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Fury from victims at 'devil' New Zealand mosque shooter

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In his mind it's a war, and he is just a soldier in it. Not sure he's going to be shamed or give a damn what they say.

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He clearly stated that he was influenced by Trump. SMH

Also, I thought it was decided that his face and name would not be published to avoid giving him notoriety. What changed?

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He doesn't care but he will spend the rest of his natural life behind bars where he deserves to be.

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Also, I thought it was decided that his face and name would not be published to avoid giving him notoriety. What changed?

When was that decided? I know Ardern once stated she'd never say his name, but I'm not sure about the media in general.

I don't know what the point of these victim impact statements are. I get that they may offer closure, and a chance for those affected to confront him, which is important, and I hope it helps them in some way, but do they expect him to suddenly start begging for forgiveness and recant his despicable beliefs? Even if he did, it wouldn't change what happened.

It seems a pretty water tight case against him, and he's already pleaded guilty. Life without parole seems appropriate, although I wonder if his guilty plea will force the judge to mitigate his sentence.

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His face is very scary and ugly.I wonder what he sees when he looks at the mirror.No wonder he suffers from inferiority complex.

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I don't know what the point of these victim impact statements are.

I wondered the same. Then I saw some of the statements on TV, and I was surprised how calm they were. None of the "fury" mentioned in the headline. A common theme was that the event had strengthened their faith. If that sends a message to other potential killers about the effect of their actions, then it will have done some good.

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I think it's a good idea for victims and their families. They are not under any obligation to take part but if someone in my family were killed by such a nutter, I'd want a chance to look at him in the flesh and say what I thought. As difficult as it may be, even if he ignored me or laughed, it'd still be something I'd want to do.

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I don't know what the point of these victim impact statements are.

Closure for the survivors. It is the least they are owed.

An inspiring article I read was from a mother whose son was killed who said, "I no longer hate him. I pity him." Being able to say that to his face is therapy before he is locked away forever.

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Chicanoinjapan

He clearly stated that he was influenced by Trump. SMH

Where did he state that? Do you have a reference for that?

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He clearly stated that he was influenced by Trump. SMH

Where did he state that? Do you have a reference for that?

I heard something like that too, so I was curious and looked it up. Turns out that his exact words were:

"Trump is a symbol of white supremacy".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812653/Christchurch-shooter-supported-Trump-launched-attack-spark-civil-war-U-S-manifesto-says.html

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 None of the "fury" mentioned in the headline.

The fury could come after he addresses the court.

More than 60 people are to give victim impact statements before Tarrant is allowed to address the court.

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jack o helen

"Trump is a symbol of white supremacy".

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6812653/Christchurch-shooter-supported-Trump-launched-attack-spark-civil-war-U-S-manifesto-says.html

Misquote. The quote say symbol of renewed identy and common purpose, not supremacy. And it does not state anywhere he was "influenced by Trump". In fact, he answers the question if he is a Trump supporter with "Dear God No", just like many posters here would.

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It is important to understand the relevance of victim impact statements/panels mean to families that have suffered immeasurable damage

Christchurch shooting: Gunman Tarrant wanted to kill “as many as possible”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-53861456

Hamimah Tuyan lost her husband in the attacks is especially prominent.

Pressing for sentence?

An examination of the New Zealand crown prosecutor’s role in sentencing

Prosecutors are among the most powerful actors in any criminal justice system. Their exercise of discretion, however, has not been subjected to the same level of public and empirical scrutiny as other parts of the criminal justice system.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10609-018-9347-x.pdf

A key to sentencing is a system of charge negotiation…..

New Zealand Law Commission 9. Charge negotiation……

http://www.nzlii.org/nz/other/nzlc/report/R66/R66-9_.html

Will Tarrant need to testify in open court?

 Can Tarrant be forced?

The guilty plea could be interpreted as a means to negate nullify any means of attestation.

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And it does not state anywhere he was "influenced by Trump".

Yeah, because if something isn’t stated directly, it isn’t even implied. There’s that binary worldview popping out.

In fact, he answers the question if he is a Trump supporter with "Dear God No", just like many posters here would.*

Misquote. Here is the full quote:

"Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?" the author of the manifesto wrote. "As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no."

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Zaphod:

> The suspected gunman who killed dozens of people in New Zealand is an Australian ‘racist eco-fascist’ who posted a 74-page manifesto online before the shootings and described Donald Trump as a “symbol of white supremacy”.

https://news.yahoo.com/new-zealand-shootings-racist-gunman-brenton-tarrant-inspired-anders-breivik-wanted-revenge-104941343.html

It clearly says, "symbol of white supremacy".

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New Zealand is a tolerant and forgiving Country. In every respect in all walks of life.

There will be no hanging Tarrant from the nearest lamp post.

Human rights and freedoms…..NZ Human Rights Commission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=kh6Yab0GOTE&feature=emb_logo 

https://www.govt.nz/browse/law-crime-and-justice/human-rights-in-nz/human-rights-and-freedoms/#:~:text=There%20are%20two%20main%20pieces,promote%20and%20protect%20human%20rights.&text=The%20Act%20includes%2C%20among%20other,to%20be%20free%20from%20discrimination.

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It seems a pretty water tight case against him, and he's already pleaded guilty. Life without parole seems appropriate, although I wonder if his guilty plea will force the judge to mitigate his sentence.

minimum sentencing guidelines are life with NO PAROLE. I hope he eats himself hollow with guilt in another 4 decades and dies a sad lonely and remorseful death.

