Florida GOP leaders want to get rid of gun permits

“What we're about here today is a universal right that applies to each and every man or woman regardless of race, gender, creed or background," Speaker Paul Renner said at a news conference.

Except it isn't, is it? There are sensible laws that don't allow certain people access to them. For example, if you have a misdemeanor crime of violence in the last three years, you cannot get a concealed weapons permit in Florida.

Saying gun owners don't need a government permission slip to protect their God-given rights, Florida's House speaker proposed legislation Monday to eliminate concealed weapons permits, a move Democrats argue would make a state with a history of horrific mass shootings less safe.

So sayeth the GOP. It's right there in the Bible where God handed Moses an AR-15 on Mount Sinai and told Jesus "Power flows from the barrel of a gun".

Republican leaders, including Gov. Ron DeSantis, have expressed support for the idea, so the bill should not have a problem passing in a legislature with a GOP a super-majority.

These are the red meat issues the GOP feeds it's base and probably a vision of the 2024 election.

When is it that god decreed all man haveth the right to own a handgun? Is it in the bible?

To understand this, one has to understand the stupidity and ignorance of the MAGA type Republicans who believe that it's their "god" that runs things in the US, oh and that "god" is the "white" god only, as other "gods" and religions don't count.

Impossible to understand I'd say!

"Universal right?"

What an arrogant arse! While it may be a "right" in the constitution of the United States of America, I can not ever recall seeing anyone from anywhere else in the world making this outlandish and idiotic claim!

I am ever so glad that I live in Japan. It may not be perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but at least 30,000 plus people dont die because of guns! I dont have to worry about a coworker going "postal". I dont have to worry about getting gunned down at my social dance club, or while going to church. (The list goes on!)

Someone needs to tell these folks that we have a "universal" right to not have your idiocy exported to the world!

What is it that defines a right as universal? Or even god-given for that matter?

This is a Constitutional right that should not be restrained; especially under Biden's administration.

Good for DeSantis.

RKL

This is a Constitutional right that should not be restrained; especially under Biden's administration.

The constitution even says that the right should be constrained. And it is. So that argument doesn't hold any water.

2020hindsightsToday  08:03 am JST

RKL

This is a Constitutional right that should not be restrained; especially under Biden's administration.

The constitution even says that the right should be constrained. And it is. So that argument doesn't hold any water.

It's restrained in Florida, So there's the water.

And the Florida legislature will decide whether or not to change it, in line with the Constitution.

This is a Constitutional right that should not be restrained; especially under Biden's administration.

Good for DeSantis.

I agree. No wonder people can’t flee fast enough to Florida, safety, the rule of law and the second amendment rule. As DeSantis said, Florida is where liberalism and wokeness come to die.

Trump/DeSantis 2024

This is a Constitutional right that should not be restrained; especially under Biden's administration.

Good for DeSantis

When did the US constitution become "universal"? The arrogance is unbelievable!

I remember a time with higher crime rates when the idea of unlicensed carry, concealed or open was laughed at because it was and is a patently stupid idea.

This isn’t about policy or the Constitution or whatever rights one’s deity has granted.

Nope, this is 100% white grievance, mixed with a little buffoonery so that Gov. Helmet hair can take his schtick national.

As the Florida sheriff warned 2 criminals who got shot breaking into someone’s home…you might not want to do that in Florida, most people are armed.

I remember a time with higher crime rates when the idea of unlicensed carry, concealed or open was laughed at because it was and is a patently stupid idea.

That was before they realized they could stick it to the libs.

Should all work out fine.

“a move Democrats argue would make a state with a history of horrific mass shootings less safe.”

A history of horrific mass shootings. Conservatives sure like to point at California but have short memories and myopia when it comes to Texas and Florida.

RKL

The constitution even says that the right should be constrained. And it is. So that argument doesn't hold any water.

It's restrained in Florida, So there's the water.

Sure. There's a lot of water in Florida.

And the Florida legislature will decide whether or not to change it, in line with the Constitution.

There is no reason to change it, in the constitution or elsewhere. And unless they want gun crime to increase, they should not change it.

I think they should just let Florida go as an experiment. They're doing something different, and being only one state, and not the entire nation, people are free to come and go as they like. Maybe it will all work. Maybe it won't. It will be interesting to see which.

