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Biden to GOP: 'Don't get in the way' of infrastructure plan

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The GOP has every right to scale back Biden enormous spending.

They don't, actually.

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“I’m not going to embarrass anyone, but I have here a list," he said. “If you’re going to take credit for what we’ve done,” he continued, “don’t get in the way of what we need to do.”

Imagine if Trump had said this. It would be Nancy and Chuck up in arms.

The president said he was “not looking to punish anyone” with his tax plans. But said it was time for America’s wealthy and corporations to help invest in the nation’s future.

Yeah you were (transparent if ever), Lets see how well that works when more factories and jobs are shipped off shore. Why not just ask for investment capital and assemble a panel or a committee to assist corporations to invest in America. This will also allow less Chinese influence. No need to tax then above the norm. There is always a way other than fresh batch of tax hikes.

The Republican senators said their offer, raised from an initial $568 billion, delivers on “core infrastructure investments” that Biden has focused on as areas of potential agreement. With about $250 billion in new spending, the GOP plan remains far from the president’s approach. Biden reduced his $2.3 trillion opening bid to $1.7 trillion in earlier negotiations.

The GOP has every right to scale back Biden enormous spending.

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Money printing and share buybacks are something quite different from real economic growth or infrastructure projects.

I'm just quoting your source, my man. If you don't like it, don't post it.

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Express sisterToday  01:21 pm JST

Expect more of the same, only on a bigger scale.

Oh, really?

While the 2009 stimulus package may not have fixed the nation’s infrastructure, it certainly did its intended job of getting the economy back on track. Since the stimulus bill was signed back in February 2009, the SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (NYSE: SPY) is up 194 percent.

More of a 194% increase, but on a bigger scale? Sounds pretty good.

Money printing and share buybacks are something quite different from real economic growth or infrastructure projects.

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Expect more of the same, only on a bigger scale.

Oh, really?

While the 2009 stimulus package may not have fixed the nation’s infrastructure, it certainly did its intended job of getting the economy back on track. Since the stimulus bill was signed back in February 2009, the SPDR S&P 500 ETF Trust (NYSE: SPY) is up 194 percent.

More of a 194% increase, but on a bigger scale? Sounds pretty good.

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We had $750 billion in "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects under Obama in 2009, and nothing to show for it.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/happened-shovel-ready-infrastructure-projects-212123861.html

Expect more of the same, only on a bigger scale.

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I’m no fan of Hannity, but his derogatory naming of Biden as “snippy cup Joe” did make me chuckle.

I like when he makes fart jokes better.

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I’m no fan of Hannity, but his derogatory naming of Biden as “snippy cup Joe” did make me chuckle.

Sounds more appropriate a nickname for 45 based on his need to use two hands to drink from a small water bottle.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2120180/donald-trump-had-awkward-moment-water-bottle-during

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/11/donald-trump-drinks-water-bottle-like-marco-rubio.html

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Joe has a list here in his hand.

Biden is plagiarizing his role model

McCarthy from the 1950s

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sippy cup

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He really is a buffoon.

I’m no fan of Hannity, but his derogatory naming of Biden as “snippy cup Joe” did make me chuckle.

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Windmills don't cause lung cancer. ALL countries in the world are using windmills. This is a world thing, not a Trump thing

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many farmers had to dump their milk

I hate milk and people are drinking less of it

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Exactly, if the TexasTrump grid is that bad we cannot trust the Trump infrastructure plan.

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Texans being duped

If that's the case it sounds like Texas needs a new governor. Because no other state (even the ones with freezing winters) have the same problem as the TexasTrump grid. Duped? No, it's incompetence because NO OTHER state had the same power grid problem. This was the incompetence of the TexasTrump grid. Again, that is why the Trump infrastructure plan cannot be trusted. Bass never responds to my arguments because I am always right. I always win the argument.

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bass4funk: And more people are leaving

Which is usually tied to real estate prices. The higher they go, the more people leave. It's been shown to be the case over the last 2 decades, at least.

But if I were a right-wing blogger, I'd leave that part out. I'd just write that they are leaving because of socialist policies, taxes, and FREEDOM! Meaning they are leaving because you are right and they all agree with you.

