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Florida governor signs bill requiring moment for school prayer

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“It’s something that’s important to be able to provide each student the ability, every day, to be able to reflect and to be able to pray as they see fit," DeSantis said. “The idea that you can just push God out of every institution, and be successful — I'm sorry, our founding fathers did not believe that.”

They exactly did, you incredibly ignorant buffoon. Separation of church and state. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

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DeSantis is wrapping himself in religion to appeal to the religious zealot wing of the GOP in an attempt to garner the Republican nomination in 2024.

The GOP is quickly becoming the biggest threat to our democratic republic. They want to suppress voting rights, tell people what to do with their bodies, tear down the wall separating church and state, allow huge corporations to drown out actual people’s ability to be heard, etc.

It’s no wonder the FBI has deemed right wing terrorists the greatest threat to our country.

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Another useless legislation for the circus. Absolutely meaningless.

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This will not survive judicial review as it is clearly a violation of the Constitution.

This is Governor helmet hair ingratiating himself with the religious extremists that make up the GOP base.

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They exactly did, you incredibly ignorant buffoon. Separation of church and state. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

There is nothing wrong with allowing students a private and personal moment of quiet reflection in school if they do choose. The separation of church and state is not an idea embedded in the Constitution. The establishment clause is taken to an extreme to imply that even in-kind supports and tax breaks for religious institutions is “establishing” religion. Such thinking is ludicrous. There has never been a national church like the Church of England in America. That’s what the establishment clause prohibits.

Only one of the Founders alluded to the idea of separation of church and that was Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a religious organization. Progressives took this tiny opinion from Jefferson and twisted it into a foundational element of the nations origins. Jefferson, himself a Diest, was quite open in his belief in the Christian God and refers to religion frequently in his political and philosophical writings.

I am not a religious person but I do understand that religion is a threat to Progressivism, and like their Communist cousins, Progressives seek to stamp out religion from the public square. They cannot accept an alternative power over the state. Although not religious I don’t feel threatened by people with religious beliefs. I try to be tolerant of others. I only wish everyone was willing to be more tolerant of those different from themselves as well.

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Separation of church and state and no to compulsory prayer. At my school, I was excused because my parents objected. Personal choice I can live with.

The first clause in the Bill of Rights states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

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 There is nothing wrong with allowing students 

Read the title of the article : "Florida governor signs bill requiring moment for school prayer". Not "allowing". "Requiring".

I try to be tolerant of others. I only wish everyone was willing to be more tolerant of those different from themselves as well.

ROFL!! Great stuff :'D

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This will not survive judicial review as it is clearly a violation of the Constitution.

You will be surprised here because it is a bill requiring at least a minute of silence for prayer or meditation, which means it is not forcing students to pray.

That said, this is the GOP solving a non-existent problem.

The establishment clause is taken to an extreme to imply that even in-kind supports and tax breaks for religious institutions is “establishing” religion. Such thinking is ludicrous.

Right up until the government starts using tax breaks and in-kind support for a religion with which you disagree.

There has never been a national church like the Church of England in America. That’s what the establishment clause prohibits.

There has never been a national church in the US precisely because of the establishment clause.

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Florida man!

nothing wrong with this at all. Pray OR meditate. Good way to get some focus for the learning to come.

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Blacklabel

Florida man!

> nothing wrong with this at all. Pray OR meditate. Good way to get some focus for the learning to come.

Compulsory no. Not needed. Schools and students can decide.

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> Florida man! 

nothing wrong with this at all. Pray OR meditate. Good way to get some focus for the learning to come.

Do you think there was a problem that required a law?

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Actually it shouldn’t have to be a law, no.

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But you misrepresent this too. It’s not compulsory nor prayer.

it basically requires one minute of silence in the class. In which you can do anything you want or nothing at all while sitting silently.

it can’t be compulsory if no way to prove someone did it. Also mediation isn’t prayer and you can even (gasp!) pray to another God besides “that one”.

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Actually it shouldn’t have to be a law, no.

Thank you for the answer.

But you misrepresent this too. It’s not compulsory nor prayer.

You are confusing me with another poster. I actually pointed out it is not a compulsory prayer law.