2020hindsightsToday  08:23 am JST

There is no reason to change it, in the constitution or elsewhere. And unless they want gun crime to increase, they should not change it.

Law enforcement in Florida have a different view:

"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law. Our law-abiding citizens have that immediate right, guarantee and freedom to protect themselves," Ivey said.

As DeSantis said, Florida is where liberalism and wokeness come to die.

I am sure Floridians are celebrating their freedom to own a gun and freedom from wokeness and liberalism as they struggle to make a living.

https://www.floridapolicy.org/posts/florida-ranks-49th-for-worst-income-inequality-in-the-u-s

RKL

There is no reason to change it, in the constitution or elsewhere. And unless they want gun crime to increase, they should not change it.

Law enforcement in Florida have a different view:

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"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law. Our law-abiding citizens have that immediate right, guarantee and freedom to protect themselves," Ivey said.

On that basis, having murder laws are unnecessary because criminals don't respect those laws.

"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law.”

They don’t need to. The constitution protects their right to own a gun and use it. Second amendment is for everybody. So don’t complain about criminals and illegal guns, it’s anti American.

Bob FosseToday  08:32 am JST

"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law.”

They don’t need to. The constitution protects their right to own a gun and use it. Second amendment is for everybody. So don’t complain about criminals and illegal guns, it’s anti American.

So in your interpretation of the Constitution, Criminals and illegal guns are permissible in American society?

That's so cute.

2020hindsightsToday  08:32 am JST.

"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law. Our law-abiding citizens have that immediate right, guarantee and freedom to protect themselves," Ivey said.

On that basis, having murder laws are unnecessary because criminals don't respect those laws.

Well, no, because there never was a permit available to commit murder, was there?

So in your interpretation of the Constitution, Criminals and illegal guns are permissible in American society?

If they were a universal and god-given right, how does that not mean they would be permissible to everyone? How can you deny guns to anyone? And if you think they should deny guns to some people, doesn't that suddenly make it not a god-given or universal right?

I remember a time with higher crime rates when the idea of unlicensed carry, concealed or open was laughed at because it was and is a patently stupid idea. 

Many of use felt that way about tobacco and weed, no one thought that cigarettes would be outlawed and weed smoking be encouraged, but times have changed.

This isn’t about policy or the Constitution or whatever rights one’s deity has granted.

And who will stop DeSantis?

Nope, this is 100% white grievance, mixed with a little buffoonery so that Gov. Helmet hair can take his schtick national.

Oh, here we go…lol

RKL

On that basis, having murder laws are unnecessary because criminals don't respect those laws.

Well, no, because there never was a permit available to commit murder, was there?

That's not what I said. There are laws, that people have to abide by, to require a permit for concealed carry. Of course criminals won't abide by them. There are also laws that people have to abide by, that outlaw murder. Of course criminals won't abide by them.

But, of course, we still have murder laws and we still gun laws, because if you don't abide by them you can be convicted.

So it isn't a good argument for not having the laws.

oh and that "god" is the "white" god only, as other "gods" and religions don't count.

Stupidity is bringing race into every conversation every single day. Give it a rest on focus on the guns instead of your hatred of white people.

If there was any reason to point out the racial and religious bias of the far-right extremists, it's because it enrages when you point out how their policies are driven by racial and religious bias. It makes it all worthwhile.

Florida....where African-American studies are not allowed in a school classroom...

But bringing a Glock is fine...

Welcome to MAGA-world...

If there was any reason to point out the racial and religious bias of the far-right extremists, it's because it enrages when you point out how their policies are driven by racial and religious bias. It makes it all worthwhile

No, it just undercuts the lefts ludicrous arguments. It’s real easy, just leave race and Trump out of the discussion and not use it as a filler to try and give some sort of validity and bolster a weak argument.

it just undercuts the lefts ludicrous arguments

Yeah, but it's worth it, because:

it enrages when you point out how their policies are driven by racial and religious bias. It makes it all worthwhile.

2020hindsightsToday  08:41 am JST

That's not what I said. There are laws, that people have to abide by, to require a permit for concealed carry. Of course criminals won't abide by them. There are also laws that people have to abide by, that outlaw murder. Of course criminals won't abide by them.

But, of course, we still have murder laws and we still gun laws, because if you don't abide by them you can be convicted.

So it isn't a good argument for not having the laws.

I'm not entirely following you.

