Fox suspends 2 analysts for language against Obama

It might be unacceptable for their air, but they can hardly call it "inappropriate" considering their talking heads say as much every day (in less vulgar terms, of course).

Off camera, the Fox staff made them clean up after they started flinging feces.

Fair and balanced, as always.

I agree with them 100%. However, you do need to have at least when working TV and on air, especially LIVE some decorum when you talk about the president, regardless how bad he is or how you personally feel and everyone has enough reason to say the things people say, I hear far worse and you can't blame the people, but to be on television and to utter those words is career suicidal. Can't excuse what they did, the move was a good one, hope they both learned their lessons and won't do something like that again. Privately, they can say anything they want.

I think it didn't have to do with Obama, but rather had to do with the analysts having bad cases of potty mouth that they didn't want associated with their network.

No, if they didn't want to be associated with those mouths, Fox would have banned them permanently. They only banned them for two weeks, which might be their normal appearance frequency anyway!

Off camera, the Fox staff made them clean up after they started flinging feces.

You should see the studio at and the elephant pile at msnbc.

Fair and balanced, as always.

If the shoe fits.

It might be unacceptable for their air, but they can hardly call it "inappropriate" considering their talking heads say as much every day (in less vulgar terms, of course).

And that's ok, but if that bothers you, then msnbc should be completely off the air, because when Bush was president, the vitriol and the nastiness of Olbermann and Schulz and some of the others that are thankfully no longer on the air were constantly saying THE most outrageous things about the president. As I said, privately, I couldn't care less, but when you are on TV or in print, you need to be careful, that is, if you value your career.

As opposed to questioning his birth certificate. For years.

FOX is trash.

Moreover, the Republican party must be destoyed.

Language vs. content. Its as simple as that. I was taught at a very young age that how you say something matters just as much as what you say.

Clearly the suspension was not about content. Rather, it was about the language. I suppose Roger Ailes wants to keep the language "classy", although I suspect this nuance is lost on those who have a fundamental problem with the content of Fox News programs.

In fairness to the Peters guy, he was asked what he was saying to the TV when the President was speaking, so in that sense he was only being honest about what he was saying to himself in private.

Add this to the Fox analyst who was recently arrested for constantly claiming he used to work at CIA.

Add this to the Fox analyst who was recently arrested for constantly claiming he used to work at CIA.

Claiming?? And what does that have to do with anything? Can you prove he didn't? Also, just because you're a TV analyst does t mean you can't get fired. MSNBC has fired more people for flapping their jaws and stupid and outlandish diatribes and had to issue more apologies than any other network.

False representation for egotistical boost and personal gain. Seems pretty obvious.

Anyway, what is your theory on his arrest?

Here's some classic Fox News (90 seconds):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h172eAPdPFo

“This guy is such a total pussy, it’s stunning,”

I admire it how former high ranking military officers can just come out and say such. They've done their service and certainly deserve our respect.

Can you prove he didn't?

The federal government certainly seems to think they can: http://time.com/4076218/wayne-simmons-arrest/

Yeah wc, he really put that fag Obama in his place. We can't all be real men like J. Edgar Hoover.

The federal government certainly seems to think they can: http://time.com/4076218/wayne-simmons-arrest/

The federal government? You mean Obama's federal government? Yeah, they would think so. Oh, why am I not surprised?

@sense

He was right. I didn't agree with that outburst, but he was correct.

“I felt like he could give a s—-, excuse me, like he could care less.”

This is not even a negative about Obama. It means there are issues about which Obama could care less, i.e. he does care to some extent. Obviously he meant that Obama could NOT give a s---, and could NOT care less. Poor grammar alone is sufficient grounds to punish someone who makes his living through words.

theeastisred: "Poor grammar alone is sufficient grounds to punish someone who makes his living through words."

Poor grammar, bad language, outright lies, and fear mongering are REQUIREMENTS for working at Faux 'news'.

bass4funk: "If the shoe fits."

Yes! Like I said, outright liars and fear-mongers. You know that because you worked there.

And it's really no wonder this 'news' station appeals to the GOP and other nuts -- just look at Cruz making up stories about Christians being threatened jail for making speeches (proven as an outright lie), how every time there's a mass shooting the company PRAYS it's Muslims or black people so that when they jump the gun the don't have to quietly ignore it later, as they have had to whenever it's a white shooter, and specifically one that pushes it's "baby parts" campaign.

Faux is a joke, and that this is the calibre of its reporters proves it. They are probably, behind the scenes, saying they agree with the comments, and are sorry they have to try and show some morals, etc. If they had any, the two would not be suspended for two weeks, but fired outright.

Another gem of a Bassism™:

He was right. I didn't agree with that outburst, but he was correct.

I didn't agree with (Fox wanchorman) Sean Hanitty's blatant lie (see link), but he was correct.

Yes! Like I said, outright liars and fear-mongers. You know that because you worked there.

