Fauci tests positive for COVID-19, has 'mild symptoms'

BroncoToday  07:23 am JST

Another "breakthrough" infection.

Exceptionally rare because it broke through not just 1 layer of vaccine protection, but 4 layers.

Earlier this week, U.S. Health Secretary Xavier Becerra tested positive for the virus. It was the second time Becerra had come down with symptoms and tested positive.

Doubly rare.

And how did the virus get around that mask? Must've been during that brief period when he was changing masks!

I doubt he's even had the jab, much less any boosters. He's smart enough to know they're not particularly safe or effective.

But, I thought the protected were already protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected to get the same protection that did not protect the protected?

Dr Anthony Fauci, the face of America's pandemic response through two White House administrations, has tested positive for the coronavirus.

Attending all those functions while unmasked seems to have caught up with him.

Another "breakthrough" infection.

Exceptionally rare because it broke through not just 1 layer of vaccine protection, but 4 layers.

What official souce says breakthrough infections in the age of Omicron are exceptionally rare? right now even reinfections are becoming common. What vaccines do is eliminate the most important risks from the infection.

I doubt he's even had the jab, much less any boosters. He's smart enough to know they're not particularly safe or effective.

The evidence available from dozens of countries around the world clearly prove they are both safe and very effective, nobody can "know" things that are false, and making up some imaginary situation to reinforce your belief doesn't make it less mistaken either.

But, I thought the protected were already protected from the unprotected, by forcing the unprotected to get the same protection that did not protect the protected?

Vaccinated people have much lower rates of complications and deaths, and even reduced rates of infection and transmission, nothing has changed about that. This is why gradually the risks associated with the infection are being reduced and countries are relaxing measures, infections (and reinfections) will become more common without the same increase of complications, hospitalizations and deaths.

This balance is changing every day, there is no longer a need to prevent all infections as it was the case with the original strains of the virus.

Fauci has not recently been in close contact with President Joe Biden or other senior government officials.

Wonder who he caught it from? The CDC noted that the people who have not been infected in the US share the trait of being extra vigilant.

Seems like the US' medical authority let his guard down. Very risky to do at his age.

Vaccinated people have much lower rates of complications and deaths, and even reduced rates of infection and transmission, nothing has changed about that.

What has changed is now medical experts admit the vaccines do not necessarily protect against getting infected in the first place, a turnaround view from what was first presented by the experts to all us non-medical professionals here.

wow, so basically catching COVID has turned into nothing more than a virtue signal to show how "I got something but Im fine!"

I prefer to not get something to begin with. how does that happen, if not by getting vaccinated?

What has changed is now medical experts admit the vaccines do not necessarily protect against getting infected in the first place, a turnaround view from what was first presented by the experts to all us non-medical professionals here.

No such thing, the argument that vaccines would flawlessly protect against infection including from any possible variant that could appear has always been a strawman argument from antivaxxer groups trying to discredit the experts by making up false statements that were never said.

All vaccines until now have been always directed at preventing the disease, and specially the dangerous complications of the disease, not the infection, saying otherwise is simply false.

wow, so basically catching COVID has turned into nothing more than a virtue signal to show how "I got something but Im fine!"

Yes, thank to vaccinations and treatments that reduce the risk from the infection, something that was the aim of the interventions since it became clear the virus was not going to be erradicated.

I prefer to not get something to begin with. how does that happen, if not by getting vaccinated?

For a disease that is so easily transmitted and that have adapted multiple times to avoid the previous immunity? your options are getting vaccinated, getting the disease or live in complete isolation in some island.

No such thing, the argument that vaccines would flawlessly protect against infection including from any possible variant that could appear has always been a strawman argument from antivaxxer groups trying to discredit the experts by making up false statements that were never said.

All vaccines until now have been always directed at preventing the disease, and specially the dangerous complications of the disease, not the infection, saying otherwise is simply false.

Flawlessly is your word. These words are from the CDC (the experts):

* vaccines are the safest way to protect a person from a disease,*

For a disease that is so easily transmitted and that have adapted multiple times to avoid the previous immunity? your options are getting vaccinated, getting the disease or live in complete isolation in some island.