The Constitution provides the right to bear arms. It does not provide the right to murder.

Well, no, because there never was a permit available to commit murder, was there?

Actually there was, if you do a little research in American history, "Wanted" posters were in effect permits to commit murder in the act of or trying to apprehend a criminal. The "bounty" hunters acted as judge and jury and literally got away with murder.

YubaruToday  08:55 am JST

Actually there was, if you do a little research in American history, "Wanted" posters were in effect permits to commit murder in the act of or trying to apprehend a criminal. The "bounty" hunters acted as judge and jury and literally got away with murder.

Wanted posters are set out in the Constitution?

And if the killing of the criminal was permitted, then it would not constitute murder in the legal sense.

So in your interpretation of the Constitution, Criminals and illegal guns are permissible in American society?

That's so cute

Quote where the constitution mentions illegal guns. I’ll wait.

In the meantime here’s a quote for you.

“What we're about here today is a universal right that applies to each and every man or woman regardless of race, gender, creed or background," Speaker Paul Renner said at a news conference.

The Constitution provides the right to bear arms.

So shouldn't criminals also be allowed to be armed? After all, they need to protect themselves too.

Bob FosseToday  09:01 am JST

So in your interpretation of the Constitution, Criminals and illegal guns are permissible in American society?

That's so cute

Quote where the constitution mentions illegal guns. I’ll wait. 

Wait for what? Use that time instead to read again what I wrote.

In the meantime here’s a quote for you. 

“What we're about here today is a universal right that applies to each and every man or woman regardless of race, gender, creed or background," Speaker Paul Renner said at a news conference.

Thanks! I like quotes in the morning.

So shouldn't criminals also be allowed to be armed? After all, they need to protect themselves too.

Criminals will do what criminals do, can’t worry about that, but as long as you have law enforcement that is allowed to do it’s job and allow citizens to legally arm themselves criminals are taking a bigger chance. You’re not going to walk from murder and assault charges like you would in California or NYC.

These are the red meat issues the GOP feeds it's base and probably a vision of the 2024 election.

Nope, this is 100% white grievance, mixed with a little buffoonery so that Gov. Helmet hair can take his schtick national.

BINGO and BINGO....

DeSantis is almost as good as the Ultra MAGA King in manipulating, exploiting,and fleecing the MAGA-masses....

Which is why Trump has called him a "fat, whiny, phony"....and just this week said he "mismanaged" Florida's COVID response....

https://www.axios.com/2023/01/29/trump-desantis-disloyal-covid-record

So, is Trump right? Is DeSantis a "phony" who bungled COVID?

RKL

I'm not entirely following you.

The Constitution provides the right to bear arms. It does not provide the right to murder.

It doesn't provide a right not to have gun laws, in this case, to require a permit to conceal carry.

What can you expect from backward and thirdworldish Florida???..

The first month of the year has not ended and there are already 49 mass shootings and 6 massacres in the US.

Land of the slave, home of the scared..

These GOP clowns are making it easier and easier for China to become the first world power..

Florida....where African-American studies are not allowed in a school classroom...

But bringing a Glock is fine...

Welcome to MAGA-world...

And wait until De Santis becomes president, it will be worse, a country sunk in backwardness, social injustice, medievalism and trogrodyte white supremacism..

bass4funk

You’re not going to walk from murder and assault charges like you would in California or NYC.

Really. Well, George Zimmerman did.

Really. Well, George Zimmerman did.

You may have just won the internet.

Saying gun owners don't need a government permission slip to protect their God-given rights

Can't these clowns be more pathetic??..

lol..

I've never seen or heard about any God, Gods, or Dog handing a human a firearm. It is not a fundamental human right.

But it is a right for all legal, adult, non-convicted felon, residents of the USA to have a firearm. Having one any where you like or having it concealed are not rights as far as the SCOTUS has ruled.

There are different rules around the USA for good reasons. Rules that make sense in Florida don't make sense in California or in urban centers. Florida is full of dangerous animals, and I'm not just talking about humans.

So many posters here don't seem to understand the US Constitution and amendments. The first 10 amendments are called the "Bill of Rights" and were required in order to get the original US Constitution signed. The 2nd Amendment - that's the one that says we get to have firearms - was required because at the time, British soldiers were using their firearms to force people living in the Americas to follow their wishes. Americans didn't like that and knew that having firearms in lots of hands of the people would be 1 way to discourage the redcoats from returning. Should this amendment have been changed/removed about 40 yrs ago? I think it should have been., but by that point there were already millions of firearms spread in closets across the US by all sorts of people. Nearly all are sane, normal, people and a few are a bit crazy for firearms.

