In rare move, Georgia arrests father of teen suspected of killing four at school

So the cops come to your house about your kid threatening to shoot up a school.

It’s not proven but it’s credible (and you know your own kid)…..

So naturally you go buy him an AR 3 months later as a Christmas present (as reported by CNN) because nothing says “Birth of Christ” like an AR in the hands of a disturbed teenage boy.

That’s som GRADE F parenting, right there….

Long sentences for both of them.

In that 2023 probe, the father said he had hunting guns in the house but that his son did not have unsupervised access to them, and the son denied making the threats online, the FBI said.

Like a lot of American children I knew where the guns were in the closet and there were no impregnable barriers to them.

Jackson County sheriff's investigators closed the case after being unable to substantiate that either Gray was connected to the Discord account where the threats were made, and did not find grounds to seek the needed court order to confiscate the family's guns, according to police reports released by the sheriff's office on Thursday.

The bar for gun confiscation, even with all the warning signs, is impossibly high for most in the US.

By design.

https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/04/13/kemp-signs-bill-allowing-permitless-carry-of-concealed-handgun-in-public

Kemp and his GOP/NRA backers should be arrested for involuntary manslaughter.

children having children.

Again! poor victims. Americans say he is innocent until he is convicted. So better bail him out.

If the father is found guilty, then give him 15 or 20 years in prison.

Set an example.

the first U.S. campus mass shooting since the start of the school year.

If you move the starting (reference) point it doesn't look so bad.

Or does it?

RE Stormcrow "Set an example."

That example has been set.

Both parents sentenced to 10 years in a case in April this year.

Didn't seem to make a difference!

https://apnews.com/article/james-crumbley-jennifer-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-e5888f615c76c3b26153c34dc36d5436

AR semiautomatic rifle is necessary for ordinary people? That is a weapon for war. If so many people have such rifles, it seems to me war is going on in America.

I commented on this yesterday, saying that if they have chosen to charge the suspect as an adult then they shouldn't be able to charge the parents too, on the basis that adults are accountable for their own actions.

I have since reconsidered, along the lines of @John's comment above. Depending on what is uncovered in court of course, it definitely seems enabling and negligent to give your kid their own semi-automatic rifle (or any firearm really) after they have been investigated by officials for threatening a shooting!

It would be the same as if you knowingly provided an ex-felon with a weapon, or left your own firearm unsecured where your, for example, dead-beat, ex-felon brother-in-law who is staying with you (I made that up, my brother-in-law is awesome) could get hold of it. You may not have committed any crime with the weapon yourself, but you are certainly responsible for allowing it to happen.

So, yeah. Charge the dad, and if he's found guilty, lock him up.

Absolutely terrible tragedy, just heartbreaking. I pray that they get through this most difficult time.

How do the children, their parents, their teachers and the school ever recover from these tragic lethal killings?

How is an absolute tragedy on one hand when on the other hand you champion unfettered access to even high powered weapons.

Just a tad contradictory.

Give the kid at least 60 years, and the father 20 years mandatory.

Make sure neither can ever reproduce again as well.

This is actually a good thing.

American parents should teach their children responsible gun ownership from a young age. It should come as naturally to them as swimming or riding bicycles.

The next step should be for schools to take measures to prevent bullying by allowing responsible kids to carry firearms. It will solve the serious problem of bullying as well as prevent school shootings.

shogun36Today 12:53 pm JST

Give the kid at least 60 years, and the father 20 years mandatory.

The opposite. The father should have known better.

HawkToday 12:16 pm JST

I commented on this yesterday, saying that if they have chosen to charge the suspect as an adult then they shouldn't be able to charge the parents too, on the basis that adults are accountable for their own actions.

The only reason the child should be charged as an adult is because it so heinous. I could see parole at 40 years due to his age.

American culture are : Arrogance, Greed , Lusts and Violences. Especially gun violence, these senseless killings in that country is very frequent.

TaiwanIsNotChina,

The only reason the child should be charged as an adult is because it so heinous. I could see parole at 40 years due to his age.

Yes, you're right, but one of the reasons minors are charged as adults is that they should be more able to understand the consequences and severity of serious crimes, and therefore are more accountable for them. That said, the reasoning in my original comment about also charging the father still holds.

However, the juvenile system probably doesn't allow for harsh enough sentencing for crimes like the ones committed in this case.

agreed

They have themselves a legal dilemma. They are going to trial the 14 year old as an adult. If they are admitting the killer is of adult age. Therefore able to conduce themself as an adult. So how will they prove the adult father is responsible for an other adult. It will be better to trial the 14 old as a child and get the help this child disparately needs.