That is a strange non-medical opinion, and falls flat on its face in front of the CDC outlining procedures to be taken to prevent oneself from becoming infected.

And the real medical professional advice does not refer to living in complete isolation on an island.

 your options are getting vaccinated,

Fauci is vaccinated, 4 times. he got it. so that would be false.

I asked how NOT to get COVID.

getting the disease or live in complete isolation in some island.

There is no real way to avoid getting COVID, you say?

oh so "live with it and go on with your life" WAS the correct answer from 2 years ago. not mandated vaccinations and shutting down the entire country.

Everyone knows that the COVID vaccines are of limited effectiveness. Nobody can claim with a straight face that they're safe over the long term because they haven't been around for long enough to make that conclusion. Even in the short term their safety is dubious, with so many blood clots, myocarditis cases, miscarriages etc likely arising from adverse reactions to the vaccines. Fauci would be a fool to ignore this, and is in a perfect position to know exactly what's going on. I don't think he has taken the vaccine, certainly not any of the the mRNA ones.

BlacklabelToday  08:43 am JST

There is no real way to avoid getting COVID, you say?

oh so "live with it and go on with your life" WAS the correct answer from 2 years ago. not mandated vaccinations and shutting down the entire country.

Beautifully set up!

 vaccines are the safest way to protect a person from a disease,

And that is still completely true, no change about it and it is still the consensus of the scientific and medical community of the world.

This statement in no way says this protection is perfect, permanent or will apply for any and all variants, but it is still the best you can get.

Also important is that apparently you think infection and disease are the same thing, they are not. People get infected after vaccination for many other diseases, what the vaccine do is make that infection give only mild if any symptoms.

And the real medical professional advice does not refer to living in complete isolation on an island.

There is no practical, realistic way to be free of infection during the covid pandemic, so the choice is to live in complete isolation (the island optional) get vaccinated or get the infection and the full risks that come with it.

Fauci is vaccinated, 4 times. he got it. so that would be false.

That is still the option, because it makes the infection less likely and more importantly less risky. So it actually improve your chances to be free of the infection.

oh so "live with it and go on with your life" WAS the correct answer from 2 years ago. not mandated vaccinations and shutting down the entire country.

No, it was not, because that assumes we had vaccines, effective treatment and a milder variant 2 years ago, none of which is true.

We are now at the position of relaxing measures without a corresponding increase of risk and measures gave us the time to reach this point without pointless deaths. Pretending we are at the same risk from covid right now than 2 years ago is obviously false, and easily demonstrated as false.

Everyone knows that the COVID vaccines are of limited effectiveness. Nobody can claim with a straight face that they're safe over the long term because they haven't been around for long enough to make that conclusion.

What the experts in the world have said is that vaccines are (and for all realistic purposes will be) much safer than the natural infection, which is the justification that they need to be used. Covid has been affecting humans for a couple of years and it is correlated with much more numerous and serious health problems than any of the approved vaccines. So the vaccines are by much the safer option, you want to say this is false? then you have to present valid evidence of the contrary.

Even in the short term their safety is dubious, with so many blood clots, myocarditis cases, miscarriages etc likely arising from adverse reactions to the vaccines. 

You know what has several orders of magnitude more of all those problems? getting covid. That means that getting vaccinated protects people from all those problems and that will be true as long as covid is present.

Fauci would be a fool to ignore this, and is in a perfect position to know exactly what's going on. I don't think he has taken the vaccine, certainly not any of the the mRNA ones.

Fauci would not fall prey to the faulty logic of pretending covid is free from complications that vastly surpasse what is present with the vaccines, this would mean the opposite of your baseless presumptions would be true. He and every other professional knows (or should know, some people are too badly prepared to do their jobs) that being vaccinated protects from the risks of infection even if vaccines have risks of their own.

Vaccination is supposed to stop the infection in the first place.

No, that is only your own mistaken idea. Sterilizing vaccines are not the norm, nor they need to be to be effective and useful.

These are not "the definitions" before the mRNA vaccines, that is completely false, vaccines have never worked that way so there is no reason why they should magically begin to do it only for covid.