Oh, and the #1 destination for people leaving Texas? California. That's because they're smart, educated, have access to higher paying jobs, reject toxic conservatism, aren't racist, enjoy equality. Or so I read in a blog.

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Comparable to the standard of living, homes are also 35% bigger than in California, a win, win tradeoff 

And how long will this last with more non-Trump people coming. It's not that much different.

Again, to the lifestyle, comparable.

Again, more California people are coming to Texas making it more and more Blue.

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Will the media allow those business owners to speak out to Biden, the ones that suffered so much.

What does this have to do with infrastructure? People died in Texas due to the TrumpGrid

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bass4funkToday  11:40 am JST

We went through that and you cannot change the definition of the word like the Queen song goes: You don't fool me.

Ok, so if Antifa or BLM kicks the crap out of conservatives protesters, rob, steal, loot, and torch then by that same definition, that would be considered in the left's eye to be infrastructure. ROFL, I see....

Judge, I would like this stricken from the record due to irrelevance.

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I get it, for the rich and Uber-rich it's a paradise

So you should love California, then.

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I wasn't aware that stats like poverty rates contradict California's much better education, healthcare, and infrastructure than Texas. No one else here does either so my work is done.

And more people are leaving, so I get it, for the rich and Uber-rich it's a paradise, they can afford private security since they don't like cops and enjoy what they have will millions of unwanted migrants that will add to the homeless population, meanwhile, the middle class can't run fast enough to leave that once great state.

Ah, here we are again. Somehow Texas having a smaller economy than California refuse data on healthcare, infrastructure, and taxes. In some way.

But a better standard of living, that is why people are moving like crazy because the infrastructure in that State is going up, as in new Housing.

You're free to love Texas all you want.

I do, but thanks for the re-affirmation and as the State becomes a cleaner and better big tech hub, the standard of living continues to climb with better everything that California could only dream of matching.

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"the resources (such as personnel, buildings, or equipment) required for an activity,"

then I, myself am infrastructure.

I am personnel required for an activity

my laptop is infrastructure, its required for an activity

My toilet is infrastructure. My rice cooker, my chair.

I and everything I own is infrastructure!

Strange that prior to this ridiculous Dem bill, no one questioned what infrastructure did and didnt consist of.

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But then......... if the workers need child care, does THAT become part of infrastructure too? Or the child care workers need elder care for their relatives, is that now infrastructure?

Yes it is.

But, again, if there are no facilities to put your children/elderly in, or people to take care of your children/elderly while you go to work... How do you go to work? How do you contribute to society if you can't leave your house? Please offer a "non-infrastructure" solution (other than "don't have kids and euthanize your elders once they become useless").

There's nothing strange about understanding "infrastructure" as "societal infrastructure", a definition which broadly encompasses everything that makes the lives of the citizens better. The real question is: why don't you want to make people's lives better? What do you have to gain from not helping people in need?

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If personnel are nibbled, which they certainly are

Nibbling personnel sounds like a matter for HR.

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The American people are selfish takers without any hint of responsibility.

Is this the GOP's new pitch to voters? "Vote for us, we think you're a bunch of parasites and will crush you accordingly!"

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Yet your post demonstrates otherwise.

No, it demonstrates how the Democrats are the snake oil salesmen they have always been.

Incorrect. Your own post demonstrated the congresswoman was correct.

Funny, you don't hear her talking about that line anymore, wonder why......

Are we talking about personal property of infrastructure?

We went through that and you cannot change the definition of the word like the Queen song goes: You don't fool me.

If personnel are nibbled, which they certainly are, then all of this:

Paid leave is infrastructure.

Child care is infrastructure.

Caregiving is infrastructure

is infrastructure.

Ok, so if Antifa or BLM kicks the crap out of conservatives protesters, rob, steal, loot, and torch then by that same definition, that would be considered in the left's eye to be infrastructure. ROFL, I see....

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superlib: And what do you get for lower taxes? Lower quality.

bass: Overall, not even close compared to California. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-continues-to-have-the-highest-poverty-level-in-the-nation/ar-BB19gnwM

I wasn't aware that stats like poverty rates contradict California's much better education, healthcare, and infrastructure than Texas. No one else here does either so my work is done.

superlib: Texas ranks lower than California in healthcare, education, services like broadband, etc. And let's not even get started on Universities.

