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He dismisses the need for public policy ideas,

__________________________________________ Trump may be brash and straightforward but he has also written entire books full of specific, well-thought and referenced ideas on economics, trade, foreign policy, education, and crime which is more than I can say about the writer of this article.

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"He dismisses the need for public policy ideas, gets confused about world affairs and sometimes says things that flat out aren’t true." and "Uniting them is a deep-rooted anger and frustration with the nation’s political leaders — " so, in other words just another GOP-Tea Newscast?

Poor Bubbles gushed . . . “He just keeps repeating things over and over again. And you all just accept it for the truth, and it’s not,” former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told reporters in New Hampshire on Thursday."

"“It is a totally new paradigm for how the race for president is unfolding,” Herman Cain, the former chief executive of Godfather’s Pizza said."

Bad news for rational Americans who rely on facts and respectful discussion to take effective action.

Guess the GOP-Tea letting a hooligan like Trump tramp the nation banging a pot on his head is good for Americans, they can see what a real lunatic brings to the dialogue.

So far Mr. Trump has informed Americans that Mexicans are murderers and women who have menstrual cycles aren't qualified to speak to Der Fuhrer Trump yah?! Nice bunch of friends these GOP-Teas have. Why are GOP-Teas always so sad?

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“It’s totally refreshing. He’s not politically correct. He has a backbone and he cannot be bought,” said Leigh Ann Crouse, 55, of Dubuque, Iowa.

It's totally refreshing. He calls Mexicans rapists, women bimbos, and most of his supporters think Obama wasn't even born in the United States.

For many, Trump’s rise is a reaction to Obama

I'm starting to see this more and more. Cruz legitimized this point of view when he refused to stand up to the Jade Helm crazies and instead used it as an opportunity to blame Obama for their crazy positions. If Obama weren't so radical, said Cruz, then there would be no need for people to stand up and protect us from a potential US military invasion of Texas.

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Most people are not extreme liberal or extreme conservative. They are not middle of the road on every issue either. They have some views that would be considered conservative while holding other views that may be considered liberal. That is the Trump base. The ads by Bush supporters calling him a Democrat only increases his appeal. His supporters don't believe the people in the other party are evil, in fact they may have at one time been in another party themselves. His supporters want to take the best from each party and make this country stronger. This will take compromise, negotiations, and vision while being incorruptible from the powers that be in both parties.

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That he is leading the polls speaks volumes about modern day America. It is quite possible that he could actually win. This is after all the same country that has elected actors to high posts, the occasional clown (who was first appointed) and gives air time to people like Sarah Palin. This is a bad joke to the rest of the world.

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kcjapan wrote: "Bad news for rational Americans who rely on facts and respectful discussion to take effective action. "

I think a more accurate statement would be bad news for the established political and business elite who may not able to rely on the status quo for much longer. Trump is not owned and owes nothing so he can do what he says.

"So far Mr. Trump has informed Americans that Mexicans are murderers and women who have menstrual cycles aren't qualified to speak to Der Fuhrer Trump yah?! Nice bunch of friends these GOP-Teas have. Why are GOP-Teas always so sad?"

I think it would be more accurate to say that he said a rather high percentage of Mexican illegal immigrants were criminals and this was one of the reasons that our borders needed secruing. He never said anything about mentrating women not being allowed to talk to him.

Trump is similar to Jesse Ventura of Minnesota. He was a nut but a nut with the right ideas. He told the Right that they had to pay their fair share of taxes and told the Left that they could not live off other people's taxes. The result of course was that the Democrats and the Repubicans find a way to work together blocked every Ventura initiative. Politicial power will always protect itself first. Now Trump comes along and he gets it; the immigration issue is the single most important issue facing America but business deals with China and wasting money on bases around the world is also important. Trump will deal with them. Clinton, Bush part III, Biden.....no, thanks. Been there, done that.

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"His supporters want to take the best from each party" . . . "This will take compromise, negotiations, and vision while being incorruptible" - comments on Trump's appeal

With all due respect, Trump has repeatedly shown he is incapable of dialogue on any subject.

The idea of casting Trump as Moses, saving the poor good Americans from the bad Americans, is good comedically; but Trump isn't a consensus builder. He's a delegator and self promoter. The goal is always Trump.

Trump isn't a leader, (he's the rat who ran from Vietnam but was so worried about a birth certificate); and now, for the less attentive, Trump doesn't deliver on anything that isn't Trump. If you hope to get something from Trump, you don't know Trump.

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He dismisses the need for public policy ideas, gets confused about world affairs and sometimes says things that flat out aren’t true.

In recent years, that's pretty common in Republican circles. I don't see this being a stumbling block for any of them within their own party, if it was, they'd all have to be passed over.

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"Trump is not owned and owes nothing so he can do what he says." - comments

This meme has been floated before. The 'he's his own man' theme. Somehow that is exactly what Trump represents, it's always got to be about Trump. Like most Casino owners Trump knows, Image is The Only Thing.

