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Gaza Health Ministry says over 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Israel-Hamas war

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Occupiers just go to new level of low every day, now it's uncovered the abuse of their force to Palestinian women and girls.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24128988.un-experts-alarmed-credible-claims-abuse-palestinian-women/

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian

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For many people people that difficult to understand why occupiers did this, occupiers believe that those victims are animal

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/israel-defence-minister-human-animals-gaza-palestine_uk_65245ebae4b0a32c15bfe6b6

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Now after not being heard from time to time.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/defying-biden-israels-netanyahu-doubles-down-on-plans-to-fight-in-rafah-7b66d1dd

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US that usually veto any UN cease fire resolution, by now is on the side which propose cease fire. They had enough with occupier.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/19/us-proposes-un-resolution-calling-for-temporary-ceasefire-in-gaza

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Of that alleged 29,000, about 10,000 Hamas terrorists killed. Also, 20% of Islamic terrorists rockets shot at Israel misfire and explode in Israel, such as the one that killed 600 people in a hospital. Additionally, 90% of the homes searched in Gaza turn out to be storing munitions and arms for Hamas.

No wonder why: The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its count

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Heartbreaking.

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Of that alleged 29,000, about 10,000 Hamas terrorists killed. 

So the other 19,000 innocent have zero value to you?

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So the other 19,000 innocent have zero value to you?

It’s sad but Hamas shouldn’t be operating in areas with large civilian populations. Their deaths are entirely the responsibility of Hamas

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@JboneInTheZone

No, occupiers now their target already, they do it on purpose.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/19/middleeast/gaza-nasser-hospital-doctors-strip-idf-intl/index.html

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They also set on fire, food supply for refugee.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/13/israel-defense-forces-soldiers-gaza-viral-videos-food-fire/

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So the other 19,000 innocent have zero value to you?

What 19,000 innocent? You didn't read my post?

The Palestinian Health Ministry considers all those killed to be in the same category with Hamas.

There's a reason for that.

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Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas

And the entire world knows it.

Oh, and the vast majority of those killed are not "Palestinians".

They are Hamas fighters who do not wear uniforms - and therefore are labelled "civilians" when killed or wounded.

Funny how that works, no?

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The United States, Israel’s top ally, says it is still working with mediators Egypt and Qatar to try to broker another cease-fire

Could the US istopping its supply of weapons to israel make the ceasefire happen?

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Oh, and the vast majority of those killed are not "Palestinians".

> They are Hamas fighters who do not wear uniforms - and therefore are labelled "civilians" when killed or wounded.

Weren't the vast majority women and children ?

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Additionally, 90% of the homes searched in Gaza turn out to be storing munitions and arms for Hamas.

Where did you get this statistic?

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Yes, the majority of deaths were women and children.

Hamas recruits militants in a non discriminatory way.... neither age nor gender is a barrier to joining.

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GuruMick

Today 08:02 am JST

Yes, the majority of deaths were women and children.

> Hamas recruits militants in a non discriminatory way.... neither age nor gender is a barrier to joining.

So you consider all of them hamas?

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Could the US istopping its supply of weapons to israel make the ceasefire happen?

Probably not. U.S. aid only accounts for like 10-15% of Israel’s military budget

Weren't the vast majority women and children ?

Women and minors, not children

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Could the US istopping its supply of weapons to israel make the ceasefire happen?

Biden doesn't want a ceasefire and neither does Blinken. They are quite happy to watch the Genocide go on.

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JboneInTheZone

Today 08:17 am JST

Could the US istopping its supply of weapons to israel make the ceasefire happen?

> Probably not. U.S. aid only accounts for like 10-15% of Israel’s military budget

So even if the US stopped supplying weapons to israel it won't make a difference with regards to the ceasefire.

Not convincing in the least of course but why not stop the supply of weapons just the same to make the effort to help a ceasefire happen appear more sincere?

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I wonder if there is a level of death and destruction in Gaza that the Israel supporters, within and without, would ever find abhorrent or inexcusable? If none, well, it is becoming clearer where the bottom is.

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I wonder if there is a level of death and destruction in Gaza that the Israel supporters, within and without, would ever find abhorrent or inexcusable?

Doubt it.

If none, well, it is becoming clearer where the bottom is.

It was clear all along Moon

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Additionally, 90% of the homes searched in Gaza turn out to be storing munitions and arms for Hamas. Zibala

I don't think Israel itself has even made such a ridiculous claim. Do you have a source for this statistic? As it seems to form the basis of your belief that all civilians within Gaza are legitimate military targets.

Shamefully, not mentioned in the article is that Israel is being hauled in front of the ICJ again over its illegal occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza.

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It’s sad but Hamas shouldn’t be operating in areas with large civilian populations. Their deaths are entirely the responsibility of Hamas

Has Israel actually provided any evidence for these claims?