There is good news. I saw that firearm sales are down over 20% in 2022 and that people are turning theirs in for destruction.

2020hindsightsToday  09:10 am JST

RKL

I'm not entirely following you.

The Constitution provides the right to bear arms. It does not provide the right to murder.

*It doesn't provide a right not to have gun laws, in this case, to require a permit to conceal carry.*

No, there is a right to not have gun laws.

Art. 1 gives legislative powers to the states.

What can you expect from backward and thirdworldish Florida???..

You're confusing Florida with California again.

The first month of the year has not ended and there are already 49 mass shootings and 6 massacres in the US.

With 340 million, mixed society, races and cultural background, add illegals and in some states a weak judicial system, lack of police, lack of law enforcement, yes, that is not something far-fetched to imagine.

Land of the slave, home of the scared..

That ended 1865

These GOP clowns are making it easier and easier for China to become the first world power..

No, even the CCP were deeply worried about a 2nd term Trump administration.

And wait until De Santis becomes president, it will be worse, a country sunk in backwardness, social injustice, medievalism and trogrodyte white supremacism..

No, it will be an end to wokeness and stop the lefts feeble attempt to continue to use race as a dividing wedge going forward and being less dependent on big government.

Former President Donald Trump, who has already announced he is running for president in 2024, is not happy about the prospect of facing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) in the race.

“When I hear he might run, I consider that very disloyal,” Trump told reporters Saturday.

My, my....looks like someone is trying to "cancel" a potential competitor...

Trump also took issue with DeSantis’ COVID-19 approach, accusing the governor’s team of “trying to rewrite history.”

“There are Republican governors that did not close their states,” Trump said, according to CNN. “Florida was closed for a long period of time.”

And another dig - saying DeSantis botched Florida's COVID response...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-blasts-disloyal-ron-desantis-125708261.html

Better prepare your relatives for the coming onslaught of insults Ron - especially your father and your wife...

And the MAGA posters here better start choosing a side - either the "Mad Megalomaniac from Mar-A-Lago" or "Phony Ron DeSanctimonious from Tallahassee"...

I've never seen or heard about any God, Gods, or Dog handing a human a firearm. It is not a fundamental human right.

That's because you, while being conservative, are not an extremist.

This guy in Florida on the other hand (from the article):

Saying gun owners don't need a government permission slip to protect their God-given rights, Florida's House speaker proposed legislation Monday to eliminate concealed weapons permits

But it is a right for all legal, adult, non-convicted felon, residents of the USA to have a firearm. Having one any where you like or having it concealed are not rights as far as the SCOTUS has ruled.

Absolutely. As Justice Scalia said in 2008, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited," which kind of gives Speaker Paul Renner, who called it a universal right, the lie. As does Florida's own constitution which also allows for permitting requirements;

Section 8 (a)

The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives citizens the right to own any weapon anywhere anytime.

Clearly states have the right to legislate limitations on gun rights just as they can to some extent on other enumerated rights (speech, voting, etc.)

In the larger community of non-white grievance America, this is an 80-20 issue and Ron-Ron is on the 20 side of the issue.

Seeing who is speaking in support of this idiocy shows how shallow support for the idea actually is.

There's really only one truth in this whole guns debate....

The MAGA-masses are not legitimate firearms enthusiasts...they worship their guns because they are fed a diet of fear and hate from far-right Repub politicians and their complicit media...to manipulate them for votes and money. The more scared and angry the masses are, the more votes and money they get.

Couple that with low education rates, low income, and a general sense of powerlessness, and a gun gives them their only sense of self-esteem and power in their meager lives...

lack of police, lack of law enforcement

At least they're well equipped:

For decades, police departments have acquired military weaponry like grenade launchers and armored vehicles for little cost through a controversial Defense Department program called 1033. The program has sent over $7 billion worth of excess military equipment to more than 8,000 local law enforcement agencies across the country, according to the office overseeing the program.

How police departments got billions of dollars of tactical military equipment - Marketplace

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives citizens the right to own any weapon anywhere anytime. 