Yes, I worked for more than 12 years with msnbc, I know all about fear mongering. That's one of the reasons why I left.

And it's really no wonder this 'news' station appeals to the GOP and other nuts --

Don't give me that, I have a few friends at FOX and quite a few are liberals, in fact, they have a lot of libs that work there and are deep, deep blue Obama boot lickers, the thing is, these are rational liberals that you can have a decent debate with, minus the emotions baggage that progressives always wear on their sleeves.

just look at Cruz making up stories about Christians being threatened jail for making speeches (proven as an outright lie), how every time there's a mass shooting the company PRAYS it's Muslims or black people so that when they jump the gun the don't have to quietly ignore it later, as they have had to whenever it's a white shooter, and specifically one that pushes it's "baby parts" campaign.

Question, why is it you never get outraged when Obama or Hillary lie? They do it daily, constantly, in fact, what a humdinger of a lie last week when Obama peddled that BS that ISIS was contained? And that he's doing all that he can? Or that it took him 7 years after the FBI report came back and told the WH that the San Bernardino attack was indeed a terrorist attack and I know they had to drag this president kicking and screaming to say and utter the words he so vehemently tried not to say for 7 years. Where's your condemnation about that?

Faux is a joke,

120 million would disagree.

and that this is the calibre of its reporters proves it.

Spare me, if it weren't for FOX we would live in a one-sided liberal slanted, bloviated progressive, echo chamber. Thank God for them and for Roger Ailes.

They are probably, behind the scenes, saying they agree with the comments, and are sorry they have to try and show some morals, etc. If they had any, the two would not be suspended for two weeks, but fired outright.

They might, you might be right, heaven knows that's how it was like when I was a msnbc and whoa is you if you go against the grain, especially if you were a conservative, just suck it up, man up and shut up. Sorry, I got tired of working for a communist outfit. Phil Griffin, nice guy, but they can keep that network.

@sense

You're not making sense.....again.

The analysts, former U.S. Army Lt Col Ralph Peters and actress Stacey Dash, were each ordered off the air for two weeks.

And this is why FOX is just a joke. Stacey Dash is simply a struggling/has-been actress with NO basis for commenting on any news subject, but appeals to the older, rural, lower income/education, white male demo that FOX commands. They only care about ratings and continuing to throw red meat to their base -- no matter what bass may claim.

@bass4funk,

Or that it took him 7 years after the FBI report came back and told the WH that the San Bernardino attack was indeed a terrorist attack and I know they had to drag this president kicking and screaming to say and utter the words he so vehemently tried not to say for 7 years. Where's your condemnation about that?

I think you must have meant Fort Hood in 2009, which was 6 years ago, yes? As San Bernardino just happened.

It's a talk show, why is it aired live?

If they air it an hour later, after editing the potty mouths out, would the world suffer so much?

Insults are for the weak minded. If you can't make a cogent argument, just hurl a cheap insult.

Spare me, if it weren't for FOX we would live in a one-sided liberal slanted, bloviated progressive, echo chamber.

Which would make the planet a better place than it is with Fox "News" in it.

What would really be the best though would be a balanced conservative network that didn't feel the need to make stuff up, and keep repeating lies, hatred and vitriol all the time. Fox "News" brings down the commentary.

Yes, I worked for more than 12 years with msnbc,

120 million would disagree.

bass, please. If you had been any closer to Msnbc than the front of your flat screen, then you would know what an out-and-out lie the 120 million figure is. The fact is FOX News' average primetime rating is a small fraction of that, and they only got about 10% of that number for the first Republican Presidential debate. But, please, just like your heroes there at FOX, don't let the facts get in the way of stating your point over-and-over again.

"I worked for more than 12 years with msnbc" You were CEO. Which years?

Claiming?? And what does that have to do with anything? Can you prove he didn't?

Fortunately for us, we don't have to. The government will do that for us. The guy says he was in the Navy, the Navy says they have no record of him. He says he was in the CIA, the CIA says they have no record of him. Fox News says they never paid him for his many times he came on their shows... which I find extremely hard to believe... but whatever.

A lawyer who has worked identity fraud cases in Illinois summed it up best. He said there's no law against assuming a fake identity UNLESS you use that identity to gain things you otherwise would not be entitled to. Then it becomes fraud. This guy used his fake background to get hired by a security firm, gain a security clearance based on the fake background, and actually ended up sub-contracted as a civilian adviser to high ranking military in the Middle East. The fact that he was a convicted felon should have prevented all that, but he wove the convictions into his fake background, claiming they were received while he was deep undercover for the CIA. He's been compared to Leonardo DiCaprio's con artist character in the Tom Hanks film, "Catch Me If You Can".

And this is why FOX is just a joke.

many people think the same about the people that think that about FOX.