So as far as his own man goes? Trump isn't a planner, he's showman, and at the sideshow tents in Iowa Trump may look like some exotic fruit with his chopper rides for the kiddies.

But in kitchens across America, hearts and minds are turning from the easy racism of Trump. Many are realizing there's more to life than a TV show about your life . . . like Mr. Trump's current show about being President because he has no manners and can vent his inner bigot because he's so rich he's his own man? That TV show?

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**He dismisses the need for public policy ideas, gets confused about world affairs and sometimes says things that flat out aren’t true.

And the cheers from his supporters only grow louder.**

Has anyone here seen Mike Judge's 'Idiocracy' ?

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kcjapan wrote: "This meme has been floated before. The 'he's his own man' theme." Yes, I have been one of those floating it because I think it really matters.

"But in kitchens across America, hearts and minds are turning from the easy racism of Trump." This is an excellent point and one of the reasons Trump is surging. We average Americans are tired of politically correct and, more importantly, that anyone who disagrees with a person from the Left is a bigot or racist or misogynist. If you say the border needs to be policed then you're a bigot, etc. As Trump begins to say what more and more are thinking, it will be harder and harder for the Left to mistake silence for agreement.

" . . like Mr. Trump's current show about being President because he has no manners and can vent his inner bigot because he's so rich he's his own man? " Rather I think people see a person who will make his life WORSE by running for president and must be doing so for reasons other than money or fame. Think about it; what do the Bushes, Clintons, Reeds, Cantors, etc. do besides run for office? The answer is nothing! They NEED to be elected to keep their standard of living. Trump on the other hand has created things, lost them and recreated them. He doesn't need the job but seems to have a mission. Let's take a break from the non-stop clownery from donkeys and elephants and give him a chance.

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Trump isn't a planner, he's showman,

Do you know this from personal experience ? I don't know many entertainer billionaires. Trump certainly understands the human element and is more of a big picture visionary than a lawyer type but just FYI he has also pioneered tactics and strategies that have taken him to the top of the business world.structuring and completing some of the biggest real estate deals imaginable....

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Both Trump and Sanders are striking a chord with voters. One because he's racist, the other because he's fighting for the middle class.

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"Let's take a break from the non-stop clownery from donkeys and elephants and give him a chance." - comments

Trump's ham hand over the nuclear button?

Yeah, turn the nuclear keys over to a narcissist with messianic tendencies. Some seem awful certain this is their Jehovah and they're ready to put the nuclear keys in Trump's pocket.

Another sound idea brought to you by the GOP-Tea, "Where would YOU be without THEM?"

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"This guy’s at least saying what he believes.”

Just laughable.

“It is a totally new paradigm for how the race for president is unfolding,” Cain said."

Just scary.

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Everyone is complaining about trump, but is there really any other candidate in the GOP better? If there is name one. I for sure don't want another bush or Clinton in office. Of course he gave money to the clintons before but he addressed that and said he was just playing the game that all rich folk and lobbyist have to do because the average politician needs money to win and you want the winners on your side when it comes to making policy. He knows this but he doesn't need to be bought out. anyway if the dems thought trump was so bad for America then they should be cheering his rise but I think they realize he actually has a chance at beating any of the competition in the election.

All and all I think people are tired of politicians that pretend to be on both sides of every issue. I rather have someone talking straight so I know what I am actually disagreeing with.

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Trump is who he is and he is no man's puppet like all the politicians that waste trillions of US tax payers money on garbage. Trump is brash, he makes mistakes and so do all politicians but he does not cover up his mistakes and illegal BS like the rest of the pack. I would like to see at least one term of what Trump can do and then lets judge all his predecessors on their merits in office.

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Both Trump and Sanders are striking a chord with voters. One because he's racist, the other because he's fighting for the middle class.

Racist against illegals ? Because Trump is getting 25-30+% of the black vote compared to less than 5% for Sanders.

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He dismisses the need for public policy ideas, gets confused about world affairs and sometimes says things that flat out aren’t true. And the cheers from his supporters only grow louder.

There shouldn't be any sort of surprise here. The GOP base was "fired up" and practically wetting itself at the meteoric rise of the imbecilic Sarah Palin, after all, and we've got supporters of constitutional County Clerk Kim Davis treating her husband's declaration, "I’m an old redneck hillbilly, that’s all I’ve got to say," as momentous an arrangement of thought as "We hold these truths to be self evident..."

I mean, we've got deep thinking voters who provide gems like this one: "People compare Mr. Trump to (corrupt, authoritarian, ex-KGB populist) Putin. There’s something to be said about the man, who takes care of the Russian people.”