Yes, it does.

Clearly states have the right to legislate limitations on gun rights just as they can to some extent on other enumerated rights (speech, voting, etc.) 

Has nothing to do with NOT having the constitutional right to own a firearm

In the larger community of non-white grievance America, this is an 80-20 issue and Ron-Ron is on the 20 side of the issue. 

You just don’t get tired of the Trump and Race injections, huh?

Seeing who is speaking in support of this idiocy shows how shallow support for the idea actually is.

Hmmm….

And the MAGA posters here better start choosing a side - either the "Mad Megalomaniac from Mar-A-Lago" or "Phony Ron DeSanctimonious from Tallahassee"...

we can choose both. that is why there is a President and a VP slot.

we can choose both. that is why there is a President and a VP slot.

Yes, I believe that the unregistered voters will find the extremist combination of Trump and DeSantis much more appealing after Jan 6th. Seems like a strong strategy to win in 2024. Good luck!

yep thats why we vote.

and if you dont like what Florida is doing, no one forces you to live there .

yep thats why we vote.

And why Republicans keep losing.

Trump/DeSantis 2024!

and if you dont like what Florida is doing, no one forces you to live there .

I agree. It's a good social experiment. Maybe it will work!

As the Florida sheriff warned 2 criminals who got shot breaking into someone’s home…you might not want to do that in Florida, most people are armed.

Does this include children? Shouldn't children also have a right to defend themselves? What if Stoneman Douglas High School students were packing heavy. Could that have saved lives against the attack from Nikolas Cruz?

And the MAGA posters here better start choosing a side - either the "Mad Megalomaniac from Mar-A-Lago" or "Phony Ron DeSanctimonious from Tallahassee"...

we can choose both. that is why there is a President and a VP slot.

Sure, you can choose them, for what it's worth...nothing...

Do you think Trump is going to choose a guy for VP he called a "phony" and who he said butchered his state's COVID response? And then there's Donald saying the vaccine is "safe and it works", and DeSantis saying the opposite...

Or maybe you think DeSantis will pick Trump as VP - and of course he'd accept that...

Trump-DeSantis 2024 has about as much chance as Trump-Fauci 2024....

ROFLX2.....

What these doofuses and their cheerleaders don’t understand is that their second amendment rights are always being infringed. Try taking your gun to an airport or NRA rally if you need clarification on that.

Yeah like you thought the USA would be cursed with Biden/Harris?

stranger (and worse) things have happened than Trump/DeSantis 2024.

The majority of people in Florida do not own a gun. 350,000 guns, about 35% of the population.

Florida needs more sensible gun laws not less.

There is nothing in the Constitution that gives citizens the right to own any weapon anywhere anytime. 

Yes, it does.

No, it doesn't. Whenever the Constitution isn't clear, it is the job of SCOTUS to interpret it. Limitations on some weapons and locations where firearms are allowed have been ruled constitutional by SCOTUS.

For example, fully automatic machine guns have been illegal without a federal license for over 50 yrs ... maybe 90 yrs.

The US is a country with rule of law (nearly always). For now, handguns are allowed in almost any private home if the residents there want one, are adults and non-felons. A law trying to prevent that was struck down by SCOTUS in Washington D.C. But other laws restricting firearms and locations have been found constitutional.

NYC tried to have more restrictions on their concealed carry permits. They wanted to add "probable cause" as a required reason to need a concealed firearm. That was struck down by SCOTUS in 2022.

The Court ruled that the 109-year-old provision violated the Second Amendment, holding that States may not require otherwise responsible and law-abiding citizens to show “a special need for self-defense” in order to qualify for a license to carry a handgun outside the home. (p. 30). A license to carry a handgun may be denied for other reasons specific to an applicant’s background, character, or ability to use a firearm properly, but not for lack of a special need for self-defense.

Florida needs more sensible gun laws not less.

people who live in Florida and their elected leaders think differently.

RKL

*It doesn't provide a right not to have gun laws, in this case, to require a permit to conceal carry.*

No, there is a right to not have gun laws.

No, there absolutely isn't. If a state wants to restrict access to guns, they can.

Try taking your gun to an airport or NRA rally if you need clarification on that.

As a gun collector, I don’t know anyone including myself that would go to any rally, let alone an airport carrying a firearm.

