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U.S. lawmakers rein in 'no-knock' warrant police raids

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By Carey L. Biron

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"We were supposed to raid Apartment 112, but we screwed up and raided 121 instead. This is a result of the occupant of 112 associating with criminals."

Then those cops should be liable to a certain degree, but getting rid of No knock warrants is the stupidest thing, but if you're a thug, this is going to make you ecstatic!

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bass: No, but if these people are around or associated with criminals

"We were supposed to raid Apartment 112, but we screwed up and raided 121 instead. This is a result of the occupant of 112 associating with criminals."

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"I follow the law, so that decreases the chances of the cops mistaking my address for someone else's."

I didn't know the two were connected. The more law abiding you are, the less of a chance Larry the cop will read the house numbers wrong.

Again, more left looney hypotheticals that I have no concern about never had them never will need to.

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So innocents that the police kill are nothing more than animals to you.

No, but if these people are around or associated with criminals or live where the criminal population is high then that is the chance people have to take if a thug is around or near the vicinity.

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I never think of that scenario because it wouldn't apply to me or anyone in my family, so....

So the above poster was right when you said that sweeping police power to brutalize people is fine with you because you don't think it will happen to you.

But what if it did?

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bass: I follow the law, so I don't anticipate that would ever happen to me 

"I follow the law, so that decreases the chances of the cops mistaking my address for someone else's."

I didn't know the two were connected. The more law abiding you are, the less of a chance Larry the cop will read the house numbers wrong.

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That's right. When the police broke into your house, beat you, broke your jaw, and traumatized your children, would you pat them on the back and say, "haha, no problem officer! Everyone makes mistakes!", or would you be upset?

I never think of that scenario because it wouldn't apply to me or anyone in my family, so....

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So we assume you would use them if a police tactical unit erroneously identified your address as a meth lab and used a no-knock warrant to raid it....

I follow the law, so I don't anticipate that would ever happen to me and even though I own guns, they would probably come in around 5 am when I'm at least expecting anything to happen, so they would get the drop on me first.

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Yes, but it doesn't happen every single day.

So they don't injure or kill innocents every single day, just every now and then. That's the key difference for you?

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No knock warrant is the long arm of a police state.

No, if I’m going into a dangerous situation where I or my team could lose their live and I’m going into an unfamiliar surrounding where the perpetrator has the element of surprise over me, I need to be able counter that. So I do believe in the raids vigorously.

You stated many times that you own weapons, and that you have those weapons to protect your property and intend to use them if someone unknown enters your property...

So we assume you would use them if a police tactical unit erroneously identified your address as a meth lab and used a no-knock warrant to raid it....

Blue Lives Matter?

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So it upsets you when cops make mistakes and shoot and kill innocents

Of course.

because they got the address wrong?

Yes, but it doesn't happen every single day. I believe cops should always have that element of surprise, but then again, the left never cares about crime anyway. Look at Portland, Chicago, Detroit, Philly, Baltimore and NYC now and LA creeping up. Again, 2022 can't come fast enough.

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bass: So I do believe in the raids vigorously.

I think what you're saying is, "I believe in protecting cops when they get it right, and if innocents are injured or killed when they get it wrong, that's fine since it most likely won't affect me."

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That has nothing to do with cops being allowed to go in unannounced if there is great suspicion or evidence that a dangerous suspect is hiding or refusing to come out especially if the warrant is issued by a court.

How does this apply to the Palma family? Was a member of the Palma family under great suspicion or was there evidence that a dangerous suspect was hiding or refusing to come out?

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Do you really believe that?

Absolutely.

I suppose you also believe all executed people were guilty of a crime.

No

No knock warrant is the long arm of a police state.

No, if I’m going into a dangerous situation where I or my team could lose their live and I’m going into an unfamiliar surrounding where the perpetrator has the element of surprise over me, I need to be able counter that. So I do believe in the raids vigorously.

The powers of the police should always be limited

I disagree, not when it comes to violent thugs

and decided by authorities other than them. Like cops putting their knee on a suspect for nine minutes and something and murdering them.

That’s different, that’s a rouge cop and no one supports actions like that.

Shooting dead an unarmed person.

Or the suspect shooting at a cop...shooting dead people...what?

Stopping someone because of the colour of their skin.

Or these politicians siding with criminals because of the color of their skin.

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bass4funk

If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.

Do you really believe that? I suppose you also believe all executed people were guilty of a crime.

No knock warrant is the long arm of a police state. The powers of the police should always be limited and decided by authorities other than them. Like cops putting their knee on a suspect for nine minutes and something and murdering them. Shooting dead an unarmed person. Stopping someone because of the colour of their skin.

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This obviously needs to end.

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This wasn’t the issue in discussion. You said, “If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.”

That is true in the majority of cases.

You were then demonstrated incorrect,

Not really, because the left wants to further limit the powers of the police, bad for minority communities

so pivoted to a different line of discussion instead of admitting you were incorrect.

If I could, I would.

