Macron urges a green light for Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia with Western weapons

Macron urges a green light for Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia with Western weapons

Historically France has started more wars than any other nation , In modern history that is.

Macron is off his rocker !

We don't need WW3 to start just to protect and defend the corrupt nation of Ukraine

It's not worth it

What will Putin say to Macron ?

“We don’t encourage or enable the use of U.S.-supplied weapons to strike inside Russia.”

Thankfully Kirby is thinking rationally.

The weapons supplied to Ukraine are for defending Ukraine in Ukraine and not for attacking Russia mainland

This war needs to end.

France is nuts. This is just crazy.

bass4funkToday  07:06 am JST

France is nuts. This is just crazy.

The rest of us aren't in love with Putin. Fire away I say.

It would be stupid to prevent Ukraine from striking the very things Russia is using to prosecute its war of aggression.

Mr GoodmanToday  06:55 am JST

This war needs to end.

It can only end with Putin since it wasn't possible to forcibly expel the criminals.

Russia is using foreign weapons to attack Ukraine. Why shouldn’t Ukraine pay it back?

Does anyone who is not a panderer to dictators have an answer?

France should train Ukraine at what they do best, surrendering.

Ukraine should not have been limited to start with. The NATO nations showed fear in the face of Putin's bluster. All it did was encourage him and prolong the war. This is how aggressors behave.

France should train Ukraine at what they do best, surrendering.

MAGA have picked up that mantle now.

Wick's pencilToday  08:32 am JST

France should train Ukraine at what they do best, surrendering.

They didn't surrender before burning Moscow down.

UAfanToday  08:30 am JST

Ukraine have zero chance t win over Russia even with max money flow to Kiev junta

Nonsense. Ukraine can and will make further advancement too costly, even for psychopaths like Putin.

these is zero chance to win over Russia by sanctions,freezing of funds etc but there is high chance when you directly attack nuclear armed country like Russia you will receive nuclear answer very asap-its called a nuclear wat or WW3 where nobody have chance to survive-even UA supporters making comments here everyday

It is Ukraine attacking with non-nuclear weapons, so it will be up to Russia to decide if they are tired of surviving and want to escalate.

Its about time to UNDERSTAND REALITY than make first step to normalization of ties.Kiev junta MUST discuss peace deal directly with RUSSIA asap no more time to waste.

The only thing that should be on the table is an unconditional ceasefire.

This war needs to end.

But it won’t until Putin accepts he’s lost, or all Russian soldiers in Ukraine are dead.

Afghanistan part 2.

The rest of us aren't in love with Putin. Fire away I say.

Well, then you shouldn't, but that still doesn't make sense as to why the French want to...but hey, better them than us.

What would it take for russia to back down and return to their border?

Wasted time for Macron, it won't happen..

The rest of us aren't in love with Putin. Fire away I say.

Your comments as a hormonal teenager seem to mean that you want World War III..

WasabiToday 08:56 am JST

What would it take for russia to back down and return to their border?

Getting rid of all of the fascists in Russia. I am not certain what would be left.

So he wants to transform this western proxy war against Russia to a direct war. Good luck with that...

I just hope Japan stays out of it...

So he wants to transform this western proxy war against Russia to a direct war. Good luck with that...

Please do not be confused, the aggressor in russia, putin must be stop!

Russia is using foreign weapons to attack Ukraine. Why shouldn’t Ukraine pay it back?Does anyone who is not a panderer to dictators have an answer?

Why dont you ask Biden WH that ? U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday. “We don’t encourage or enable the use of U.S.-supplied weapons to strike inside Russia.”

When it was determined that Russia was using North Korean ballistic missiles against Ukraine the US immediately supplied Ukraine with ATACAMS missiles which they promptly used to sink Russian warships in Crimean ports. The US didn't admit to this until well after the fact.

Your comments as a hormonal teenager seem to mean that you want World War III..

Quite the opposite is true. Learn the lessons of 1938. Peace in our time, to use the quote of a now disgraced former UK Prime Minister, but surrendering land to a despot didn't bring peace at all. It only whetted his appetite for further conquest knowing the west at that time was weak and not willing to take a stand that might lead to combat. The result was not Peace in our Time but rather WWII. If the west is unwilling to do everything necessary to stop the Russians from taking Ukraine, then you guarantee WWIII.

Ukraine complaining about the tanks the US gave them now.

nothing but complaints and further demands in response to our generosity.

France is nuts. This is just crazy.

Not defeating Russia is crazy. Learn the lessons of 1938! France that time sat on their hands and refused to come to the aid of Czechoslovakia. Neither would UK. We all know how that went. This is the same kind of situation. If the west backs down now then Russia will attack NATO directly and you will have your WWIII. Defeating Russia in Ukraine is probably the only way to prevent WWIII.

So, it turns out NATO is not a defensive alliance after all. What a whopper that one was. After Serbia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and the others we all knew that was a stylish lie from the smoke blowers.