This is a step in the right direction. Buying your kid a gun for Christmas is something I can't fathom. A lot of these types of people go to church every Sunday, supposedly cherish the tenets in the Christian Bible, are staunchly against abortion but see no problem with giving a kid an assault rifle and teaching them how to be deadly with it. Some twisted logic(?) there. If these two are convicted, I hope they are not able to get out for a very lengthy period of time, if ever.

elephant200Today 01:04 pm JST

American culture are : Arrogance, Greed , Lusts and Violences. Especially gun violence, these senseless killings in that country is very frequent.

Just because Chinese aren't free to practice Lusts and Violences, doesn't mean they don't have them along with their Arrogance and Greed.

American parents should teach their children responsible gun ownership from a young age. It should come as naturally to them as swimming or riding bicycles.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. That's a pipe dream.

The next step should be for schools to take measures to prevent bullying by allowing responsible kids to carry firearms. It will solve the serious problem of bullying as well as prevent school shootings.

How?

When you buy your kid an assault rifle for Christmas, do you wrap it to make it look nice under the tree.

For most of the world is incomprehensible.

The next step should be for schools to take measures to prevent bullying by allowing responsible kids to carry firearms.

Thinking back to my schooldays and trying to remember who might have been classified as a responsible kid. No-one comes to mind.

EvilBuddhaToday 12:58 pm JST

American parents should teach their children responsible gun ownership from a young age. It should come as naturally to them as swimming or riding bicycles.

No. We don't need kids playing cops and robbers with lethal weapons.

I pray that they get through this most difficult time.

Hear hear.. a good ol' bit of praying will make everything right. Meanwhile more guns for children and lunatics! Yee-haw!!

How do the children, their parents, their teachers and the school ever recover from these tragic lethal killings?

They don’t. Ever.

The next step should be for schools to take measures to prevent bullying by allowing responsible kids to carry firearms.

This is either a bad joke or one of the stupidest ideas I’ve heard yet on JT. And that’s saying something.

Prosecute him to the full extent of the law. Also any other legal guardians who were aware he had a rifle after threatening a school shooting.

It's quite instructive to hear VP nominee and couch creep JD Vance pontificate on these school shootings;

They're just a "fact of life" - like eating and breathing air....

https://www.axios.com/2024/09/06/georgia-shooting-harris-jd-vance-trump-gun-policy

One wonders if he'd be so nonchalant if his kids were lying dead in the hallways...

And he doubles down on the old far-right argument - "the way to cure gun violence is with more guns"....

Makes, sense right? Just like the way to cure cancer is to hand our more cigarettes....

Of course that "more guns" argument goes out the window when it comes to Trump's rallies - those are "no gun zones"....

Not sure why - just think if all the MAGA-fans at Trump's rally where he was shot had their AR15s and Glocks, they could have fired back in unison at the first shot - and the shooter would have died in a hail of MAGA-bullets...

What do you think MAGA-fans, should Trump's rallies still be no gun zones?

A red flag law could have prevented this. The family were already on the radar and their guns could have been confiscated.

Georgia failed.

Prosecute him to the full extent of the law. Also any other legal guardians who were aware he had a rifle after threatening a school shooting.

Georgia is a death penalty state. Charge him as an adult with first degree under special circumstances and prosecutors should seek and push for it. No excuses, doesn’t matter the reason, what’s done is done. Punishment should fit the crime.

It's quite instructive to hear VP nominee and couch creep JD Vance pontificate on these school shootings;

Walz has no room to talk, he allowed his city to run amok and watched as thugs burned down their police station and did absolutely nothing.

One wonders if he'd be so nonchalant if his kids were lying dead in the hallways...

And he doubles down on the old far-right argument - "the way to cure gun violence is with more guns"....

The Dems have zero solutions, they point the finger at Republicans when their own cities burn down, they declare war on the police, some areas they try and defund them, don’t give the resources they need, won’t allow them to do their job and to enforce the law as they should, these men and women are risking their lives for little pay doing the best they can with little resources they have, many either retire early or just cash in their retirement and as such, they are hiring anyone that needs a job and often the people they hire are not qualified and should never be a cop. Dems are a huge part of the problem why these streets are out of control, and we didn’t even address the illegal alien problem that is now getting out of control with armed gangs taking over small communities.

Makes, sense right? Just like the way to cure cancer is to hand our more cigarettes....