For *ck's sake, there are Americans -- scratch that -- there are 'Muricun's who read stuff like this and think, "Hell yeah! What he said!!"*

Here's the uncomfortable truth, folks: Smiley handshakes and down-home hokum, tough talk and building a reputation on the principle of "You're fired!" are NOT what it takes to govern a sleepy hamlet much less a nation of 300 million people.

Nor is basing your entire governing philosophy on how well you can outsource your responsibilities. Intelligence, integrity, education, the ability to empathize: These are the hallmarks of a good leader. Trump possesses these qualities in very limited amounts.

And yet, this asshat still somehow manages to garner increasing support...

Lawyer, diplomat, and philosopher Joseph de Maistre put it best: People get the government they deserve.

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I find it quite amusing that both the Dumocraps and Neo-CON-publicrats feel threatened by the farce that is Trump.

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Rather him than Hilary, I say. Even though he is a nutjob. although if we look back at the past couple of decades its not like being deranged and doing outright dumb and sometimes awful things is an impediment to being US president.

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Criticism aside, do the Republicans have anyone better?

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Until the RNC calls him out on the pronouncements hes made and explains that these views are not representative of their party (ahem..) , Ill consider them fellow travellers. If Trump is the stone around the neck of the GOP thats dragging it to the bottom, its up to the leadership to cut him loose. Its difficult to imagine him polling well enough in the general election to seriously damage a viable GOP candidate - their fears are misplaced, and they need him out of the primaries because hes sucking all the air from the room. Forcing him to run as a third party early on will diminsh his enthusiasm as his free airtime is lost and the bills come due.

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Trump will win, and the greedy party lined people will smear, hate and demonstrate the like in any way they can. Democrats, Republicans etc... Need to grow up.

I'm not a favorite of Trump, but it seems he is breaking both parties traditional routine of ruling the country for their party, and not for the people.

I'll bet you that hardly any of you have read the constitution, and could care less if you did or not, seeing some of the posts I've read. Your lack of 'taking time to read' is showing.

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"Criticism aside, do the Republicans have anyone better?"

I think the same thing could be asked of the Democrats.

"Its difficult to imagine him polling well enough in the general election to seriously damage a viable GOP candidate - their fears are misplaced, and they need him out of the primaries because hes sucking all the air from the room.."

If Trump is as bad as suggested then it seems logical that the Republicans should want him in the debates because he makes the other candidates look better. The opposite seems to be happening.

"Forcing him to run as a third party early on will diminsh his enthusiasm as his free airtime is lost and the bills come due."

I don't think so. On the contrary if Trump runs as a third party candidate I think it might destroy the Republicans' chances in the election and may even get him elected as large numbers of Democrats and Independents are not thrilled with either Hillary or Sanders (although he is beginning to surge in the polls). You can see it in the comments on this thread; Trump scares the living beejeezus out of the establishment.

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"Criticism aside, do the Republicans have anyone better?"

I think the same thing could be asked of the Democrats.

"Its difficult to imagine him polling well enough in the general election to seriously damage a viable GOP candidate - their fears are misplaced, and they need him out of the primaries because hes sucking all the air from the room.."

If Trump is as bad as suggested then it seems logical that the Republicans should want him in the debates because he makes the other candidates look better. The opposite seems to be happening.

I don't think so. On the contrary if Trump runs as a third party candidate I think it might destroy the Republicans' chances in the election and may even get him elected as large numbers of Democrats and Independents are not thrilled with either Hillary or Sanders (although he is beginning to surge in the polls). You can see it in the comments on this thread; Trump scares the living beejeezus out of the establishment.

Best post so far, you absolutely hit it out of the park. Totally and 110% agreed!

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Trump recently signed a "pledge" (Republicans love those) saying he will support whomever is the eventual GOP candidate and will not run as a 3rd party candidate. Lord only knows what the RNC offered him to get him to sign something like that, but my guess is that they promised to stop working against him. It was starting to look bad with the GOP establishment working with Fox News to discredit the leading GOP candidate.

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Fed-up and angry Republicans let Trump defy political gravity

I am at a loss to think of anything Republicans have to be fed up and angry about except their Republican leaders who have largely succeeded in their goal of creating gridlock and refusing to compromise on anything. Isn't that what the constituents wanted? I don't know. Maybe they are mad because their leaders failed to block gay marriage? As if they stood a chance in that unAmerican goal anyway.

Are they mad because abortion is still legal? As if they are going to get away with forcing women to become human incubators again anyway!

Those supporting Trump saying that he speaks his mind seem to have forgotten one very important thing; the president is supposed to represent America, not himself. I don't much care what the president thinks. I want him to follow what the American people think, unless he has good reason to do differently when the American people are wrong (and they so often are).

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SuperLib: Trump recently signed a "pledge" (Republicans love those) saying he will support whomever is the eventual GOP candidate and will not run as a 3rd party candidate.

Why do you emphasize "Republicans"?

