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After weeks in besieged Gaza, some foreign nationals and injured Palestinians allowed to leave

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By NAJIB JOBAIN, JACK JEFFERY and LEE KEATH

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Opposing Hamas but supporting the Arabs and opposing the Israeli actions in Gaza are not antisemitic.

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8,000 women and children were killed. Many remain under the rubble.

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Israel has the right and duty to defend itself, with no mercy towards the enemy. Whatever it takes.

It literally doesn't. War crimes are illegal.

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Remember, Hamas beheaded and burned babies, attacked girls, and tortured the disabled and the elderly.

All of which was debunked by even CNN an ultra pro Israel news service.

1400 civilians were slaughtered by Hamas in one day. Hamas supporters were celebrating and dancing in the streets of Gaza.

Prior to octobre 7th 6,500 Palestinians had been killed by Israel since 2009 the vast majority women and children.

In comparison 350 Israelis in the same time period.

Since October 7th 1,500 Israelis ans of 8000 Palestinian civilians mostly women and children!

Bibi wanted Hamas, he wanted the Palestinian leadership divided and he is now reaping the seeds he sowed.

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Its absolutely abhorrent what is taking place in Gaza right now. Even in the West Bank, over 100 Palestinians have been murdered by extremist settlers there since 10/7. Bibi's days are numbered.

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Israel is doing an excellent job with its precision strikes against terrorist targets.

Please look up what the word “precise” means.

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quercetum

Today 07:31 am JST

Actually far more recently.

All or nearly all the first leaders of Israel including multiple PMs were wanted territorist by the British mandate of Palestine.

Controversy arose when prime Minister of Israel, a former wanted terrorist was to visit the UK.

We were reminded of this when Arafat was to visit the UK and certain politicians complained that he was a terrorist.

We will reminded that Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, etc..were all labeled terrorist and on multiple wanted lists.

Suddenly all was forgiven.

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Israel is doing an excellent job with its precision strikes against terrorist targets.

Precision strikes? Thousands of civilians including women and children died by this 'precision strike'.

Evidence everywhere.

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YipYip ....Israel doesnt have ''the right to do whatever it takes " if in the next instant Israel wants to be seen as a modern country adhering to the rules of law.

The world, the Arab states and the victims in Palestine will NEVER forgive these Israel war crimes.

Down with Israel ...'''you reap what you so....more isolation , more distrust, more disgust

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Oxford Definitions for the word " MINOR "

1- Slight

2- Small

3- Unimportant

4- Insignificant

5- Inconsequential

Is that what the DEAD Children Of Gaza and Israel are?? " Minor " ???

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In contrast to Hamas, which is holding over 250 hostages.

And Israel has this amazing ability to consistently hit UN refugee camps/hospitals and schools!

We can go back to 1996 in Lebanon when the UNRWA Facility was hit, 2009 UNRWA school, 2015, 2016, 2017 2023 etc... UN/UNRWA Facilities are somehow always hit regardless where they are located!

Isn't it amazing! One day Israel announces it killed a major Hamas leader in a precision strike then the next day oooppps a "mistake" a UNRWA school it hit killing 30 children let me repeat that 30 children confirmed by the UN not Hamas along with 11 teachers!

2 days later the hospital!

Then more hospitals.

There is no way the for 40 years and more Israel's constantly "mistake" of hitting well known well marked UN refugee areas, schools and hospitals is anything but a warning to the UN to get out!

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Take a good look at those who have always clamed to support America and/or Israel right now. Right now, the Israeli military, on orders from the Israel government, are dropping literally historic amounts of bombs all over Gaza....which contains FAR more children and other civilians than fighters of any kind.

There are American and Israeli hostages in Gaza. Not soldiers or even just former soldiers, but ordinary people. And those who have claimed to support America and Israel are cheering or excusing bombing the hell out of the entire area?? Clearly, these people do not give a single damn about American or Israeli lives and never did! They don't care.

And when those hostages are found dead without a single bullet wound, but killed by bombs dropped from Israeli planes, likely made in America, what will they say? I am sure it will be some muttering about how it was the fault of Hamas, while muttering some euphemism such as "collateral damage" to hide what is like the murders of people in a drive-by shooting into a random crowd.....from the Israeli thugs of the skies.