Stacey Dash is simply a struggling/has-been actress with NO basis for commenting on any news subject, but appeals to the older, rural, lower income/education, white male demo that FOX commands.

But with a lot more money and she looks hot! Now contrast that with Al Sharpton who is a hustler and says nothing, but crap, gets paid a lot of money and looks like.... just fill in the blanks.

They only care about ratings and continuing to throw red meat to their base -- no matter what bass may claim.

Unless it's the BBC or PBS you'd better care about your ratings. You really don't understand about how the cable news outlets around the world operate. You may not like to watch and don't care and that's ok, but you are in the minority. FOX, CNN and to a lesser extent msnbc wouldn't be where they are at if it weren't for the viewers and FOX beats them all in virtually every demographic.

Which would make the planet a better place than it is with Fox "News" in it.

Would the liberals be leaving the planet as well???

What would really be the best though would be a balanced conservative network that didn't feel the need to make stuff up,

Really? Like what? By the way, what and how you would you regulate or find a liberal network that at least for once told the truth....about anything?

and keep repeating lies, hatred and vitriol all the time. Fox "News" brings down the commentary.

So that means more Americans and across the globe with 120 million and growing viewers apparently don't agree with you. Interesting....

The fact is FOX News' average primetime rating is a small fraction of that, and they only got about 10% of that number for the first Republican Presidential debate. But, please, just like your heroes there at FOX, don't let the facts get in the way of stating your point over-and-over again.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/09/01/fnc-ranks-as-the-number-1-basic-cable-network-in-august-primetime-among-total-viewers/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/category/cable-news/

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/10/09/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-oct-8-2015/

Not only prime time, Jersey. But nice try.

don't let the facts get in the way of stating your point over-and-over again.

You mean like in the way they do Obama's?

FOX beats them all in virtually every demographic.

Thank you for confirming that Fox is mainstream media. It's another one of R Murdoch's many vehicles pushing the GOP agenda, which is pretty Orwellian: “The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.”

I "could care less" what actress Stacey Dash thinks.

And I think I shall.

Stacey Dash is simply a struggling/has-been actress with NO basis for commenting on any news subject, but appeals to the older, rural, lower income/education, white male demo that FOX commands.

But with a lot more money

than herself?

... and she looks hot!

Pass the Kleenex!

@sense

You're not making sense.....again.

Greenhouse gas?

"...But with a lot more money and she looks hot! Now contrast that with Al Sharpton who is a hustler and says nothing, but crap, gets paid a lot of money and looks like.... just fill in the blanks."

The mindset of the tabloid-lover has never been better expressed. Murdoch makes billions out of this.

This is just awesome, watching conservatives and their meltdowns. Hopefully these will be the first of many.

Pass e the popcorn.

Thank you for confirming that Fox is mainstream media.

They are, they just don't suck up to Obama and can see right through his ideological spiel.

It's another one of R Murdoch's many vehicles pushing the GOP agenda, which is pretty Orwellian:

But George Soros pushing a progressive agenda isn't?? Seems pretty Orwellian to anyone that sees through the partisan rhetoric.

“The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake.

So now after almost 8 years of progressive and now that there is a very high possibility that the roles will be reversed liberals are now panicking? Seems like Schadenfruede to me.

We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power.”

Now you truly understand how millions of Americans feel with this Tyrantin office.

@sense

You're not making sense.....again.

The mindset of the tabloid-lover has never been better expressed. Murdoch makes billions out of this.

And do all the other CEOs and presidents from the other networks, they all just wish they could have the ratings and viewers that Murdoch has and kudos to him.

This is just awesome, watching conservatives and their meltdowns.

The way things are going now, I wouldn't exactly say that conservatives are having a meltdown as much as liberals are in complete denial, which is astonishing.

Hopefully these will be the first of many.

Are the Democrats still campaigning? Lol

Not only prime time, Jersey. But nice try.

bass -- just how bad at math are you, or, just how badly do you want to decieve the folks here? As I stated, the average FOX News primetime viewership is a small fraction of the 120 million you claim -- 1.72 million to be precise. You know full well the 120 million number is a bold-faced lie, but, you keep repeating it anyway. Just like FOX.

"The mindset of the tabloid-lover has never been better expressed. Murdoch makes billions out of this."

"And do all the other CEOs and presidents from the other networks, they all just wish they could have the ratings and viewers that Murdoch has and kudos to him."

I'm not disputing Murdoch knows how to flog a product. One of his first successes, UK tabloids, sold in the millions ( well, one went to the wall after it was discovered they hacked the phone of a murdered schoolgirl ). The Sun is still going strong with its mix of topless women and empty-headed rightwing chest-thumping. Fox is basically the latter but the 'hot' women are slightly more covered up. He knows a winning formula.

I always had the idea that I watched or read the news to be informed rather than entertained. That's why I read The Washington Post for US news. You seem to prefer the tabloid approach. Fair enough.