Ive seen ridiculous comments lately like 'Hamas have been using their own family members as human shields'... But like any armed force, isnt that just called going home to your family? Were the IDF reservists who lived in the Kibbutz that were attacked on Octber 7th 'using their families as human shields?' Applying the same logic, the answer is yes.

These are two interesting videos on the actually combat taking place in Gaza. Take it however you like.

IDF perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFmy40pJk7o&list=WL&index=80

Hamas perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4puS6v1eZ5w&list=WL&index=81

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Of that alleged 29,000, about 10,000 Hamas terrorists killed. Also, 20% of Islamic terrorists rockets shot at Israel misfire and explode in Israel, such as the one that killed 600 people in a hospital. Additionally, 90% of the homes searched in Gaza turn out to be storing munitions and arms for Hamas.

No wonder why: The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its count

You know it's tough out there for the IDF defenders when they have to resort to citing figures that the source itself hasn't bothered confirming all in order to justify the elephant in the room, as if there's any way of ever justifying it in the first place:

With thousands of Palestinians detained by Israel since the war began, an Israeli human rights group reported that Palestinians inside Israeli prisons face daily violence from guards, who enter cells and beat inmates with batons, kicks and fists without provocation in abuse it said could amount to torture. Physicians for Human Rights—Israel said in a report Monday that detainees reported guards urinating on them and forcing them to kiss the Israeli flag and to strip. Prisoners are also held in overcrowded cells and deprived of water for long periods, it said.

The U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights expressed concern about hundreds of Palestinian women and girls in Israeli detention. It said there were credible reports that at least two were raped, and others “subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault,” including being stripped naked and searched by male officers and being photographed “in degrading circumstances.”

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Not convincing in the least of course but why not stop the supply of weapons just the same to make the effort to help a ceasefire happen appear more sincere?

Probably because Hamas hasn’t shown any good will in this entire conflict and the U.S. is hesitant to turn its back on its ally to align with a terrorist organization

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Has Israel actually provided any evidence for these claims?

Even Amnesty International has confirmed Hamas operates out of civilian structures.

Ive seen ridiculous comments lately like 'Hamas have been using their own family members as human shields'... But like any armed force, isnt that just called going home to your family?

They aren’t just ‘going home to their families’. It’s been documented that Hamas has launched rockets near civilian buildings like schools and hospitals.

Were the IDF reservists who lived in the Kibbutz that were attacked on Octber 7th 'using their families as human shields?' Applying the same logic, the answer is yes.

Was the IDF operating out of those Kibbutz’s and using them to launch attacks into Gaza? If no, there’s a huge difference

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Netanyahu is trying to drive the Arabs out of Gaza. That is genocide.

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The war began when Hamas-led militants stormed into southern Israel from Gaza on Oct 7

No it didn't! It started in 1948 when Israeli terrorists drove Palestinians from their home at gun point & murdered a lot of them. The refugee camps are call such because the Palestinians are refugees in their own country!

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Even Amnesty International has confirmed Hamas operates out of civilian structures.

All of them? Every hospital, every mosque and church, every university and school, every shop and house? Has Israel provided any evidence to justify the attacks they have carried out on October 7th? Have the attacks been proportional to the strategic military threat posed by said targets? The answer is no.

And to even suggest that the IDf has a capacity for such intelligence would make a complete mockery of the hostage rescue effort. If the IDF can identify 200,000 buildings as significant military targets (which they obviously cannot), surely they can find where the hostages are being kept...

Hamas has launched rockets near civilian buildings like schools and hospitals.

Im sorry, but that just isnt enough justification to flatten over 50% of civilian infrastructure and murder over 1% of the Gazan population.

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since October 7th, not **on ***

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No it didn't! It started in 1948 when Israeli terrorists drove Palestinians from their home at gun point & murdered a lot of them. The refugee camps are call such because the Palestinians are refugees in their own country!

Im actually really curious when people make statements like this. Do you believe that all Israelis should be kicked out and the entirety of the land be given back to the Palestinians? What is a just solution?

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Netanyahu is trying to drive the Arabs out of Gaza. That is genocide.

Its ethnic cleansing. It remains to be seen whether it is genocide. Strong chance it is though.

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Was the IDF operating out of those Kibbutz’s and using them to launch attacks into Gaza? If no, there’s a huge difference

Was every one of the 200,000 buildings destroyed in Gaza used to carry out attacks? Thats around 5 times more targets than there are Hamas militants.

Your argument is complete nonsense.

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All of them? Every hospital, every mosque and church, every university and school, every shop and house? Has Israel provided any evidence to justify the attacks they have carried out on October 7th? Have the attacks been proportional to the strategic military threat posed by said targets? The answer is no.