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That has nothing to do with cops being allowed to go in unannounced if there is great suspicion or evidence that a dangerous suspect is hiding or refusing to come out especially if the warrant is issued by a court. I worry about the safety of the cops because this will make them sitting ducks. You need to not gloss over and allow your emotions to drive the conversation.

This wasn’t the issue in discussion. You said, “If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.” You were then demonstrated incorrect, so pivoted to a different line of discussion instead of admitting you were incorrect.

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The very first sentences of this article are about someone who had not committed a crime, was not the target of an investigation, and was not involved in or around illegal activities, and still had his home invaded and was beaten by police.

That has nothing to do with cops being allowed to go in unannounced if there is great suspicion or evidence that a dangerous suspect is hiding or refusing to come out especially if the warrant is issued by a court. I worry about the safety of the cops because this will make them sitting ducks. You need to not gloss over and allow your emotions to drive the conversation.

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IF there is imminent danger of a violent crime or terrorist act, I can see the need for a no-knock raid. But for simple drug crimes? Where is the time pressure?

Under Fourth Amendment jurisprudence, the time pressure comes form suspects flushing drugs. I’m not endorsing this line of thinking, just explaining what SCOTUS has said.

How about waiting until the suspects leave the premises and then arresting them?

They may not have evidence of a crime on their persons. Also, the evidence they may have is likely less than the amount sitting in the building they just exited.

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Shoot first...stupid google predictive text

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Strangerland

Very true. If you watch official body cam footage they really do stick to the old adage

" Shout 100 rounds first, ask questions later."

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So america is entering an age of knock knock police jokes

Knock knock

Who's there?

Police who?

Police open the door before we empty 50 rounds into this door.

Funny. But the reality is that the joke is this:

Knock knock

Whose there?

It's funny because we all know the police don't give them a chance to ask that before shooting them in the USA!

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So america is entering an age of knock knock police jokes

Knock knock

Who's there?

Police who?

Police open the door before we empty 50 rounds into this door.

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IF there is imminent danger of a violent crime or terrorist act, I can see the need for a no-knock raid. But for simple drug crimes? Where is the time pressure? How about waiting until the suspects leave the premises and then arresting them?

This idea that the raid is to protect evidence is laughable. I always thought the purpose of the "war on drugs" was to remove the drugs from the street. This is accomplished if the drugs are flushed down the toilet by the suspects just as much as if they were seized by law enforcement. And let's imagine the scenario- drug dealer has 2 kilos of coke ready to sell. Police raid. Dealer flushes the drugs. NOW the dealer has a bigger problem than the police! He has to pay whoever is higher up the criminal chain for the 2 kilos, and that person will NOT be gentle in getting their cash. That, or the dealer prepaid for the drugs and is now out the $50,000 he paid. Either way, a good result.

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If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.

The very first sentences of this article are about someone who had not committed a crime, was not the target of an investigation, and was not involved in or around illegal activities, and still had his home invaded and was beaten by police.

Please, before you comment, try to actually read the article.

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If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.

What bubble are you living in that you can write this when the Palma family written about in the article is clearly one example that proves your statement false.

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Before American cops knock on doors, the "qualified (cough) immunity" enjoyed by the boys in blue and their bosses needs to be knocked on the head. Their intolerable "Qualified Immunity" derived from an 1871 Reconstruction statute and tweaked and cemented into its modern version by a right-wing SCOTUS under Reagan is the root of the evil permitting impunity for the chain of command and the brutal "shoot first, ask questions later" policing that underlies the endless series of black lives lost to police incompetence while attempting to make "arrests".

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Black and Brown people were supposedly the primary offenders during the drug war, this is why they are still getting raided?

No. They were disproportionately targeted.

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If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.

Demonstrably false:

*Detective Chris Pope, who used a ram to break down the Rice family’s front door, was the first to realize police had served a no-knock warrant at the *wrong house.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article246637693.html

But Norris wasn’t the target of the raid. Deputies had the wrong man, and the wrong house.

*The no-knock search warrant signed by a Henry County magistrate was for the house next door. *

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.11alive.com/amp/article/news/investigations/the-reveal/henry-county-no-knock-warrant-wrong-house/85-3af2b307-8a6a-4f8c-8355-3ebe58a8c508

I could go on and on, but this demonstrates that it isn’t simply a matter of not doing anything illegal being a shield from having your door kicked in.

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wait, what?

Black and Brown people were supposedly the primary offenders during the drug war, this is why they are still getting raided?

this is the ACLU person talking?

"Because there was such heavy use of no-knock warrants in connection with the drug war, it's not surprising this tactic has been used disproportionately in Black and Brown communities," he said.

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If you don’t commit a crime or not a target of an investigation or not involved in or around illegal activities, you don’t need to worry about your door being caved in.

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I gotta say, If I’m back in the states and the cops break down the door in the middle of the night, someone is getting shot, likely me.

But that’s unlikely to happen as I’m white living in a predominantly white middle class neighborhood.

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The officers had been granted a "no-knock" warrant,

Insane.

A country that doesn't respect private property is a police state.

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