France warns of Israeli strike on Iran nuclear sites

It is a tragedy. Israel has to do it in order to survive, but it can´t. So, we are looking forward to the new holocaust in slow motion.

Visiting French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner warned that Israel would strike archfoe Iran

Seems a bit foolish for a diplomat to be making such an announcement to a newspaper, but alas, we're talking about the French.

I see an Iran that is developing nuclear power.

And I see the United States (bush and co.) and Isreal plotting a strike on Iran. They have been seriously talking it up for three years now.

That's how I see it. < :-)

It is a tragedy. Israel has to do it in order to survive, but it can´t.

Poppycock. If Iran ever makes a bomb, they will not be able to deliver it to Israel. But that will not stop Israel from nailing Iran, probably with those nukes we all know Israel possesses, that very second.

Iran does not even border Israel for Pete's sake. I think you just get off on war. Why not play a video game, and get it out. --Cirroc

Seems a bit foolish for a diplomat to be making such an announcement to a newspaper, but alas, we're talking about the French.

Israel has said it themselves in the past, and quite clearly. Whereyabeen? --Cirroc

Sorry CavemanLawyer but Israel's not going to allow Iran to have nukes, no matter how angry that makes you.

Caveman

they will not be able to deliver it to Israel.

Ever heard of the Iranian Shahab-3 or Ghadr-110 medium-range ballistic missiles? Their range is within striking distance of targets in Israel and can carry a nuclear payload.

Israel has said it themselves in the past, and quite clearly.

Please provide sources where Israel quite clearly states it will strike Iran.

The thing is, the Israelis can do pretty much what they want in this area, as any retaliations by Iran will bring big brother the US into the equation.

Cavemanlawyer:

" Poppycock. If Iran ever makes a bomb, they will not be able to deliver it to Israel. "

Sorry, but that is poppycock. Firstly, the Shahad missile covers the distance already now, and if there are problems North Korea is sure to help with missile technology. Secondly, they don´t even have to shoot it all the way from Iran; getting a nuclear weapon to Syria will do nicely.

soldave:

" The thing is, the Israelis can do pretty much what they want in this area, as any retaliations by Iran will bring big brother the US into the equation. "

Retaliation by Iran will include shutting down the straight of Hormuz, and there is nothing the US can do about that

WilliB - "We are looking foward to the new holocaust in slow motion"

I guess you mean "we are looking at the new holocaust in slow motion"...

Yeah, it's may be only a matter of time before Israel will be forced into using their nukes. I fear for the loss of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives...

WilliB

Retaliation by Iran will include shutting down the straight of Hormuz, and there is nothing the US can do about that

With all respect, do you really think the US or EU or China or anyone else would allow Iran to shut down the straight of Hormuz? It's not going to happen.

Firstly, the Shahad missile covers the distance already now, and if there are problems North Korea is sure to help with missile technology.

I do not believe the country's very first nuke is going to fit on that particular missle. Maybe one our refined warheads, but not theirs.

Secondly, they don´t even have to shoot it all the way from Iran; getting a nuclear weapon to Syria will do nicely.

I am sorry, I thought Syria was Saddam's bossom buddy and inherited all of his WMD. But that would be suggesting you believe something you may not.

So, okay. I want to know if they are going to roll that nuke through Iraq or through Turkey? Or perhaps put it on a ship to go around Africa, through the straits of Gibraltar and across the Mediterranian to Syria's shore? --Cirroc

The thing is, the Israelis can do pretty much what they want in this area, as any retaliations by Iran will bring big brother the US into the equation.

The thing is, the Iranians can do pretty much what they want in this area, as any retaliations by Israel will increase Iranian support from liberals in the West.

Israel has always said it will not wait for the bomb to be ready. I think that the Iranians know. Everyone knows.”

Is there any reason why one should wait for the their worst enemy to do so?

The newspaper’s print edition quoted Kouchner as saying that Israel would “eat” Iran

Wonder if it would taste like chicken?

Sarge:

" Yeah, it's may be only a matter of time before Israel will be forced into using their nukes. I "

Wrong. Even with all all its nukes, Israel would not be able to wipe out the entire islamic ummah, or even the Arab countries around it with is 5 million sq kilometers. Tiny Israel, with its pithy 6 million Jews sitting on 10,000 sq kilometers is a "one-nuke country". One nuke on Tel Aviv would make the State of Israel (the "illegal zionist entity" for Ahmedinejad) unviable. One nuke, sayonara Israel. The Iranian mullahs like Khameini have already stated exactly that.

Israel has no chance, it is finished if Iran gets the nuke.

george bush and Isreal would love, absolutely love to attack Iran. But the republicans are loosing their creditability as world leaders and understanding of world affairs. < :-)

adaydream: Bush and Israel would only attack, if the threatfrom Iran was considered serious enoigh.

A strike would ultimately make the world more peacefull, as Iran could not terrorise thwe world with nukes.

F&B

"One nuke on Tel Aviv would make the State of Israel (the "illegal zionist entity" for Ahmedinejad) unviable. One nuke, sayonara Israel. The Iranian mullahs like Khameini have already stated exactly that."

I disagree. Israel has not existed as a territorial country for the better part of 2000 years. 69 AD to 1948 if you care to do the math. Yet Israel has existed in the diaspora for all those centuries. A nuke on Tel Aviv would be a terrible thing and Israel will likely use a non-nuke pre-emptive strike to slow down Iranian progress to a bomb a la what happened to Iraqui and Syrian reactors.

But even if Tel Aviv was gone there would still be an Israel. The Iranians have got it as wrong as GW and WMD in Iraq.

