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Global COVID-19 deaths hit 4 million amid rush to vaccinate

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The global death toll from COVID-19 eclipsed 4 million Wednesday as the crisis increasingly becomes a race between the vaccine and the highly contagious delta variant.

Great time for an Olympics in one of the world's most crowded megalopolises!

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Totally meaningless number, as nobody can verify any "global" figure let alone one that is politically charged and depends on politically made definitions.

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Global COVID-19 deaths hit 4 million amid rush to vaccinate

Yes, this rush to vaccinate is the reason why certain safe and treatments had to be rejected and forbidden.

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Some people are making a lot of money from vaccines which in themselves can cause death!

The chances of death from the virus is low in healthy people.To imply that the virus is solely responsible for deaths is misleading-there are many other reasons

When people of 97 years are signed off as a Covid death then something is off!

And other than being sensible with hygiene there is not much to fear in my experience.

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@Raw Beer

Are you talking about that Hepatitis drug?

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Yes, this rush to vaccinate is the reason why certain safe and treatments had to be rejected and forbidden.

Huge, if true.

Which it isn't.

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@Raw Beer - I'm sorry, which treatments are you referring to? I'm sure the world would love to have something that worked effectively than have to spend Billion on Vaccines and implode their economies.

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We should always remember where this virus came from. That is a lot of avoidable deaths.

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We should always remember where this virus came from. That is a lot of avoidable deaths.

we should always remember those that downplayed the virus, avoiding 1000s of deaths

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That's 0.051% of the world population. And recent stats show that in many countries the median age of death was above that country's LIFE EXPECTANCY. I know I will get the flood of vitriol for pointing this out, but seems to me that the hysteria over this may have been overdone?

And despite all the better data and vaccine and better treatments is still being overdone?

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Its so sad that 18 months into this pandemic there are still people who act and carry on like its the flu. 4 million people didn't die of the flu.

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Yes, this rush to vaccinate is the reason why certain safe and treatments had to be rejected and forbidden.

Baseless conspiracies that can be proved wrong with examples that contradict them (such as dexamethasone) can be discarded without problems.

 I know I will get the flood of vitriol for pointing this out, but seems to me that the hysteria over this may have been overdone?

That is the thing, health care professionals as well as people that understand the science can understand that this huge amount of people dying even unders heavy protective measures still mean a huge loss that should be prevented. Specially because this is not like people can only die or recover completely.

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Baseless conspiracies that can be proved wrong with examples that contradict them (such as dexamethasone) can be discarded without problems.

Dexamethasone is recommended for severe Covid-19 patients by the NIH (US), NHS (UK), IDSA (US), EMA (EU), and WHO (the rest of earth) and has repeatedly shown in trials significant benefit and death prevention.

Please, present your contradictory examples to prove these acronym conspiracy theorists wrong.....

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In the USA the vaccines are not CDC approved, they are still under Emergency Use Authorization, why is that?

Because typically it takes 2-3 years of data before the CDC is comfortable with approving drugs, hence the EUA approval since the pandemic is an emergency and they don't have the required amount of data yet.

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yes, and what happens when they DO have the required amount of data and it tells an alternate story of safety?

My friend got J&J vaccine then a week later was casually told: oh by the way, we found a blood clot issue with it, just thought you should know....you will probably be ok, but you need to keep an eye on that the next 10 years or so.

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sorry, I meant FDA, not CDC - mybad!

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yes, and what happens when they DO have the required amount of data and it tells an alternate story of safety?

so what would you have happen then? - nobody uses vaccines and we just patiently wait for 3 years or so? Is that what you would prefer?

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The new variant is the latest scary monster here. Yet curiously nobody talks about the lethality of the delta strain. Yes it is more contagious, but it also seems far less lethal. This is typical of viruses' behavior before they disappear. They mutate to survive, which means NOT killing their host organism.

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That's 0.051% of the world population. 

