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Germany to restrict AstraZeneca use in under-60s over blood clots

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By FRANK JORDANS

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So the chances of getting this blood clot are around 0.00001148148. Is the math right on this? They are willing to stop vaccinations because of this, however the chances of dying from this virus are about 2.73% in Germany if you catch it (age and race not included in this number).

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~DEU

Seems like the odds are better to take the vaccine, no?

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They don't know why the blood clots are happening, which suggests that there are interactions between the chemicals in the shots and the human body that "experts" don't understand.

If they don't understand what's happening, how can they claim "it's safe"

Knowing the mechanisms why something happens is not the first thing that has to be done in cases like this, the first thing is to corroborate if it is happening.

If you compare the risk of something between vaccinated and unvaccinated people and find it is approximately the same, that of course means any person would have the same chances of having this problem with or without being vaccinated. This is enough to conclude that the vaccine is safe (at least with respect with this problem).

There is of course value in following vaccinated people and registering any problems, if something seems elevated then it is also understandable to temporarily suspend the immunization to corroborate it (this helps proving the antivaxxer "no liability" argument as bogus) and once things are clarified then continue vaccinating.

The problem is that sometimes the risks being evaluated clearly outweigh the risks that come with suspending immunization. Lets say, if the problems are actually related to the vaccine one out of 1 million vaccinated people would die, but on the other side for every day immunization is stopped 10 out of every million unvaccinated people will die from the infection. Then it becomes much more difficult to justify the suspension.

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If they don't understand what's happening, how can they claim "it's safe"

Because they cant be sued, they can ask any price and influential people will force you to buy their products or be deprived of your human rights and under house arrest.

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Because they cant be sued, they can ask any price and influential people will force you to buy their products or be deprived of your human rights and under house arrest.

Do you know what is hugely more profitable than a vaccine for any pharmaceutical company? a few days or weeks on the ICU.

Also, if they have access to such influential people how come the distribution of vaccines can be so easily interrupted by extremely rare complications? It is almost as if they were not the all-mighty world controlling organizations that conspiracy theorists want you to believe.

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So the chances of getting this blood clot are around 0.00001148148. Is the math right on this? They are willing to stop vaccinations because of this, however the chances of dying from this virus are about 2.73% in Germany if you catch it (age and race not included in this number).

I think we'd want to compare the vaccine risk with the death rate from the virus among under 60s.

For a very crude comparison, about 2,320 under-60s in England died with Covid between 29 June, 2020 and 31 January 2021. England's population is about 56,000,000. So about 0.0000414 of the population.

Number from: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-reported-sars-cov-2-deaths-in-england/covid-19-confirmed-deaths-in-england-report

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ALL the more AZ vaccine for the rest of us if those daft Europeans, [against the advice of the European Medicines Agency and the WHO], are turning their noses up at it.

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