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Good for France. These are not the people you want working in a science based health service...

No Jab... No job!

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These are not the people you want

Prejudice and discrimination are clear signs of ignorance of complex social issues.

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But 74 percent have had one dose only, suggesting that many people are holding out against the jabs despite their widespread availability.

They're gonna have to fire 1/4 of the country.

Like those brave nurses who quit rather than give up their rights to bodily autonomy, a sizeable chunk of citizens simply won't budge.

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C'est la vie.

As a Canadian of French heritage, I say go for it. End as it may.

Fleur-des-lis or guillotine?

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Welcome to the future, anti-vaxxers!

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Some 3,000 suspensions were notified yesterday to employees at health centers and clinics who have not yet been vaccinated," Veran told RTL radio.

Wonderful, and don’t let them claim unemployment benefits.

That compares with 2.7 million health workers overall, Veran said, adding that "continued healthcare is assured".

3000 out of 2.7 million, goes to how the idiots form a small minority.

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They're gonna have to fire 1/4 of the country.

Dobreyo, mathematics doesn’t seem to be your strength sir.

Like those brave nurses who quit rather than give up their rights to bodily autonomy, a sizeable chunk of citizens simply won't budge.

Sir, those brave nurses can be brave sitting at home , I am sure their bravery is enough to sustain them when the unemployment benefits stop.

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I think people should get the jab, but I fully support their decision not to.

C’est la vie

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Jeffb...

Prejudice and discrimination are clear signs of ignorance of complex social issues.

These are supposed health professionals. If they are choosing to put their patients at greater risk they are not the professionals you need. Its not a complex social issue. The science is in on this one, its clear cut. Vaccines work.

No Jab.. No Job!

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Many nurses in particular have been reluctant to get vaccinated, citing safety or efficacy concerns, posing the risk that France's inoculation drive could stall.

What do these medical professionals on the front lines of the covid pandemic know that I don’t? I would really like to hear there reasoning for going so far as to give up their livelihood to avoid getting a covid vaccination.

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What do these medical professionals on the front lines of the covid pandemic know that I don’t? I would really like to hear there reasoning for going so far as to give up their livelihood to avoid getting a covid vaccination.

Exactly.

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What do these medical professionals on the front lines of the covid pandemic know that I don’t?

Apparently not much. To be fair, that is not raising the bar very high.....

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A better question would be, "What is this very small minority ignorant of?" or "Why are they impervious to facts and science? It would seem a prerequisite for a career in medicine...."

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facts and science? It would seem a prerequisite for a career in medicine...."

It is.

which begs the question of what is going on that make people who work in careers where science and fact is required not want to take the vaccine? we arent talking about rappers or conspiracy theory, but people who work in the field willing to lose their job over it. Its a valid question.

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Actually it begs the question of why supposed "science experts" are "immune" to facts, science and expertise?

I mean, comparing a line nurse's expertise to that of a PhD level virologist is like comparing Senator Lens Crafters to a cardiac surgeon. They are both technically Doctors, but not on the same level.

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which begs the question of what is going on that make people who work in careers where science and fact is required not want to take the vaccine?

3,000/2,700,000. What an absurd comment to make.

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who has access to actual patients and sees what happens to individuals who are injected?

A soccer player on the field wouldnt know anything about what is going on in the game, its only the coach who knows anything, right? the coach is the "expert".

comparing a line nurse's expertise to that of a PhD level virologist

You dont have to be in a majority opinion to be correct.

3,000/2,700,000. What an absurd comment to make.

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we arent talking about rappers or conspiracy theory, but people who work in the field willing to lose their job over it. Its a valid question

And it has a very obvious answer, why do you think giving antibiotics for viral infections is so common? or that about a million of injuries due to medical mistake in the US happen every year?

It is simple, a degree do not guarantee people will be prepared to do their jobs, and a small minority will be in the wrong everywhere you search, for some is being too gullible about conspiracy theories, for others rational thinking is not their best characteristic, other may have other interests in mind above the health of their patients, for some it may be as simple as thinking too much about themselves refusing to do what they are told. They don't have the scientific evidence on their side, by definition their position is irrational.

who has access to actual patients and sees what happens to individuals who are injected?

Thanks to medical science anybody with access to that information. Why thinking a nurse that have seen 100 patients is more likely to be correct than a specialist that have seen the full data of 100,000?

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3,000/2,700,000. What an absurd comment to make.