On the positive side this evil act has cemented Muslims and indeed all minority immigrants firmly in New Zealand society proving what a terminal failure militant white supremacy is.

I was hoping POSTUS wouldn't be mentioned in this thread. No chance.

Salaam and Aroha!

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On the positive side this evil act has cemented Muslims and indeed all minority immigrants firmly in New Zealand society proving what a terminal failure militant white supremacy is.

Yes I believe they have

Christchurch attacks are a stark warning of toxic political environment that allows hate to flourish

The Project Waleed contribution.....Genuinely heartfelt. Slaughter by appointment....

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/christchurch-attacks-stark-warning-of-toxic-hate-flourishing/10909394

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Tarrant is a bigot, emboldened by the global climate where bigotry is encouraged even rewarded .

A life in prison, no parole and limiting his interaction with other people is what is required.

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minimum sentencing guidelines are life with NO PAROLE. I hope he eats himself hollow with guilt in another 4 decades and dies a sad lonely and remorseful death.

As do I. I just think his guilty plea could confuse the issue because of another article I read today:

"(Law Society president Tiana Epati) said for the first time ever, a New Zealand court will consider life imprisonment without parole.

"We don't have a precedent for that. You've also got a situation where there were guilty pleas. In the ordinary course of sentencing there would be recognition for pleading guilty.

"If there wasn't recognition in our system for guilty pleas then no one would ever plead guilty. They would put everyone through the further ordeal of a trial so that's a challenge for the judge."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424373/christchurch-gunman-s-sentencing-particularly-challenging-for-judge-law-society

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Was that the reason he chose New Zealand?

If he is gunning for a possibilityofparole or lighter sentence then he will show some remorse and/or probably ask for forgiveness and understanding when he addresses the court/people

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I was thinking that maybe he will take the opportunity to reaffirm his beliefs and drive it hard to the people

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We can all give thanks to Allah that we don't have to walk in this murderer's shoes. He is no devil, just a poor soul who lost his way in life and now must accept his punishment living in the eternal hell of loneliness, isolation and banishment from the community of his fellows until the end of his days, unless he exits with a suicide or is himself murdered in prison. What a tragic waste of so many lives cut short because of one person's psychopathic impulses!

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I don't know what the point of these victim impact statements are. I get that they may offer closure, and a chance for those affected to confront him, which is important, and I hope it helps them in some way, but do they expect him to suddenly start begging for forgiveness and recant his despicable beliefs? Even if he did, it wouldn't change what happened.

I'm very much with you on these so-called impact statements.It kinda feels to me that it's trying to influence the decision makers to side with them and give the harshest penalty possible.

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He clearly stated that he was influenced by Trump. SMH

Yes, that human garbage was influenced by the hate speech from the clown in chief from the White House..

Same as the El Paso Walmart killer.

Hate speech could be powerful on weak, little and hateful minds, like some Trump supporters..

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That's because the Biden campaign quickly disavowed him, calling him "absolutely repugnant."

Your boy Trump welcomes QAnon and defended neo nazis in North Carolina as "good people".

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Yes, well, I’d hate to see the ramblings of an Islamophobic spree killer who described himself as “a regular White man....who decided to take a stand to ensure a future for my people” (a little close to the infamous “14 words”) - and who flashed a white power symbol at his first hearing - be mischaracterized and misquoted.

That’d be a real outrage, wouldn’t it?

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I don't know what the point of these victim impact statements are. 

while I can’t speak for the NZ justice system, in the US, victim impact statements aren’t just for closure. They serve a practical purpose for the prosecution: They show the jury the terrible human cost of the defendant’s actions, bringing the crime out of the realm of abstraction and hopefully hammering home the need to find the defendant guilty and punish them to the fullest extent possible

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I'm very much with you on these so-called impact statements.It kinda feels to me that it's trying to influence the decision makers to side with them and give the harshest penalty possible.

Victim impact statements are meant to influence the decision maker by humanizing the crime. They also provide closure to the victims and allow them to feel more fully like they are part of the justice system. There is nothing wrong with this at all.

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I'm very much with you on these so-called impact statements.It kinda feels to me that it's trying to influence the decision makers to side with them and give the harshest penalty possible.

Something that the judge should take into account. Once you are dead, that's it, an eternal sleep from which you don't awake. The pain is more on the loved ones, who bare the pain for the rest of their lives. There are as much the victims.

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Many people responded to my question about the impact statements. Thank you. I understand them better now, particularly within the framework of restorative justice, which is an important part of NZ's criminal justice system. It usually takes the form of meeting(s) in which both parties participate and is "a community-based response to crime that aims to hold offenders to account for their offending and, as far as possible, repair the harm they’ve done to the victim and the community."

I think in this particular instance - the statements being read in the courtroom - it's more about closure, and allowing the survivors and families a chance to have a say in the sentencing. Again, I hope it helps them in some way, and they get the outcome they are hoping for.

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Brenton Tarrant displays no grounding or concept of the extremities of grief, or losing a loved one or any of the desolation and loneliness one of the worst experiences any family can experience or have to endure.

On our first year at University one political science module was devoted to deontology, utilitarianism, and virtue and applied ethics.

Basically, the moral political ethics that define a nations moral codes/to renounce war and capital punishment.

Brenton Tarrant is a empty shell.

Is it not possible that Brenton Tarrant was not indoctrinated into a state of mind that weaponizes an intense urge to kill?

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