Remember these charlatans and consider what it is they actually support from now on, because it is clearly NOT the people of America or Israel.

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Attilathehungry

Today 09:37 am JST

> Finally, it is interesting that no Arab or Muslim countries are willing to help or house the Palestinians. Why is that? Fifty five Muslim countries in the world, more than a billion people, and they are willing to do exactly nothing other than flap their gums.

What you really means is

"it is interesting that no Arab or Muslim countries are willing to help ISRAEL ethnically cleanse the area of Palestinians."

Because basically that is what you are promoting!

You are trying to blame Arab and Muslim countries for not taking Palestinians so Israel can have their land and be free of Arabs Muslim and Christians.

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If you want to hear the voices of decent and rational people on this situation, past and present, tune into Gabor Mate, Lia Tarachansky, Basseem Youssef, Norman Finkelstein, Vijay Prashad, Spanish Minister Ione Belarra, MEP Clare Daly, Yanis Varoufakis, Judith Butler, Miriam Margolyes, and Irish TD Richard Boyd Barrett.

The legacy media and standard politicians are talking weak rubbish on all this. And not the contrast between how little they cared about the huge civilian death toll in Yemen, freaked out about the smaller civilian death toll with shrieks about international law, and have once more reverted to shugs when it comes to the massive civilians death toll in Gaza. Why is that do you suppose?

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Many top Israelis are blaming Netanyahu for the Hamas attacks.

The Egyptian intelligence services warned them before it happened. Netanyahu knew. He let it happen. His popularity was nose-diving, so he took a gamble. It worked for a short time, but now people are starting to smarten up.

Soon the Israelis will be blaming Netanyahu for Israel itself getting pounded from all directions. Houthis have already fired missiles and launched drones at Israel. Hezbollah will likely unleash next, though they have, probably due to bad discipline, lobbed a few rounds at Israel already. The entire Arab population of the Middle East is about to crack and their politicians won't be able to hold them back. If those politicians don't take action against Israel they might be dealing with full rebellions and find their heads in nooses.

And worse, Israel has nukes and it won't go down quietly as it seems to have expected the Palestinians to go down quietly all these years.

Netanyahu could prove to be the literal anti-Christ.

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Hamas official: ‘We will attack Israel again’ | Vargas Reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrAv3Zc7gU

Hamas leader shows why no cease-fire is possible if Israel is to survive

Top Hamas official Ghazi Hamad couldn’t be more clear: If the terror group isn’t completely wiped out, it’ll repeat its horrific Oct. 7 savagery against innocent Israelis “again and again” — until the Jewish state is completely destroyed.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/01/opinion/ghazi-hamad-interview-proves-israel-must-destroy-hamas-2/

Ok, this Hamas leader could have created a war, that will ultimately seal the fate of any future Palestinian state.

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Many top Israelis are blaming Netanyahu for the Hamas attacks.

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yipyipToday  09:53 am JST

though thankfully Israel has approached their mission with great restraint and care when it comes to limiting casualties

Wow you're kidding right??!!!

4000 babies and children slaughtered by you heroes in the IDF is "great restraint"??? Wow just wow!

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yipyip

> Today 09:05 am JST

> Egypt has said it will not accept an influx of Palestinian refugees because of fears Israel will not allow them to return to Gaza after the war.

> > > Translation--Egypt does not want thousands of undocumented terrorists in its country, which might revive the Muslim Brotherhood, which was deemed a terrorist group by Egypt's president in 2013.

No it said it doesn't trust Israel to permit refugees from returning.

From the above article

Egypt has said it will not accept an influx of Palestinian refugees because of fears Israel will not allow them to return to Gaza after the war.

This is a know fact because Israel has never permit refugees from returning,

On the contrary, it used the fact refugees feld to then confiscated their land incorporate it into Israel and refused to let the rightfull owners to return, this includes the illegal annexation of the Golan heights!

> un résolution illegal annexation of the Golan Heights

United Nations Security Council resolution 497, adopted unanimously on 17 December 1981, declared that the Israeli Golan Heights Law, which effectively annexed the Golan Heights, is "null and void and without international legal effect" and further calls on Israel to rescind its action.

