Japan Today
world

Biden and Zelenskyy will sign a security deal, as G7 leaders agree to use Russian cash to help Kyiv

39 Comments
By DARLENE SUPERVILLE and COLLEEN LONG

The requested article has expired, and is no longer available. Any related articles, and user comments are shown below.

© Copyright 2024 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.

©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.

39 Comments

Comments have been disabled You can no longer respond to this thread.

Whatever deal Biden makes with Zelenskyy will get changed when Trump becomes president

-7 ( +6 / -13 )

Whatever deal Biden makes with Zelenskyy will get changed when Trump becomes president

That isn't happening.

4 ( +10 / -6 )

Relatively lengthy article but only mention of what this "security agreement" does not contain; not what it actually does or allegedly does.

*Sullivan called the security agreement a “bridge” to when Ukraine is invited to join the NATO alliance — a long-term priority of Zelenskyy’s that the allies have said will first require an end to the Russia-Ukraine war and that Putin has steadfastly opposed.*

What is left of Ukraine will NEVER be permitted to join NATO. You can bank on it. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. What they mean by "when Ukraine is invited" is Kyiv will have to win the war and push Russia out - which as anyone can see is Alice-in-wonderland type thinking. It will never happen.

*The president will skip a Ukraine peace conference in Switzerland this weekend to jet to Los Angeles for a campaign fundraiser with big names from Hollywood.*

Well, that explains the real priorities. There are a lot of lame ducks who are politically dead in the water at this G7 meeting; this may well be their last hurrah and probably his too.

Some of the most recent announced Patriot systems probably won't even make it - they will be interdicted en route. The US system is being pulled from covering US troops in Poland at a known location and will be closely monitored by birds in orbit, humint etc. Then there is the interceptor shortage.

Also important to keep in mind Zelensky's term as president has expired and question marks swirling around him as to legitimacy. Anything he signs is not worth much.

-8 ( +5 / -13 )

JJE

What is left of Ukraine will NEVER be permitted to join NATO. You can bank on it. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. What they mean by "when Ukraine is invited" is Kyiv will have to win the war and push Russia out - which as anyone can see is Alice-in-wonderland type thinking. It will never happen.

They don't have to push Russia out - I'm not sure why you keep insisting on this. There are many other ways this conflict ends and the most likely is that Russia withdraws its troops.

3 ( +8 / -5 )

American politicians respond to psychological coercion, especially when they have an psychological inferiority complex like most Americans politicians do,

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Poor Putin, I guess he will have to print more Money that's all.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Biden administration on Tuesday announced it would send Ukraine another Patriot missile system to help fend off Russian strikes*

Those Russkie flying shovels again.

-4 ( +5 / -9 )

A treasure trove of Kremlin propaganda. Guess at least one person believes it all.

Well, that explains the real priorities. There are a lot of lame ducks who are politically dead in the water at this G7 meeting; this may well be their last hurrah and probably his too.

Some of the most recent announced Patriot systems probably won't even make it - they will be interdicted en route. The US system is being pulled from covering US troops in Poland at a known location and will be closely monitored by birds in orbit, humint etc. Then there is the interceptor shortage.

Also important to keep in mind Zelensky's term as president has expired and question marks swirling around him as to legitimacy. Anything he signs is not worth much.

1 ( +4 / -3 )

Maybe not victory, but they are taking out lots of Russian aircraft and oil infrastructure lately. Ukraine is fighting the smarter way lately. They just need to make Putin's war too costly to continue.

so Kiev regime is one step closer to victory?

ok1514 when UA will prevail?

why I did not find this crucial info in this lengthy article...?

also no daily UA winning news here-ischezli?very very upset...

3 ( +6 / -3 )

*Russian military’s resurgence and China's economic *might

The beans counters, pollsters and the pundits have been telling us the opposite ad nauseum:

Russia is out of missiles, tanks and running on shovels. Light is at the end of the tunnel for Kyiv, just a few more aid packages or as long as it takes.

China is in economic chaos, sinking and will be begging for handouts and saving from the collective west in no time.

Complete opposite is true: Russia is winning and China is growing.

G-7 clown car rides again.

-6 ( +3 / -9 )

fallaffel

Today 09:26 am JST

Maybe not victory, but they are taking out lots of Russian aircraft and oil infrastructure lately. Ukraine is fighting the smarter way lately. They just need to make Putin's war too costly to continue.