Wasn't it Obama who agreed to accept only federally-provided campaigning funds, and then when his campaign took off and he no longer needed to rely on them, did an about-face and accepted funds from anyone?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-poised-to-turn-down-public-financing/

April 9, 2008, 5:43 PM Obama Poised To Turn Down Public Financing

Obama didn't always feel this way. Last March, Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the candidate would "aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." Obama also told the Midwest Democracy Network, in a questionnaire, that he would participate in the system, writing that he had proposed a system in which "both major party candidates...agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election."

The Obama campaign has since suggested that Obama never vowed to take public financing, with Burton stating on Feb. 17 of this year that "there is no pledge." But McCain has hammered Obama for what he says is a clear case of the senator potentially breaking his promise.

"We both made a commitment to take public financing. There's nothing to talk about. We either keep our word or we don't keep our word," McCain said in New York Wednesday.

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he has also pioneered tactics and strategies that have taken him to the top of the business world.structuring and completing some of the biggest real estate deals imaginable....

Actually, if he'd simply dumped the money his father had given him in the mid-70's into a mutual fund, he'd be worth about as much as he is now.

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Thanks bass4funk. I checked and SuperLib is right that Trump signed a "no third party" pledge. Cris Christy also signed one which has me wondering about the possibility of a Trump/Christy ticket. Still early though.....

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Trump recently signed a "pledge" (Republicans love those) saying he will support whomever is the eventual GOP candidate and will not run as a 3rd party candidate. Lord only knows what the RNC offered him to get him to sign something like that, but my guess is that they promised to stop working against him. It was starting to look bad with the GOP establishment working with Fox News to discredit the leading GOP candidate.

What cracks me up is that you guys are angry and completely besides yourselves because the Conservative base is regenerated, enthused and are on a strong comeback, meanwhile the Queen of mean most likely won't receive her coronation....again, Bernie is NOT going to win and you might have to take a chance on ol' Joe and there is NO sure win with that either. As I said, I'm not a Trump supporter, but the people are sick and f** tired of both parties and especially 7 years of a disastrous, unilateralist, progressive ideologue, that has ruined the country and the people are going with anyone who is NOT connected to Washington and Trump, Carson and Florino are the candidates that they like and it is very refreshing. Too early to write anything in stone, but if you think Hillary or any of the other Dems have a shot, could be, but it's not going to be easy for them. Most of the dirt poor are definitely going for Sanders, he does draw huge crowds, but everyone else is going to either Trump or Carson, there are even some Dems that are going for Trump, independents as well.

I am at a loss to think of anything Republicans have to be fed up and angry about except their Republican leaders who have largely succeeded in their goal of creating gridlock and refusing to compromise on anything.

Just like the Democrats did when they were in control. I too, was at a loss.

Isn't that what the constituents wanted? I don't know. Maybe they are mad because their leaders failed to block gay marriage? As if they stood a chance in that unAmerican goal anyway.

It should have been left up to each State to decide and vote on the issue and NOT for the Supreme court to get involved.

Are they mad because abortion is still legal? As if they are going to get away with forcing women to become human incubators again anyway!

No, they are mad at these doctors that are making money chopping up babies and selling body parts, but at the same time, don't want anyone to know about it and if what they are doing in that regard is good and ethical, then why not be transparent? Why hide from the public?

Those supporting Trump saying that he speaks his mind seem to have forgotten one very important thing; the president is supposed to represent America, not himself.

Please, please tell that to Obama!!!!

I don't much care what the president thinks. I want him to follow what the American people think, unless he has good reason to do differently when the American people are wrong (and they so often are).

Then I guess you either want Trump or Carson.

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gaijin6000,

party lined

I believe the term you're searching for is "party aligned."

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SuperLib: Trump recently signed a "pledge" (Republicans love those) saying he will support whomever is the eventual GOP candidate and will not run as a 3rd party candidate. Lord only knows what the RNC offered him to get him to sign something like that, but my guess is that they promised to stop working against him. It was starting to look bad with the GOP establishment working with Fox News to discredit the leading GOP candidate.

bass: What cracks me up is that you guys are angry and completely besides yourselves because the Conservative base is regenerated, enthused and are on a strong comeback

Actually I was just asking what the RNC offered Trump to change his position. What are the reporters in the bubble saying? Trump made it clear in the very first debate that he would stand alone and not rule out a 3rd party run. Now he's signing pledges. What changed?

If you plan on talking about Clinton that's fine; I can't stop you. But I really am curious as to how the conservative media is presenting his change of heart.

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"If you plan on talking about Clinton that's fine; I can't stop you. But I really am curious as to how the conservative media is presenting his change of heart."

