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The end game is population reduction however you slice it.

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They are demanding immediate action .

Ok .

Let's see what happens.

Are they all going to stop driving their cars and stop doing anything that contributes to global warming.

How will their demands be met ?

Taking over the streets in thousands might cause the military to get involved and burn more fossil fuels in their tanks and military vehicles.

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In the UK the military are usually used against protesters. We have no national guard.

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@Zichi, we know you have a few years behind you, but surely you’re not referencing the Peterloo Massacre? The UK govt hasn’t used the military in England for protests since!

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@UK9393,

I'm assuming zichi made a typo and intended to write "aren't used". (But correct me if I'm wrong, zichi.) Regarding Peterloo, you may be right that the military hasn't been used in England to suppress protests since, but in Glasgow, the military were used in 1919 against striking workers. (Of course, Northern Ireland is a whole different matter.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_George_Square

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Yes sorry a typo on my phone. These days the UK military is not used against protesters and demonstrators but have in the past including in Liverpool. But NI is also part of the UK.

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"But NI is also part of the UK."

I was there in '77, and at street level, with shopfronts bombed into rubble and armed soldiers aiming their rifles at pedestrians, it did not look like the UK where I had been only days before...

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But Bloody Sunday was in the modern times.

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Maybe these fools could consider doing some protest in smog-covered Beijing instead of comfy Glasgow?

0 ( +8 / -8 )

The right to assemble and protest was a hard won one and should always be guarded.

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Maybe these fools could consider doing some protest in smog-covered Beijing instead of comfy Glasgow?

Funny how China is never mentioned by Greta and co.

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This is not activism it is anarchism writ large, courtesy  of cult of Thunberg-ism

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UK uses militarist to make temporary hospitals. They are supposed to do the training in the jungle but since there is no jungle, they just do some PT on the field. Also, that work is for builders.

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I don't have any beef personally Greta Thunberg.

Thunberg parents thrusted Greta onto the world stage, god knows why, by they did.

They stuck a target on her back.

That is not parenting that is loony tunes.

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Helix

Maybe these fools could consider doing some protest in smog-covered Beijing instead of comfy Glasgow?

You didn't get the memo that the COP26 is in Glasgow and not Beijing? Not that China is letting people in any way.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

It is the future of the youth of today and deserves to be heard by the COP26.

How much was achieved between COP1 and COP26? Not much.

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Nothing really and unlikely at COP whatever.

There has to be a unified response to climate change.

Realistically costed, for the people to view fully understand and accept

But no it isn't is it?

The climate anarchists cannot or will not go from A to B.

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You have to win people over, not block roads and make lives a misery.

The Thunberg's of this world just don't get it,

They shout without purpose, they scream without any meaningful agenda. They howl greenwash, simply because its the favorite locution of the day.

Got be smarter that this nonsense.

4 ( +7 / -3 )

All protests and demonstrations block the roads but in the UK you are required to ask for permission and submit the route.

They are the consumers of tomorrow and business needs to listen to them.

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Honestly, zichi, I don't, I actually totally agree with Greta.

Climate change needs to be fully taken seriously.

Got to have a plan. And present it coherently.

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itsonlyrockandroll

You are not actually in Glasgow so you can not know the extend of what is happening there. You are just picking it up from what is in the media.

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It is not the role of protestors to have a plan. Plans are made by the scientists and professors and those with the equipment and resources to study, predict and publish. Over the last 50 years, there has been a rainforest worth of paper on reports about climate change and what needs to be done.

The youth in Glasgow are tired of the words and reports and want to see real actions from the world leaders and politicians.

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You are right, zichi, never visited Glasgow in my life, visited Edinburgh, it was cold, my Dad brought me a kilt.

All my post/comments are my humble opinion, no more no less. I am not suggesting I am right. really I am not.

I am not having a pop at Greta. even though it might appear so.

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Protest must have a purpose, and purpose equals a plan.

Or what is change and its meaning?

