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© Thomson Reuters 2023.Former Trump adviser Navarro convicted of contempt of Congress
By Andrew Goudsward and Sarah N Lynch WASHINGTON©2023 GPlusMedia Inc.
56 Comments
TokyoLiving
The more attacks against Trump, the more money and support to Trump's campaign..
2020hindsights
TokyoLiving
Did he, or did he not, defy the subpoena?
He did.
Then guilty. Nothing to do with Trump.
Cards fan
Well no, this isn't true. Besides that, it's irrelevant. He committed the crime, and now he's been convicted. Simple as.
bass4funk
https://nypost.com/2023/08/29/trump-raises-9-4m-since-georgia-mug-shot-more-than-20m-in-august/
Not as long as he’s on the ballot and still breathing.
allegedly
Cards fan
No, no. It is irrelevant. Prosecutorial decisions are not and should not be made on the basis of whether it'll hurt or help a politician's campaign
Cards fan
And no, not allegedly. He was convicted.
bass4funk
As long as he’s alive and on the ballot it is or are YOU going to change it? YOU are going to stop him from running, he can still run whether he’s convicted or not. How about this for arguments sake, when Trump is locked up (will never happen) then I’ll owe you an apology. Until then and unless you hear big news, breaking news Trump is not on the ballot, nothing changes
wallace
If Trump was already elected twice he can't run for a third time.
bass4funk
Wrong.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-elected-president-indicted-convicted-experts/story?id=97688250
"Because of the 22nd Amendment, the individual can't have been twice elected president previously," Shaw said. "But there's nothing in the Constitution disqualifying individuals convicted of crimes from running for or serving as president."
wallace
Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis could sue Donald Trump for copyright infringement for the commercialization of his mugshot.
"Donald Trump’s campaign may have violated United States copyright law by selling merchandise featuring the former president’s mugshot, legal experts have warned."
https://nypost.com/2023/09/05/trump-may-have-violated-copyright-law-by-selling-mugshot-merch/
Cards fan
That wasn't my point, Bass. My point was very clear:
That's what I'm talking about. Not whatever inane, nonsensical point you think you're making.
Cards fan
Thanks for the admission that Trump did indeed lose the 2020 elections. Bravo
2020hindsights
bass4funk
He committed the crime,
Allegedly is used when he is indicted. He has now been convicted, so it isn't allegedly. It is definitely. He definitely committed the crime.
wallace
So in fact Trump wasn't elected twice then.
bass4funk
As was mine
Calm down, relax, don’t like Trump, want him gone, assassin is the only way, other than that, the Dems will not stop this guy.
Good! Do it and take it to the Supreme Court, that is definitely what Trump is begging for.
Desert Tortoise
What I recall of Peter Navarro are his many losing attempts at being elected to San Diego City Council, San Diego Mayor, San Diego County Board of Supervisors, the state Assembly and again to the San Diego City Council. He ran for office variously as a Republican, an Independent and as a Democrat. I also recall that as an Economics professor his research was not well regarded by his peers and he never got anything published in a major economics journal. His research was always in second tier journals and poorly reviewed. Some of us in economics considered him to be a little bit of a crackpot. It strikes me that perhaps Trumpworld was the only place he felt any degree of respect so he went all in. Considering some of his out there economic theories I am not surprised he fell for the voter fraud and fake electors scams.
Cards fan
I'm not talking about Trump, my guy. I'm talking about TokyoLiving's mistaken assertion that prosecutorial decisions should be made based upon the impact they might on have on a candidate's popularity. I don't think it should have any baring on the decision to charge a suspect.
If you want to have a discussion on Trump here on this article, that won't be with me.
wallace
Copyrights Supreme Court Cases
https://supreme.justia.com/cases-by-topic/copyrights/
wallace
Desantis has lost his top 50 financial supporters. Maybe he needs a mugshot.
bass4funk
Uhh, try not to put words in my mouth or think for me please.
Thank the lord….
Cards fan
I didn't. That is a logical conclusion to your response. See below:
An admission that Trump didn't win. Well done.
bass4funk
Ok, so we both made our points, fair enough.
In the lefts mind, ok…
Cards fan
No. I made mine, and then you tried to thread jack.
Not just in the "lefts mind," but anyone with a bit of intellect.
If Trump won in 2020, then how can he run a third time? He can't.
Mark
""But U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta ruled that Navarro could not use this as a defense, finding that the defendant had not put forward evidence that Trump formally invoked executive privilege in response to the subpoena. Defense lawyer Stanley Woodward was left to argue that Navarro's failure to comply may have been an accident or a mistake.""
An Accident or a Mistake? how convenient, he probably thought Trump will stand behind him or even come to his aid!!! little he knew that Trump will throw anyone under the bus.
