France surpasses 1 million confirmed virus cases

And yet the pandemic deniers continue to skew statistics and push their 'just a hoax/nothing but a flu' messages.

European nations tighten anti-virus measures as France, Germany see record daily spike:

The ravaging spread of the pandemic in Europe (especially its western part) has not even reached the peak yet, let alone flattening out or starting to decline..

People should drop their individualistic mentality and try to endure the stringent restrictions for a given period of time. Lest things would get impossibly out of hand.

The ongoing fight against the invisible virus is no small war, it must not be ignored or neglected..

Nobody notices how the media have switched their narrative from "deaths" to "cases"? "Cases" for a disease that kills almost no-one are of course irrelevant. But people must be kept scared, it seems.

Nobody notices how the media have switched their narrative from "deaths" to "cases"? "Cases" for a disease that kills almost no-one are of course irrelevant. But people must be kept scared, it seems.

I saw a report on the BBC which pointed out the 7-day moving average of deaths from Covid in France went from around 7 a day in August to the current rate of 173 a day. That is a 25-fold increase.

I know you’ve claimed that the number of deaths has no relation to the number of new infections, but I’m still not sure where you think these deaths are coming from.

Nobody notices how the media have switched their narrative from "deaths" to "cases"? "Cases" for a disease that kills almost no-one are of course irrelevant. But people must be kept scared, it seems.

Yes, indeed. It has been noticed.

Experts say the real numbers of infections are probably much higher than the ones governments around the world are reporting because of a lack of tests early in the pandemic, asymptomatic cases and other issues

Not here in J-land. Our experts, media, bureaucrats, local governments don't think so despite the super low tests.

I wasn't aware that the virus is more dangerous between 9 p,m, and 6 a.m.

where you think these deaths are coming from.

What deaths ? Since last March, I've had a number of deaths in my circle of acquaintances... like always. Were their traffic accidents, cancers, diabetes or whatever caused by Covid ? I don't rule it out. It's possible the care they received was delayed.

That is a 25-fold increase.

There is no way I missed that. No way. Not even a 2 fold increase

where you think these deaths are coming from.

What deaths ? Since last March, I've had a number of deaths in my circle of acquaintances... like always. Were their traffic accidents, cancers, diabetes or whatever caused by Covid ? I don't rule it out. It's possible the care they received was delayed.

That is a 25-fold increase.

There is no way I missed that. No way. Not even a 2 fold increase

Current best estimate for infection fatality rate, as per CDC:

0-19 years: 0.00003

20-49 years: 0.0002

50-69 years: 0.005

70+ years: 0.054

.....and for THIS our politicians ignore constitutional rights and destroy economies?

Insane.

zichi

The increase in cases may not lead to more deaths but anyone who needs to be on a ventilator may develop long term effects from the virus.

One thing the medical profession has learned is that ventilators do more damage than good. Are you perhaps clinging outdated stories from a time when the virus was much less known than today?

Sorry the precedent post went too early... and in double

I wasn't aware that the virus is more dangerous between 9 p,m, and 6 a.m.

It's dracula-covid... daylight protects you. Well my conclusion is no matter how big/small the threat, the previous "restrictions" have proven totally useless and now we are still going into lockdown again (that will be announced within next week) ... so that will not work better at saving lives and improving people's healths, that will be just as useless. So why suiciding our economy ?

anyone who needs to be on a ventilator may develop long term effects from the virus.

Yes and no.

The already weakened patients will not have "long term effects" of anything, neither of Covid nor of the treatment for it.

I don't want to be cynical, but a lot of people are as we say here "at the end of the rope". It's a secondary effect of so much progress in medicine. I mean it's a reality that in our modern societies we often live an "end of life" period, months to years when you are either very aged ot very affected by a severe illness/condition, and in such a period we go to hospital often, ventilator and such just gives you a couple of months more, but you have no hope of getting your healthy condition back. 50 yrs ago, we'd just die at home. No ventilator.

Now, we are not given the data on the health status of people they treat for covid with ventilators. There is huge mediatic exposure of very few cases of young healthy people that became covid patients and got the biggest after-effects, the most sudden deaths. But not a clue about the frequency of the problem.

That is a 25-fold increase.

There is no way I missed that. No way. Not even a 2 fold increase

?