You make a compelling argument in favor of decriminalizing murder.

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This is typical of viruses' behavior before they disappear. They mutate to survive, which means NOT killing their host organism.

"Actually, there is no such thing as a deadly disease" - genius physician Attilathehungry

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The toll is three times the number of people killed in traffic accidents around the globe every year.

Yeah sure just use a comparison which is convenient. Let's look at another one. Let's look at the world hunger facts (https://www.worldhunger.org/world-child-hunger-facts/):

*Overall, 5.6 million children under age five died in 2016, nearly 15,000 daily** (World Health Organization [WHO], 2016). The risk of a child dying before five years of age is highest in Africa (76.5 per 1000 live births), about 8 times higher than in Europe (9.6 per 1000 live births) (WHO, 2016).*

*Approximately 3.1 million children die from undernutrition each year** (UNICEF, 2018a). Hunger and undernutrition contribute to more than half of global child deaths, as undernutrition can make children more vulnerable to illness and exacerbate disease (UNICEF, 2018a).*

Yes millions of children die every year form just hunger. And mostly nobody cares. Neither do the hypocrites that call to save the lives of mostly elderlies using lockdowns and authoritarian hygienist measures. But they did not give a damn about the life of children who were not even given a chance to live, as long as it was far away from them. Once they were exposed to a danger, they all became suddenly altruistic. The dance of hypocrites....

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https://thehill.com/policy/defense/547964-dod-pauses-administration-of-jj-vaccine-to-military

Wow, this is a pretty damning article from April 13. I wonder if there have been any updates in the time since. Oh well, I guess there'a no way to kn

The military plans to resume administering the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine later this week, now that federal health officials have recommended the shots be given out once again.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/04/27/military-resume-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-after-regulators-give-clearance.html

Oh. Hrm.

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Please, present your contradictory examples to prove these acronym conspiracy theorists wrong.....

A safe and effective treatment that could easily be demonstrated as such is an example that contradicts the conspiracy that said this would be impossible, because it should have been suppressed, but it wasn't.

Not that anyone who wont take the vaccine is actually allowed to speak.

Anybody can speak, what they can't do is misrepresent their personal opinions as if they were based on scientific data unless they do present that data. If the only thing you can do to defend your position is misrepresent it then it is understandable that this misrepresentation is discarded.

The new variant is the latest scary monster here. Yet curiously nobody talks about the lethality of the delta strain. Yes it is more contagious, but it also seems far less lethal. 

Have you thought that infecting populations with immunized vulnerable people would easily explain that? Without controlling for this, the strain could be even more lethal but appear as the opposite simply because it is infecting people that are much better protected thanks to vaccines.

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Yes, this rush to vaccinate is the reason why certain safe and treatments had to be rejected and forbidden.

Baseless conspiracies that can be proved wrong with examples that contradict them (such as dexamethasone) can be discarded without problems.

Yeah, you keep bringing up dexamethasone as "proof" against all the "conspiracy theories". But that steroid is completely irrelevant, it addresses a different stage of Covid-19.

That is the thing, health care professionals as well as people that understand the science can understand that this huge amount of people dying even unders heavy protective measures still mean a huge loss that should be prevented.

Exactly, and so many doctors "that understand the science" have been very effectively treating Covid-19 patients with safe and cheap treatments like ivermectin and HCQ+azithromycin (and yes, even your beloved dexamethasone if they are caught too late). But these doctors are constantly attacked, censored, fired....

Currently, three vaccines are authorized and recommended in the United States to prevent COVID-19

Yes, they are only authorized for emergency use, and one condition for that authorization is that no alternative treatment is available, hence the "Ivermectin and HCQ don't work" narrative...

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Yeah, you keep bringing up dexamethasone as "proof" against all the "conspiracy theories". But that steroid is completely irrelevant, it addresses a different stage of Covid-19.