Bob Fosse
Voters want a President who could run for two terms. 45 would be a lame duck way before the midterms.
wallace
Trump was elected twice or not. Which is it? By his own admission, Trump has said he was elected twice.
bass4funk
We both made ours, it’s an open forum, relax.
Now you are the sole purveyor of knowledge wisdom, and expertise as to who is intelligent and who is not? Now this is interesting…
Soooo then why are the Dems trying to stop him if that were remotely true? If Trump is guilty of all of these so called 3000 or so indictments, they feel they have a solid case particularly in GA and J6 why wait and hold the trials next year during the start of the Iowa Caucuses? Dunno, if I were a betting man, I would say the Dems have deliberately daisy-chained these trial dates to keep Trump from running, so that would conclude that either the Dems are lying through their teeth and know they can’t legally stop Trump from running or they’re lying through their teeth to the public and giving the impression that he can’t run gain support for their fledgling cause.
bass4funk
Don’t worry, you can’t vote so him running won’t affect you either way. Relax.
sunfunbun
The collateral damage from Trump goes on and on. Navarro is finding the advice from Trump at the time a ticking time bomb to prison, as have the Proud Boys and others who foolishly believed Trump's intent was honorable. It never was and never will be.
Jump ship MAGA. That's better advice than any you'd get from Trump.
Cards fan
That's not what I said. Nice try.
No, no. If he won in 2020, then he can't run a third time. You know he lost, and that's why he can run a 3rd time. Let's not be silly now.
wallace
bass4funk
That is a cop-out. Has Trump been elected twice or not? Trump says yes.
YES/NO
wallace
Franks: Trump and Biden too old for the presidential game
https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/06/24/franks-trump-and-biden-too-old-for-presidential-game/
lincolnman
Well that would be a first - this guy is a walking time bomb that goes off randomly...he rants and raves like a lunatic...they better give him a padded cell....
Ah yes, the "Green Bay Sweep" - otherwise know by its author John Eastman as a VIOLATION OF FEDERAL STATUTE...
*Eastman admitted to Greg Jacob, Vice President Mike Pence’s counsel, who recounted a White House meeting on Jan. 4, 2021, in which Eastman said *he told Trump that his plan to thwart the counting of the Electoral College violated federal statute.
True, a better scam and con-job than any Nigerian Prince inheritance...and in MAGA-world they boast about being hustled....ROFL...
bass4funk
Ok, so you did what most hot-headed Trump hating libs do, you speculated
Ok, tear up the constitution and give the Supreme Court the middle finger, gotcha…
Not at all
According to the left, No.
So it’s game on now.
wallace
bass4funk
I was asking you not the "left" You have claimed numerous times Trump was elected twice. How does a twice-elected president stand for a third time?
Bob Fosse
What? He lost in 2020. If you believe he won in 2020 you disqualify him from running again in 2024. It’s really simple.
deanzaZZR
Lock him up.
Cards fan
lol Again. Not what I said. If Trump won in 2020 as you claim he did, then he couldn't run in 2024, which you've already acknowledged here:
bass4funk
So why are Dems unsuccessfully trying to stop this man "IF" they are so sure he can't run again? I mean, if they were that convinced and the law was 100% on their side they wouldn't have the subject the country through this. Again, I would have a lot more respect for the Dems if they just said, "I hate this guy and I want my party to stop at nothing and do anything and everything within their power, legal or not to stop this guy", I can respect that, I like honest people, but this lib circus, come on now no one believes this charade that the Dems are on some sort of democracy crusade. ROFL
Bob Fosse
Because they know he lost in 2020. Again, it’s really simple.
wallace
If Trump is elected president in 2024 then he clearly lost the 2020 election contrary to what Trump has stated since then, and his MAGA supporters.
bass4funk
https://www.axios.com/2023/06/09/trump-president-run-criminal-charges-indictment
Indictments, and even potential convictions, do not legally disqualify Trump from running for president in 2024 or from serving if elected, said Chris Edelson, an assistant professor at American University who specializes in presidential power.
"The clearest path to disqualifying Donald Trump running for office would have been if the Senate had convicted him in one or both of the impeachments," Edelson said.
Context: The Senate acquitted Trump in both of his impeachment trials in 2020 for abuse of power and 2021 for incitement of insurrection, respectively.
Between the lines: The Civil War-era 14th Amendment has a clause that bans anyone who "engaged in insurrection" against the U.S. from holding elected office without the approval of two-thirds of the House and Senate.
(But he was never charged with Insurrection)
After the Jan. 6 insurrection, Democrats accused Trump of engaging in "insurrection or rebellion" against the U.S. as defined in the 14th Amendment, which would prohibit any such person from "holding any office" if the Senate had convicted him.