@SuperLib. I'm not an insider by any stretch of imagination but I suspect that the Republican party is coming to terms with the likelihood that if a Democrat is elected in 2016 and amnesty is granted to all of the illegal aliens and the anchor baby provision is not changed then the Republican party will not win another election for decades. While both parties want illegal immigration (the Democracts want the votes, the Republicans want to keep the businesses who need the cheap labor happy) the Republicans have much more to lose than to gain if amnesty is granted. I also think the majority of the US is tired of the trouble coming from an unsecure border and wants more than lip service. This is one reason why Trump is so hot now. He certainly has my vote.

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Give me 24/7 media coverage, and I too, will be the front runner ! Do the math folks, if thirty some percent are supporting Trump, than sixty some percent are not ! He will not get the GOP nod ! ! !

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The US American posters on this site make the US sound like a terrible place filled with bitter people who can’t handle differences of opinion. I’ve read posters say that since the ‘Kenyan’ (who apparently wasn’t born in the US) became president the US is no longer a democracy. That must be frightening - just like North Korea.

Many of the writers use what I learnt in school were false analogies, straw men arguments and red herrings instead of actually discussing issues. And many writers lead their arguments by name calling. Curious, since when is ‘progressive’ a pejorative? For that matter, since when are ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ pejoratives?

The fact that so many of you are proud gun toters makes me glad I don’t have to live there. But then I’m sure you’re also glad I don’t live there because as a human I have many opinions and like to be in places where I can express them. But if the US is no longer a democracy I guess that’s not possible. Too bad. I loved visiting the US southwest.

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Actually I was just asking what the RNC offered Trump to change his position.

The RNC could have thrown up multiple road-blocks to his participation in state contests, and waffling on the question would have given Trump's competitors a large opening. A better question would be, what does the RNC gain? Trump pledged allegiance "to the Republican Party and the conservative principals for which it stands" - giving him a very wide loophole if he deems a nominee other than himself does not represent these principals. This "pledge" is not legally binding, after all.

if thirty some percent are supporting Trump, than sixty some percent are not !

Not saying he's gonna win, but his staying power has already astonished many "experts." Again, the crucial point is that it is not Trump himself (as much as he'd like to think so); it's his supporters. If he does fall by the wayside, that they'd be attracted to a "mainstream" candidate like Bush is unlikely. I'd still place my money on the Jebster, but it is going to be a long, painful, and damaging path for him, or for whoever manages to survive this GOP clusterf^<k.

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Trump could conceivably win the GOP ticket (though I doubt it), but there is no way he could win the presidency. There may be a lot of anger in America, but that's not enough to carry an election. Trump has a disdain for specific and/or realistic policy ideas. Come November of next year and he's still around that's going to matter. There aren't enough voters willing to risk their vote on an egotistical blowhard bigot.

So let's just enjoy the circus while it's in town.

the possibility of a Trump/Christy ticket

That'd be perfect. Then they can do their bad cop / bad cop routine at press conferences.

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samwaters: I'm not an insider by any stretch of imagination but I suspect that the Republican party is coming to terms with the likelihood that if a Democrat is elected in 2016 and amnesty is granted to all of the illegal aliens and the anchor baby provision is not changed then the Republican party will not win another election for decades

That's because in their resistance to change, they've pretty much given up on the Latino vote. The votes are there if you want them. Bush got them. Holding a vote on a bipartisan immigration bill that had the votes to pass would have gone a long way as well, but Boehner did not want a target on his back for the fringe Right so he refused to allow a vote. It's exactly what they GOP needed but they sabotaged themselves.

Rubio had a moment of honesty and created a plan for immigration and got hammered by his own party so bad that he completely reversed his position. Cantor was ejected because of it. Bush is closer to the center and look at the criticism he's taking. Those on the fringe right who oppose everything refuse to come up with a plan of their own because there's no way to please the base and win the Latino vote so they just snipe from the sidelines. Just like 50+ votes to repeal Obamacare and 0 votes to replace it. That pretty much sums up the GOP today.

Laguna: The RNC could have thrown up multiple road-blocks to his participation in state contests,

Yep, I heard they said you could not participate in one of the state elections (can't remember which one) unless you singed that document.

Let freedom ring.

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Big appeal of Mr Trump: For the past 30+ yrs, politicians have, bit by bit sold out our country. Living wage for anyone willing and able to work...thing of the past. Stay at home and raise the kids moms...thing of the past. The list goes on and on. Trust a politician(?)...you must be joking!

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Isn't Trump for rebuilding USA in terms of jobs? That means improved and re-employed middle class.

Sanders wants to increase the wealth taxes. Doesn't that reduce job growth? Offshore sheltering? Benefits nobody?

Trump is a flash in the pan, he has started to fade already. I will defend the man from previous posts. He is no more racist or sexist than Hillary is. Illegal immigration IS out of control. Trump simply wants to start with that. Taking his statements out of context is just too easy and they are not entirely fabrications! Sexist! C-mon, show me the proof.

Keep in mind, both parties are digging and digging to bury Trump. Racial and sexist behavior has patterns. Nothing yet!