Alan Milburn told me this once not in those exact words, as an intern. not quite, they paid me, he was one of the only honest genuine politicians I have had the pleasure to meet

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Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

1 ( +4 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Sadly Greta is a mouthpiece for the extremists, I am fully in support of the need to make our civilisation ecologically sustainable for the long term, by which I mean thousands of years not just next week. Unfortunately that is not going to be achieved by making peoples lives hell and putting their backs up, that is simply counter productive though it probably makes those involved feel important.

The sort of radical immediate changes advocated by the extremists for whom she has become a useful mouthpiece are neither economically viable nor practical to achieve without causing planet wide economic, physical and societal collapse, leading to untold billions of lives lost and the tiny remainder reduced to living in a yurt and grubbing a living, which seems to be the idealised vision they are aiming for just overlooking the death and suffering they would inevitably cause.

We do need to address these problems, and world population is one of them, but technology and the tools our advanced civilisation provides us must be the path to a solution, and that requires finance. Sadly money doesn’t grow on trees.

-2 ( +1 / -3 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity.  It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

-3 ( +0 / -3 )

itsonlyrocknroll

protestors do not need a program or thesis on climate change. There are already a million of them. The young raw energy is trying to make the older senior leaders do something and not just talk about it like COP1-COP26.

I was part of the Mother Earth movement in the 1960s. Not much has changed since then, 50 years, only the climate.

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From Friday's New York Times, comes a report that the U.S. Department of Energy says that "......current strategies to lower greenhouse gases may not be enough to avert the worst effects of climate change." Which is a polite way of saying that we are in deep dooh-dooh.

If we wanted to stop global warming, we should have gone carbon-neutral many decades ago, not some time in the future. Most of the CO2 put into the atmosphere since the 1920s is still in the air. Although going carbon-neutral is still an important goal, what we need to do now is to go carbon negative, that is to say, we need to actually take CO2 out of the air, instead of letting it sit there for hundreds of years, warming up the planet. The other thing we need to do is to do things to prepare for the coming climate catastrophes. We need to have plans for moving people to higher ground. We need to prepare to deal with droughts, forest fires, and floods.

Given the way we humans usually deal with threats to our existence, we probably won't do anything until it is too late to stop the first set of calamities........which brings us back to the protests at Glasgow. They may seem radical, but are very tame compared to the climate disasters they are meant to avert.

0 ( +2 / -2 )

Hilarious thread.

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Maybe these fools could consider doing some protest in smog-covered Beijing instead of comfy Glasgow?

Glasgow is where it’s at. I thought everyone knew this.

If they flew to Beijing you’d criticize their carbon use, so they’d have to take a boat or swim.

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"They cannot ignore the scientific consensus and they cannot ignore us," said Thunberg.

Seems they can

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Greta Thunberg can be a saving role model for generations to come.

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity. It has to go

Don’t become a shouter, 

To be a climate setter, you have to win the race, soft not hard, a more cautious clever smart approach.

That doesn’t seem very rocknroll.

1 ( +2 / -1 )

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity. It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

Brutal honesty is what is needed. Professionally politically advised and she would be lost in all the other "correct speak" politicians of the world. She is a breath of fresh air and wears her heart on her sleeve. She is doing ok for her age and will improve as she gains experience.

0 ( +3 / -3 )

Oh no but it isrocknroll” *@BobFosse 10:24pm, **especially* if its the same words repeated, at least 8 times in row!

-2 ( +0 / -2 )

"They cannot ignore the scientific consensus and they cannot ignore us," said Thunberg.

Actually the Chinese, and their fast growing industrial base, can and will ignore you Greta. They say they will think about reducing CO2 in 2070.

-1 ( +3 / -4 )

If Greta was professionally politically advised.

The un-eloquent provocative language. The tone, the vulgarity. It has to go

Don’t become a shouter,

Grunge music, led by Nirvana, was popular for Generation X, as it expressed the generation's anger at boomer generations' having ruined the world for financial gain.

Twenty-five years after Generation X we're seeing that the capitalists have only ramped up their exploitation of the planet and the people within it to elevate themselves to the level of financial gods, while the rest of us toil in anxiety and stress for their gain.

Thunberg is angry. The whole generation is angry. As they should be.