No, it doesn't. Whenever the Constitution isn't clear, it is the job of SCOTUS to interpret it.

The right to keep and bear arms in the United States is a fundamental right protected by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, part of the Bill of Rights, and by the constitutions of most U.S. states.The Second Amendment declares:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yeah like you thought the USA would be cursed with Biden/Harris?

I thought Biden/Harris would win from the start. Remember, you guys went off when Biden was elected, thanking the Dems for ensuring a second Trump term.

Of course, you also still think he won, which is why you think I'm crazy for believing that Biden and Harris won, so...

2020hindsightsToday  10:15 am JST

RKL

It **doesn't provide a right not to have gun laws**, in this case, to require a permit to conceal carry.

No, there is a right to not have gun laws.

No, there absolutely isn't. If a state wants to restrict access to guns, they can.

That is exactly what I said. And if the state doesn't want to restrict access to guns, it can,

As a gun collector, I don’t know anyone including myself that would go to any rally, let alone an airport carrying a firearm.

You can’t. You’re not allowed to.

Bob FosseToday  10:19 am JST

As a gun collector, I don’t know anyone including myself that would go to any rally, let alone an airport carrying a firearm.

You can’t. You’re not allowed to.

Except that you are allowed to. In the USA.

I lived in Florida for a time but will never again. The place is too backwards. There were towns where African Americans knew not to be out at night in. Neighbors used the N word freely. There were people on the medians of intersections with bullhorns blaring bible verses at you as you sat there, a captive audience, waiting for the light to turn green so you could escape their noise.

You can’t. You’re not allowed to.

That’s what I said, so this illusion that the majority of people can take legally guns with them is a total illusion.

Yeah like you thought the USA would be cursed with Biden/Harris?

????? What does that mean? They won...your guy lost...

stranger (and worse) things have happened than Trump/DeSantis 2024.

Nixon/Agnew?

And why do all the Trump supporters keep dodging the question....

Trump, who has called DeSantis a "phony", today said he bungled Florida's COVID response....so do you agree and is Trump correct?

You can’t. You’re not allowed to.

Except that you are allowed to. In the USA.

But you know that is incorrect. Firearms are prohibited in plenty of places in the USA.

Mr Renner is talking about one of those ‘universal human rights’ that only apply to some people, in some places, sometimes.

This really seems like Florida GOP want to increase the frequency of massacres amongst its population. These people are unfit to govern.

The absolutely crazy situation is one main reason the police are so out of control when stopping people for basically anything. Because everyone can be armed and dangerous, and any encounter with a member of the public could end up with shots fired at the police. They are scared for their lives and their behavior reflects that through their constant brutality towards the public. Not just in Florida, but all over the US.

Removing the right of average people to carry concealed weapons would go a long way to improving and lessening the danger to Police and their behavior would improve as the danger they face decreases. Common sense is not that common in America when it comes to guns.

Having a gun at home for household protection is one thing, but having one everywhere you go just makes it more likely that in anger, firearms will be used. America is the most dangerous nation to live in with the exception of a nation at war like Ukraine, Yemen and other nations where conflict is actively ongoing.

A terrible example for the world and thankfully one that is not followed by all sensible countries around the globe.

I lived in Florida for a time but will never again.

good. you voted with your feet.

Old people with dementia can carry a gun. About four in 10 residents of Florida are over 50.

If guns are a right, why can they not be carried in all locations?

This really seems like Florida GOP want to increase the frequency of massacres amongst its population. These people are unfit to govern.

now do California Dems? 4 mass shootings in a week.

Florida is still mostly the school shooting from 4 years ago.

Blacklabel

   Florida needs more sensible gun laws not less.

> people who live in Florida and their elected leaders think differently.

Not everyone and my family do not.

the headline

Florida GOP leaders want to get rid of gun permits

Not that all residents want to change the gun laws.

We don't keep any guns at our condo.

The NRA does not allow guns to be carried inside their HQ. Only boxed by those using the shooting range. They do not allow carry at their conferences.