What? Lol! Since 2015, Texas has been recognized as the world's 10th largest economy

Ah, here we are again. Somehow Texas having a smaller economy than California refuse data on healthcare, infrastructure, and taxes. In some way.

You're free to love Texas all you want. But like I said, you get what you pay for. If I had kids and the money I'd go with California. If I didn't have money, I'd settle for lower quality schools and healthcare in Texas. And I'd invest in a nice jacket.

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A majority of Americans support the infrastructure plan and a majority of Americans support increased taxes on the rich.

A majority of Americans support a $28 trillion national debt and overspending by “at least” $1 trillion a year. They also support underfunding the social security and medical programs such that they will no longer be able to afford to pay promised benefits in a few short years from now. The American people are selfish takers without any hint of responsibility. So sure - let’s spend and spend. The Fed has a money tree that will solve all of your problems.

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I think at this point, the GOP might surpass the 5 seats needed to flip the House and they might even pick up seats to rack in a super majority. 

You think the GOP will get 290 sears in the House? OK.

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None of this:

No, you just got made like Gillibrand and the entire left and the bad thing is, you guys believe people buy into this garbage.

refutes any of this:

or this:

Since 2015, Texas has been recognized as the world's 10th largest economy — ahead of Canada and South Korea and behind Brazil. Texas's economy overtook Brazil's to become the ninth largest economy in the world, according to 2019 GDP data from the International Monetary Fund.

Gross Domestic Product is a measurement of the size and strength of an economy. As of 2019, the United States has a GDP of $21.4 trillion, making it the world's largest economy, followed by China, Japan and Germany, according to the IMF. Texas has a GDP of $1.9 trillion. Italy, with a GDP of $2 trillion, is in eighth place, and Brazil, with a GDP of $1.8 trillion, is 10th, according to the IMF ranking of global economies.

Again, 2022 can't come fast enough. I think at this point, the GOP might surpass the 5 seats needed to flip the House and they might even pick up seats to rack in a super majority. Thanks Joe.

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Gross Domestic Product is a measurement of the size and strength of an economy. As of 2019, the United States has a GDP of $21.4 trillion, making it the world's largest economy, followed by China, Japan and Germany, according to the IMF. Texas has a GDP of $1.9 trillion. Italy, with a GDP of $2 trillion, is in eighth place, and Brazil, with a GDP of $1.8 trillion, is 10th, according to the IMF ranking of global economies.

Where is the mention of Cal's GDP?

Overall, not even close compared to California

Poverty RATE is higher in Texas (13.6%) compared to Cal (11.8%)

Why do Trump people hate California so much? Are they jealous about something?

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I think your definition of infrastructure really depends on how many degrees of Kevin Bacon, sorry separation you want to include. For example, a bridge is infrastructure. So are the materials needed to make it. So are the salaries paid to the workers. But then......... if the workers need child care, does THAT become part of infrastructure too? Or the child care workers need elder care for their relatives, is that now infrastructure? It can be easily taken to extremes and absurdities, in which anything even peripherally related to the original infrastructure project gets lumped in with it.

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P. Smith is right. But, out of interest,

Since 2015, Texas has been recognized as the world's 10th largest economy

Where does your hated California rank on this list?

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And way more land and freedom

It's not going to last that long since Texas is packing up with more and more non-Trump people. Also, why live in Texas with the big and ugly Trump wall? What kind of plan is that? The Texas/Trump infrastructure plan with just more ugly walls and highways? No thank you. California's problem mostly is just too many people and not enough housing and they are working on that. But Trump/Texas people can't even build a decent power grid. It failed and people died from it. The Trump infrastructure plan? After what happened in Texas? No thank you!!!

Texas has a GDP of $1.9 trillion

California's is 2.72T. Why is California not in that list? Much much much bigger. It is overflowing and that is why the Non Trump people are overflowing into places like Texas which will make Texas more and more like California.

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You need to specify when you’re using one of two definitions you provide.

I was always specific, you and Gillibrand and all the other liberals are trying to change the definition of the word, but it's not the first time the left do this. Even when it comes to impeachment, the reason for impeaching the President drastically changed according to what and how the left felt the word should be defined.

What about bridges and roads?

Well, what do you think? I'll let you marinate on that one.