I saw the speech live and basically what the President said is, we're not going to react with guns blazing every time something happens. I agree. But these Fox News contributor's are paid to stir up the conservative pot. They're there to rile up and throw fear into Americans on a whole... at least the Americans that are foolish enough to watch and believe them. This is Fox's fault as much as their contributor's.

just how bad at math are you,

Actually, I'm not and again, you really don't understand what you are talking about. Whether you like FOX or not, they are THE go to news network for anything that deals with politics, CNN second. Not just the people, even at 120 million people, that NO chump change. That's more than the entire population than South Korea or even Los Angeles. Even the White House can't diminish the power of the network. When Obama tried that laughable stunt to wage war on FOX at that time already he looked like a desperate fool and gave the network more credibility than they already had. The man is thin-skinned, cannot handle any type of criticism whatsoever.

or, just how badly do you want to decieve the folks here?

I don't need to, but nice try.

As I stated, the average FOX News primetime viewership is a small fraction of the 120 million you claim -- 1.72 million to be precise.

And Jimmy Carter was the best president ever in US history.

You know full well the 120 million number is a bold-faced lie,

No, but I do know liberal love living in a world of their own make believe, just like this president.

but, you keep repeating it anyway. Just like FOX.

But you libs don't do the same? Of course you guys do, but only if it suits your argument, you guys will beat the subject again and again and again.....

I always had the idea that I watched or read the news to be informed rather than entertained. That's why I read The Washington Post for US news. You seem to prefer the tabloid approach. Fair enough.

In that sense, they are all tabloid, all of them, if not, you can never have or should enter the news business, that is, if you want to give away free papers, cover something that no one cares about like, the changing of the fall leaves.

"In that sense, they are all tabloid, all of them, if not, you can never have or should enter the news business, that is, if you want to give away free papers, cover something that no one cares about like, the changing of the fall leaves."

I can't become a journalist because I lack the kind of clarity and elegance in my writing on display there. Thanks for setting me straight, I think.

I can't become a journalist because I lack the kind of clarity and elegance in my writing on display there. Thanks for setting me straight, I think.

No worries! I'm always happy to bring happiness and wisdom to the lost. Now if we could only do the same for the president.

@Bass

No reply to the trail of slime following Murdoch which saw him fall from a man wooed by a succession of UK leaders to a man despised as the head of an amoral organization? This is a man whose publications hacked a dead girl's telephone and whose display of selective memory when questioned about this would have been comical if it wasn't so foul. I recommend a viewing of this. His publications created a race to the lowest depths of the sewer and the other tabloids followed suit.

This is a pretty despicable man at the head of a despicable organisation.

If you can't make a cogent argument, just hurl a cheap insult.

It seems to work for BillO!

(Heh!)

Whether you like FOX or not, they are THE go to news network for anything that deals with politics, CNN second.

They sure are the go to news. Their narrative is straight forward and concise. No bull.

Personally, I think you libs would be happy if we returned to the days of the old order of repression and keeping conservative opinions regulated to the back room of CNN "Cross talk" with old Bob Novak airing once a week.

Heh. Hard for them to reap that one bass . . . .

Yeah, embrace diversity! it's a great thing! Rejoice!

@bass4funk I get conservative but what do you believe President Obama should do? Its one thing to defend Fox News but what do you believe the USA should do?

Yeah I'm not sure what the 120 million number is either. He probably heard it in the bubble somewhere and decided to repeat it without much of an understanding of what it really is. We'll probably just have to chalk it up as another hit-and-run.

Its one thing to defend Fox News but what do you believe the USA should do?

Imo. They should halt the refugees from syria and overflow from Eastern Europe. (Sorry PEGIDA).

Beef up the air campaign along with france, uk & russia. Asses the results. Use the specialized forces obama "authorized" on the ground to conduct their raids and intel gathering.

Look for shady muslims "already" in the US and spy on their financial / travel activity. Remind all islamic refugees applying for "assylum into the red / white & blue that they really don't have any "constitutional right" to be in "our" country in the 1st place.

Land of the free, Home of the brave. Love it or leave it pal-

I get conservative but what do you believe President Obama should do? Its one thing to defend Fox News but what do you believe the USA should do?

Increase surveillance in the homeland and overseas, send in more special ops. Target and kill all top commanders within the jihadist groups, increase police presence. Give them as well as the the military, the tools and equipment. Whatever they need to cripple and dismantle the infrastructure of these terror cells within the country.

Yeah I'm not sure what the 120 million number is either.

I know and truly understand. If the numbers were 1billion you guys would dismiss them as well. Liberalism and truth work like oil and water.

He probably heard it in the bubble somewhere and decided to repeat it without much of an understanding of what it really is.

Actually, No. But the unicorn universe will give liberals the illusion that all is well and fine in Mayberry.

We'll probably just have to chalk it up as another hit-and-run.