And we all know that the instant the Palestinians leave Gaza they will never be permitted to return because Israel has this policy and has never permitted it in the past

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Leaked document fuels concern Israel plans to push Palestinians from Gaza into Egypt

Israel says ‘concept paper’ isn't policy, but Palestinians fear ethnic cleansing

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinias-concept-paper-1.7015576

The leaked document, first reported in Israeli media, was compiled by an Israeli government research agency known as the Intelligence Ministry and was dated Oct. 13 — six days after Hamas led deadly attacks on Israel and the Israeli government declared war against the Palestinian militant group, which controls Gaza.

> Although not a binding policy, it has deepened long-standing Egyptian fears that Israel wants to make Gaza into Egypt's problem and revived Palestinians' memories of the displacement of hundreds of thousands of people who fled or were forced from their homes during the fighting surrounding Israel's creation in 1948, which Palestinians refer to as the Nakba, the Arabic word for catastrophe.

Oops seems even some Israeli don't like the idea of ethnic cleansing and opted to out their own government.

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USNinJapan2

Today 11:42 am JST

I am for Israel and believe that there is no hope for the Palestinian people in Gaza as long as Hamas exists. Israel is taking measured military action as they deem necessary to destroy Hamas once and for all, which is absolutely to be expected in light of Hamas' unprecedented terrorism on 7 October. Israel announced what they would do, and directed civilians to evacuate. There would be exponentially fewer civilian lives lost as collateral damage in Gaza had Egypt opened their border earlier to Palestinians and others trying to evacuate and had Hamas not forced so many from leaving and deliberately used them as human shields

Where did you get this fake information?

Egypt has refused to open because it refuses to help Israel ethnic cleansing!

It is that simple!

Netanyahu wanted Hamas in power, he promoted it and this is not me saying it but highly pro Israelis including the ultra pro Israel CBC.

He wanted Hamas as a way of splitting the Palestinian leadership.

Well his little plan came back to bite him in the .....

Israel has defied every UN resolution requiring the return of refugees and the return of their land and compensation.

Do you think if Egypt opened its borders Israel would ever let these people back in, never!

And the proof is in the leaked report by Israeli media not Palestinian media, not Al Jazeera but israeli media which is basically a blueprint of how to cleanse all Palestinians out of Gaza into Egypt and take the land.

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@USNinJapan2

There would be exponentially fewer civilian lives lost as collateral damage in Gaza had Egypt opened their border earlier to Palestinians and others trying to evacuate 

I think you don't understand the word "exponentially." There would be exponentially fewer civilian lives lost if Israel didn't bomb civilian targets.

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It is interesting!

When East Germany fell, thousands of Jews and a large number from Israel returned to the now unified Germany to reclaim the land/property illegally taken from their families before and during WW2.

But when the UN and the world tells Israel it must permit the same thing for to Palestinian refugees in camps in places like Lebanon, Israel's reaction is " No" they left we confiscated the land because we consider it as abandoned ".

So the idea that any country should take in Palestinians and help Israel take Their land is a non starter because we know for a fact and VA past Israeli action that any country taking Palestinian refugees will be taking them permanently.

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War criminals in the IDF murdering civilians but until our govts stop claiming it is self defence instead of genocide not much will change. BDS Israel! Free Palestine!

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https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott

The only way to stop the Israeli genocide is to BDS!

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Attilathehungry

Today 12:28 pm JST

There is no ethnic cleansing whatsoever. If there were, it would have happened by now. Ditto the whole nonsense claim of "genocide

Only one problem, multiple UN resolutions point to a different conclusion as does this leaked report by Israeli media

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinias-concept-paper-1.7015576

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People are going to call you out sooner or later as terrorists if you keep bombing civilians for collective punishment. The American revolutionists were also called terrorists by the British. And some see Hamas as freedom fighters. Perspective.

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More than 8,800 Palestinians have been killed in the war, mostly women and minors

now talk about news or word manipulation!

"Minors" why use that Word?

In the other conflict and in the October 7th attacks AP and others used CHILDREN!

But I guess it makes less impact when one uses minors instead of saying children have been killed!