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For those of us old enough to remember, Reagan went down this road, and got laughed out of court.

For you strict constructionists here the Constitution is quite clear. Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion. Furthermore the Supremacy Clause establishes the Constitution of the United States as the supreme law of the land meaning that the Florida state government cannot make laws counter to U.S. Constitution.

Reagan even did the "moment of quiet reflection" bit. Nope. You can pray at home or in your local house of worship. You may take your recess or lunch time (free period, whatever) to pray as some in my public Jr. High did. But the government may not mandate time for religious worship in a publicly funded school. Period.

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Schools don't need a moment for prayer or silence.

THIS is what they need:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,"

God Bless America.

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If it happens then it's compulsory.

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For you strict constructionists here the Constitution is quite clear. Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of a religion. 

This isn’t a law establishing a religion:

*while signing a bill into law that would require public schools in his state to set aside at least one minute of silence for children to *meditate or pray.

Students see not being forced to pray, just to be silent for a minute.

THIS is what they need:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,"

A law requiring students to say the “Pledge of Allegiance” would violate the First Amendment as it would be forcing the students to say “god.” Not everyone believes in a god, or the particular god that was added to the Pledge of Allegiance as a poke towards the Soviet Union.

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis visited a South Florida Jewish temple to denounce anti-Semitism and stand with Israel

Good to see strong US leader expressing their support for our strongest ally in the Middle East.

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One example is Virginia's minute of silence law, which requires children to begin the school day with a minute to "meditate, pray, or engage in silent activity." In July 2001, a panel of the 4th U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the constitutionality of the law, noting that it "introduced at most a minor and nonintrusive accommodation of religion" and, because it allowed any type of silent reflection, served both religious and secular interests. The U. S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal in the case, thus upholding Virginia's law.

https://www.findlaw.com/education/student-rights/is-a-minute-of-silence-in-school-permissible-.html

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My middle school did a moment of silence at the start of the day in the 1970s. Nobody said what the moment was for, because it would be illegal for any adult in a public school to say their intention. Of course, the totally religious students were their to say what it was for.

That school had an informal prayer club that met before school in the library. I was a member mainly because the library had air conditioning, otherwise we'd be waiting for school to start in the heat. Fortunately, my family only lived in that town about 18 months. Nowhere else I've lived were people so quick to point out their church attendance, yet 5 minutes later act completely counter to the claimed teachings for 6 days and 23 hours until the next Sunday sermon.

It took me until around age 17 to understand the point of religion, but I wasn't vocal about it for another 10 yrs to avoid upsetting family and most coworkers. My friends and selected family know my stance. My better half said it was a key reason we are together.

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I am not a religious person but I do understand that religion is a threat to Progressivism

You have that the wrong way around. What you term "progressivism" (by which I take it you mean anything that doesn't fit inside the conservative world view) is seen by the religious as a threat to religion, because the enlightenment it brings to a person reduces superstition and leads people to question the need to bend the knee to a God, a Church, a priest or any other religious authority. Hence the enthusiastic approval of the religious to this unnecessary "requirement" which, let's face it, is intended to shore up the authority of those selfsame religious authorities and whatever religious organization they belong to.

like their Communist cousins, Progressives seek to stamp out religion from the public square.

Communism these days is decidedly regressive, and saying that there is some kind of ideological kinship between, say, President Joe Biden (a Roman Catholic), whom I assume you would categorize nevertheless as a "progressive", and Chairman XI of China, a believer only in himself and the CCP, is so plainly ridiculous that I wonder how you can come out with it.

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You are confusing me with another poster. I actually pointed out it is not a compulsory prayer law.

true that. I see you there. my bad.

If it happens then it's compulsory.

So when kids at school use the toilet, it happens. thats the most generic "definition" I have ever seen.

was the toilet use compulsory? of course not, they chose to do it based on their personal preference and needs. Others wont use the toilet at school and will wait until they get home.

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true that. I see you there. my bad.

No worries, it happens.

@Zichi:

If it happens then it's compulsory.

I’m not really following you on this one. Could you explain a bit more?

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If there is a one minute silence in class every morning then it's happening. Can the student leave the classroom for one minute? If the answer is no then it's compulsory.

