualified immunity, are why these episodes of police barbarity keep happening.

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What I can never understand is in so many of these cases you see the family go on TV and tell us how a great son, husband, father, etc... The person was.

Just like the pit bull that mauls a child to death.

"He was always such a good boy, he had never hurt a fly..."

We tend to look back on things with rose-tinted glasses.

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The problem is the press.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/07/police-shootings-black-men-race-not-reason-causal-effect/

0 ( +2 / -2 )

The problem is the press.

It's the police. Abolish the police.

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@P. Smith

As long as people continue to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent, things will never improve.

No one is assuming anything.

They have been convicted of crimes often multiple and violent, that is called a fact.

The fiction is the way most of the families try to portray these men as sweet loving fathers, sons, etc...

This is the problem today, ignoring reality and facts.

I am a lefty, a unapologetic socialist for most things but this jumping on the bandwagon of ignoring criminal pasts and often violent ones is not helping.

All it does is give the pro militarization of the police people more fuel to say: see they support criminals.

At some point we have to think how do we stop this, first better training for police, second stop the ignoring and justification of criminal activities.

What did the store owners, the home owners, the car owners do to warrant having their places and things burned and destroyed?

But we hear it is the police's fault, no is is the fault of criminals and the activists that sit back and justify these riots.

Two wrongs do make a right.

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The problem is the press.

It's the police. Abolish the police.

Who ya gonna call if someone robs or attacks you? Which is more likely if the police are abolished?

Fun fact: Most black people are not in favor of abolishing or defunding the police.

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He was dying even before he was put on the ground.

Totally incorrect.

The police killed him and that is the reason they were charged!

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@Vanessa Carlisle

None of these men were just a pot possession case.

All including this man had multiple arrests and all including this man involving violence and often guns as is the case of this man.

1 ( +7 / -6 )

I love the abolish the police thing.

It has gotten to the point of a joke.

Retrain sure but who is going to respond to crimes domestic violence,etc..

In Canada the movement has gotten as bad.

Now the police will not be sent of mental wellness checks only some new service they plan.

I guess they forgot that before the police it was ambulance paramedics

(I was one) and they stopped it because to many were assaulted.

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Vanessa, I think there is a misunderstanding. I understood what you said - there is no need for followup questions from me. I meant “ you lost me” to mean I think you are way off course with your line of thinking on this one. We disagree. No need for ad hominems.

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comply with police instructions, you will be fine.

What, police are supposed to let him reach into his car and get a weapon first?

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Who ya gonna call if someone robs or attacks you? Which is more likely if the police are abolished?

Well tell that to Botham Jean who was killed in his own apartment. Did he have to comply to the police in his own apartment even though he had no gun on him? Did he deserve to be shot even though he did nothing wrong, just because the police officer "thought" she was in her apartment.

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@jack o helen

Please do not try mixing things.

The Botham Jean case has nothing to do with the police.

This was a neighbor dispute and one thinking that she could get away with it because she was a police officer.

Facts are important

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As long as people continue to assume someone is guilty until proven innocent, things will never improve.

Does that sentiment extend to the police?

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

What, police are supposed to let him reach into his car and get a weapon first?

They are not supposed to shoot him, 7 times, without reason!!

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

Who ya gonna call if someone robs or attacks you? Which is more likely if the police are abolished?

I've said on this website many times that the police should be abolished and replaced with a publicly funded, community-focused group of well trained people whose primary job is to prevent or solve crimes. I'm open to ideas on the name.

Fun fact: Most black people are not in favor of abolishing or defunding the police.

Fun fact: that's not what I base my opinion on.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

It's the police. Abolish the police.

I pray Democrats run on that.

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I am a lefty, a unapologetic socialist for most things but this jumping on the bandwagon of ignoring criminal pasts and often violent ones is not helping.

You're not a lefty if you think that police can arbitrarily execute people for crimes that people have already served time for.

Now the police will not be sent of mental wellness checks only some new service they plan.

Rule 19.

The Botham Jean case has nothing to do with the police.

"A police officer killing someone has nothing to do with the police". OK boomer.

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I pray Democrats run on that.

Sadly, they have made it clear that they won't.

3 ( +4 / -1 )

They are not supposed to shoot him, 7 times, without reason!!

The he should have complied, very simple.

1 ( +6 / -5 )

how about the word "police"?

 with a publicly funded, community-focused group of well trained people whose primary job is to prevent or solve crimes. I'm open to ideas on the name.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

The police seem trigger happy for many year. Instead of serve and protect the public, it has become don't challenge police authority. I really think they need to screen who they hire as officers with psychological testing.