Once again, here is the definition you posted:

I know what the definition is, I think the left doesn't, so once again, according to the congresswoman, infrastructure can be anything you want it to be and like Ben Shapiro somewhat said, breeding Unicorns is a form of infrastructure

Are you seriously trying to claim that personnel aren’t part of infrastructure?

In the meaning of personal property as it pertains to buildings? Come on now....

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Fun fact, economy doesn't equal healthcare, education, services like broadband, etc. :)

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Texas is a great place. Low income taxes, right?

Fantastic place.

But in reality states advertise lower income taxes but leave out the part where they increase other taxes. Texas has much lower income taxes but 3x property taxes. 

And way more land and freedom, contrast that to California where you get a lot less, a lot more taxes about 27 different ones altogether and a growing higher crime rate.

And what do you get for lower taxes? Lower quality.

Overall, not even close compared to California

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-continues-to-have-the-highest-poverty-level-in-the-nation/ar-BB19gnwM

Texas ranks lower than California in healthcare, education, services like broadband, etc. And let's not even get started on Universities.

What? Lol!

Since 2015, Texas has been recognized as the world's 10th largest economy — ahead of Canada and South Korea and behind Brazil. Texas's economy overtook Brazil's to become the ninth largest economy in the world, according to 2019 GDP data from the International Monetary Fund.

Gross Domestic Product is a measurement of the size and strength of an economy. As of 2019, the United States has a GDP of $21.4 trillion, making it the world's largest economy, followed by China, Japan and Germany, according to the IMF. Texas has a GDP of $1.9 trillion. Italy, with a GDP of $2 trillion, is in eighth place, and Brazil, with a GDP of $1.8 trillion, is 10th, according to the IMF ranking of global economies.

It's probably a good fit for a family that can't afford California.

With the poverty rate California has and as it continues to slide down to the abyss, why would you want your family to grow up there money or no money???

You and your kids get worse healthcare, worse education, and worse services. And a power grid that may or may not function.

You get what you pay for.

Maybe in some strange Michael Moore movie perhaps. lol

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And a power grid that may or may not function.

Yes, after what happened in Texas I would not trust the Trump version of the infrastructure plan. Trump just wanted to build a wall (where you only need ladders to go over). Trump infrastructure plan? No thank you!! Would the future Texas be attractive for Trump people? Elon Musk and other smart people are relocating their companies there and brining all the liberals. How long can Texas remain red?

No, they see and contrast that to what Texas and Florida

Texas and Florida both have lower average incomes compared to California. Also, housing is getting higher and higher and is catching up to California in that regard. And in Miami houses will be literally disappearing literally from the higher tides.

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I guess it's time to cut jobs and make more robots. At least robots won't ask for time off.

That sounds great! Publicly owned robots who can do the work for people will give us all more leisure time, while keeping production at the same levels.

Oh? The robots are privately owned, so only the owning class benefit from automation while the workers suffer? Hm. Seems like the robots, part of the means of production, should be seized, by the workers.

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I guess it's time to cut jobs and make more robots. At least robots won't ask for time off.

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I was using a definition of infrastructure that you posted to demonstrate it undermines your argument.

It doesn't, the definition is clear: Now Politically, it is often considered to refer to transportation, roads, bridges and items of that nature.

You left that out, so again, how does Childcare relate to what I just mentioned?

All of these relate to "the resources (such as personnel, buildings, or equipment) required for an activity,"

As in relation to ****buildings

Specifically the personnel required for an activity. See the blow definition you posted of infrastructure:

Infra- means "below;" so the infrastructure is the "underlying structure" of a country and its economy, the fixed installations that it needs in order to function. These include roads, bridges, dams, the water and sewer systems, railways and subways, airports, and harbors. These are generally government-built and publicly owned.

So how is paid leave part of infrastructure? Hmmm....this is why more and more people are waking up thinking what a lot of us already know and that this admin is a joke...sad and pathetic, but a joke nonetheless.

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bass: No, I left California for Texas and Japan.

Texas is a great place. Low income taxes, right?

But in reality states advertise lower income taxes but leave out the part where they increase other taxes. Texas has much lower income taxes but 3x property taxes.

And what do you get for lower taxes? Lower quality. Texas ranks lower than California in healthcare, education, services like broadband, etc. And let's not even get started on Universities.