Current best estimate for infection fatality rate, as per CDC:

0-19 years: 0.00003

20-49 years: 0.0002

50-69 years: 0.005

70+ years: 0.054

Links, please. This looks suspect.

This is a story about France. Why are you ‘quoting‘ CDC figures? Are these figures specific to France?

Are you still standing by your belief that the spikes in infections have no relation to the spikes in deaths?

Jimizo

Links, please. This looks suspect.

Go to the CDC page. It is right there.

This is a story about France. Why are you ‘quoting‘ CDC figures? Are these figures specific to France?

Because I have a bookmark to the CDC page. Do you expect the French figures to be radically different?

Are you still standing by your belief that the spikes in infections have no relation to the spikes in deaths?

Yes. "Infections" do not mean deaths, and reflect testing more than anything else.

Links, please. This looks suspect.

Go to the CDC page. It is right there.

Quote exactly what it says and what you posted.

This is a story about France. Why are you ‘quoting‘ CDC figures? Are these figures specific to France?

Because I have a bookmark to the CDC page. Do you expect the French figures to be radically different?

You are aware that fatality rates differ by country, aren’t you? Please tell me you know this. Keep it relevant and accurate.

Are you still standing by your belief that the spikes in infections have no relation to the spikes in deaths?

Yes. "Infections" do not mean deaths, and reflect testing more than anything else.

Why are deaths increasing in France? The figures from France show a large increase in deaths per day alongside a large increase in infections.

After you’ve dealt with this, please post the figures which show what must be a huge increase in testing in France.

You’ll have to flesh this out to make any sense whatsoever. Otherwise, again you come across as someone whose sense of honesty has been horribly mutilated by political bias and a pathology for conspiracy theories.

Don’t join that herd.

Jimizo

[quote]Quote exactly what it says and what you posted.[/quote]

Check yourself. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html , table 1. You are welcome.

[quote]You are aware that fatality rates differ by country, aren’t you? Please tell me you know this. Keep it relevant and accurate.[/quote]

Not only by country, but also by area. In this case case, the CDC figures are based on USA figures, which are a slightly higher than France. So for France, you might want to lower them even more.

[quote]Why are deaths increasing in France? The figures from France show a large increase in deaths per day alongside a large increase in infections.[/quote]

How do you define “large”? Keep it relevant and accurate. What I see is a slight increase in daily deaths, nothing remotely like the spike in March/April. And nothing to justify sensationalist headlines.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/

[quote]After you’ve dealt with this, please post the figures which show what must be a huge increase in testing in France.[/quote]

You can only talk about “cases” if you have testing. If you test more, you find more “cases”, if you test less, you find fewer “cases”. Simple fact.

[quote]Otherwise, again you come across as someone whose sense of honesty has been horribly mutilated by political bias and a pathology for conspiracy theories.[/quote]

Thanks for the deep argument. I could comment on as what you come across as, but Ill pass.

Links, please. This looks suspect.

Here you are. France's very official site. Yes that looks suspect because everyday the data they measure changes so you cannot follow what KPI increases :

https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/maladies-et-traumatismes/maladies-et-infections-respiratoires/infection-a-coronavirus/documents/bulletin-national/covid-19-point-epidemiologique-du-22-octobre-2020

They say :

"65% des personnes admises en réanimation âgées de 65 ans et plus et 90% avec comorbidités

More than 90% of people in "reanimation" (which does not equate "under ventilator" but all type of life support) have several illnesses. So it is not clear if they are treated for Covid or for the other illness. For instance, if you are Covid positive and you go to ER to be revived due to a stroke or a sugar drop or an asthma allergic fit, you're in the Covid stat too... but that's not Covid that made you "cardiac", diabetic or allergic, not clear if Covid aggravated your problem or not.

If you go as far as page 31, you get the incomplete chart of all deaths in France (it stops in August). So you see that last Spring the seasonal pick was higher but narrower, compared to other years. People died under a different "schedule", more at the same time, but not many more over the season. I heard doctors explain there was nearly no one getting the flu this year, so less flu deaths... and the persons got Covid instead.

Well, there was no doubling (certainly no 25 fold...) of France's death rate.

But I clearly know in real life, a large number of people that lost a job, lost their business (over a dozen just in my street ) and/or lost the roof they had over their head. Maybe they want to lock me down so I can no longer go count how many hundreds of cardboard houses on the banks of the Seine.