Former Indian lawmaker slain live on TV while in police custody

India has the second highest number of guns in circulation after the US in absolute terms after the US inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws.

So much for the arguments that strict gun laws reduce gun crimes.

India has the second highest number of guns in circulation after the US in absolute terms after the US inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws. 

So much for the arguments that strict gun laws reduce gun crimes.

All of this is wrong.

All of this is wrong.

No, it isn't.

The USA has the most guns, by far.

India is 2nd with over 71M guns. These are facts.

China is 3rd. Followed by Pakistan, then Russia.

Per-capita numbers for India and China are lower due to their huge populations.

Seems as though they deserved it; 'eh ?

Seems as though they deserved it;

Yes, individual ran a mafia criminal enterprise and responsible for 100+ murders in the last 3 decades, what goes around finally comes around.

So much for the arguments that strict gun laws reduce gun crimes.

India has a tenth of the US gun homicides per capita, so so much for your argument.

Seems as though they deserved it; 'eh ?

Bad 'uns for sure. They ooze corruption.

Police in Uttar Pradesh have killed more than 180 suspected criminals during encounters over past six years.

None of them were suspected, every single one was behind god knows how many killings, In the last six years the mafia criminal enterprise has been very successfully cleaned up with drastic reduction in crime in that state.

India has the second highest number of guns in circulation after the US in absolute terms after the US inspite of having some of the strictest gun laws.

So much for the arguments that strict gun laws reduce gun crimes.

Hahaha that's gibberish, what you need to provide is the number of gun crimes in India, not the number of guns, to argue your point

When I first read the news title "Former Indian lawmaker slain", I thought it was a political assassination. But as I read more about the incident in other news media, the situation seems much more involved.

Atiq Ahmed, his brother and their wider family were notorious gansters in the Uttar Pradesh criminal underworld, accused of running a crime syndicate embroiled in murder and extortion, and the former politician had more than 100 different cases filed against him, including assault and murder. He was jailed for life in 2019 after being convicted of orchestrating a kidnapping while he was in prison.

The Ahmed brothers had been in police custody relating to the murder of lawyer Umesh Pal, who had been a key witness in the case of another killing they were implicated in...

Uttar Pradesh, which is India’s most populous state of more than 200 million people, has a reputation for criminality and nearly half the ministers, the chief minister included, have pending criminal cases against them.

(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/16/atiq-ahmed-former-mp-brother-shot-dead-live-tv-india)

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

Yes, it is.

He's sort of right. But it's like stating that more people die in hospitals than in snake pits, and that you'd be better off going to a snake pit when you get sick.

Ahmed had been a lawmaker with Samajwadi Party

Samajwadi Party started out as a party with leftist socialist ideals but later became a party of gangsters with a substantial vote base of Muslims and Yadavs in the cowbelt heartland of Uttar Pradesh.

However, the one good thing they did was to give out more arms licenses during their reign, but their largesse was restricted to their Muslim-Yadav vote bank.

They have been at loggerheads with the BJP, so even if one does not agree with BJP's majoritarian agenda one has to admit that the governance and law and order in UP has become better than it was under Samajwadi Party rule.

You are a big fan of extrajudicial killing? Were all or most of these suspected criminals Muslim?

Police in Uttar Pradesh have killed more than 180 suspected criminals during encounters over past six years.

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Yes, it is.

He's sort of right. But it's like stating that more people die in hospitals than in snake pits, and that you'd be better off going to a snake pit when you get sick."

If you are in the U.S., you may well be better off climbing down into the snake pit because your risk with the U.S. industrialized Corporate healthcare system is such that your chances of being killed by iatrogenic error outweighs your chances of a GUN death by a couple of orders of magnitude... remember, Corporate has no conscience in the U.S. BY LAW... [stockholders can sue executives for anything that results in a loss of expected dividends]

https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139 ("Third Leading Cause of Death in the U.S.", the "BMJ" is the TOP medical journal in the World)

Different kind of justice by vigilantes.

Looks like India feeds their prisoners pretty well judging by the example shown here.

India is a country rife with corruption where the largest bribe ensures ‘justice’

Any dispute taken to the courts becomes subject to delay and sabotage by threats, bribes and corruption

Lawyers and judges threatened or turned by money

It is no wonder that assassination is a cheap option where all other means have failed

You are a big fan of extrajudicial killing? Were all or most of these suspected criminals Muslim?

Nope, none of them are extrajudicial killing's, all are all out gunfights with the police where-in many policeman have also died. They are not suspected but all indicted and sentenced runaway criminals, most of them, around 65% are hindus, rest are muslims.