It's probably a good fit for a family that can't afford California. You and your kids get worse healthcare, worse education, and worse services. And a power grid that may or may not function.

You get what you pay for.

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A majority of Americans support the infrastructure plan

With all due respect most don't even know what's in this crap bill.

and a majority of Americans support increased taxes on the rich.

They already do pay the majority of taxes, so how much more does the left want? They keep this up and just more people will relocate their money. The best thing would be to limit unemployment and get people back to work, limit their options and stop making people lazy

The GOP are getting in the way just to get in the way.

No, they see and contrast that to what Texas and Florida are doing and if they can lower taxes and unemployment and get people back to work, that's a great thing, you should want that, I know you do deep down inside.

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No, I left California for Texas and Japan

How is that Trump power grid in Texas? Shows that we should not leave the US's reconstruction to the Trump people since they build sloppy power grids. Like those trains in Japan? Big Texas cities would really benefit to an infrastructure like that but Trump people just want to expand on highways with dirty cars. And in the future Texas will have the same problems as California with their housing crisis just like other states.

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bass: New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending. And some of these cities are now demonstrating the impacts of their new budgets.

Actually a lot of government services were reduced due to COVID. You have to dig deeper to find the real reasons for each city. Right-wing blogs just look at numbers, throw in "defund the police," and call it a day. But it's a complicated situation.

On top of that, defunding the police is actually refunding other initiatives. The other day I saw a guy on the corner whacked out on drugs and dancing around. Who gets involved? The police. Are they mental health or drug addiction experts? No. A lot of these programs are diverting funds from police and investing in other types of interdictions. Cops need to be protecting people and responding to crimes, not dealing with homeless people sleeping in front of stores. Create programs where others do that work so the police can do what they do best.

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Republicans want to shift unspent COVID-19 relief dollars to help cover the costs, a nonstarter for many Democrats

Who can explain to me why that is a nonstarter?

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A majority of Americans support the infrastructure plan and a majority of Americans support increased taxes on the rich. The GOP are getting in the way just to get in the way.

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There have been no increases in taxes

There will be, of course with that massive spending and people not working.

and no defunding of the police.

Absolutely not true.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

Portland, Oregon, cut $15m from its budget and disbanded a gun violence reduction unit and transit team that had both long been accused of over-policing Black communities. San Francisco officials pledged to divest $120m from police over two years with plans to invest in health programs and workforce training. Minneapolis is using police cuts to launch a mental health team to respond to certain 911 calls.

New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore and a dozen other cities have all also reduced police spending. And some of these cities are now demonstrating the impacts of their new budgets.

You ran away to Japan?

No, I left California for Texas and Japan.

"Americans are flocking to a group of mostly Western states, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

Not really.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisdorsey/2021/03/17/americas-mass-migration-intensifies-as-leftugees-flee-blue-states-and-counties-for-red/?sh=705dec4b3146

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So.....

Paid leave is infrastructure.

Child care is infrastructure.

Caregiving is infrastructure

You're the one who posted a definition that said that personnel was infrastructure, not P. Smith.

No, he didn’t. He was wondering aloud if it was being looked into.

I misremembered. Thank you.

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Yes, I’m okay; I’m not the one undermining my own arguments in a single post.

You didn’t, you’re just wrangling around in agitated liberal hyperboles.

I agree with Mariam-Webster’s definition - the one you posted, which was painfully obvious from my post. Gillibrand’s definition, however, accords with Mariam-Webster’s.

So.....

Paid leave is infrastructure.

Child care is infrastructure.

Caregiving is infrastructure

Ok, so conservatives mounting a campaign to dispose of the Democrats in the House in 2022 is ( according to the left and Gillibrand ) infrastructure.

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And yes, most rich people are smart. In the US at least, very few simply interited their wealth (less than 10%). Most made it themselves. Of course there may be a few exceptions, but they don't disprove the general rule

Yes and Trump only received a small loan form his father, the biggest, and racist, developer in NYC.

Totally self made.

And even with being born on 3rd base having multiple bankruptcies and fraudulent businesses.

Your foremost example disprove s your rule.