Despite the propaganda and the pinpricks Ukraine does to get western news headlines here is what the IMF says:

Russia's economy is expected Russia to grow 3.2% in 2024, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%).

So the to costly to continue is not happening, at least not now,

Then look at arms production by Russia and the entire western alliance, everyone is admitting Russia is far out producing the west and regardless of the pinprick attacks by Ukraine for news headlines, it cannot stop that because of the sheer size of Russia and production located far to the east way out of rage!

Manpower: despite Ukraine propaganda, everyone including allies admits Ukraine is short on manpower and desperate for men, sending troops with little or no training to the front now! As for Russia it has far more troops not counting the 300 to 400 thousand conscripts in Russia not involved in the fighting.

And for a reality check on the ground, I suggest you look at the interactive map by ultra pro Ukraine DeepState UA map at deepstatemap.

Scroll back and forth to see who has taken more territory each day!

DeepState is very pro Ukraine supported by the Ukrainian government and despite it being slow now to update the map to the true daily situation, even it cannot hide the daily losses by Ukraine!

I know, I know my pointing out facts and the reality on the ground must make me a pro Putin, a Russian bot, A commie, etc... I have heard them all.

But the facts are the facts, and I am just pointing out the reality.

-2 ( +3 / -5 )

Btw Biden's facial expression in that photo is quite telling.

-1 ( +4 / -5 )

Maybe not victory, but they are taking out lots of Russian aircraft and oil infrastructure lately. Ukraine is fighting the smarter way lately

Would you be so kind as to list these facts geographically? Otherwise, the Russian media does not write anything about it. Of the last, especially notable facts, I can only mention two breakthroughs by Ukrainians of the Ukrainian-Hungarian border towards Hungary. The first one on an old GAZ car 32 men and the second one - on a minibus 20 people. People are fleeing from mobilization, they don't want to fight. And there's nothing you can do about it.

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Whatever deal Biden makes with Zelenskyy will get changed when Trump becomes president.......That isn't happening.

Guess we,ll all see in November.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Russia's economy is expected Russia to grow 3.2% in 2024, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%).

I know economics isn’t your forte, but larger economies are naturally going to have lower rates of growth than smaller ones. Check out the growth rates for really poor countries if you want to see some big numbers.

A poor person’s net worth grows by a much larger % than a rich person’s does if they each get a Benjamin handed to them.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

And for a reality check on the ground, I suggest you look at the interactive map by ultra pro Ukraine DeepState UA map at deepstatemap.

What does that map say about Vovchansk?

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

Otherwise, the Russian media does not write anything about it.

Russian media probably not saying much about all the AD getting pummeled in Crimea either, are they? I wonder why that might be.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Refusing to even look at s map of the battlefield like that of pro Ukrainian deepstatemap because they don't want to admit Ukraine has lost even more territory, they refuse to admit, Russia is out producing the west despite even major western news and analysts are saying it, they refuse to admit Ukraine has lost massive numbers of troops despite Ukraine saying it has a manpower shortage.

Ukraine isn't winning, Russian economy hasn't collapsed, Putin isn't on the verge of being overthrown, Russia isn't sending troops in with only shovels, Russian equipment isn't falling apart on the battlefield, and Russian conscripts are not fighting in Ukraine as is being pointed out now even by western media, etc...

So the facts are the facts but by not even admitting what is clearly visible, does make one wonder if western supporters of Ukraine have a problem seeing what is on a map and understanding numbers!

-4 ( +3 / -7 )

Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni supports providing aid and weapons to Ukraine.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

Russia's economy is expected Russia to grow 3.2% in 2024, exceeding the forecast growth rates for the U.S. (2.7%), the U.K. (0.5%), Germany (0.2%) and France (0.7%).

I know economics isn’t your forte, but larger economies are naturally going to have lower rates of growth than smaller ones. "

LOL, what a novel theory and a great way to cope with this. Russian economy was supposed to have collapsed under the mighty sanctions.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

AS - since you do seem to know a thing about history, then you probably know to the nearest million how many Ukrainians died resisting the invaders in WWII. I don’t know how many more people Ukraine is prepared to lose fighting off the invaders, but I’ll bet it’s a lot.

The Ukrainians aren’t going to surrender to Russia. All of Ukraine is Ukraine, and as long as Ukraine continues to resist the invaders, the free world will continue to support her.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

RK - it’s not a novel theory and it’s not even economics, more like basic math.