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Hamas can't be be defeated as it is an IDEOLOGY like many other, Israel may win militarily but no matter what Israel does it will not be able to defeat the Ideology that Hamas represents which is the Armed Resistance to the Israeli OCUPATION unless there is an ALTERNATIVE for the Palestinian People.

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stormcrow

Today 11:35 am JST

Show the world that butchering families in cold blood is just another side of you.

You mean the heroes in the IDF right?!

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Raincloud;

There would be exponentially fewer civilian lives lost if the Hamas cowards didn't hide behind women and children, and didn't build their terror infrastructure under hospitals and schools.

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“Genocide”: Top U.N. Official Craig Mokhiber Resigns, Denounces Israeli Assault on Gaza - YouTube

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There is no ethnic cleansing whatsoever. If there were, it would have happened by now. Ditto the whole nonsense claim of "genocide".

Hamas need to be eliminated. The infrastructure that supports Hamas needs to be destroyed. There is no disputing that. Maybe the "idea" of Hamas will survive but the same can be said for any twisted ideology. Naziism survived WW2, but is a spent force. Same for Hamas.

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Egypt is where the Muslim Brotherhood,the government of Egypt is a Terrorists regime Google Egypt Government Human Right Violation

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16 Israeli were killed ,how many more of them are wanting to be sacrifical for Bibi bloodlust in Gaza

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Sending lots of Israelis to their death,than were killed by Hamas,is not gonna make you feel any better,their will be upward of 2000 dead Israelis soldiers dead after their latest occupation,in America more soldiers died in Afghanistan and Iraq,than were killed on 9/11

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First, take any casualty numbers provided by Hamas (aka Palestinian Health Authority) with a LARGE grain of salt. These are the people who said 500 people died when a hospital was bombed by Israel. In actuality, the parking lot of the hospital was hit by a terrorist rocket and from 10-50 people died. So this tells you how much to believe them.

Second, if someone has a way to destroy Hamas and the terrorist infrastructure that has been built in and underneath Gaza, please let us know. Because the very sharp military minds of the IDF think their way is the best. There is no so-called collective punishment. If there were, Israel would not have BEGGED civilians to leave the area for days before starting to operate against Hamas.

Finally, it is interesting that no Arab or Muslim countries are willing to help or house the Palestinians. Why is that? Fifty five Muslim countries in the world, more than a billion people, and they are willing to do exactly nothing other than flap their gums.

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Come on, Hamas!

Time to free all of those Israeli hostages you kidnapped. At least free the kids and babies! Of course they’re mad as hell. Wouldn’t you be too if the roles were reversed?

Show the world that butchering families in cold blood is just another side of you.

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I am for Israel and believe that there is no hope for the Palestinian people in Gaza as long as Hamas exists. Israel is taking measured military action as they deem necessary to destroy Hamas once and for all, which is absolutely to be expected in light of Hamas' unprecedented terrorism on 7 October. Israel announced what they would do, and directed civilians to evacuate. There would be exponentially fewer civilian lives lost as collateral damage in Gaza had Egypt opened their border earlier to Palestinians and others trying to evacuate and had Hamas not forced so many from leaving and deliberately used them as human shields.

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I am for Israel and believe that there is no hope for the Palestinian people in Gaza as long as Hamas exists. Israel is taking measured military action as they deem necessary to destroy Hamas once and for all, which is absolutely to be expected in light of Hamas' unprecedented terrorism on 7 October.

It is incredible anyone would disagree with this.

And Israel has this amazing ability to consistently hit UN refugee camps/hospitals and schools!

If it is a legitimate military target Israel has the right under international law to strike those. Whatever it takes, until complete elimination.

Of course, this wouldn't be happening if the Palestinian Arab elected government Hamas didn't massacre 1400 civilians in Israel.

Then more hospitals.

Like the hospital in Gaza Islamic Jihad hit with a missile? How many people died? 500 was the number being trumpeted around. Still hold to that figure dearly?

So are you outraged the Palestinian Arabs senselessly killed these people too?

500 women and children killed because the Arabs were trying to shoot a missile into a civilian population in Israel.

In contrast to Israel, which warns civilians to evacuate military targets, which has resulted in minimal loss.