Reeks of desperation to save their proxy. Kyiv has been trying to hide behind NATO to avoid facing the music for their crimes since 2014. They will pay for their long list of transgressions and be held to account.

BlacklabelToday 11:18 am JST

nothing but complaints and further demands in response to our generosity.

Because the MAGA "generosity" is laughable.

JJEToday 11:19 am JST

Reeks of desperation to save their proxy. Kyiv has been trying to hide behind NATO to avoid facing the music for their crimes since 2014. They will pay for their long list of transgressions and be held to account.

There are literally zero Ukrainian "transgressions" not instigated by far worse crimes by Russia.

The plot thickens because drones have been used to attack a nuclear missile early warning scanning facility of Russia's nuclear umbrella in Krasnodar Krai. Important to understand this post, one of many, scans the south and does not cover Ukraine. Washington knows this. In fact, it happens to cover over Iran and all through the Middle East, including their 5th Fleet in Bahrain. These are not Ukrainian attacks as such - these are thinly disguised western attacks with an ulterior motive not related to the conflict there. We don't know the extent of the damage (reports that it is negligible/superficial) but the repeated attempts indicate clearly the motive is to blind Russia over that region for Washington's own nefarious purposes.

Give them 20 or so warheads with a temporary renting contract and that's it. Russia has 6000 so it's not a real or significant threat. But it ends that useless war and irrational bloodshed between those two brother peoples, because then the price for Russia is dramatically increased on paper, a theoretical loss of its two or some biggest cities.

Why shouldn’t Ukraine pay it back?Does anyone who is not a panderer to dictators have an answer?

Why dont you ask Biden WH that ? U.S. National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said Tuesday. “We don’t encourage or enable the use of U.S.-supplied weapons to strike inside Russia.”

That doesn't answer the question about why Ukraine shouldn't use foreign made weapons to strike in Russia.

Anything Russia is doing to Ukraine should be on the table to return tenfold on Russia.

Transgressions start with the coup in 2014 against an elected government, the violence during it, the violence after it including the Odessa murders of 2/5/14 and the mass violence directed against the south-east, the banning of languages, persecution of cultures and ethnicities, the bombing and shelling of peaceful cities. There is a long list of punishable crimes - and NATO has been trying to prevent them being held accountable. The regime is far from the innocent little victims who suffered an 'unprovoked invasion'. They provoked it.

This is an extension of that for NATO, determined as ever to prevent justice being done.

Transgressions start with the coup in 2014 against an elected government

No, it started with an invasion by Putin and his authoritarian brigade.

You seem to forget you're posting on a board that is allowed to read media outside the Russian propaganda media.

This one is all on Russia, and all Russian soldiers in Ukraine must die.

Using NATO weapons to strike Russia is:

1) admitting openly NATO is a full-blown party to the conflict.

2) highlights the necessity of Moscow launching this defensive police-action to ultimately demilitarize Ukraine and prevent the weaponization of border lands.

3) not going to save Kyiv or change the results on the battle-front.

4) possibly lead to a grave escalation.

Using NATO weapons to strike Russia is:

1) admitting openly NATO is a full-blown party to the conflict.

If that's true, then China is already a full-blown party to the conflict, as Russia is using Chinese (and North Korean) weapons in Ukraine. So why shouldn't NATO join the party?

2) highlights the necessity of Moscow launching this defensive police-action to ultimately demilitarize Ukraine and prevent the weaponization of border lands.

They've been failing at that for 2.5 years now. Not much to fear from Russian incompetence clearly.

3) not going to save Kyiv or change the results on the battle-front.

Do you think they'll fall in more or less than 72-hours?

4) possibly lead to a grave escalation.

Nah, Putin isn't that stupid. And if he is, we aren't going to pander to dictators, collectively quarantining rabid Russia will be the only route.

nothing but complaints and further demands in response to our generosity.

Thats rich coming from the one who wanted to sell the country out to Putin.

What Chinese weapons is Russia using?

You must have your wires crossed (even the NK allegations are spurious - documented Kyiv has used NK sourced munitions though).

So he wants to transform this western proxy war against Russia to a direct war. Good luck with that...

Please do not be confused, the aggressor in russia, putin must be stop!

Naah, this did not start in 2022, it started in 2014:

Transgressions start with the coup in 2014 against an elected government, the violence during it, the violence after it including the Odessa murders of 2/5/14 and the mass violence directed against the south-east, the banning of languages, persecution of cultures and ethnicities, the bombing and shelling of peaceful cities. There is a long list of punishable crimes - and NATO has been trying to prevent them being held accountable. The regime is far from the innocent little victims who suffered an 'unprovoked invasion'. They provoked it.

Exactly!

This one is all on Russia, and all Russian soldiers in Ukraine must die.