I also remember the evangelical bubbas bombed the local catholic and lutheran churches because they weren't considered to be "christian" by their lofty standards of what constitutes christianity. Neighbors and co-workers constantly pressured to go to their church and going to another could be considered a personal snub. At least a few of my neighbors hunted squirrels for dinner. You would see them walking back home with a rifle over their shoulder holding a bunch of dead squirrels by their tails in the other hand. Wild squirrels can have rabies and bubonic plague but no worries for the bubbas. Little is more depressing that shopping in a WIn Dixie supermarket if you like to eat things like lamb ( a butcher thought it was gross to eat lamb when I asked if they carried it , but I guess wild squirrels are ok ). A dozen varieties of air loaf white bread but not one decent brand of wheat bread, no sourdough bread at all, no bagels (had to explain to the baker I wasn't describing a donut !), none of the foods I grew up liking. No cold water fish like cod or halibut, just bland mealy tasting bass and grouper. And then there were the bugs .....................

"A longtime top retirement destination, Florida is the state with the second-highest proportion of retirement-age residents in the nation. The Sunshine State remains the “go-to” location for many living in the Northeast, from New York to Connecticut to New Jersey. It’s not hard to see why Florida remains popular among Americans over the age of 65, given its warm weather, walkable cities, and lack of estate and inheritance taxes. With nearly one in ten residents over the age of 75, Florida is also the state with the highest percentage of residents within this age bracket. A number of counties in this state, including Sumter County, Charlotte County, and Citrus County, are home to over 35 percent of residents over the age of 65."

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Over 85% of Floridians support stricter gun control measures ...

Jul 12, 2022 — The survey found that 88% of respondents support Florida enacting “red flag” laws, and only 11% opposing. Gun violence is a topic on Floridians'

In the wake of recent mass shootings, a supermajority of Floridians have said they support stricter gun control measures, like universal background checks and red flag laws.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/538459-over-85-of-floridians-support-stricter-gun-control-measures-poll-shows/

Bob FosseToday  10:29 am JST

You can’t. You’re not allowed to.

Except that you are allowed to. In the USA.

But you know that is incorrect. Firearms are prohibited in plenty of places in the USA.

You wrote you are not allowed to carry firearms in an airport. Which you can; and the airports in which you are not allowed to carry a loaded firearm on your person, you can still carry in your check-in luggage.

So, do you see who is incorrect?

wallaceToday  10:38 am JST

We don't keep any guns at our condo.

I don't know anyone who keeps any gins in their homes in Japan.

And why do all the Trump supporters keep dodging the question....

Trump, who has called DeSantis a "phony", today said he bungled Florida's COVID response....so do you agree and is Trump correct?

Nothing but silence...wonder why they are so tongue-tied?

You either agree with Trump regarding DeSantis or you don't - which is it?

wallace

We don't keep any guns at our condo.

> I don't know anyone who keeps any gins in their homes in Japan.

meaningless. Are you talking about bass4funk?

We don't have guns at our Florida condo and never have.

Gins? Grins maybe?

Florida is still mostly the school shooting from 4 years ago.

There were 34 mass shootings in Florida last year.

There were 34 mass shootings in Florida last year.

none of them were super publicized or politicized.

wrong shooter and/or wrong victims?

You wrote you are not allowed to carry firearms in an airport. 

Correct. Go to a Florida airport with a gun and see what happens.

Some people call Florida "God's waiting room".

Maybe for many, the waiting time will become less.

Americans really are something.

I agree. No wonder people can’t flee fast enough to Florida, safety, the rule of law and the second amendment rule.

safety, the stats prove otherwise, homicides per capita are higher in FL TX than they are in NY CA

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

Trump/DeSantis 2024

LOL Desantis wont play biatch to Trump or viseversa

Why is Trump throwing insults at Desantis?

Not everyone and my family do not.

oh so you are a Florida resident and registered voter now?

none of them were super publicized or politicized. 

wrong shooter and/or wrong victims?

They happened, whatever your politics. Another one just happened today.

But you know that is incorrect. Firearms are prohibited in plenty of places in the USA. 

Yes, but I don’t know anyone that bring their firearms everywhere with them. Most of my friends in the States own firearms and two of them have a special concealed permit to allow them to carry them.

Mr Renner is talking about one of those ‘universal human rights’ that only apply to some people, in some places, sometimes.

Hmmm…

Correct. Go to a Florida airport with a gun and see what happens.

Love Florida.

meaningless. Are you talking about bass4funk?

No.

We don't have guns at our Florida condo and never have.

Gins? Grins maybe?

Many people do.

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   Not everyone and my family do not.

> oh so you are a Florida resident and registered voter now?