The DNC has nothing to offer in Hillary who may end up under arrest! Sanders has a grand plan with no dollars to support it. Definitely not for the middle class as they would be pinched the most under Sanders.

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"That's because in their resistance to change, they've pretty much given up on the Latino vote. The votes are there if you want them. Bush got them. Holding a vote on a bipartisan immigration bill that had the votes to pass would have gone a long way as well, but Boehner did not want a target on his back for the fringe Right so he refused to allow a vote. It's exactly what they GOP needed but they sabotaged themselves."

To the best of my knowledge all of the plans offered to fix immigration offered amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. That would be tantamount to giving the country away. I am all immigration but it must be legal and it must be controlled. This does not make me a racists nor a bigot but a concerned citizen. We tried the amnesty program once in the late 60's early 70's and were promised that immigration would be fixed if amnesty was granted. Amnesty was granted, immigration wasn't and we are not going to be fooled again. Trump may be a flash in the pan but he understands the problem.

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He is like every other politician:

Trying to make himself richer.

Lying whenever he speaks

Putting his friends in powerful jobs

But at least we know all of this from him and he won't be polite in calling a spade a spade - other politicians won't get a polite smile for lying too.

Mr. Trump is a joke, but maybe he will get the other 535 politicians in D.C. to pay attention. Who knows? The 'merican people hate every politician from every other state, except theirs. These people are supposed to decide what is best for the country, not just one congressional district. Since the early 1960s, I don't think that has been happening.

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@theFu. "He is like every other politician: Trying to make himself richer. Lying whenever he speaks Putting his friends in powerful jobs"

Proof, please? Or are you just a blowhard ?

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Trump is a lot of things, and one of the things he isn't is a politician. For good reason, Americans are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, the long-winded speeches and promises to improve the economy, fix healthcare, deal with immigration, and so on. And of course none of these promises are ever kept, and we always hear the same excuse, "the other party refuses to work with us to resolve these problems". And of course that is the strategy they use. When it comes time to be reelected after 4 or 6 years of doing nothing, our politicians blame the other party, and make more promises which are kept no better than the previous promises were.

And what about our presidents? For the most part they are impotent puppets which are selected by the powers-that-be for their good appearance, clean backgrounds, and ability to be manipulated. Look at who we have running in either party, most are career politicians who tell their constituents the truth by happenstance. Their constituents may be liberal or conservative, but these politicians themselves don't give a rat's a$$ about the ideology of their voters, they simply say whatever words to whatever group of people that will get them elected.

After decades of lies and BS, many people are willing to vote for anyone who isn't part of the machine. Many here think it would be a joke to vote for Trump, and a tragedy for him to become president. But every president we have had for decades has been a tragedy, and every vote for them was indeed a joke.

People think that when they vote they actually control who is going to be their president, nothing could be further from the truth. The candidates are chosen by the powers-that-be behind Washington, they choose who the people will vote for, and regardless of who wins, the winner will be bound to those who got him the nomination, and the winner will have to serve them before he serves the people.

Who the hell is Barack Obama? He was not qualified to manage a supermarket. He is a man who has never worked at a real job in his life. He has never been in the military, he had no experience at all in economics, he was a law professor, but never argued a single case in a courtroom. As a senator, he never sponsored a single pieces of legislation. He applied for his first US passport when he ran for president, so he had absolutely no experience in foreign travel or diplomacy. Shooting hoops he got one basket in 20 throws, when throwing the opening pitch at a baseball game, he couldn't get the ball over the plate. He spent more time on the golf course in his first 8 months in office than GWB spend in 8 years. How did this inexperienced and unworldly man became president?

And what about Bush? He was as poorly qualified as Obama. Yet another loafer with enough credentials but absolutely no substance, easily manipulated, and almost hopelessly in over his head. How the hell did he get elected?

Clinton? Bush the first, Reagan, Carter? Nixon? Johnson? Kennedy? The only two outsiders we have had in living memory are Eisenhower and Ford. These were probably the best men which America has had in office in our lifetimes. Eisenhower warned us against the military industrial complex before the Vietnam war (no one knew it better than he did), Ford was a complete outsider, an unelected appointee who became president when Nixon and Agnew resigned. Of all the presidents we have had in my life, he is the only one who could be called "a good man". But unfortunately, we are not supposed to have good men as president, and he was turned out to be replaced by the second worst buffoon who has ever worked in the Oval Office.

I hate the democrat party, and I hate the republican party, I hate them both equally because, regardless of what you believe, they are one and the same. The two-party system exists only to divide the voters into two sides, and create pointless issues to get them at each other's necks. And while republican and democrat voters are arguing vehemently about irrelevancies, their elected officials and corporate sponsors loot the system.

In all of the last elections I have voted against incumbents, regardless of their party, as I will do in the next election as well. But given the choice between Hillary and another Bush, Trump will get my vote.