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If you're an American student attending a public school you recite the Pledge of Allegiance. You place your right hand over your heart.

If you're not American or don't " believe" in God (like the commies don't), then you stand and place your right hand over your heart out of respect for America and those who sacrificed their lives for it.

That's how it goes.

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If you're not American or don't " believe" in God (like the commies don't), then you stand and place your right hand over your heart out of respect for America and those who sacrificed their lives for it.

I don't believe in God(s) but that doesn't make me a "commie".

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If you're an American student attending a public school you recite the Pledge of Allegiance. You place your right hand over your heart.

If you're not American or don't " believe" in God (like the commies don't), then you stand and place your right hand over your heart out of respect for America and those who sacrificed their lives for it.

That's how it goes.

No. Stop trying to stifle my freedom of expression.

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These people are ok with forcing religious people to adhere to their anti-religious beliefs, but the other way around just can’t be tolerated.

What "anti-religious beliefs" are being forced on religious people?

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DeSantis is just another Ted Cruz without the obesity and scruffy face...

They both don't believe a word of the outrageous lies and fairy tales they weave - they just know they can bamboozle the Trump faithful with it...

The so-called evangelicals think our secular government should be religious based - just like the Mullahs in Iran... DeSantis knows what our Constitution says - he just plays dumb and goes along with the scam...

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DeSantis is just another Ted Cruz without the obesity and scruffy face...

Name calling won’t change the bill.

They both don't believe a word of the outrageous lies and fairy tales they weave - they just know they can bamboozle the Trump faithful with it...

I don’t think the left has a clue as to what DeSantis thinks other than to protect the religious freedoms of Americans that feel they are under assaults by the progressive left.

The so-called evangelicals think our secular government should be religious based - just like the Mullahs in Iran... DeSantis knows what our Constitution says - he just plays dumb and goes along with the scam...

No, they just think, you do as you wish and allow me to do the same, quite simple really. Again, this is another reason why the guy is a rockstar in his State.

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DeSantis is just another Ted Cruz without the obesity and scruffy face...

Name calling won’t change the bill.

Wasn't meant to - the courts will do that...

They both don't believe a word of the outrageous lies and fairy tales they weave - they just know they can bamboozle the Trump faithful with it...

I don’t think the left has a clue as to what DeSantis thinks other than to protect the religious freedoms of Americans that feel they are under assaults by the progressive left.

Too bad he didn't do more to protect Floridians from the virus...

Last Sunday, July 12, Florida recorded a chilling national record: more than 15,300 new COVID-19 cases in a single day. If Florida were a country, it would rank fourth in the world in this appalling category. Our new peers: the United States, Brazil and India.

On Thursday, Florida chalked up its highest-ever daily death total: 156 COVID-19 fatalities. Which followed the previous high, set just two days before, of 132.

On Wednesday, the state’s total of cases since the start of the pandemic crashed past 300,000.

And Gov. Ron DeSantis arrogantly called the frightening surge “a blip.”

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/07/19/coronavirus-florida-editorial-in-worst-public-health-crisis-in-generations-desantis-is-massive-fail/41760879/

The so-called evangelicals think our secular government should be religious based - just like the Mullahs in Iran... DeSantis knows what our Constitution says - he just plays dumb and goes along with the scam...

No, they just think, you do as you wish and allow me to do the same, quite simple really. Again, this is another reason why the guy is a rockstar in his State.

What does he think about that photo of Jerry Falwell Jr?

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to protect the religious freedoms of Americans

Like so many other far right Republicans De Santis is pandering to his true-believing base base, Evangelicals, while ignoring the reality that he could offend, the 'others' who do not share the same beliefs as far right Evangelicals, but the R"s do not care if they offend 'others'. The R's want to further fracture the country, using the time proven tactic of divide and conquer done by authoritarian regimes throughout history.

Republicans have long cared primarily about maintaining the wealth of the already wealthy. Little about anyone else. The R's say things like if you do not like the politics of Florida, move to another state. The next state could well be one the R's muck up even worse. The Republican stench is present throughout the county, the R's are a minority attempting to impose their wack beliefs on the majority.. That they have heavily armed thug militias backing them up is worrying.

