Europe tries to muscle up as U.S. plots mediation to help end Russia's war in Ukraine

Europe is going to have to tell Trump his garbage Putin plan is unacceptable. If Trump can't manage to contribute something of use, he and his minions should stay home.

Well, Trump of all people should know how well negotiating without the primary party in any combat situation will eventually work out. Just ask the former Afghani government how well that went for them with the Taliban?

If Trump can't manage to contribute something of use, he and his minions should stay home.

How dare he try to bring peace to the region. The best plan is to throw American money at Ukraine for an unwinnable war.

“Don’t underestimate Trump as a negotiator. I genuinely believe that Putin is baffled and afraid what might be coming from there," Stubb said.

Let me stress that I am not a fan of Trump but this is spot on. So many have made the mistake of underestimating this man before.

While the Russians may be jumping for joy right now, I believe that they too are misreading the situation and we may all be surprised over the coming weeks.

KnightsOfCydoniaToday 07:33 am JST

“Don’t underestimate Trump as a negotiator. I genuinely believe that Putin is baffled and afraid what might be coming from there," Stubb said.

Let me stress that I am not a fan of Trump but this is spot on. So many have made the mistake of underestimating this man before.

While the Russians may be jumping for joy right now, I believe that they too are misreading the situation and we may all be surprised over the coming weeks.

How many of Trump's "successes" in life came from people enabling the emperor with no clothes?

Seth MajerToday 07:23 am JST

If Trump can't manage to contribute something of use, he and his minions should stay home.

How dare he try to bring peace to the region. The best plan is to throw American money at Ukraine for an unwinnable war.

If it keeps Ukraine from being ruled by savages, sure.

The war will end because of Trump, and during this Trump administration,

iknowallToday 07:49 am JST

The war will end because of Trump, and during this Trump administration,

You might be right but will it end without Trump being massively humiliated as the first president to increase the size of russia and reduce American influence in 80 years?

putin has lost as many troops in his ukrainian invasion folly than the u.s. lost in world war ii. he’s in no position of strength.

telling him to withdraw and call it a victory is how the negotiation should be framed.

Trump being massively humiliated as the first president to increase the size of russia and reduce American influence in 80 years?

Russia's size increased under Biden. This is not Trump's war, he's not the one being humiliated.

If it keeps Ukraine from being ruled by savages, sure.

It currently is.

I'm no historian by a long shot, but I don't think most people had "the next major international conflict / crisis will have Europe on one side and the US and Russia together on the other" on their bingo cards.

nightsOfCydonia

“Don’t underestimate Trump as a negotiator. I genuinely believe that Putin is baffled and afraid what might be coming from there," Stubb said.

Let me stress that I am not a fan of Trump but this is spot on. So many have made the mistake of underestimating this man before.

Hell no. Trump’s negotiations on Afghanistan were a disaster and we see how that turned out. And he is making the same mistakes again.

Trump needs to talk to his allies in NATO and Ukraine before he talks to Putin.

And I normally agree with Stubb, but I don’t here. Maybe a touch too optimistic.

iknowall

The war will end because of Trump, and during this Trump administration,

Bold prediction.

Can we all agree on one crucial, no less not underestimate critical priority, the sovereignty of Ukraine, its people. Ukraine future could now be inextricably, indistinguishable even from Europe's.

Start for this point of reference, politically diplomatically.

EU/UK, the consequences of decades of foolish posturing selfish vested interests have finally, some would suggest soon to be subjected to fatally be manifested with a Russian Federation, its economy on a war footing overrunning Ukraine without US milltary aid.

Europe has one last chance, stand its ground supply Ukraine its President with every advanced long range missile system, heavy artillery, offer promise full navy, air support, troops even and stand along side, no more cowardly white flag excuses Ukraine , its people.

That is the only way to side-line Donald Trump, nothing less.

Grow a flipping spine, only action will show leadership now

Wick's pencilToday 08:26 am JST

Trump being massively humiliated as the first president to increase the size of russia and reduce American influence in 80 years?

Russia's size increased under Biden.

Not to Odessa it didn't.

This is not Trump's war, he's not the one being humiliated.

This remains Putin's War. Trump will be humiliated for not even attempting to prosecute it.

If it keeps Ukraine from being ruled by savages, sure.

It currently is.

Absolute nonsense: Ukraine didn't invade anybody not already at war with them.

Do you honestly understand what is at stake here?

Only a united Europe arms not just linked, but welded together in total agreement will send out the ultimatum to Trump, its ours to own with Ukraine.

Or have another emergency “working meeting”. That will inveterately lead to the whole of Europe's humiliation capitulation.

Seth MajerToday 07:23 am JST

How dare he try to bring peace to the region.

Peace is very much desired.

But peace on the aggressor's terms, allowing it to keep the areas it stole, and facing no repercussions for its murders, rapes, torture, destruction, and child abduction is not.

Trump styles himself as a great negotiator, but he has already caved to Russia's terms before negotiations have even begun. His efforts are not "peace," but "appeasement," and as we've seen throughout history: appeasing dictators simply does not work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

You might be right but will it end without Trump being massively humiliated as the first president to increase the size of russia and reduce American influence in 80 years?

Careful now. Trump will also be the reason why Taiwan doesn't get absorbed into China in the next 4 years. Don't bite the hand that feeds you

Dig deep, revive the Attlee's speech.