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how about the word "police"?

I think that's a bad idea. People would associate the new organisation with the militarized death squads who currently stalk the US.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Unarmed, non-threatening, walking away from the officer, and shot in the back in front of his kids. And the cops still wonder why people hate them...FTP.

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I think that's a bad idea. People would associate the new organisation with the militarized death squads who currently stalk the US.

Police are not going around looking for blacks to shoot and kill. Don’t know what the press is saying in Europe, but it’s funny for anyone to even think it. Just ludicrous.

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@Sneezy

No she was a neighbour in a dispute with him.

The fact she was a police and off duty at the time has been used to add it to the others.

No police were called, she was not there on police business.

She went there to do what she did.

Has she not been a police officer the story would have been neighbours dispute ends in man being killed.

Try facts.

You are doing a good but failing job at distorting my words.

Good luck

I have repeatedly said police need better training,

I repeatedly said I was not saying it was justified.

But go ahead distort.

You on the other hand are clearly ready to defend anyone as long as it involves making the police the bad guys.

Ignore the fact the woman that called was a victim of this man, ignore that fact he was wanted, ignore the fact there was a restraining order, ignore the fact he fought with police, was tasered, etc..

Criminals good police bad in your book

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

Police are not going around looking for blacks to shoot and kill.

Police were called to an altercation between two women and immediately turned to the nearest black man to shoot him in the back seven times.

Don’t know what the press is saying in Europe, but it’s funny for anyone to even think it. Just ludicrous.

I don't think it's funny when black people are shot for no reason.

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@expat

Did you miss the parts about.

The woman that called the police was a victim of this man.

He was wanted for domestic violence, sexual assaults.

He had just fought physically with the police, been tasered and was reaching into his car.

Not to mention he had already a conviction for illegally possessing a gun.

This is not Japan but gun happy USA.

With all that if you were the police would you just sit back and wait to see if he pulls out a gun?

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

The he should have complied, very simple.

Again justifying killing a minority, with no reason.

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Police are not going around looking for blacks to shoot and kill.

Try reading on statistics and you'll be surprised once you read!!

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Antiquesaving,

you nailed it. But unfortunately these oh so virtuous left wingers have never experienced the real world outside of their bubbles.

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@ulysses

More white men are shot each year in the USA under similar circumstances including some very prominent anti establishment people.

Got some way to join those to the killing of minorities?

0 ( +4 / -4 )

you nailed it. But unfortunately these oh so virtuous left wingers have never experienced the real world outside of their bubbles.

Please bring your real world knowledge of police dealing with situations like this to the discussion.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Police were called to an altercation between two women and immediately turned to the nearest black man to shoot him in the back seven times.

Well, the black man didn’t listen to the commands of the officer, were he white and did the exact same thing, he would have ended up the same way or worse. I know making it about race is another futile and feeble attempt to excuse bad behavior.

I don't think it's funny when black people are shot for no reason.

I don’t either, but that doesn’t excuse the guys stupid action. You can’t just do what you want when a cop tells you something.

Again justifying killing a minority, with no reason.

No, he wasn’t killed and he chose to defy the officers, his fault. Don’t want a confrontation with the cops, follow their orders.

0 ( +4 / -4 )

More white men are shot each year in the USA under similar circumstances including some very prominent anti establishment people.

Got some way to join those to the killing of minorities?

Yes: they are all victims of an out-of-control militarized police more intent on killing people than protecting them.

Abolish the police.

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With all that if you were the police would you just sit back and wait to see if he pulls out a gun?

How could the police carefully and calmly arrest Dylan Roof, someone they knew was an armed mass murderer, and then take him out for burgers, if they're all apparently so frightened of their shadows that a man walking away from them is considered a deadly threat?

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Well, the black man didn’t listen to the commands of the officer, were he white and did the exact same thing, he would have ended up the same way or worse.

Unlikely.

I don’t either, but that doesn’t excuse the guys stupid action. You can’t just do what you want when a cop tells you something.

You just said:

it’s funny for anyone

You do think it's funny. God knows why.

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

Unlikely.

Sorry, the stats show otherwise and there are thousands of videos where whites are just being demolished by the police, stop with the weak race card argument for once.

You do think it's funny.

Yes, that people even think they can thumb their nose at the law and think they can get away with it.