Which liberals are masters of! Kudos!

Yeah I'm not sure what the 120 million number is either.

I know and truly understand. If the numbers were 1billion you guys would dismiss them as well. Liberalism and truth work like oil and water.

No we wouldn't. I agree with you on the 120 million number. The thing is, it's not so much compared to CNNs 300 million. That's really impressive. 120 million is nothing.

No we wouldn't. I agree with you on the 120 million number. The thing is, it's not so much compared to CNNs 300 million. That's really impressive. 120 million is nothing.

What are you talking about? FNC blows CNN out to n every demographics literally, they have been a distant 2nd for many years. I'm Telly you, you rally don't know. You think CNN is constantly shuffling their staff and changing their lineup because it's fashionable? They had to drop people, management changed. They even stopped being too far left to catch up to FOX and they really did themselves a favor by hiring Jake Tapper, a real good guy and an honest journalist and not a bomb thrower. It won't be enough to overtake FOX, but at least, they can get to a good second. Also you need to take into consideration that CNN has more affiliates in more countries than FOX worldwide. They've been around since 1980, 35 years 82% have it and FNC 81% and they've been on the air only since 1996. Pretty impressive, even msnbc can't come close.

And yet, CNN has 300 million viewers, and Fox "News" only has 120 million.

If it makes you feel better, these numbers only back up the fact that Fox "News" is not the mainstream media - they only have like 40% the viewership.

If it makes you feel better, these numbers only back up the fact that Fox "News" is not the mainstream media - they only have like 40% the viewership.

And growing. Actually, it doesn't make me feel either way and what you saying is wrong, Jeff Zucker schook up the entire network, did some shuffling and shake and bake and now runs his news network similar to FOX, which was a smart move for them. Also, you have to remember in homes and globally, FNC is growing, their numbers are through the roof and anyone that sees reality and doesn't use emotion in this knows it.

Nothing wrong about anything I'm saying. CNN has 300 million viewers. I got my numbers from the same source you got yours from.

I wasn't talking just specifically about the numbers. It's deeper than that. It's like a cake, you like looking at only the frosting, but you're missing the entire cake.

The thing is, CNN has 2.5 times the amount of cake that Fox "News" does.

Yup and still number 2.....for the last couple of years.

Yes, Fox "news" is number 2, since they only have 40% the viewership of CNN.

I got my stats from the same place you got yours.

Then we are in agreement, for once. Kudos. Good on FNC.

I'm glad you agree that Fox "News" is the lesser station. I figured you would defend them to the death.

I'm glad you agree that Fox "News" is the lesser station. I figured you would defend them to the death

No, I never said and you know it. Why would you fabricate a statement like that? I just choose to accept reality. Has nothing to do with opinions or with the viewership growing. Doesn't matter how we feel or wish, leave the personal emotion out of it. the numbers don't lie and I know what the networks have been doing over the last 12 years to catch up to FNC. That includes creating shows similar to FNC, hiring some really great talent and firing a few bomb throwers. That's why they hold a steady second, something msnbc could learn from, but near will, that's why no one watches them....

Why would CNN, with 300 million viewers, need to catch up with Fox "News", with only 120 million? That makes no sense.

If you worked n the cable news industry, you would understand. Having 300 million is not the main issue, as I said, CNN has been around since 1980, so of course the penetration in homes was for many years the gold standard, but that is slowly changing. You have to care about your ratings, if not, you're not going to have a job and you are going to need to fire a lot of people, even Trump knew this with his own show. Thanks to him NBC made a lot of money with his show. Having said that, and if you look at the numbers FNC is gaining ground and closing that gap, they've been on the air sinc 1996 with now 120 million and CNN with 300 million and been operational since 1980, to catch up to the once most powerful network is an astounding achievement for any network.

they've been on the air sinc 1996 with now 120 million and CNN with 300 million

Exactly - CNN is 2.5 times the network Fox "News" is.

Exactly - CNN is 2.5 times the network Fox "News" is.

Thanks to FNC, they have indeed improved quite a bit, but at this point, they won't retake the number one ratings slot and as long as they keep up their program line up the way it is, they'll hold on to a good and consistent second place ranking. Now if only msnbc would do the same, but I think they love to scrape at the bottom of the barrel.

According to the place you got your numbers from, Fox "News" only has 120 million viewers while MSNBC has 240 million, and CNN has 300 million. So it's seems like the one that is trailing way behind is Fox "News".

That's not what I was saying. I think you want to read into something what you want to solely focus on only. Like I said, ratings matters, thanks to them CNN improved significantly, but don't be looking for msnbc to catch up anytime sooner.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/for-first-time-ever-both-fox-news-and-fbn-both-rank-in-top-5-of-all-cable-tv-last-week/

http://deadline.com/2014/12/cable-news-ratings-fox-news-channel-wins-13th-consecutive-year-1201338131/

Like I said, ratings matters

I know, and with 300 million viewers, 2.5 times the ratings of Fox "News", CNN is obviously the better network.