The "expert" is always right, silly folks.

That is still the option, because it makes the infection less likely and more importantly less risky. So it actually improve your chances to be free of the infection.

nope. my question was how do I not get COVID at all. clearly.

Not how can I have a pleasant COVID experience when I do catch it.

The "experts" versus the heretics.

Who's winning?

vaccines have never worked that way 

so the guy that posted yesterday that things have "changed" since people told us "get vaccinated you wont get COVID"..... was wrong then?

I told him that you said vaccines have never worked that way. and he insisted that Biden and others who tricked people into getting vaccinated with the "you wont get COVID if you get vaccinated" line are blameless due to things "changing".

Which is it? always been this way, or this vaccine only is different?

Please allow me to handle this one. The CDC changed the definition to from immunity to protection.

Social media is calling bluff on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for modifying its definition of the words “vaccine” and “vaccination” on its website. Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

Its literally the definition of the word "vaccination" now.

I told him that you said vaccines have never worked that way. and he insisted that Biden and others who tricked people into getting vaccinated with the "you wont get COVID if you get vaccinated" line are blameless due to things "changing".

Vaccines still are made principally to avoid getting the disease (not the infection, you seem confused about this). If anybody said this protection is perfect, will last for life and would not be affected by the variants then that person would be mistaken.

The experts from the very beginning said variants would change what was observed from the clinical trials, and that was why vaccinating as many people and as soon as possible was necessary. In this aspect things have definetely changed. Not the definition as you mistakenly claimed, but the efficacy of the vaccines against the variants, that is reduced (but still a much safer and better option than risking the infection without the vaccine).

BlacklabelToday  09:34 am JST

Please allow me to handle this one. The CDC changed the definition to from immunity to protection. 

*Social media is calling bluff on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for modifying its definition of the words “vaccine” and “vaccination” on its website. Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”*

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

Its literally the definition of the word "vaccination" now.

Incredible. Seems the legitimate medical authorities here are changing their "expert opinions" as this progresses.

because medically both terms have the same meaning, 

Then why was it necessary to change the definition if they mean the same thing?

Tom SanToday  09:27 am JST

The "experts" versus the heretics. 

Who's winning?

I think we all know the answer to that. And the "experts" aren't happy about it at all.

Shifting those goalposts so often must be tiring. Is there a vaccine that prevents hernias?

"live with it and go on with your life" WAS the correct answer from 2 years ago. not mandated vaccinations and shutting down the entire country.

Yes! Very well said.

Can’t believe that Operation Warp Speed gave us such shoddy vaccines. I bet whoever was in charge of that and took credit for it was a buffoon. Who was it again? Oh well, I can’t be bothered to look it up.

Express sisterToday  11:49 am JST

Can’t believe that Operation Warp Speed gave us such shoddy vaccines. I bet whoever was in charge of that and took credit for it was a buffoon. Who was it again? Oh well, I can’t be bothered to look it up.

The individual you're referring to isn't the one who has been hiding safety and effectiveness data.

Can’t believe that Operation Warp Speed gave us such shoddy vaccines

Seemed ok when Biden and Kamala tried to take credit for it though

I bet whoever was in charge of that and took credit for it was a buffoon.

https://nypost.com/2021/03/12/biden-slammed-for-taking-credit-for-vaccine-not-thanking-trump/

I am not the one to argue……

thaonephilToday  01:23 pm JST

Why I am not surprised to find out any article that has to deal with COVID and specially Fauci in particular will have the comment section chocked full with the usuals repeating the same fake news with the approval of the site. Nobody said the vaccines were perfect, or would protect to 100%. That is precisely the reason for the chance of wording from the CDC, to stop these people from fooling others into making the same mistakes they do.

No one making comments here said the "vaccines were perfect" or "would protect to 100%", so you are creating a different issue; i.e., off-topic.

Some people are repeating fake news though by stating the primary goal of vaccines is to limit the effects of the infection; but that is not true according to the experts, who state that the goal of vaccines is to prevent infections, and we are correcting such thoughts with verifiable sources.