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Express sister, at risk of a complete rehash of the Trump years, by all means lets check them out. No new wars, reduced taxes, booming ecomony (until a pandemic hit the entire planet), record low unemployment for all, peace deals between Israel and Arab nations. As so many people do, you are letting your personal animus get in the way of reality.

Trump doesn't know how to use an umbrella.

Trump didn't attend the centenary of the end of the first World War in France because he didn't want to get his hair wet.

On live TV, Trump said that people should inject themselves with disinfectant to stop Covid.

Trump spent months holding superspreader events before getting Covid himself (although, in Trump's defense, this was very funny).

He's an idiot. He's also vain and callous, but mainly he's an idiot.

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Zurconium; a ham sandwich could get elected in Alabama if they are GOP. I could also point you to Maizie Hirono of Hawaii, another person with a room temperature IQ who was somehow elected to the Senate in a deeply partisan state. But they didn't face any serious opposition. Trump did, both within the GOP and outside. The exceptions do not disprove the rule.

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Express sister, at risk of a complete rehash of the Trump years, by all means lets check them out. No new wars, reduced taxes, booming ecomony (until a pandemic hit the entire planet), record low unemployment for all, peace deals between Israel and Arab nations. As so many people do, you are letting your personal animus get in the way of reality.

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Republicans are happy to pay trillions for fake wars

Can’t really argue you on that one.

that never end and to provide give-a-ways to the very rich but for programs to help Americans who are falling behind, they block progress.

And the Dems have done exactly what to their cities and to their predominantly minority communities?

Biden is making America great again,

By increasing taxes and pushing people to run away from blue States, destroy small business?

not building fake walls,

But it’s ok for these politicians to build a fence around the Capitol to protect them, to make sure law enforcement was there to protect them, even though they’re trying to defund them, so security snd safety should be awarded to the rich elites of Washington had Hollywood only?

and the republicans who are in the pockets of the rich fight against making American great again despite the MAGA slogan. I guess when you think invading the capital building

But no mention of the 3 month summer riots and destruction across America. Will infrastructure cover the costs of rebuilding all the lost minority businesses and their communities that was destroyed by Antifa and BLM? Will the media allow those business owners to speak out to Biden, the ones that suffered so much. Why won’t they interview these people?

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by beating an experienced and intelligent opponent who had been dubbed "the most qualified person to ever run for president". Dumb people can't do that.

Yes they can because dumb people vote. Exhibit A Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. He could not name the three branches of government in the USA when asked but was elected with 60% of the vote last year. Republicans elected Sarah Palin, another one a couple of beers short of a six-pack.

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You may not like Trump, but he is a smart guy.

He really isn't. That's the exact reason his fans like him. Because he doesn't know "stuff".

Made and lost millions, made them again.

No, he mostly loses millions and then spends his times overevaluating his assets (except when the tax guy comes around, then suddenly his buildings are worthless).

Brilliant marketer and self promoter. Then, in his first political campaign he won the most important job in the world by beating an experienced and intelligent opponent who had been dubbed "the most qualified person to ever run for president". Dumb people can't do that.

Well, they apparently can, especially when facebook helps them.

As for money for Israel being infrastructure, let me explain.

No need. You're just being silly.

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Not according to Gillibrand or are liberals only able to change the definition of the word?

What are you even talking about? When has Gillibrand claimer that giving money to Israel was part of the "infrastructure"?

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You may not like Trump, but he is a smart guy.

He's actually extremely stupid. As evidence, please check his four-year term as President of the United States.

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Republicans are happy to pay trillions for fake wars that never end and to provide give-a-ways to the very rich but for programs to help Americans who are falling behind, they block progress. Biden is making America great again, not building fake walls, and the republicans who are in the pockets of the rich fight against making American great again despite the MAGA slogan. I guess when you think invading the capital building and conducting sedition is making America great again real progress is not interesting.

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You may not like Trump, but he is a smart guy. Made and lost millions, made them again. Brilliant marketer and self promoter. Then, in his first political campaign he won the most important job in the world by beating an experienced and intelligent opponent who had been dubbed "the most qualified person to ever run for president". Dumb people can't do that.

As for money for Israel being infrastructure, let me explain. If the US gives money to Israel, Israel uses it to fight terrorism. Terrorists concentrate on Israel, not the US. So, they don't come to the US to blow up bridges and power plants, which are infrastructure. So, the US doesn't have to spend money repairing them. This means money sent to Israel helps American infrastructure. Easy.

