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Anybody his size( 6'4, 300 pounds) is a threat, even if unarmed.

The store video shows he was definitely not gentle.

One of the witnesses shown on TV was his partner in the robbery.

And yet everybody seems keen to vilify this police officer , who by firing the shots, might have saved his own life.

Shots fired to the front, no gunpowder residue???

Ted Danson sure looks good doing that, but it ain't for real.

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Obviously they didn't do a good job on the first autopsy if they can only reveal now that the kid was shot 6 times -- which is ridiculous. No gun residue? My guess is he was cleaned off after the first, and likely rushed, autopsy. How come we're not hearing the police come up with excuses like they thought he had robbed a convenience store (because THAT deserves six bullets!), or if it was not close range, how is it that the suspect was trying to wrestle the gun from the officer in the front seat of the car when it went off (as they initially claimed)? and then went off another five times, evidently.

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but the NY Times article also said:

The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access.

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No gunpowder residue found in the bullet holes, indicating that Brown was not shot at close range. Seems to corroborate eyewitnesses on this point.

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Latest autopsy, Brown was shot at least 6 times

“In my capacity as the forensic examiner for the New York State Police, I would say, ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,’ ” said Dr. Baden,

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

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I don't think people are making a saint out of him. In a way, the fact that he was not a saint really helps highlight exactly what this case is about without any added sentimentality. This is about the standards that we expect from police officers. They have a difficult job to do dealing with a hostile public. We train them and pay them accordingly. If they fail to do their job properly, they have to suffer the consequences. Just like a doctor who kills a patient by prescribing the wrong medication or the bus driver who causes an accident. Otherwise we might as well hire untrained security guards for half the cost of trained police.

I'm certainly not cut out to be a police officer. I'd be terrified and would lose my nerve. But that's exactly why I don't choose to put on a badge and walk the streets enforcing the law with a loaded gun. All officers encounter violent and hostile suspects on a regular basis, but 99.9% of professional and trained police officers don't end up shooting unarmed suspects.

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Stealing a box of cigarillos does not justify public execution. There is also no definitive proof yet that the man in the store video was Michael Brown. Even the store owners have spoken out through an attorney saying that they never believed the man in the video was Michael Brown. Only the police have claimed as such. Besides, the police officer who killed him did not know that he was suspected in connection with the robbery, so that wasn't why he killed Brown.

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The autopsy has just revealed that Michael Brown got shot 6 times from front. This news just came in about 6 min. ago.

No words.

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His family called him a 'Gentle Giant'.

The store video clearly quashes that. No wonder the family is 'outraged'!

Whether his shooting was justified remains to be proved, but we will know sooner or later.

Meanwhile lets not try to make saints out of criminals.

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The U.S. Justice Department announced that a federal medical examiner would carry out a second autopsy on Brown's body, citing the case's "extraordinary circumstances."

Waaaiiit... Eric Holder's "Justice" Department?!?

Eric Holder's agency that paid Al Sharpton to start protests after the Martin shooting? And look, there's Al Sharpton in Missouri! What a coincidence!

Eric Holder, who recently said he is "proud" to be an activist Attorney General?

The family was already planning to hire a renowned independent forensic pathologist, so why is Holder ordering another autopsy to be overseen by his "Justice" Department?

Bringing in Holder to prevent corruption is like drinking alcohol to prevent dizziness.

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Michael Brown was a big boy. It would likely take a a few random shots to stop him especially if they use 9mm cal. pistol. Its a punch and not a hard one at that. It would need to hit a vital organ to stop him in his tracks. Or well place to kill immediately. With panic or rage shooting placement is unlikely. Other than that blood loss would drop him with more time and death shortly after that.

I still prefer to wait until the OFFICIAL FACTS are reported though it may be looking more and more likely the cop was in the wrong.

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Similar case happened here a few years back. A male teenager was driving his family car without a driving license (he was under the age to qualify him for a license) was asked to stop his car by the policemen. But he didn''t. The policemen gave a chase, gave a warning but the teenager would not pull over. And then a few shot were fired & the teenager was finally, unfortunately dead.

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How and why he was shot is still to be established but trust me, this guy was no boy scout.

So? What relevance does this have other than victim blaming?

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The storekeeper was trying to stop him leaving the store and he just swats him away with one hand. How and why he was shot is still to be established but trust me, this guy was no boy scout.

All people have good and bad in them. But one should not have to be a "boy scout" to avoid being executed by a police officer when they're on their knees, and unarmed with hands raised.

How would a boy scout signal surrender?