What would be a proportional response then? What is the civilian / fighter death ratio that would make Israel’s response proportional in your eyes?

And to even suggest that the IDf has a capacity for such intelligence would make a complete mockery of the hostage rescue effort. If the IDF can identify 200,000 buildings as significant military targets (which they obviously cannot), surely they can find where the hostages are being kept...

What makes you believe they can’t identify significant military targets? There are plenty of indicators that show a location is being for military purposes. It’s extremely difficult to use those same processes to determine where hostages are being held.

Im sorry, but that just isnt enough justification to flatten over 50% of civilian infrastructure and murder over 1% of the Gazan population.

It actually is 100% enough justification if the 50% of civilian infrastructure is being used for military purposes and the 1% are being used as human shields. International law is pretty clear on this

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Was every one of the 200,000 buildings destroyed in Gaza used to carry out attacks? Thats around 5 times more targets than there are Hamas militants.

You’re either lying or misinformed. 200,000 buildings in Gaza haven’t been destroyed.

”Now, satellite data analysis obtained by the BBC shows the true extent of the destruction. The analysis suggests between 144,000 and 175,000buildings across the whole Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed.”

Keep in mind that something as simple as a broken window qualifies a building as being damaged in the common statistic people like to quote

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between 144,000 and 175,000buildings across the whole Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed

That was in January. What difference does it make to my point? None. The number of buildings destroyed outnumbers Hamas militants by 5 to 1.

What could each of these buildings possible contain? Its not like they have squadrons of jet fighters or tanks hidden in them. In the absolute worst case each all of these targets contained a few AKs, Maybe a small percentage contained RPGs, but finding out such information would be next to impossible to confirm on the part of the IDF. And even if they did confirm it, from the perspective of proportionality, how would containing some small arms make a building a target for a missile strike? It makes no sense. 0 sense at all.

Please enlighten me as to what threat these targets contained?

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Im actually really curious when people make statements like this. Do you believe that all Israelis should be kicked out and the entirety of the land be given back to the Palestinians? What is a just solution?

This is a very valid question and should require an answer. I'm going to give you my personal opinion on this. You probably won't agree with it, but since you asked a sincere question, I'm going to give you a sincere answer.

One state with the right of return for all Palestinians. For those that can provide proof that their homes were taken away should have their homes and land returned to them. For the Jews that have to relocate because of that, THEY TOO MUST be compensated with a different piece of land as big as or bigger than the one they have to forfeit. For the rest, they can remain where they are. The settlements can remain as long as they were not build on land stolen from the Palestinians. One country for all Jews, Christians, and Muslims with all enjoying equal rights. That is my opinion.

Again, many here may not agree but that is my 2 cents. You asked an earnest question. I figured you deserved an honest answer- regardless of what you think of it.

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The war began when Hamas-led militants stormed into southern Israel from Gaza on Oct 7, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and taking around 250 men, women and children hostage. 

So when a terrorist group and its supporters burn and behead babies, rape the elderly and disabled, any country has the right and duty to defend itself no matter the costs to ensure that country's security. No one has an argument with that, right?

And Israel has been international law compliant and has been administering humanitarian aid in Gaza, all the while Israel remains under attack by daily rocket and missile launches out of Gaza.

This is a war Hamas and its supporters wanted.

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The war began when Hamas-led militants stormed into southern Israel from Gaza on Oct 7, killing some 1,200 people, mostly civilians,...

Why do we have to keep having this Israeli narrative, well past its sell-by date, shoved down our throats for 4 months 24/7? The FACTS that have emerged since 10/7 show conclusively that Hamas carried out a successful military operation against the IDF which eventually gained the upper hand by means of its overwhelming firepower but in the process killing many Israeli citizens whose deaths were then all blamed on Hamas. The Zionist government uses its mendacious Hamasplaining to parrot ad nauseam beheaded babies, raped women, mistreated hostages, human shields, tunnels, firing rockets from hospitals, etc. while on the diplomatic front it weaponizes "anti-semitism" in its pathetic PR job trying in vain to convince people that the sadistic slaughter and maiming of 50,,000 civilians and starvation of 2 million Palestinians and the total destruction of their society witnessed in real time by all the world has been is 100% kosher in international law and are the humane actions of "the most moral army in the world". Like the boy who cried wolf, nobody now believes Netanyahu, not even those governments complicit in this plausible genocide who continue to supply the bombs and weapons. The Israelis got away with killing on this scale before when they invaded Lebanon in 1982 killing and wounding 50,000 civilians because then the slaughter was not captured on film. This time thanks to technology the world can never forget the horror and inhumanity of what it has witnessed and Israel's atrocities in Gaza and the occupied West Bank will be a stain on its reputation for generations to come.