I know, and with 300 million viewers, 2.5 times the ratings of Fox "News", CNN is obviously the better network

That you like to probably, which has nothing to do with FNC growing, expanding and CNN and msnbc are trying to play catch up. Good on Zucker to shift more to the center and at least not to appear biased by allowing more conservatives on and giving them more air time, which essentially saved that network. Griffin on the other hand is more slow, they're still trying to shuffle and see who will stay and who will go, but if msnbc wants to really do something good and to bring in viewers besides moving to the center they would get rid of Sharpton. That would be a monumental news breaking change.

But none of it really matters because CNN has proven themselves the top of the game, with 300 million viewers while fox "news" can only manage a paltry 120 million.

But none of it really matters

If you are a viewer, NO. If you work in the industry which is all that matters and especially if you are working for these networks, Oh, yes, indeed it counts and matters or you should just get out of the business.

because CNN has proven themselves the top of the game,

Yes, in a decent 2nd place. At least NOT 3rd like msnbc, which NO one watches.

with 300 million viewers while fox "news" can only manage a paltry 120 million.

And the fastest growing network domestically and globally.

And yet, they only have a paltry 120 million viewers, pathetic compared to 240 million MSNBC viewers, and 300 million CNN viewers.

And yet, they only have a paltry 120 million viewers, pathetic compared to 240 million MSNBC viewers, and 300 million CNN viewers.

Well, that's not true, but that's how liberals like you want to see it, so it's ok. I completely understand. Give it another 4 more years and watch the numbers, rankings go higher on FNC and watch the other networks try to play catch up.

Well, that's not true

I got the number from the same place you got your 120 million number. Are you saying that your numbers aren't true?

Anyways, these numbers prove MSNBC and CNN to be far superior to Fox "News". They need to catch up to MSNBC and CNN.

I got the number from the same place you got your 120 million number. Are you saying that your numbers aren't true?

I'm saying, you just want to see what you want to see from a viewer perspective, I see the numbers all the time, you are not getting it, you keep going about the viewership, that's not the issue.

Anyways, these numbers prove MSNBC and CNN to be far superior to Fox "News".

No, they prove the viewership in households, not overall in ranking, profit or political and social reach. Even the White House watches FNC to get better and more accurate information than from the other networks. They have been for the past 13 years. If you think personally they are better, can't argue with that. You are entitled to watch whatever you want. But when it comes to the operation. The other networks are trailing. If not, they wouldn't have needed to shuffle and fire staff and change their lineup. FNC didn't need to do it. But the others had to, if they wanted to stay relevant and when I am in LA, I always visit NBC studios in Burbank and I see the numbers. They have a very, very long way to go. But if they want to catch up to FNC, they need to let a bunch of people go, that would be half of their primetime pundits.

They need to catch up to MSNBC and CNN.

In a unicorn paisley fantasy universe, perhaps my friend. I too, dream of owning Disneyland.

It really bothers you that MSNBC has twice the viewership, and is therefore twice the news station, and therefore twice as good as Fox "News", and that CNN has 2.5 times the viewership, and is therefore 2.5 times the news station, and therefore 2.5 times better than Fox "News" doesn't it!

That's ok, Fox "News" just needs to try harder.

It really bothers you that MSNBC has twice the viewership,

No, because I was with them for over 12 years, I know that network, every inch of it. Both in LA and NY.

and is therefore twice the news station, and therefore twice as good as Fox "News",

That's not what the viewers are saying. That's not even what the majority of the Pentagon officials say or the WH for that matter.

and that CNN has 2.5 times the viewership, and is therefore 2.5 times the news station, and therefore 2.5 times better than Fox "News" doesn't it!

As a viewer, you can feel the way you want.

That's ok, Fox "News" just needs to try harder.

Actually, being number 1 in the primetime and mornings, they don't have to.

And yet, MSNBC is twice as good as Fox "News", and CNN is 2.5 times better than Fox "News" - the numbers prove it! I don't know why the numbers bother you so much, other than because they show that Fox "News" is only half the network of MSNBC, and only 40% the network of CNN.

I don't know why the numbers bother you so much,

I never said they did, I was saying, you are only focusing on one thing, I understand, it's how liberals view things from their viewpoint through a skewed and narrow prism. It's much more complicated than that. I already explained to you, but you just want to see things the way you want and that's ok.

other than because they show that Fox "News" is only half the network of MSNBC, and only 40% the network of CNN.

Well, if that were the only thing to go by, Zucker would be the happiest guy on the planet, but he's not. He's trying hard, very hard to get back to that number 1 slot.

I guess he wants to be in the same league as CNN, which with 300 million viewers, 2.5 times the viewership of Fox "News", is clearly the best news network. Even Fox "News" has admitted that. Check the place where we got our numbers, and you'll see that it's true!