3 ( +6 / -3 )

RK, it took us decades to collapse the much larger and disciplined USSR. We are patient.

1 ( +5 / -4 )

RK - it’s not a novel theory and it’s not even economics, more like basic math.

Actually its more like a cope UCP. The sanctions that were supposed to economically collapse Russia turned out o be a complete failure that just keeps on hurting the western public thanks to the persistent inflation they are significantly contributing to.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

What does that map say about Vovchansk?

That there is currently a stalemate in Vovchansk. Which also proves that since Russians are having hard times taking a small Ukrainian town , any talk of Putin wanting a war with NATO is just pure scaremongering by western propaganda machine and NAFO crowd.

-2 ( +2 / -4 )

The conflict started the minute the first Russian soldier crossed Ukraine’s internationally recognized borders.

Russia is a land. culture, and people thief.

1 ( +4 / -3 )

UChosePoorly

Today 10:53 am JST

And for a reality check on the ground, I suggest you look at the interactive map by ultra pro Ukraine DeepState UA map at deepstatemap.

> What does that map say about Vovchansk

That Russia has taken the entire north side of it on the north bank of the river and Ukraine sent 30,000 troops to fight 4,000 and Russia presently has 10,000 in both northern areas against 30,000 Ukrainians not able to push Russia back!

It also shows that by sending these 30,000 from the southern front ( as Russian seemed to have planned) Russia now had taken more territory in the south because Ukraine moved their only effective troops to the Kharkiv region to barely hold back Russia!

It would help if you did look at the map, first!

-2 ( +4 / -6 )

RK, it took us decades to collapse the much larger and disciplined USSR.

Yes, that is true.

We are patient.

The upcoming changes in leadership in many EU countries and likely US will change the direction.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

RK - I do believe that Putin knows the real deal vis-a-vis NATO dominance, but someone should really tell those Russian TV personalities. They often allude to war with other countries or nuking other countries. They are like Russia’s version of Fox and Friends.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

The upcoming changes in leadership in many EU countries and likely US will change the direction.

That’s why we vote. See you in November!

0 ( +3 / -3 )

UChosePoorly

Today 11:03 am JST

AS - since you do seem to know a thing about history, then you probably know to the nearest million how many Ukrainians died resisting the invaders in WWII

Yes I know history, did you forget that Ukrainian Nationalist joint the Nazi?

Camp guards, SS troops, Ukrainian special police used to round up the people of killed in Babi Yar, the OUN responsible for massacres of Poles Jews etc..are honoured today in Ukraine, etc..

Yes I know it, do you?

-3 ( +3 / -6 )

AS - the vast majority of Ukrainian deaths in WWII were at the hands of the Germans. Of course, the killing of innocents is to be abhorred, but after the oppression the Ukrainians faced in the USSR in the 1920s and 1930s, you can almost understand why some would side with the Germans.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

UAfanToday 11:27 am JST

US puppets have ended badly...history can say so

I'd say Germany, SK, Taiwan, and Japan are doing good. I wouldn't describe them as puppets but you probably would.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Mr GoodmanToday 07:04 am JST

Whatever deal Biden makes with Zelenskyy will get changed when Trump becomes president

Depends whether Trump decides grabbing his ankles is good for his potential successor or reputation.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

JJEToday 07:16 am JST

What is left of Ukraine will NEVER be permitted to join NATO. You can bank on it. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER

Yes, and if you jump up and down enough, you can convince yourself this is true. Meanwhile Russia has no way to prevent Ukraine being armed with whateeeever NATO feels like short of nukes.

Also important to keep in mind Zelensky's term as president has expired and question marks swirling around him as to legitimacy. Anything he signs is not worth much.

Sounds like a problem for Russia as there will be no one else to negotiate with.

China is in economic chaos, sinking and will be begging for handouts and saving from the collective west in no time.

Well we don't yet know how bad things will get for the Chinese economy. We've certainly seen a lot of Xi smiling with Biden.

Complete opposite is true: Russia is winning and China is growing.

Yes, Russia has won a fine dog house for itself.

-3 ( +2 / -5 )

There have been many successful hits on planes and radars/air defense systems in Crimea and Belgorod.

Would you be so kind as to list these facts geographically? Otherwise, the Russian media does not write anything about it.

-3 ( +1 / -4 )

Articles, Offers & Useful Resources

A mix of what's trending on our other sites