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That was in January. What difference does it make to my point? None. The number of buildings destroyed outnumbers Hamas militants by 5 to 1.

You do realize not all military targets have enemy combatants, correct? Targets like ammo caches are completely viable military targets that might not have any combatants present when destroyed

What could each of these buildings possible contain? Its not like they have squadrons of jet fighters or tanks hidden in them. 

Hamas regularly launches rockets into Israel. Do you not agree?

but finding out such information would be next to impossible to confirm on the part of the IDF. 

What makes you think this? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world

In the absolute worst case each all of these targets contained a few AKs, Maybe a small percentage contained RPGs,

The vast majority of the killing done on October 7th was done with AKs, RPGs and other small arms so to argue they aren’t effective is just blatantly wrong.

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This time thanks to technology the world can never forget the horror and inhumanity of what it has witnessed and Israel's atrocities in Gaza and the occupied West Bank will be a stain on its reputation for generations to come.

Thanks to technology, the Go-Pros Hamas used to videotape their massacre of over 1500 Israeli civilians, the anti-Israel slanting media could not ignore the multiple war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the Islamic terrorists and their supporters.

The technology also proved it was the Islamic Jihad's misfired rocket, and not the IDF, that hit a hospital in Gaza and killed 500 people.

Thanks to technology, this is a war with the least number of casualties in relation to the amount of firepower deployed.

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If Netanyahu wants the hostages he could have gotten them freed during the last negotiation in Egypt.

This war criminal and his aids are keen on killing as many Palestinians as possible then push the rest into Egypt and Re Occupying Gaza.

This is not a war, never was, it’s an ethnic cleansing operation supported by the so called Free World simply because the Palestinian are resisting their Occupation

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If Netanyahu wants the hostages he could have gotten them freed during the last negotiation in Egypt

So I kidnap your child after assaulting and killing your wife, bring you to the negotiating table, demand no punishment, but instead concessions from you or else I kill your child.

That's not how life works, chief.

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What makes you think this? Mossad is one of the best intelligence agencies in the world

World class. Remember that time they deliberately let those Hamas militants into Israel ?

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World class. Remember that time they deliberately let those Hamas militants into Israel ?

No, because that never happened

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World class. Remember that time they deliberately let those Hamas militants into Israel ?

Around the time the citizens of Gaza invited Israel to free them from Hamas.

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Weren't the vast majority women and children ?

Women and minors, not children

So a bit of semantics makes killing 20 000 of them OK then?

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So a bit of semantics makes killing 20 000 of them OK then?

The semantics that the Palestinian Health Ministry doesn't distinguish among Hamas and civilians, so even that organization lumps them all together and treats them as militants.

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So a bit of semantics makes killing 20 000 of them OK then?

Theres a huge difference between armed 16 / 17 year olds and a 5 year old

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When the war is over Netanyahu is going to prison.

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When the war is over Netanyahu is going to prison.

When the war is over Bibi will not be going to prison. That's your own projection of your hatred.

He will go down as one of the greatest Israeli leaders in history.

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Theres a huge difference between armed 16 / 17 year olds and a 5 year old

Of course there is. And in the heat of battle you could forgive a soldier for killing an armed youth who poses a threat to their own life. Bit different when you blow them up with a missile from your safe bunker.

Besides, when you hear the testimony from doctors who have been travelling and volunteering in Gaza, they always talk about the horror of treating children. Specifically young children, not teenage boys.

But of course those volunteers are working for Hamas, amiright? We are all Hamas, amiright?

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> So a bit of semantics makes killing 20 000 of them OK then?

Theres a huge difference between armed 16 / 17 year olds and a 5 year old

Cool, how many of the tens of thousands killed Gaza women and children were armed then..got any reliable numbers?

Was every one of the 200,000 buildings destroyed in Gaza used to carry out attacks? Thats around 5 times more targets than there are Hamas militants.

You’re either lying or misinformed. 

Most on here likely think the same about your team's posts.

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Of course there is. And in the heat of battle you could forgive a soldier for killing an armed youth who poses a threat to their own life. Bit different when you blow them up with a missile from your safe bunker.

It’s no different at all. An armed youth is a military target who poses a risk to Israeli soldiers. Israel has no obligation to risk its own soldiers when they can neutralize a threat with a missile. You won’t find a single international body that agrees with you

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Cool, how many of the tens of thousands killed Gaza women and children were armed then..got any reliable numbers?

Any reliable sources showing the ages of the "civilians" killed in Gaza by the IDF (not including those killed by Hamas/Islamic Jihad missiles, or Hamas gunfire)? Not that it makes a difference to me. Collateral damage is a part of any war in the world.

Look at Yemen for example. 50,000 children killed. Lots of violence in the Arab world. Syria woith about 600,000 civilian deaths. We can see by comparison how careful the IDF is.

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