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And if you don't , for any reason whatsoever, the cops have a green light to not even try to use something other than deadly force but to put as many bullets into you as they see fit. Is that what you are saying?

But the cops don’t shoot for no reason whatsoever do they?

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Sorry, the stats show otherwise

They don't. Explain how a white supremacist mass murder gets treated with kid gloves and even bought tasty burgers by the police when a black man walking gets shot seven times.

and there are thousands of videos where whites are just being demolished by the police, stop with the weak race card argument for once.

There are, so I say again: abolish the police.

Yes, that people even think they can thumb their nose at the law and think they can get away with it.

Thank you for admitting you think it's funny for someone to be shot seven times for walking.

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No, he wasn’t killed 

Which is a miracle because he was shot 7 times.

Wonder if the police would use the same tactics on the klansmen in Michigan, they were not obeying the law, they were carrying arms and yet not one shot was fired!!

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@Sneezy

Yes: they are all victims of an out-of-control militarized police more intent on killing people than protecting them.

Abolish the police.

You seem to have things backwards.

They are victims of an out of control militarized population.

And the police are responding to that.

Guess you missed the LA bank robbery where the police were out gunned.

Now look at Canada, the police were never heavily armed but now certain groups are smuggling in high powered weapons from the USA out gunning the police.

Abolishing the police will only lead more people getting guns because they will feel even less protected.

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Yes, that people even think they can thumb their nose at the law and think they can get away with it.

Someone who thinks killing people is funny is an abhorrent person.

Yes this person is protected by the moderators.

Shame !!!

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Jacob Blake, the man shot by police in Kenosha, Wisc., has a history of assaulting police. He also has past charges for domestic abuse & a sex crime. There was a warrant for his arrest at the time of this incident.

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They don't.

They do, if you accept the facts and the department of corrections and police stats.

Explain how a white supremacist mass murder gets treated with kid gloves and even bought tasty burgers by the police when a black man walking gets shot seven times.

Explain how a black man shoots a 5 year old just for playing in the street?

There are, so I say again: abolish the police.

Again, I pray the Democrats run on that, they should.

Thank you for admitting you think it's funny for someone to be shot seven times for walking.

No, I think it’s funny that people complain about someone’s stupidity.

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so to act like this is some random guy walking down the street peacefully is disingenuous,(but feeds the liberal narrative, so who cares)

The police already knew the background of who they were dealing with and acted responsibly while considering that information they had about the person. How many times do you have to assault police to have a "history" of assaulting police?

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this person also appears to have been holding something resembling a Karambit knife in his left hand as he went to the vehicle.

Which matches with the police command to "drop the knife".

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here are as many White, Latino, shot like this but we don't hear much about it because no mass protests when it does.

Yes, but rarely reported - this inconvenient truth doesnt fit the wokist MSM narrative.

Statistically, blacks are more likely to be killed by police shootings than any other race. Blacks are a smaller proportion of the US population than whites or hispanics so the absolute numbers of their deaths are lower, but in proportion to their population, meaning death by police shooting per 1 million population, the death rate for blacks is 2 1/2 times that for whites. Here are the numbers of deaths by police shooting per 1 million population by race for 2015-2020 taken from Statista

Black: 31

Hispanic: 23

White: 13

Other: 4

This should clear up the reason why blacks feel singled out by police for violence. The police kill proportionally more blacks than any other race.

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So we have the same old tired pattern. First a black man is shot or otherwise brutalized by white police. We have video of that man not complying but also not resisting (the cop lovers won't understand that distinction). Then quick as you please, we have people cough up some dirt on him without a source named, because apparently these people have known him for years. And there are claims that prior to the video there was violence that somehow justifies the brutality despite the gap in time on the video where there was no violence.

Its almost like we are being set up and fed just the right cases to ensure this merry go round never stops. I guarantee there are many stories where no one will be dubious either way but we don't hear about those. But in the end, I expect to have some bad citizens. But its the bad police getting paid with taxpayers money to brutalize them.

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Statistically, blacks are more likely to be killed by police shootings than any other race.

They’re also statistically more likely to argue with police, escalate the situation and resist arrest.

In addition, more likely to live in high crime areas, but I know you’ll blame that on racism.

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Police training in the US is wholly inadequate. European nations require police recruits to undergo 2 to 3 years of training before they can graduate and enter the police force. In the US police training last 4 to 6 months. Europeans cops have more tools to draw from in terms of what they learned in training than US cops and they are not as likely to shoot suspects. One has to wonder what the amount paid out in excessive force lawsuits each year could buy in terms of longer and better training to avoid the situations that led to the excessive force lawsuit.