As in the Dems policies which have done nothing to better the lives of the people and communities they claim to care about.

Of course that "more guns" argument goes out the window when it comes to Trump's rallies - those are "no gun zones"....

Weak argument, then that means cops should patrol neighborhoods without guns and then get their rear ends handed to them like some countries.

Not sure why - just think if all the MAGA-fans at Trump's rally where he was shot had their AR15s and Glocks, they could have fired back in unison at the first shot - and the shooter would have died in a hail of MAGA-bullets...

And again, the Dem response is just to hurl baseless emotional attacks, that is their only solution, they absolutely nothing to the table.

What do you think MAGA-fans, should Trump's rallies still be no gun zones?

I wonder if there will be one or two law-enforcement agencies that will support Kamala and her running mate, surely there has to be a department that will support them…yes, no?

We, the United States of America, is a nation without the political will to put an end to the gun culture and excuse it by fudging the constitution.

If there was a photograph of guns posted with the earlier Discrod threat in 2023, as reported, I hope the cops checked to see if those shown were the same guns in the father's closet. If not, this kid is some kind of devious.

Prosecute him to the full extent of the law. Also any other legal guardians who were aware he had a rifle after threatening a school shooting.

Georgia is a death penalty state. Charge him as an adult with first degree under special circumstances and prosecutors should seek and push for 

SCOTUS has outlawed the death penalty for minors, Dershowitz.

Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005)

SCOTUS has outlawed the death penalty for minors, Dershowitz. 

Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005

They really need to change the law, or just put the kid in solitary confinement, the smallest cell and 23 hours of lockdown

SCOTUS has outlawed the death penalty for minors, Dershowitz. 

Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005

They really need to change the law

For starters (The answer to this one should be amusing) “They” who?

Did you know that the “S” in SCOTUS stands for “Supreme”?

They said the Constitution does not allow for the execution of minors under the 8th and 14th amendments.

Thats the law.

Short if an amendment to the constitution specifically allowing the execution of minors, which isn’t going to happen, or SCOTUS deciding the case was wrongly decided, which also isn’t going to happen, it’s done.

You know as little about American jurisprudence as you do about elections.

No, they cannot once the SUPREME court has ruled that MINORS CANNOT BE EXECUTED. 

Relax, I’m just saying they should.

Really, cause I knew this any you clearly did NOT. 

I knew, but that was not my argument.

Just as you didn’t know the difference between primary and general elections until I told you. Just as you didn’t know that jails and prisons weren’t the same. 

Wrong again.

It’s really a shame you didn’t go to law school. You’d have been the school comedian

I don’t need to go to law school to know the law. I can cook better than most, but I’m not a chef, go figure…

And that doesn’t even begin to deal with how unbelievably stupid it is to advocate the execution of minors.

SCOTUS has outlawed the death penalty for minors, Dershowitz. 

Simmons, 543 U.S. 551 (2005

They really need to change the law, or just put the kid in solitary confinement

You are now calling to execute minors.

I see.

You are now calling to execute minors. 

I see.

If they commit a crime like this, absolutely.

And that doesn’t even begin to deal with how unbelievably stupid it is to advocate the execution of minors.

Hmmm…yeah, well, I have a different opinion. He knew what he was doing, he’s fit to stand trial and no, I have zero sympathy for the kid, zero.

No, they cannot once the SUPREME court has ruled that MINORS CANNOT BE EXECUTED. 

Relax, I’m just saying they should. 

Really, cause I knew this any you clearly did NOT. 

I knew, but that was not my argument.

So you were advocating something you knew to be legally impossible under the Constitution?

And your comment “laws can be amended”? I’m sure that was rhetorical flourishing and not trailer park ignorance, eh?

More likely you had not clue one and are now trying to cover up your ignorance of the law.

Funny thing about cooking. You can learn it with no consequences. Not so the law.

I think Evil Buddha is going to have to up its game to challenge for your spot on the ignorance thrown.

So you were advocating something you knew to be legally impossible under the Constitution? 

They should work on amending the law

And your comment “laws can be amended”? I’m sure that was rhetorical flourishing and not trailer park ignorance, eh? 

Nope

More likely you had not clue one and are now trying to cover up your ignorance of the law.

Nope 

Funny thing about cooking. You can learn it with no consequences.

That depends

Not so the law. 

You can, we all have access to books

I think Evil Buddha is going to have to up its game to challenge for your spot on the ignorance thrown.

You keep losing these debates, time to up your game, John. Lol