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Gee, sangetsu, it's amazing the US even made it to the 21st century! Now, nobody likes politics for the same reason that nobody likes to hear how sausages are made, but most everyone likes the results. Go ahead and be an old curmudgeon if you'd like, but I'd say things are less screwed up than they used to be - and that precisely allows the squeaky wheels to make their justifiable complaints. What we're seeing from the GOP is simply reactionism.

Relax - as bad as American democracy is, it could be worse (reference: most any other country).

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The hateful, angry, tired, racist, backward, delusional republicans have found their man at long last. He is a sham but since really the republicans are only driven by one thing, anger towards others, and trump has captured that. This is why evangelicals support trump even though he is married three times and does not really buy into the God fantasy.

On this board the normal republican trolls took the party line that trump as just a summer fling. Summer is over and trump is still number one. They have their racist, immoral, empty, blowhard, angry leader and they love him. The whole republican party is a farce, not far removed from the KKK really. David Duke of the KKK also loves Trump, he endorsed him recently, as do all the white racist groups in the USA.

Republicans use to try and say they were not racists but now of course they cannot. Racist to the core as I have stated many times often with my posts removed by the mods for being too harsh. Once again, liberals have described reality long before most have been able to see the truth. LIke of course with the failed Iraq war. Trump, to his credit on this point at least, has called the war a huge mistake and blamed as he should the bush family for it.

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Trump's extremely good poll numbers represent the total rejection of the elitist political class from We the People. They hate him, just like they hate us . . . .

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This just in: Obama has just ordered companies that do business with the government to provide paid sick leave for their employees, requiring companies that have federal contracts to allow workers seven days of paid sick leave each year. This comes after Obama used his executive authority to raise the minimum wage to $10.10 for workers in companies that contract with the federal government and expanded overtime pay protections for all private-sector workers (that old "you're a manager" excuse no longer works unless you actually manage).

Happy Labor Day.

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Laguna, some of those companies are small family run. Do you think they will either push the employees harder or discontinue government contracts? Using executive authority sounds a bit of an isolationist. Revert to Trump, he claims to negotiate and make a deal. I think all citizens prefer that method. Totalitarianism has failed the world over time and time again.

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samwaters: To the best of my knowledge all of the plans offered to fix immigration offered amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants. That would be tantamount to giving the country away. I am all immigration but it must be legal and it must be controlled.

We have the same goal, but there are two schools of thought. One is that you can find and deport 11,000,000 illegals. The other is that such a plan is logistically impossible so you should bring them into the fold and get them paying. I'm a fan of the latter because I don't think the former has any reasonable chance of succeeding and it will just push more people underground.

In the bipartisan bill, illegals would be required to undergo background checks, forego benefits, pay back taxes, and go through a process that takes about 15-20 years to complete. I've talked to a lot of Republicans and I just don't think they get that. They get hammered over and over with the word "amnesty" and assume people are showing up and receiving green cards and health insurance. Some Republicans have come out with statements supporting pathways to citizenship and they have paid dearly which is why the immigration issue is dead within the GOP.

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I hate the democrat party, and I hate the republican party, I hate them both equally because, regardless of what you believe, they are one and the same.

Right ON! Thank you for writing what I don't have the patience for anymore.

Nader was the last person running for president I had any hopes for. So, to all you who have already, or are gonna, LABEL me, you're wrong. Twisted by the MSM/political game of division and party politics. I voted for Obama for his first term, but he lost me when he revealed himself as nothing more than a corporate puppet and sided with the insurance companies. What a sell out.

Universial health care is coming to the US, be it 2 years or 20 years, it's coming. Nader was very clear about that. I have no faith in Sanders as he IS a politician.

The alarm clock's been going off for 30 years now. Time to WAKE UP!

Go TRUMP!!

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MarkG: Laguna, some of those companies are small family run.

Laws like this have provisions for small business which usually exempts them. I believe with this law it's 11 or more employees. Other laws have different criteria.

For bigger companies, if 7 days paid sick leave for 1 year of work is too much of a burden then good riddance. Companies in other developed nations offer that and a lot more, so perhaps we should open the doors to them and let them compete for government contracts since they are obviously more efficient than we are.

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It really is not as surprising as it seems. The vast majority of America knows the political class is full of incompetent parasites driven by greed for other peoples money. After 7 years of an idiot community organizer creating great recessions, wars and turning America into a joke, nearly anyone not from Obama's Marxist islamo support ideology can win. We Americans at least barely survived the community organizer, billionaire running the country is not all that outlandish. Besides we all know a community organizer is absolutely one who must live off the plight of others and is bought and paid for. A billionaire with nothing to lose, to need for government to gain and isn't beholden to backers, really does sound like the best choice

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Super....Laws like this have provisions for small business which usually exempts them. I believe with this law it's 11 or more employees. Other laws have different criteria. - key word, "usually".