So you can stop freaking out now. Everyone knows CNN is 2.5 times better than Fox "News".

I guess he wants to be in the same league as CNN, which with 300 million viewers, 2.5 times the viewership of Fox "News", is clearly the best news network.

You mean FNC? Ailes is on the top, got it right in 1996 and unseated CNN.

Even Fox "News" has admitted that. Check the place where we got our numbers, and you'll see that it's true!

What's true is since 1980 CNN has penetrated more homes in the amount of time it's been on the air, CNN didn't even come close in that short amount of time. Give it another 10 and and probably msnbc will be either off air or in a distant 4th.

So you can stop freaking out now.

I never do, Strange. No need to, buddy.

Everyone knows CNN is 2.5 times better than Fox "News

That depends on preference or how you see the world. Liberals think Obama is the best president since the creation of the US, but not according to realists and historians and now it's becoming even more evident that, sadly, that's not even close Anything but one ot the worst.

You mean FNC? Ailes...

No, I was speaking of the person you had mentioned in the previous comment. But yes, I'm sure Ailes dreams of achieving the perfection of CNN as well. Who wouldn't, when it's simply a dreamy news network of perfection.

What's true is since 1980 CNN has penetrated more homes in the amount of time it's been on the air

That's right, because CNN is the number one news network. 2.5 times the viewership of Fox "News" proves it.

That depends on preference or how you see the world.

No, it only depends one one thing - reality. Everyone, even you, knows CNN is 2.5 times better than Fox "News".

No, I was speaking of the person you had mentioned in the previous comment. But yes, I'm sure Ailes dreams of achieving the perfection of CNN as well. Who wouldn't, when it's simply a dreamy news network of perfection.

He already surpassed that. That's the reason why you have Ed Henry and John Roberts some of their biggest correspondents and a bunch of others running over to FNC.

That's right, because CNN is the number one news network. 2.5 times the viewership of Fox "News" proves it

And they're gaining, give it another 5-10 years.

No, it only depends one one thing - reality. Everyone, even you, knows CNN is 2.5 times better than Fox "News".

Lol, yeah if I lived in the liberalverse.

He already surpassed that.

Yes, he has already surpassed being a lesser news organization. Fox "News" only has 40% the numbers of CNN, and only half of MSNBC, which everyone, even the people at Fox "News", knows that makes CNN and MSNBC much superior news organizations.

It's ok, Fox "News" gets an G for 'good effort'! Maybe some day they can grow up to be a big boys news organization.

Yes, he has already surpassed being a lesser news organization.

Impossible, so then you are seeing something that even the presidents don't see? I had no idea you worked in the cable news business. ROFL

Fox "News" only has 40% the numbers of CNN, and only half of MSNBC,

Well,chats not true, but if you want to believe that, go ahead.

which everyone, even the people at Fox "News", knows that makes CNN and MSNBC much superior news organizations.

I see, that's why so many of them jumped the CNN ship to get a job at FNC. Gotcha! ROFL

It's ok, Fox "News" gets an G for 'good effort'!

As the number 1 network, they should.

Maybe some day they can grow up to be a big boys news organization.

Msnbc....maybe, but I doubt it. Remember, NBC created Trump.

And yet for all your comments, even the president of Fox has admitted that CNN and MSNBC are superior news organizations, and the Fox "News" is better described as 'news entertainment'.

So I don't need to be in the journalism industry, he said it himself.

(Quotes can be found in the same place as we got our numbers from)

And yet for all your comments, even the president of Fox has admitted that CNN and MSNBC are superior news organizations,

You're using Barack Hussein, the community organizer and adjunct professor as an expert on journalism or an expert on anything for that matter. That's like saying, "Vladimir Putin" is scared of Obama and people believe it.

and the Fox "News" is better described as 'news entertainment'.

Well, when you are presenting the news, the last thing you want to be is boring, that's why CNN and msnbc had to change their formats to follow the FNC mold to be more entertaining because they were putting people to sleep.

So I don't need to be in the journalism industry, he said it himself.

No one listens to Obama, if they did, gun sales wouldn't be through the roof after he tried to assure people, he's got everything under control just like ISIS. Lol Riiiight. The great thing is, the country doesn't have to fight anymore and we won't have to worry about pundits getting bent out of shape and saying things on TV. In 331 days when the celebrations of this joke is behind us.

You're using Barack Hussein, the community organizer and adjunct professor as an expert on journalism or an expert on anything for that matter. That's like saying, "Vladimir Putin" is scared of Obama and people believe it.

Obama is the president of Fox "News"? When did that happen?

Anyways, whoever the president of Fox "News" is, he admitted that both MSNBC and CNN are far superior news networks, and that Fox "News" isn't even news, it's news 'entertainment'. How can you argue with the president of Fox, when even he is admitting his network is the lesser network?