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I was watching an interesting piece over the weekend about Michael Brown. With each story they show a shot of this smiling shiny cheeked young fella. I'd say it was taken about 5 years ago.But then they showed a store surveillance camera of him where he had just robbed the store (same day he was shot). The guy is HUGE. The storekeeper was trying to stop him leaving the store and he just swats him away with one hand. How and why he was shot is still to be established but trust me, this guy was no boy scout.

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There a lot of things that don't make sense. Police taking action when they shouldn't and not taking action when they should. There's a lot things wrong with this situation.

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We don't know if he was hit by that first shot (while at the cop's car), and depending on where he was hit (remember Brown was a big guy) a round in the back may have little effect. No matter what though, when Brown turned around with his hands up, the cop should have stopped shooting.

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@Strangeland

Patrol cops are also not packing 357 magnums, hollow points, armour piercing bullets or any kind of explosive rounds. It will definitely depending on the placement of the shot, the size of the person, adrenaline, distance, caliber of gun, and luck. Yes, they might die later from the wound but not immediately.

It is possible to be shot and turn around like the witnesses claim. Especially if he wanted to get medical attention!

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Well whatever the type of gun, I'm sure the medical examiner's report could answer all of our questions if they would just release it.

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I have ZERO idea of what happened (nor does anybody else that wasn't there) so I can't begin to suggest what should be done.

That being said, there's no shortage of youtube vids and liveleak vids of cops shooting people with no apparent reason.

Bottom line is police are getting away with a lot of unnecessary violence. Whether or not this is another case remains to be seen.

Situation is similar to the riots in London a couple years ago.

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I would imagine the police use bullets of a caliber able to incapacitate.

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real gunshots are not like on TV, people generally are incapacitated by a single gunshot. If this story were true, Brown was shot twice, and still was able to turn around and put his hands up in the air?

I think whether he was incapacitated or not would depend entirely on where he was shot and the calibre of the bullet. There are actually cases where people have been shot without even initially realizing it. A small calibre bullet which passes through a person without shattering a bone or vital organ would probably not be incapacitating as far as I know.

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Even if he wasn't shot in the back, the sound of the gun or a bullet flying by would have given him reason to stop running and motivated him to turn around to surrender. If the rest of the story is true then the officer did commit a crime. Therefore, both parties are at fault, the suspect for resisting arrest and the officer for excessive use of force.

Apparently it isn't the first time..........

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

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The video’s release sparked widespread criticism, with even Nixon saying he was unaware ahead of time and acknowledging that “it made emotions very raw.”

I stated on Friday that releasing the video at the same time as the cop's name was nothing more than a self-serving act by the local police to try to call into question Brown's character, since they acknowledge the arresting officer was unaware of the robbery. And, as predicted, it just inflamed the community. But it is ridiculous that the Governor, King, did not know what the chief was going to do -- shows what a lousy crisis manager he is.

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Apparently Brown was struggling with the cop through the car's window. A shot was fired, Brown pulled away and started running. The cop exited the vehicle and shot Brown in the back as he ran. At that point, Brown turned around with his hands up in surrender.

I have to wonder about this - real gunshots are not like on TV, people generally are incapacitated by a single gunshot. If this story were true, Brown was shot twice, and still was able to turn around and put his hands up in the air? It seems like more than the average human could do, though it's not impossible as he was a big guy, and likely would have had a lot of adrenaline running through his veins.

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The cops are out of control and have lost it. Serious reviews are needed and why they need military grade weapons and uniforms and why have I seen cops with assault rifles pointing them at people from heavily armored vehicles.

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I just watched a CNN interview with a woman who was there when Brown was killed and saw everything, and I believe her 100%. Apparently Brown was struggling with the cop through the car's window. A shot was fired, Brown pulled away and started running. The cop exited the vehicle and shot Brown in the back as he ran. At that point, Brown turned around with his hands up in surrender. The policeman continued to fire several shots 'till Brown was dead. I didn't want to believe it, but it seems true. So my apologies to those on previous threads same topic.

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I think we are all looking to see whether Michael Brown was shot in the back. It's also troubling that they haven't released the police report of the shooting even though they have now released the officer's name (which was the only reason given for not releasing the report). Whether you think the officer is guilty or not, there is enough probable cause to arrest the officer to take a statement from him. It's hard not to think that the police are waiting for all the eye witnesses to come forward so that they can fabricate a final version of the officers story to counter them all.

No doubt that being a police officer is a stressful and demanding job that most people would not be good at. But if you choose to accept that responsibility and then end up shooting someone without justification, you have to be held to the standard of a well trained and competent police officer (who might have kept his cool in that situation), rather than the average member of the public who would have been terrified and might have fired at the first sign of trouble.

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So wait, the did woman get shot by cops, or by whom?

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