Lawmakers also floated using the 25th Amendment to remove him from office at the time, which like impeachment didn't bar him from future office.
Reality check: Beyond impeachment and the 14th Amendment, the only other barrier to the presidency is the two-term limit. Trump is one of nearly two dozen U.S. presidents who have served one term.
But, but, but: Trump is also being investigated over efforts to subvert the 2020 election by special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to oversee both federal probes on Trump.
In a separate probe out of Atlanta on his efforts to subvert the 2020 election, a charging decision is expected this summer.
Experts, including Edelson, still expect him to be able to run.
Libs, strap in, it's going to be fun, and a lot of hair-pulling for y'all
Bob Fosse
Reality check. He lost in 2020.
Yes or no ?
lincolnman
And we learned something new this week about the "Green Bay Sweep"....the one its author confessed to being a violation of federal law....
"During Eastman's testimony on the stand as part of his disbarment trial he dodged a question on whether he and Trump had planned to replace VP Pence with Sen Charles Grassley when counting the electoral votes in Congress. "Grassley has consistently denied being part of any such discussions. However, it remains unclear how seriously anyone in Trump’s orbit considered using Grassley — or attempting to use him — to grant Trump a second term in office. Eastman was reportedly asked about the alleged plot during testimony he was forced to give this week as part of his disbarment trial in California. He cited attorney-client privilege as he declined to provide an answer. Asked which client he was referring to, he said, “President Trump,” according to Politico."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-trump-lawyer-keeps-mum-224737337.html
So this unlawful scheme was even going to prevent Pence from doing his Constitutional duty and instead bring in a "fake" replacement....
And it will all come out during the trials as all the MAGA-rats turn on one another...
Trump should start to measure the curtains for his cell at Leavenworth now....
bass4funk
Indictments, and even potential convictions, do not legally disqualify Trump from running for president in 2024 or from serving if elected, said Chris Edelson, an assistant professor at American University who specializes in presidential power.
Chris Edelson is by no means a conservative
https://journalnow.com/opinion/column/chris-edelson-the-surreal-possibility-of-another-trump-term/article_f1fdff0a-25a0-11ee-aa7d-3fa1fe148b80.html
plasticmonkey
Peter Navarro is the subject of this story. He's not running for public office.
Is this thread going to get run into the ditch again by you-know-who?
plasticmonkey
This is the infantile heart and soul of MAGA.
Keepyer Internetpoints
The decision may or may not have anything to do with Trump. I think the decision is correct.
But the result of the decision is going to have a LOT to do with Trump, like it or not.
I HATE Trump. But even I am starting to view him as the lesser evil.
This case aside, the U.S. government and court system has gone hog wild and stomped all over America values in this desperate bid to take Trump down and paint Jan. 6 as the second coming of the American Civil War.
Fact is Jan. 6 was already based on that sort of corruption. Its so bad that even I am hoping Trump wins the next election, even as I marvel that the country survived 4 years of his presidency. But the country has not yet survived 4 years of Biden.
2020hindsights
Keepyer Internetpoints
What? Since when has prosecuting crimes been described as "gone hog wild and stomped all over America values"?
Trump's indictments are the direct result of him allegedly committing crimes. They have been brought by grand juries of peers. There is nothing political in this process.
Bob Fosse
Believe me, I get it. You’re trapped.
stormcrow
People like Trump and this guy right here don’t think any laws apply to them.
Superlib
Has anyone here said a conviction bars him from running? If so, I haven't seen it.
You doin' OK? Your attention seeking shiposting seems to be on steroids tonight, just lashing out at anything and everything with more nonsense than usual.
Bad day at work or something? Maybe you should sign off for a bit.
Superlib
OK, well just checking in. You seem to need more attention tonight than usual. I wish you luck.
plasticmonkey
Why? Because you say so? ROFL
Trump?
Ditto. Scroll up. Not my style. I already answered that.
wallace
The conclusion from the MAGA supporters and registered conservatives is that Trump didn't win the 2020 election so he can stand for reelection in 2024 even with a criminal record. Would Americans want a President with a criminal record? Would that prevent him from traveling outside the US?
opheliajadefeldt
Trump did not win 2 elections as he claims, he won NONE. He was beaten by Clinton in 2016 by over 3 million votes, but put in the WH by a dubious and unelected Electorial College, which is not a bi-partisan thing. As for this idiot, Navarro, I watched a short video of him yesterday, on the streets begging for money to pay his lawyers fees. He has a a small fortune of $5 million so why is he not using that? ...Oh, I know, he thinks the magats will pay for it.