It is effective, safe and helps people for very cheap (meaning billions are lost because of it), according to the conspiracy this would be enough to be suppressed but it is not, that do demonstrate the conspiracy is false and irrational.

Exactly, and so many doctors "that understand the science" have been very effectively treating Covid-19 patients with safe and cheap treatments like ivermectin and HCQ+azithromycin (and yes, even your beloved dexamethasone if they are caught too late). But these doctors are constantly attacked, censored, fired....

No they are not, people are validly attacked by pushing antiscientific propaganda like the "proven" value of a drug that offers limited (if any) advantage like ivermectin or things already proved beyond any rational doubt as worthless like HCQ. If you have no data to contradict the scientific consensus the only valid action is to accept it. People still treat common cold with antibiotic very commonly, that does not make it an actual effective treatment either.

If you fail to address the data that contradicts what you think that would you are not actually interested in finding what is better for the patients, but instead in pushing an irrational explanation that can be proved wrong.

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@Raw Beer: On July 4th you said that you were looking forward to see the situation in Indonesia improving rapidly as they were actively using some of your 'remedies'.

Indonesia is in absolute crisis with both infections and deaths. Even Oxygen is running short there.

Discuss.

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Been living with the virus ever since it hit Japan.

Travelled internationally.

Met medical staff daily for over a year

Had close contact with an infected individual for several hours

Yet having taken precautions not to get infected, here I am-not infected!

Will take the indefinite antigen test tomorrow though as I am curious.

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Yeah, you keep bringing up dexamethasone as "proof" against all the "conspiracy theories". But that steroid is completely irrelevant, it addresses a different stage of Covid-19.

It is effective, safe and helps people for very cheap (meaning billions are lost because of it), according to the conspiracy this would be enough to be suppressed but it is not, that do demonstrate the conspiracy is false and irrational.

Yeah, it competes against other cheap steroids. And yeah, it does provide some benefits to hospitalized patients at the later stages of the disease. It does nothing to disprove any of the "conspiracies" I have demonstrated since the start of this pandemic. Low doses of HCQ+Azithromycin has been proven in 100's of studies to be very effective when given early. Same with Ivermectin.

@Raw Beer: On July 4th you said that you were looking forward to see the situation in Indonesia improving rapidly as they were actively using some of your 'remedies'.

Indonesia is in absolute crisis with both infections and deaths. Even Oxygen is running short there.

Taking notes? Did I say that?

Someone did write something about it being recently authorized, but that does not mean that the millions of doses magically appear in the hands of the Indonesians. It takes time to get or make the drug and then to distribute the several millions of doses...

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Yeah, it competes against other cheap steroids. And yeah, it does provide some benefits to hospitalized patients at the later stages of the disease. It does nothing to disprove any of the "conspiracies" I have demonstrated since the start of this pandemic

Again, yes it does, because it has every reason the conspiracy lovers say would make it necessary to suppress it, and it was never done so. You demonstrate nothing, just say this is ok for the companies to lose money for, without giving any reason.

HCQ has been already disproved with more and better studies than limited, badly done or purposefully manipulated studies, that is why all the medical and scientific organizations have concluded it should not be used, no matter how cheap it is, because it gives no benefit, exactly the contrary to dexamethasone that overcame that hurdle easily.

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The lab made CCP Virus has been devastating on the entire world. never forget this when dealing with China apologist garbage.

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Yes, the present global statistics do show a certain callousness amongst the makers of certain vaccines.

But with another nation joining in the mass production effort, with vaccines aimed at being low cost and stable, even if the US and EU plus countries decide that booster shots for them are more important than basic vaccination for others, those statistics will start changing for the better in the months to come.

PS, that expatriates from those countries are starting to double up on vaccination because those countries refuse to accept that being fully vaccinated with Sputnik or the Sinos is good enough not to be subjected to the restrictions or unvaccinated people shows the nature of the problem that sees mass parties in parts of the world, and mass death in others.

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