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Remember, Hamas beheaded and burned babies, attacked girls, and tortured the disabled and the elderly.

All of which was debunked by even CNN an ultra pro Israel news service.

Exactly. But they keep peddling this BS.

1400 civilians were slaughtered by Hamas in one day. Hamas supporters were celebrating and dancing in the streets of Gaza.

Prior to octobre 7th 6,500 Palestinians had been killed by Israel since 2009 the vast majority women and children.

In comparison 350 Israelis in the same time period.

Since October 7th 1,500 Israelis ans of 8000 Palestinian civilians mostly women and children!

Bibi wanted Hamas, he wanted the Palestinian leadership divided and he is now reaping the seeds he sowed.

Exactly.

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Antiquesaving- Well said! Excellent post!

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This is a know fact because Israel has never permit refugees from returning,

On the contrary, it used the fact refugees feld to then confiscated their land incorporate it into Israel and refused to let the rightfull owners to return, this includes the illegal annexation of the Golan heights!

It's a fact the president of Egypt said "a mass exodus would risk bringing militants into Egypt's Sinai Peninsula."

It's also a fact that Egypt has backed Israel's blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over. I wonder why?

And we all know that the instant the Palestinians leave Gaza they will never be permitted to return because Israel has this policy and has never permitted it in the past

Why wouldn't Egypt allow the Arabs back into Gaza, from the Egyptian border? It's Egypt's border.

Israel has allowed more than 260 trucks carrying food and medicine to enter from Egypt over the past 10 days, but aid workers say it’s not nearly enough.

Israel acting humanely and within the confines of international law.

In contrast to Hamas, which is holding over 250 hostages.

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People are going to call you out sooner or later as terrorists if you keep bombing civilians for collective punishment. The American revolutionists were also called terrorists by the British. And some see Hamas as freedom fighters. Perspective.

I usually don't agree with you, but here we are completely on the same page.

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Over 1,400 people have died on the Israeli side, mainly civilians killed during Hamas’ initial attack

This is unacceptable. Does anyone want to try and justify this massacre? That terrorist attack is the reason why we are where we are today.

Palestinian militants also abducted around 240 people during their incursion and have continued firing rockets into Israel.

A civilized country is going to defend itself from these types of terrorist attacks, which surpass the definition of war crimes. Hamas and its supporters is a serial murdering group and must be eliminated.

And when those hostages are found dead without a single bullet wound, but killed by bombs dropped from Israeli planes, likely made in America, what will they say? I am sure it will be some muttering about how it was the fault of Hamas, 

Of course it would be Hamas' fault. Those hostages shouldn't even be in Gaza.

Hamas took them there. Hamas bears the responsibility for whatever happens to them. Just as Hamas bears responsibility for any civilians who are harmed in Gaza, though thankfully Israel has approached their mission with great restraint and care when it comes to limiting casualties.

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Egypt has said it will not accept an influx of Palestinian refugees because of fears Israel will not allow them to return to Gaza after the war.

Translation--Egypt does not want thousands of undocumented terrorists in its country, which might revive the Muslim Brotherhood, which was deemed a terrorist group by Egypt's president in 2013.

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We were reminded of this when Arafat was to visit the UK and certain politicians complained that he was a terrorist.

*Arafat was a terrorist--according to the nation of Jordan.*

Jordan, an Arab nation, expelled the PLO led by Arafat, from Jordan. The Jordanian army had to attack the PLO in their refugee camps. Jordan got tired of the PLO reneging on agreements with Jordan, and for committing terrorist attacks within the country.

So, it's not surprising that the Arafat-led PLO, which had been committing terorrist attacks within Jordan was considered a terrorist organization by certain politicians in the UK.

They were right.

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Israel is doing an excellent job with its precision strikes against terrorist targets.

Hamas is responsible for any civilian casualties, which have been kept at a minimal amount.

Remember, Hamas beheaded and burned babies, attacked girls, and tortured the disabled and the elderly.

1400 civilians were slaughtered by Hamas in one day. Hamas supporters were celebrating and dancing in the streets of Gaza.

Israel has the right and duty to defend itself, with no mercy towards the enemy. Whatever it takes.

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