Those are just the first batch of nurses that flat out refused and are willing to lose their jobs.

There are thousands upon thousands more who took the jab reluctantly and are now embittered.

With each booster, more and more will say no.

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There are thousands upon thousands more who took the jab reluctantly and are now embittered.

Dobreyo.

Does becoming embittered affect their immunity, do shed some light from your vast experience.

With each booster, more and more will say no.

Please don’t spread disinformation, it’s not worth it!

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Like those brave nurses who quit rather than give up their rights to bodily autonomy, a sizeable chunk of citizens simply won't budge.

Being dead is permanent loss of bodily autonomy. These sadly misinformed losers probably have inoculations for many other diseases like MMR but the COVID vaccination is a no go for these 3000. Hey, some people still believe the earth is flat too. There is no end to the impact of stupidity in society but when it comes to a pandemic stupid people have no right to kill others.

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You dont have to be in a majority opinion to be correct.

True, but when science, facts and expertise are not on your side, it's generally a bad thing in terms of "correctness".....

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This is obviously feeding the conspiricy theorists again. Reminds me of something that happened recently.

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You dont have to be in a majority opinion to be correct.

While that is true, it's not likely. It should tell you something when only 3,000 out of 2,700,000 workers have been suspended. At any rate, that wasn't really my point. The point is that when one says things like,

which begs the question of what is going on that make people who work in careers where science and fact is required not want to take the vaccine? 

You're kind of setting up a false premise. People working in the medical field have overwhelmingly chosen to be vaccinated. 1/900 hardly means "people who work in science don't want to take the vaccine."

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Health care workers should not be in that profession if they don't care about their patients protection from deadly disease.

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1/900 hardly means "people who work in science don't want to take the vaccine."

I didnt say that. If 1/900 people who work in science question this, they should be heard.

not just falsely claining that the issue is settled because somehow "science, facts and expertise are not on your side"

who exactly confirmed that to be the case that science, facts and expertise (in their own profession) is not "on the side" of these nurses? Fauci?

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Fun fact: 3,000 out of 2.7 million healthcare workers equates with a rejection rate of 0.11%. A rebellion indeed....

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I didnt say that. If 1/900 people who work in science question this, they should be heard.

So no one body or agency can make any decision unless 100% of all affected agree? That is absurd, society would no longer function.

not just falsely claining that the issue is settled because somehow "science, facts and expertise are not on your side"

It is settled.

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Avenger

Health care workers should not be in that profession if they don't care about their patients protection from deadly disease.

That's basically all that needs to be said.

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It is settled.

its actually not. or we wouldnt be taking about it. There wouldnt be people in the streets in countries and there wouldnt be opinion polls that are 50/50 on vaccine mandates.

and of course if you DIDNT agree with what was going on, you would be concerned that medical professionals (and many others) are in disagreement. but you agree, so its ok and you dont care (this time).

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As the Delta variant became dominant in the U.S. this summer, data showed that unvaccinated Americans were 4.6 times as likely to be infected, 10 times as likely to be hospitalized and 11 times as likely to die from Covid-19 than vaccinated people.

Fact, not opinion. Anti-vaxers are the ones dying from their own delusions and conspiracy theory nuttiness. They need to be protected from their own stupidity like helmet laws for motorcycle drivers who want bodily autonomy. But non-helmeted riders only kill themselves usually, the anti-vaxers kill themselves and others as well.

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its actually not.

Actually it is. The French government has concluded that the refusal of French emergency and medical workers to get vaccinated poses a risk to the health and safety of colleagues and patients alike. I didn't decide that, the French government did. Why else would be the French government make such a decision?

or we wouldnt be taking about it. There wouldnt be people in the streets in countries and there wouldnt be opinion polls that are 50/50 on vaccine mandates.

Without checking the accuracy of your claim, that 50% of people are against a mandate is not the same thing as saying 50% of people are refusing or don't support the vaccine.

Also, one's opinion, particularly that of non-medical professionals, is no proof that the vaccines don't actually work. Are you trying to say vaccination policy should be decided by feelings and not actual science?

Lastly, at what point would you consider the science of the vaccine settled? Must 100% of the medical community support vaccination mandates in order to pass such a requirement?

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Those are just the first batch of nurses that flat out refused and are willing to lose their jobs.

There are thousands upon thousands more who took the jab reluctantly and are now embittered.

With each booster, more and more will say no.