It was the high cost of aircraft mishaps, not just the price of the airplane but the training invested in the pilots and aircrew lost, that finally forced the US military to adopt stringent safety programs. They cut their mishap rates by an order of magnitude from the blood soaked 1940s and 1950s where the US was losing more aircraft to noncombat mishaps than they lost in combat each year. The nation's police forces could learn a lesson from this.

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now do police interactions, by proportion.

The police kill proportionally more blacks than any other race.

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You seem to have things backwards.

They are victims of an out of control militarized population.

And the police are responding to that.

I also support banning guns. But if, as you say, police have no choice but to fire round after round into someone they suspect of possibly having a weapon somewhere nearby... why did Dylan Roof, who they knew was an armed mass murderer, get calmly arrested before they bought him dinner?

They do, if you accept the facts and the department of corrections and police stats.

They don’t. You guys think that 6 = 15 and that 47 is more than 52, so I’ll not take any numeracy lessons from you, thanks.

Explain how a black man shoots a 5 year old just for playing in the street?

Answer my question. I asked first: answer it. Why are you in favour of black fathers being gunned down by police but think that white mass murderers should get burger dinners?

No, I think it’s funny that people complain about someone’s stupidity.

You of all people should be happy that stupidity isn’t a capital offense.

this person also appears to have been holding something resembling a Karambit knife in his left hand as he went to the vehicle.

He didn’t.

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They don't.

No, sorry that’s not what the facts say.

Answer my question. I asked first: answer it. Why are you in favour of black fathers being gunned down by police but think that white mass murderers should get burger dinners?

So why did you not answer my question? Do you think it’s justifiable to kill a child and the media refusing to comment on it? Not one Democrat mentioned Cannon Hinnant’s name. Where was Sharpton? Why wasn’t he there? Guess his life didn’t matter....

You of all people should be happy that stupidity isn’t a capital offense.

Yes, otherwise Biden and Pelosi would be laughed out of the room. Lol

He didn’t.

You read the police report? You saw it?

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then what was in his left hand as he walked to his vehicle, as shown in the stills from the video?

He didn’t.

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The police kill proportionally more blacks than any other race.

Is it because blacks spend more time on the streets than other groups?

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No, sorry that’s not what the facts say.

You don't know what the facts are. That's why you never post any.

So why did you not answer my question? Do you think it’s justifiable to kill a child and the media refusing to comment on it? Not one Democrat mentioned Cannon Hinnant’s name. Where was Sharpton? Why wasn’t he there? Guess his life didn’t matter....

Why not answer my question first? It's common courtesy.

You read the police report? You saw it?

Better: I've seen the tape.

then what was in his left hand as he walked to his vehicle, as shown in the stills from the video?

Car keys, a glove, there are many possibilities. It takes a twisted mind to see a blur and then immediately think you recognise a certain type of knife. Ease off the Mark Dice, blacklabel.

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It is amazing the lengths some people will go to to attempt to justify seven point blank shots fired into a man's back. And nearly every single one doing it is a white American male. And its funny because it used to be among white American males that shots to the back were automatically declared cowardice.

Add to this the fact the shots were fired toward a car load of kids that was inches away. I would literally vomit on my keyboard if I tried to force myself to defend police in this matter.

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A Wisconsin state lawmaker said Evers, who is white, and Lt Gov Mandela Barnes, who is Black, encouraged violence with their comments after the shooting.

Is there a reason that JT capitalizes "Black" but not "white"?

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ulyssesToday  08:11 am JST

Those who were cheering the shooting yesterday saying the man was still alive will try their pitiful best to justify this once again.

Shooting an unarmed man seven times in the back is not just cowardly it is criminal.

Again trump’s America is unsafe for the minorities!!!

There's no justifying this and the nan is going to be crippled for life. he should be compensated by the Kenosha police department, it's police brutality at best and these corrupt cops must pay the penalty!

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Many Cops are killed every year because of guns hidden in cars' That's all you need to know. and these Cops hear about it all the time

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It takes a twisted mind to see a blur and then immediately think you recognise a certain type of knife.

Exactly. I am thinking what he saw might have been the pattern on the man's shorts.

But regardless, if the police say they believed he had a weapon, then the official report will state the man was armed. I am not kidding you. If he had a stick of gum and the police thought it was a weapon, the official report will declare he was armed and it will go into the statistics that way. No joke. Yet, big joke. This is how American police operate. Its a criminal organization that lies to us as a matter of course.