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Actually the Chinese, and their fast growing industrial base, can and will ignore you Greta.

Eh? China has been working on cleaning up their environmental issues for more than a decade: https://www.wsj.com/ad/article/chinaenergy-powerhouse

Unlike America which spent 2017 - 2020 removing environmental protections.

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Glasgow is just a meeting asking people to cut back yet they're flying 400 airplanes and 30,000 people meanwhile Xi submits a video, the lightest footprint.

It is very possible that China invents the next energy breakthrough in time so we can stop destroying the world. Aren't they the only ones actually doing research?

0 ( +1 / -1 )

@Kobe White Bar Owner

The population is going to peak before 2050 and begin to decline.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

@Strangerland

Everything, by every metric of human existence has improved everywhere since grunge music. You are welcome!

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What worries me most is the portrayal of it would be the same regardless of whither there is actual progress or not. There will be protest all the time, perpetually, not to say in the absence of it the solution will present itself.

They could always be doing more, there's always leaders and stragglers relatively speaking.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

instead of comfy Glasgow

The weather in Glasgow today doesn't look so comfy. Windy, damp, grey, normal. (But plenty of Chinese restaurants.)

-1 ( +1 / -2 )

I can think of far more things to be angry about in Glasgow. Those nefarious Weegies.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

I think I stuttered a bit there......

No not rocknroll, sometimes one has to be pragmatic to get the message across.

0 ( +1 / -1 )

The issue of China and global warming is a conundrum.

On the one hand, they have more EVs on the road than the rest of the world combined. On the other hand, they rely very heavily on burning coal for their electricity, negating the benefits of using EVs instead of internal combustion engine powered cars.

They and their leadership are not totally stupid, so I hold out some hope that they will dedicate resources to the challenge of going carbon negative in the very near future.

1 ( +1 / -0 )

In politics/business one needs the skills, the methodology, influence of a number of opinions, some opposing.

There has to be a resolution.

Without resolution what is left is anarchy.

What is missing for Greta is the fact that a political agenda is front center.

Got to focus on changing minds.

Shouting gets you nowhere.

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Just think about what 5000 people could actually do to reduce carbon emissions instead of throwing a big angry tantrum blocking up the streets

-1 ( +2 / -3 )

I am no senior nor kid. Kids' opinions are not of any interest even if my kids.

I read and understand scientific climate reports.

I also read through political agenda. Kids don't otherwise kids would be granted vote rights since birth.

Climate change is real but every year technological progress is too.

I want to live with my kids in a country where taxes are not led by political agendas. Carbon tax is, because the ones that generate high pollution (jet users) don't care and will just pay to have the power to pollute. The ones like us (or like me at least) with limited financial power will just pay additional taxes limiting our lives.

Anyway, with over 200 000 additional humans on Earth per day, all measures are mostly useless.

Don't expect any international agreement, otherwise peace on Earth would not be a matter of discussion.

I want only harsh measures to the polluters so far, not on every Joe such as myself.

There is no worry as a species that we'll have no issue to survive. Darwin law will apply : if flooding, go to higher grounds; if fire, go to more humid envrionments, etc . Humans are the ones destroying their environment and shall pay the price. For everything else, adaptation is key.

Having more natural deaths because we as a species becomes too many in some geographical areas is ...natural. it's called a negative feedback, and the more you fight against it, the more negative it will be.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_feedback

No green tax, I want more technological progress by education.

2 ( +2 / -0 )

Jonathan Prin

I am no senior nor kid. Kids' opinions are not of any interest even if my kids.

The majority of the people are not kids, they are legal young adults with the vote. There are also many older people.

Hundreds of thousands of consumers and voters.

Invalid CSRF again?

1 ( +2 / -1 )

Jonathan Prin

Anyway, with over 200 000 additional humans on Earth per day, all measures are mostly useless.

Interesting how that is never mentioned by the climate activists. More people every day, and all of the want increasing living standards. Yet the climate fairy tale is that that can be accomodated with windmills and solar panels. It seems the climate discussion has been ceded to children.

0 ( +0 / -0 )

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