Naah, this is all on Zelensky, Biden, Nuland, and Kolomoisky.

JJEToday 11:52 am JST

Using NATO weapons to strike Russia is:

1) admitting openly NATO is a full-blown party to the conflict.

It does nothing that sending ATACMS didn't. Russia will make up its own story regardless of what the west sends.

2) highlights the necessity of Moscow launching this defensive police-action to ultimately demilitarize Ukraine and prevent the weaponization of border lands.

Russia's borders were going to be heavily militarized the second it launched an illegal invasion of a neighbor.

3) not going to save Kyiv or change the results on the battle-front.

Absolutely can save Kyiv as there has to be a credible resistance to the fascist to get him to stop.

4) possibly lead to a grave escalation.

Russia is free to touch that hot coal anytime it wants, but it will pay the consequences like anyone else.

Because the MAGA "generosity" is laughable.

we gave them game changing tanks.

that Ukraine promptly surrendered to Russia, who owns them and our technology now.

Doesn’t surrender bother you still? That was a “thing” for you, repetitively for days before.

JJEToday 11:47 am JST

Transgressions start with the coup in 2014 against an elected government, the violence during it, the violence after it including the Odessa murders of 2/5/14 and the mass violence directed against the south-east, the banning of languages, persecution of cultures and ethnicities, the bombing and shelling of peaceful cities.

That's like the US claiming the Cuban revolution was a transgression against it. There will be no luck for you in pushing that angle. There was also no bombing or shelling until Russia had already made its illegal invasion.

There is a long list of punishable crimes - and NATO has been trying to prevent them being held accountable. The regime is far from the innocent little victims who suffered an 'unprovoked invasion'. They provoked it.

This is an extension of that for NATO, determined as ever to prevent justice being done.

You will never have your fascist retribution against a free people.

BlacklabelToday 12:15 pm JST

Doesn’t surrender bother you still? That was a “thing” for you, repetitively for days before.

I just like to mix things up since apparently the MAGA is comfortable being called a coward.

There was also no bombing or shelling until Russia had already made its illegal invasion.

Let's pretend the civil war waged by the Kyiv-coup-regime against the Donbass never happened.

Erase those inconvenient truths and go with the "unprovoked/illegal invasion" version of events.

Raw BeerToday 12:07 pm JST

Naah, this is all on Zelensky, Biden, Nuland, and Kolomoisky.

Careful, the CIA can throw down your government any second with their mind control weapons.

These "world leaders" easily bruised egos. See Macron waaaaay on the other side of the table with Putin. See also Xi dismissing Canada's Trudeau at a G20 meeting.

If Western countries sell these weapons to Ukraine, it should be fine for them to use as they see fit. So sell them to Ukraine for next to nothing.

JJEToday 12:19 pm JST

There was also no bombing or shelling until Russia had already made its illegal invasion.

Let's pretend the civil war waged by the Kyiv-coup-regime against the Donbass never happened.

Don't have to pretend. It would have been a police action without the illegal invasion of Russia.

Because the MAGA "generosity" is laughable.

we gave them game changing tanks.

No single weapon is game changing. The weapons mix is. And 30 tanks do not a game change make. This has been explained extensively by people who know a lot more about the topic than you. Granted, that’s a low bar to clear.

that Ukraine promptly surrendered to Russia, who owns them and our technology now.

As opposed to Trump selling it to the Russians. Are you mad that he was denied a business opportunity?

In reality, this is just more whining because MAGA are fascist-adjacent. They want the fascist in Moscow to win.

Ramsey's KitchenToday 12:19 pm JST

The only thing that should be on the table is an unconditional ceasefire.

True that. Ukraine is in no position to demand conditions.

Neither is Russia.

Kremlin has stated that repeatedly. Neocon interests chose to cross that line for their long term plans to strategically weaken and defeat Russia. Until the last Ukrainian.

No, they moaned about NATO and cried in their room. In any event, if Russia wanted friendly neighbors it had only to be a friendly neighbor itself.

Tell us what 'defeating Russia' looks like exactly. This conflict will end with a cease fire, negotiations and hopefully a peace treaty like the vast majority of wars.

Not defeating Russia is crazy

deanzaZZRToday 12:24 pm JST

Tell us what 'defeating Russia' looks like exactly. This conflict will end with a cease fire, negotiations and hopefully a peace treaty like the vast majority of wars.

There is only a peace treaty when land is returned. Russia doesn't return anything.

Ukraine has statues to WWII collaborators (built in the 2000s), torchlit parades and very controversial organisations that use some very indicative insignia that certain quarters turn a blind eye to - the fascist disease taken hold there will be rooted out.

Ukraine surrendered our game changing tanks to Russia.

someone is super quiet.

The end consequence is Moscow will now definitely take everything up until the Dnieper river and Odessa/Nikolaev. Everything beyond that will be wrecked and reduced to buffer-rump state.

That's where this is headed.