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You don't know what the facts are.

I do, and that’s why the information is public. I always post them, but the problem is you guys just always gloss over them.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

Why not answer my question first? It's common courtesy.

because you never answer any of my questions, never.

Better: I've seen the tape.

but you have never seen the full police report, “yes or no?”

Car keys, a glove, there are many possibilities.

this is true, but we cannot definitively say anything unless we read the full and unredacted police report as to what exactly happened, because none of us were there to make any kind of speculation.

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It is amazing the lengths some people will go to to attempt to justify seven point blank shots fired into a man's back.

I find it even more amazing that the guy had the gall to just walk away from the police, once he did that he made the clear and apparent decision I don’t care what you guys say I’m gonna do what I want, bad decision and now he gets to think about that every day he will be reminded of it.

And nearly every single one doing it is a white American male.

So what’s your point? If there were a black police officer there, then you probably can’t use the race card, am I right?

Add to this the fact the shots were fired toward a car load of kids that was inches away.

then the guy should’ve listened, if he knew that the police were out to apprehend him and he knew the kids were in the car, why would he be so stupid knowing that there could be a potential confrontation and then walk towards the car with kids in it, that shows a lack of character on his part and what a terrible father he must be. I’m glad he didn’t die, but I’m also glad that every day now he can sit back and reflect on what his life could’ve been and what it is now, he made that choice.

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I do, and that’s why the information is public. I always post them, but the problem is you guys just always gloss over them.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

I asked for facts. This is an opinion piece. Try harder.

because you never answer any of my questions, never.

I do. All the time.

but you have never seen the full police report, “yes or no?”

No, I've seen the tape. Unlike you, I trust my own eyes more than I trust the word of some power tripping thug in blue.

this is true, but we cannot definitively say anything unless we read the full and unredacted police report as to what exactly happened, because none of us were there to make any kind of speculation.

Tell it to blacklabel.

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I asked for facts. This is an opinion piece. Try harder.

No, I did already, but it doesn’t matter, I didn’t get shot, I follow the law, so I’m good, no sweat off my back..

I do. All the time.

Really? You never answered this one, So why should Black people vote for Democrats? How have Democrats made lives or black communities better and safer and more prosperous in what way specifically?

No, I've seen the tape.

I don’t mean the tape, you didn’t see the body cameras of the police and you didn’t read the police report, of course you didn’t, so you don’t know for sure, you can’t! None of us can and none of us can definitively say anything factually unless we read the entire in full report.

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well, "drop the knife" is kind of a hint that it isnt gloves in the middle of summer, or car keys.

Car keys, a glove, there are many possibilities. It takes a twisted mind to see a blur and then immediately think you recognise a certain type of knife. Ease off the Mark Dice, blacklabel.

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Who called the police, and why?

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Do you think it’s justifiable to kill a child and the media refusing to comment on it?

No one is defending that senseless murder and the murderer was not employed by the people to protect citizens. You are WAAAYYY off base.

This coward cop was paid to protect people, even risk his life doing it, not shoot them in the back 7 times because he supposedly feared for his life. Yet people are defending him and we know by experience he will probably not be punished for this cowardly murder.

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@Sneezy

You keep going on about Dylan Roof.

OK why didn't the police shoot him?

Well because the little piece of .......

didn't even try to resist he just gave himself up.

No fighting with the police no reaching into his car.

It is possible that one of the arresting officers was hoping he would but he didn't.

Does that answer your question, had you looked it up you would have known

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No, I did already,

You didn't, that's my point.

Really? You never answered this one, So why should Black people vote for Democrats?

I've answered this before: the GOP actively hates black people and delights in making their lives miserable. Just ask Lee Rockwell.

How have Democrats made lives or black communities better and safer and more prosperous in what way specifically?

Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act.

I don’t mean the tape

I do.

you didn’t see the body cameras of the police

I have a feeling they'll "go missing" or "got damaged".

and you didn’t read the police report, of course you didn’t, so you don’t know for sure, you can’t!

I can: I saw it with my own eyes. On the tape.

None of us can and none of us can definitively say anything factually unless we read the entire in full report.

I can. Because, again, I saw the tape, and I trust my eyes more than more wannabe-murderer cop.

well, "drop the knife" is kind of a hint that it isnt gloves in the middle of summer, or car keys.

It could also have just been an excuse to shoot someone. Which is why you can't see a knife in the tape and witnesses who were there didn't see one, either.

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