Correct. And as the requirement for boosters and new vaccines to combat the ever increasing numbers of “variants” continues and increases some of the very people on this site vociferously pushing the vaccines now will find themselves unwilling to go along with it and, as their vaccination certificates expire, joining the growing ranks of the un-vaccinated.

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Why else would be the French government make such a decision?

liberal politics. Nothing “scientific” about it.

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"liberal politics. Nothing “scientific” about it."

Just for your information, the virus doesnt care whether you are right wing or left.

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Put those nurses with the anti vaxxers and send em all to Mars. They shouldn't have the privilege to live among those vaccinated and spreading viral death. If so, do it among themselves, and quit being so utterly selfish. France is right to suspend the nurses.

Viruses mutate. It's what they do. One strain leads to another and unless the idiots quit lying and believing something as stupid as their freedoms are being taken away by getting a necessary vaccination or waiting for a herd immunity that isn't going to happen, variants will continue until there is one that visibly causes death, ubiquitously. No fear mongering, it's reason anti vax fools cannot or will not comprehend.

Could be variant 14 or variant 100...but with the false narrative created by the lies of alternative facts, just wish the anti vaxxers could get sent to place they all gather and live with each other, and the vaccinated don't have to associate with them.

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liberal politics.

To what end? They're just enacting "liberal" policies, just because?

Nothing “scientific” about it.

What do you mean, " nothing scientific? The vaccine is approved, it's effective at preventing Covid 19 and at limiting the severity of an infection. The fact is that most people dying now are unvaccinated. Anti-vaxxers have no facts.

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There are thousands upon thousands more who took the jab reluctantly and are now embittered.

With each booster, more and more will say no.

This is pure supposition. Given the accuracy of the Far-right posters here, I'll give it the consideration it is due (which is to say none).

Here's another prediction: The vast majority of the healthcare work force will realize that the proven safe and effective vaccines will keep both them and their patients safe and will take the vaccine without whining like a petulant child.

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Why do people assume that anyone who questions the necessity, safety or efficacy of vaccines also believes that the world is flat?

Because they want to believe that the other is stupid.

Keep to the vaccine discussion.

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What do these medical professionals on the front lines of the covid pandemic know that I don’t? I would really like to hear there reasoning for going so far as to give up their livelihood to avoid getting a covid vaccination.

They see first-hand what these vaccines do to people.

Thanks to medical science anybody with access to that information.

We do not have access to all the information, we only get to see the information that big pharma wants us to see.

Why thinking a nurse that have seen 100 patients is more likely to be correct than a specialist that have seen the full data of 100,000?

Nurses see the effects of the vaccines first-hand, they see the real raw data, instead of the controlled "data".

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What do these medical professionals on the front lines of the covid pandemic know that I don’t? I would really like to hear there reasoning for going so far as to give up their livelihood to avoid getting a covid vaccination.

They see first-hand what these vaccines do to people.

Those not vaccinated are a small minority.

What do the vast majority see?

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exactly. they see that the person they gave the vaccine to only 2 days ago comes back and dies.

the "full dataset" people dont see a problem about that one person dying, as they are focusing on 100,000 people data sets and claim its only 0.00001% or whatever of total people and inconsequential. While also claiming its unproven in the data why that person died and its "still under investigation" (forever).

As opposed to the experience of the person who injected the vaccine into a healthy person who 2 days later comes back dead. Much different experience between the 2 groups.

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exactly. they see that the person they gave the vaccine to only 2 days ago comes back and dies.

the "full dataset" people dont see a problem about that one person dying, as they are focusing on 100,000 people data sets and claim its only 0.00001% or whatever of total people and inconsequential. While also claiming its unproven in the data why that person died and its "still under investigation" (forever).

As opposed to the experience of the person who injected the vaccine into a healthy person who 2 days later comes back dead. Much different experience between the 2 groups.

Really? So explain this....

I would recommend it," Mr Trump said during an interview on Fox News Primetime on Tuesday. "I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly." He added: **"It's a great vaccine*, it's a safe vaccine and it's something that works.

Trump is urging everyone, but specifically his supporters in MAGA-world, to take the vaccine - he assures you all that it is safe and effective...

But a majority of MAGA-world think the "Trump vaccine" doesn't work, that it contains "mind control chips", and will make you sterile...

So isn't Trump endangering his supporters by recommending they take this clearly ineffective and dangerous vaccine?

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