Darkest Hour (2017) opening scene, Attlee's speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvPqj6V3HnU

Now is the time to find the resolve for Europe to face challenge Putin.

Without cap in hand begging US approval and milltary aid.

Europe's been in moral and economic decline and denial for years, they've done NOTHING to try to achieve peace in Ukraine, choosing NOT to communicate with Putin.

EU leadership is flailing, largely political lame ducks because they've ignored the will of their people, who wanted this unwinnable, highly damaging (inflation) and dangerous (WWIII potential) war stopped LONG ago.

DJT has the mandate and ability to achieve peace, EU ceded their seat at the table long ago. Only 3 relevant and consequential to this Peace are Trump, Xi, and Putin.

HopeSpringsEternal

DJT has the mandate and ability to achieve peace, EU ceded their seat at the table long ago.

He may have the mandate, but he doesn’t have the skills.

Only 3 relevant and consequential to this Peace are Trump, Xi, and Putin.

If you exclude Zelenskyy, you will fail.

> Trump later assured Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy he also would have a seat at the table. U.S. officials have indicated that European nations, however, wouldn't be involved.

This is no different than a dog growling at another by the food bowl. Ukraine and its minerals are for Russia and the US only, not Europe.

For the global population, unchecked power of this government is far more terrifying and evil than the militants, invaders, and the BRICS countries, it demonizes.

It is lunacy to pretend that "deals" can be made with depot dictators, to have peace at any cost.

It is the very definition of a slippery slope to the bowels of democracy as we know it, political oblivion.

The Governments of Russia/China does not even remotely accept the principal of democratic mandate, as any form of basic human right.

Ukraine falls, capitulation could lead to the hideous depot dictatorship Xi Jinping

President of the People's Republic of China blockade of Taiwan, East/South China Seas.

Emboldened by cowards

Alexander Stubb, President of Finland is stating a final chance of redemption, develop a backbone, find the courage to risk all, support Ukraine unequivocally or appease the dictator.

Yes the stakes have never been higher.

Recent dramatic developments are in fact not that dramatic, as opposed to exposing the long-term reality: Russian forces are winning.

The bulk of minerals are in Russian controlled zones.

Not sinking in for the EU they have been frozen out of any future proceedings.

Yeah Zelensky thought he was being slick making a deal for the rare earth materials that he doesn’t control.

No EU peacekeeping force can legally operate without a mandate from the UN Security Council and the permission stamp won't be forthcoming.

Just to underline that, it was added by a certain diplomat that "any contingent entering the territory of Ukraine without the consent and permission of Russia is a military target, with quite understandable consequences."

Europe's been in moral and economic decline and denial for years, they've done NOTHING to try to achieve peace in Ukraine, choosing NOT to communicate with Putin.

One way to cause and prolong the decline is by creating instability in neighboring countries, like Syria, and to flood the enemy/rival country with refugees.

Not sinking in for the EU they have been frozen out of any future proceedings.

EU has been played again by the U.S.

The Trump alarm clock has woken the dozing Euro politicos up!

So trump will not defend the small country against the attacker. The US is not the defender of freedom anymore?

Yeah Zelensky thought he was being slick making a deal for the rare earth materials that he doesn’t control.

It is his country! Check it on a map.

The Governments of Russia/China does not even remotely accept the principal of democratic mandate, as any form of basic human right.

Yes, same as what is happening now in trump US.

The last iteration of a pan-European army was a certain controversial organization with distinctive esoteric insignia. It didn't end well.

Starmer ready to put British troops on the ground in Ukraine if peace deal reached

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/16/starmer-ready-to-put-british-troops-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-if-peace-deal-reached

This is the very bottom line reason why Europe in spinless isolation, its outright refusal to back Ukraine with milltary action to bring about peace on Europe's terms.

Starmer a cowardly "peace in our time" postering.

"If peace deal reached"

And how will that peace deal be reached?

And on whose terms?

This charade in Paris is a political sham, shameful.

Uk: We gonna send our troops to Ukraine!

now?

UK: oh no, just after Trump makes peace and ends the war and it’s totally safe, of course.

Europe tries to muscle up as U.S. plots mediation to help end Russia's war in Ukraine.

Europe tries to bolster up as the U.S. is strategically planning mediation to help end Russia's war in Ukraine.

Plot- hints at something sinister. Whos writing and appoving these headlines?

BlacklabelToday 10:59 am JST

Uk: We gonna send our troops to Ukraine!

now?

UK: oh no, just after Trump makes peace and ends the war and it’s totally safe, of course.

Trump already chickened out on spending anything or doing anything. Will be others doing the adult work.

BlacklabelToday 10:27 am JST

Yeah Zelensky thought he was being slick making a deal for the rare earth materials that he doesn’t control.

Who was dumb enough to propose the idea in the first place? Oh, and it was, uh, for stuff the US already did, yeah that's right.

quercetumToday 10:37 am JST

Europe's been in moral and economic decline and denial for years, they've done NOTHING to try to achieve peace in Ukraine, choosing NOT to communicate with Putin.

One way to cause and prolong the decline is by creating instability in neighboring countries, like Syria, and to flood the enemy/rival country with refugees.

I agree that was part of russia's strategy.

Hell no. Trump’s negotiations on Afghanistan were a disaster and we see how that turned out. And he is making the same mistakes again.

The deaths and disastrous pullout were not under his watch.