For bigger companies, if 7 days paid sick leave for 1 year of work is too much of a burden then good riddance. - so, send even more offshore? National suicide in my view. No wonder Trump has them going, he wants more jobs for Americans. Companies in other developed nations offer that and a lot more, so perhaps we should open the doors to them and let them compete for government contracts since they are obviously more efficient than we are. -What about OSHA and EPA standards?

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How again will Trump create more jobs for US Americans when his own companies send jobs overseas? People actually want to believe this hypocrite who distorts truths - like all the politicians people have mentioned above?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/07/03/trump-clothing-line-made-in-china-and-mexico/

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Of course Trump is a hypocrite. But, a liberals post above want enven more jobs overseas. Liberals seem to think money grows on trees. A strong tax base can support a strong nation. A weak tax base such as we have now, we are weak and digging deeper in debt. And at the rate USA is accepting illegal immigrants of which a recent poll claims 70% receive entitlements of some sort or another w/o paying taxes is national suicide.

Remember each 'legal' immigrant has family members waiting in line to join them legally. In two decades homegrown USA citizens will be a thing of the past.

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Mark, what I want is balance between workers and business owners. Obviously you feel 7 days of sick pay per year is too much. What would you like that number to be?

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For bigger companies, if 7 days paid sick leave for 1 year of work is too much of a burden then good riddance.** - so, send even more offshore?

So basically the companies are saying 'we will make profits whether it's as the expense of our own workers/people, or the expense of workers/people in some 3rd world country we'll outsource to'.

Real great ethic there.

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The hateful, angry, tired, racist, backward, delusional republicans have found their man at long last.

Carson is a racist??? Rubio and Cruz as well???

He is a sham but since really the republicans are only driven by one thing, anger towards others, and trump has captured that. This is why evangelicals support trump even though he is married three times and does not really buy into the God fantasy.

You guys have an angry old woman that's the worst liar ever, even Nixon was more convincing and you have socialist running for president and you think the GOP has problems!??

On this board the normal republican trolls took the party line that trump as just a summer fling. Summer is over and trump is still number one. They have their racist, immoral, empty, blowhard, angry leader and they love him. The whole republican party is a farce, not far removed from the KKK really. David Duke of the KKK also loves Trump, he endorsed him recently, as do all the white racist groups in the USA.

Ahhh, I think you're just spiteful because the Dems are putting everyone to sleep, not to mention, people are getting tired of not having real jobs.

Republicans use to try and say they were not racists but now of course they cannot.

Prove it! By the way, the Dems are supporting a radical racist group like the Black Lives Matters, how do you feel about that? Debbie Wasserman Schultz condemned the Tea Party and defined it as a racist group, even though they had a lot of Black and people that started a movement against Obama's and Washington's reckless spending, that's somehow racist, but the BLM chanting and wanting to "kill, fry" cops is ok with you?

Racist to the core as I have stated many times often with my posts removed by the mods for being too harsh.

Dems and libs have played...NO overplayed the race card, keeping millions of minorities on the government nipple, income redistribution, not preaching self-reliance, if anyone is the true racist, it's Dems all the way. Funny, most Conservative Blacks or Hispanics I know are totally well off and many business owners, and the liberal ones frugal, often problems with money or unemployed, or just not moving up in their lives

Once again, liberals have described reality long before most have been able to see the truth.

So why can they not see the humongous failure and lunacy of their own party the DNC?

LIke of course with the failed Iraq war. Trump, to his credit on this point at least, has called the war a huge mistake and blamed as he should the bush family for it.

Well, Trump was always historically a Liberal.

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@SuperLib. Your well-thought response to my post regarding illimigration is proof that both sides can work together on this issue. While I have little tolerance for law-breaking (especially in this case as it undermines our sovereignty as a country) I recognize mass deportations are difficult, but not impossible. First, I want the border closed/policed. Then the illiegals must come forward and they must begin the process of paying back taxes, fines, etc. They must also not be allowed to vote and the 14th Amendment (intended to offer some condolence to former slaves ) must be clarified to end the anchor baby practice. If these conditions can be met I am willing to look at a path to permanent residence. I still believe that Trump is the only current cadidate for president who will do that.

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Go Trump! Get the career politicians out.

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"Trump may be brash and straightforward but he has also written entire books full of specific, well-thought and referenced ideas on economics, trade, foreign policy, education, and crime "

Ghost writers. Staff. If you watch his shows, which have been very heavily edited, you can see that the man cannot possibly have even a coherent world view, let alone one lit by insight. His well-heeled and well-educated daughter can hardly form sentences. All that nurture could not overcome ... that (art) nature.

Take away the editing and makeup, and what is left is pretty well what you see on a stage, but keep in mind that such appearances have been scripted, so you still are not getting the real Trump. He is not qualitatively different from other politicians, he is just better at fooling people. All that time other politicians have spent actually serving in public office, Trump was working on his delivery.

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