They just need to work harder.

Obama is the president of Fox "News"? When did that happen?

No, he's the worship God of more sucking national barack channel

Anyways, whoever the president of Fox "News" is,

Roger Ailes

he admitted that both MSNBC and CNN are far superior news networks, and that Fox "News" isn't even news, it's news 'entertainment'.

One thing...I must say about the majority of liberals have a very colorful, deep and vivid imagination.

Since joining the Company in 1996, Mr. Ailes has overseen the successful creation, launch and ongoing operations of Fox News Channel (FNC), which currently reaches more than 90 million homes. In January 2002, FNC passed CNN in ratings in all day parts and became the number one news channel in America, a position it has now held for 13 consecutive years. A top five basic cable network, FNC routinely dominates the cable news landscape, often beating CNN and MSNBC combined and consistently notches the top ten programs in the genre. Under Ailes’ leadership, FNC has achieved 70 consecutive quarters of profit growth and doubles its closest competitor in advertising and affiliate revenue,

21st Century Fox is the world's premier portfolio of cable, broadcast, film, pay TV and satellite assets spanning six continents across the globe. Reaching more than 1.8 billion subscribers in approximately 50 local languages every day, 21st Century Fox is home to a global portfolio of cable and broadcasting networks and properties, including FOX, FX, FXX, FXM, FS1, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, FOX Sports, Fox Sports Network, National Geographic Channels, STAR India, 28 local television stations in the U.S. and more than 300 channels that comprise Fox International Channels; film studio Twentieth Century Fox Film; and television production studios Twentieth Century Fox Television and a 50% ownership interest in Endemol Shine Group.

Keep trying, I know where you got that bogus comment from.

They just need to work harder.

Give CNN and msnbc some time, especially msnbc, hold your breath.

And even with all that, Ailes said that "MSNBC and CNN are far superior to Fox News, as Fox News is entertainment news and not real news sources like MSNBC and CSS".

So I guess he recognizes that Fox "News" needs to work harder, even if you don't.

Anyways, whoever the president of Fox "News" is,

Roger Ailes

So why did you say it was Obama? Having troubles keeping your stories straight?

And even with all that, Ailes said that "MSNBC and CNN are far superior to Fox News, as Fox News is entertainment news and not real news sources like MSNBC and CSS".

Where is the quote?

So I guess he recognizes that Fox "News" needs to work harder, even if you don't.

Now you are telling a very big fib. But show me the quote where Ailes personally said that. This should be good.

So why did you say it was Obama?

No, just repeating the fairytale you were weaving.

Having troubles keeping your stories straight?

No, sir. That would be the liberal conundrum.

You first. Where's your quote for this:

120 million would disagree.

If 120 million thought that CNN was better or even msnbc FNC wouldn't be as powerful as it is, NO WAY and to get under the presidents skin like it always does. If you are not powerful, influential as Obama said to O' Reilly. Because he believed the influence of FNC was undermining his admin. as if Americans can't think for themselves, that comment was insulting. Being informed and thinking and making personal opinions and decisions is something totally different.

No, I do know republicans love living in a world of their own make believe, just like Trump.

Just as equally as the Democrats. Both parties suck.

I never said anything about Obama - you brought him into the conversation by saying he is the president of Fox "News".

Obama couldn't lead a horse to a water hole, let alone properly lead the country, so there is no way he could even run a news network. You need to be smart to do that.

If 120 million thought that CNN was better or even msnbc FNC wouldn't be as powerful as it is

But 300 million thing CNN is the best, and even the president of Fox "News" has admitted that his is the lesser and weaker station.

Just as equally as the Democrats. Both parties suck.

Heh, you didn't realize I was quoting you there.

Obama couldn't lead a horse to a water hole, let alone properly lead the country,

And once again the guy who is whining about ad hominem attacks is making one.

And yet, CNN has 300 million viewers.

Much of that comprising bored business travelers who keep CNN on as background noise in their hotel rooms, as it's often the only English language news channel offered. And others who want to practice their English, as CNN is pretty much offered worldwide. Every time I turn it on, it seems like 50% commercials, 40% fluff pieces, and 10% news (poorly presented). Unwatchable to anyone with functioning brain cells. Fox isn't a whole lot better, but they at least attempt to show the other point of view at times. If one depends on any television network for their news, they are essentially lost sheep.

But 300 million thing CNN is the best, and even the president of Fox "News" has admitted that his is the lesser and weaker station.

If you want to believe that, who am I to burst your unicorn bubble.

Heh, you didn't realize I was quoting you there.

Then we are in agreement, good.

And once again the guy who is whining about ad hominem attacks is making one.

Whining? How so. I was just responding to the liberal hyperbole hypocrisies.

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I understand and respect that. On the CNN, I do agree with you, great tool for learning English. But other than that.....

Readers, enough bickering. Please focus your comments on the story and not at each other.