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Wasn't meant to - the courts will do that...

The way the Dems tried to bury the 4th amendment?

*In a 9-0 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled the “community caretaking” exception does not apply to private residences*.

Too bad he didn't do more to protect Floridians from the virus...

Sadly, the left tried and lost on that one.

https://www.newsweek.com/media-tried-smear-ron-desantis-it-backfired-opinion-1581410

Anyone who has spent more than five minutes in Florida knows that the Publix chain is ubiquitous and, more importantly, beloved and trusted by Floridians. The 60 Minutes episode was deeply unethical. Sharyn Alfonsi, the reporter for 60 Minutes whose story it was, comes off like a political activist in her interaction with DeSantis, accusing the governor of "pay-to-play" after cornering him at a press conference.

DeSantis for his part calmly provided a detailed response to the unfounded accusation, pointing out that CVS and Walgreens were playing other roles in the vaccine distribution at longterm healthcare facilities and that Publix did not have an "exclusive" distribution rights to the vaccine.

It seems Whitmer and Newsom could learn a lot from DeSantis as well as being honest and ethical. Never run away from the mic.

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An American girl I know told me that every day in school she and her classmates had to "pledge allegiance" to the flag of the USA.

Does that really happen ? In public schools?

And here was me thinking that the USA was the Land of the Free

Strikes me as just as bad as requiring people to pray

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Like so many other far right Republicans De Santis is pandering to his true-believing base base, Evangelicals, while ignoring the reality that he could offend, the 'others' who do not share the same beliefs as far right Evangelicals, but the R"s do not care if they offend 'others'.

That goes both ways. Atheists will say that about Evangelicals and Evangelicals will say the same about Atheists. The difference now here is, the left can’t stop evangelicals from wanting to keep their schools from being indoctrinated by left progressives. They already have California, Maine and the northwest and northeastern states, how much more do they want to take?

The R's want to further fracture the country, using the time proven tactic of divide and conquer done by authoritarian regimes throughout history.

But they didn’t, if they did you wouldn’t see a slow resurgence in Republicans winning in areas where Obama and Hillary won big.

Republicans have long cared primarily about maintaining the wealth of the already wealthy.

There is no one in Silicon Valley that voted for Trump, they all voted for Biden, so that just killed that insane statement.

Little about anyone else. The R's say things like if you do not like the politics of Florida, move to another state.

I’m from California, they say the same thing and someone said that to me 21 years ago and I did just that, I left.

The next state could well be one the R's muck up even worse. The Republican stench is present throughout the county, the R's are a minority attempting to impose their wack beliefs on the majority.. That they have heavily armed thug militias backing them up is worrying.

No, it’s just more of the left worrying (and with good reason) that starting next year they will lose a lot and from the looks of it, there will be a seismic shift politically to start getting the Dems out of office. If I were a Republican, I would pray the left keep their focus Trump, that just continues to help the GOP.

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It would be refreshing if so-called Christians like Ron DeSantis followed what their so-called lord and savior said about prayer:

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 

--Matthew 6:5-6

People can pray anywhere and anytime they like. DeSantis knows that laws like this are simply a political appeal to the Christian right. Doing such is a vilification of the sacred.

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Wasn't meant to - the courts will do that...

The way the Dems tried to bury the 4th amendment?

*In a 9-0 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled the “community caretaking” exception does not apply to private residences*.

What does community caretaking have to do with religious secularism as guaranteed by the 1st Amendment? You're way off topic...

Too bad he didn't do more to protect Floridians from the virus...

Sadly, the left tried and lost on that one.

Who lost were Floridians - 37,265 to date...

https://www.miamitimesonline.com/opinion/desantis-order-opens-the-door-to-covid-spread/article_48e36a2e-acf1-11eb-a4ec-d36ac93305a6.html

It seems Whitmer and Newsom could learn a lot from DeSantis as well as being honest and ethical. Never run away from the mic.

Too bad DeSantis didn't learn from his fellow Repub GWB's "Mission Accomplished" failure...

https://www.theledger.com/story/opinion/editorials/2020/07/21/another-viewpoint-desantis-must-face-his-own-mistakes/112571344/

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