I do not believe the country's very first nuke is going to fit on that particular missle.

I did some research. The Shahab 3 can carry a warhead of about one ton, but does not seem to be designed for a single warhead of that size. But lets assume it can anyway.

That means that Iran will have to make a nuclear warhead of one ton. That would be quite a feat for a nation's first nuke!

No, before they get anywhere that stage, they will have to do some explosion tests. There is no way they are going to successfully miniaturize a nuclear warhead until they at least get that out of the way. As soon as Iran does that test, they will be toast. They will not have a day to get to the miniaturization process.

Stalling them on this is fine as long as we play fair and remain mindful of Iran's security situation. If American's were in Iran's shoes, they would clawing their eyes out with worry. --Cirroc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_delivery

Historically the first method of delivery, and the method used in the two nuclear weapons actually used in warfare, is as a gravity bomb, dropped from bomber aircraft. This method is usually the first developed by countries as it does not place many restrictions on the size of the weapon, and weapon miniaturization is something which requires considerable weapons design knowledge.

There is no way they are going to successfully miniaturize a nuclear warhead until they at least get that out of the way. As soon as Iran does that test, they will be toast.

Kind of makes you wonder why they're heading in that direction, eh?

Stalling them on this is fine as long as we play fair and remain mindful of Iran's security situation.

Iran funds and arms terrorist groups that target innocents. They have a secret nuclear program that they refuse to give details about. They deny the holocaust and threaten genocide against Israel. They actively try to destabilize the governments in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, et al.

...and all you have to say is that you want to make sure they get treated fairly with special attention given to their security concerns? Sure....because if they can't assassinate elected leaders of Lebanon, who will, right? ;)

Kind of makes you wonder why they're heading in that direction, eh?

What direction? Do you have any proof whatsoever that they are trying to build a nuclear bomb?

They have a secret nuclear program that they refuse to give details about.

Like Saddam refused to give details about WMD?

They deny the holocaust and threaten genocide against Israel.

Denial of the Holocaust again! Please get off the soapbox if you are going spout such meaningless pap! Who gives a crap if they deny it or they don't?

As for the genocide threats, quotes please. Just don't be dumb and bring up "wipe off the map" mistranslated crap. That particular figure of speech is English only. Only thick skulled war mongers repeat it.

Iran funds and arms terrorist groups that target innocents.

Proof and names please. I am thinking your terrorist group might by my freedom fighter, and my idea of targeting an innocent might be your idea of collateral damage.

Then we will talk about who the U.S. bankrolls.

They actively try to destabilize the governments in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, et al.

Are you trying to make me laugh? Actively trying destabilize! Imagine if they invaded two of those countries! You would have a conniption fit! --Cirroc

What direction? Do you have any proof whatsoever that they are trying to build a nuclear bomb?

They've had a clandestine nuclear program for decades and they are stonewalling any attempts by the UN to learn about it.

Like Saddam refused to give details about WMD?

Exactly.

As for the genocide threats, quotes please. Just don't be dumb and bring up "wipe off the map" mistranslated crap. That particular figure of speech is English only. Only thick skulled war mongers repeat it.

Gosh, I'm sorry. Am I soiling your pristine image of the Iranian government? Please tell me what Iran's position is regarding Israel and we can take it from there.

Proof and names please.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel, working with Hamas, Syria, Hezbollah. Will that suffice for now?

How's that rosy image of Iran looking in your eyes now?

Then we will talk about who the U.S. bankrolls.

Of course we will. It's a wonder you haven't brought that up yet. I mean what are you going to do...actually defend Iran? Of course not....if it comes down to that then you'll just defend Iran by attacking the US. And I'm guessing that will be starting in 3...2...1...

I am thinking your terrorist group might by my freedom fighter

Let the truth be told. Which Jihadist group is your freedom fighter?

Maybe we hate Iran for their freedoms?

They've had a clandestine nuclear program for decades and they are stonewalling any attempts by the UN to learn about it.

I asked for proof and this is all you have? It is truly a wonder that you have so much conviction. No messages from God?

Like Saddam refused to give details about WMD?

Exactly.

What? That would be saying Iran does not have a nuclear bomb program and you just have a paranoid mind!

Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Israel, working with Hamas, Syria, Hezbollah. Will that suffice for now?

Iran funds and arms Israel, and Israel is a terrorist group that targets innocents? What are you playing at? You have named whole countries mostly, even Iraq, and only two groups. And you left out the PKK. Surprised you did not include the PLO.

Probably Hamas is the most clearly a terrorist group. Guess which of our buddies is also listed by the U.S. State dept. as funding them.

This area is too complicated to argue with someone just spouting random names. I mean, c'mon! Israel? Iraq of what era? If you make a serious list, I will address it.

How's that rosy image of Iran looking in your eyes now?

I have no rosy image of Iran, Israel, or even the United States.

it comes down to that then you'll just defend Iran by attacking the US.

Pointing out similarities and inconsistencies is an attack? This is exactly the kind of hyper-sensitivity Americans need to avoid when dealing with this issue. --Cirroc

If you want evidence of Iran's secrecy and non-cooperation there are plenty of articles available on the internet for you to look at. If you've ignored all of them that have already been written I don't see why I need to go through the effort to produce more which you will again ignore.

Iran funds and arms Israel

I was listing names and thinking of Israel being attacked and their name slipped in. Obviously.

I have no rosy image of Iran, Israel, or even the United States.

But what about Canada? There's also the Ivory Coast as well. Any other countries you want to slip in just so you can ignore Iran? I mean isn't that what you really do anyway: ignore Iran?