My family and I own several condos in Florida and yes many are residents and registered voters. We have lived there since the 1970s. We don't have any guns in them. My parents are American and lived there for more than 30 years until their deaths.

Mr Renner is talking about one of those ‘universal human rights’ that only apply to some people, in some places, sometimes.

Hmmm…

No, not hmmmm. It’s a universal human right or it isn’t. If it doesn’t apply to everyone or can be taken away easily, it is not a ‘universal human right’.

wallaceToday  10:54 am JST

We don't have guns at our Florida condo and never have.

Because it would be illegal.

Bob FosseToday  11:00 am JST

Correct. Go to a Florida airport with a gun and see what happens.

I'll tell you what happens.

I tell the person at the checkin counter I have a firearm and ammo in my suitcase, and they give me a card to put in it. I check in the suitcase and then go fly to Utah.

Lakeland Police did not identify any suspects, but believe that four alleged shooters fired guns on both sides of the street from their vehicle, which Taylor described as a four-door Nissan.

Police believe the shooting wasn't random and the victims were targeted.

yep thats called a gang related drive by. crime is a serious problem in the USA, especially gang violence.

Back to the initial statement from the Sheriff-

"Criminals don't get a permit. Not one of them. They don't care about obeying the law.

Many people do.

Many more do not.

Fixed it for you.

RKL

wallaceToday 10:54 am JST

> We don't have guns at our Florida condo and never have.

> Because it would be illegal.

Why, as you know guns are a right under the Second Amendment and also under Florida gun laws.

You must be confused again.

Morons and their guns.

No, not hmmmm. It’s a universal human right or it isn’t.

We are talking about the US, not a human rights.

If it doesn’t apply to everyone or can be taken away easily, it is not a ‘universal human right’.

Didn’t you also claim that healthcare is a fundamental human right?

Many more do not.

They say that in NYC and California as well

Now it’s fixed.

wallaceToday  11:16 am JST

Why, as you know guns are a right under the Second Amendment and also under Florida gun laws.

You must be confused again.

Confused about the clear law that makes it illegal for nonimmigrant aliens without residency in any state (you) to have possession of a firearm?

Nope, you are the confused one.

Even if you had a condo in the US, you would be prohibited by law from keeping a firearm in it.

bass4funk

gun ownership in Florida is only a minority, about 35%.

In Florida, more people own fishing rods than guns but a permit is required to use them.

You need a permit for a fishing rod but not a gun. I guess shooting fish with a gun might work. Oh hell, just throw a stick of dynamite in and enough fish for a month.

I have relatives in Florida as well, we support the second amendment, one reason why one of my sisters moved to Florida was because DeSantis is a strong supporter of gun rights. Look, if people don’t like or want guns, their choice, their right, I respect that, but as a gun collector and gun enthusiast don’t tell me what I can own, how many or why, that’s my right and my choice and as long as people can respect that, we won’t have any problems.

gun ownership in Florida is only a minority, about 35%.

I absolutely don’t believe that.

No, not hmmmm. It’s a universal human right or it isn’t. 

We are talking about the US, not a human rights.

Tell Mr renner. He seems to misunderstand what ‘universal’ means. Reading this thread it seems a common problem.

Didn’t you also claim that healthcare is a fundamental human right?

No. But quote me if you can.

bass4funk

I have relatives in Florida as well, we support the second amendment, one reason why one of my sisters moved to Florida was because DeSantis is a strong supporter of gun rights. Look, if people don’t like or want guns, their choice, their right, I respect that, but as a gun collector and gun enthusiast don’t tell me what I can own, how many or why, that’s my right and my choice and as long as people can respect that, we won’t have any problems.

That is the single-parent sister you posted about? Why did she not just move into your ranch with your large gun collection?

There are about 350,000 guns in Florida for a population of 22 million or 8 million households.

I never mentioned banning guns but I do support sensible and meaningful gun laws while you support none.

wallaceToday  11:40 am JST

why is so hard for you to understand simple facts? I and my American family own several condos in Florida and other properties in many other states. 

You don't.

I and my American brothers own a condo in Florida and we don't keep any guns there. We could have guns there but we don't. None of my American family of more than 20 even own a single gun. We are opposed to them.

YOU are prohibited by US law from owning a firearm. Is that hard for you to understand?

Can you admit you acknowledge that law?

Or do you dispute that?