And yes, most rich people are smart. In the US at least, very few simply interited their wealth (less than 10%). Most made it themselves. Of course there may be a few exceptions, but they don't disprove the general rule.

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No it really doesn't. Money to Israel has absolutely nothing to do with making it easier for the population to work and participate in society (the "resources" in infrastructure).

Not according to Gillibrand or are liberals only able to change the definition of the word?

As usual, this is irrelevant to a Trump conservative making fun of Biden for having a list instead of commenting on the substance of the article.

Again, forget Trump, y’all got what you wanted, now please focus on old Joe, why is only 5% of that enormous stimulus going towards actual infrastructure? And don’t bring up Trump, he can’t do anything, Biden and Kamala are in charge, keep the answer focused there please.

I’ll bite, though.

Always fun when people undermine their own positions.

Undermine????? You ok? Again, you agree with Gillibrand’s definition?

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Well Joe, as I'm sure you know, the former Republican now Insurrectionist Party cares nothing about policy....

It's all just grievance and obstruction - those are the new party's core values - along with a commitment to tyranny of the minority through voting restriction and invalidation.

They'll oppose anything you put forward - and then lie about it, i.e., "only 6% is infrastructure".

They've "cancelled" their belief in democracy in the pursuit of power...

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Rich people are rich because they are smart. 

If rich people are rich because they are smart, why do they hate paying taxes so much? It seems to me that if I am so smart and rich, I could easily find a way to make even more money. No?

Rich people are rich because they find a way to exploit workers, and increasingly, laws and regulations. See the Koch brothers for example; how many billions have they spent to influence courts, universities, and politicians?

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I know deflecting and gravitating to Trump is easier than to explain Biden’s infrastructure so called ideas, but just try, try and focus on Biden, he’s the US President now

You spent half of the Trump years whining about Obama.

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According to Sen. Kirstin Gillibrand she said on April 7th the following:

Paid leave is infrastructure.

Child care is infrastructure.

Caregiving is infrastructure

In other words according to her, Joe and the DNC, infrastructure is pretty much whatever your mind wants it to be, change the definition to suit whatever fancies you

Woah, sounds like they're changing the definition to include personnel, and the things they need to keep them employed. Well, let's check the definition you provi

"the resources (such as personnel, buildings, or equipment) required for an activity," 

Oh. So the definition wasn't changed at all, according to your own citation. Oh well. Better luck next time.

Rich people are rich because they are smart. 

This isn't true.

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Rich people are rich because they are smart

Argument invalidated.

Evidence: Donald Trump

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By your definition, it seems any government spending that even peripherally can be tied in will be classified as infrastructure

No it really doesn't. Money to Israel has absolutely nothing to do with making it easier for the population to work and participate in society (the "resources" in infrastructure).

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Jsapc, if what you are saying is true, then how about we make a list of what is NOT infrastructure? By your definition, it seems any government spending that even peripherally can be tied in will be classified as infrastructure. For example:

Military spending? Infrastructure

Border wall? Infrastructure

DHS and ICE? Infrastructure

Money to Israel? Infrastructure

See, it's easy.

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but just try, try and focus on Biden, he’s the US President now

Ooh my sides!

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Trump diverted Pentagon military money intended for service people's families to build his Mexican wall.

Because safety and security was his primary goal. Ok, so now let’s focus on the current President in office. I know deflecting and gravitating to Trump is easier than to explain Biden’s infrastructure so called ideas, but just try, try and focus on Biden, he’s the US President now

I have several lists every day. Some written in my notebook others on my phone app.

Good, now do it for the current President.

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Got it, you don't want workers, the backbone of American society, to get the time off which is good for mental health, and take care of children which is the future workforce and America's future.

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Now Politically, it is often considered to refer to transportation, roads, bridges and items of that nature.

And why would you follow the "political" definition of the word and not the actual dictionary definition, which you helpfully copy-paster and even boldened? If you consider infrastructure to encompass "the resources", paid leave and child care are entirely part of it. Repairing roads and bridges is useless if the people who are supposed to use them need to stay home to watch their children or their sick parents. That's all the infrastructure of society.

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One problem of returning to those lovely high tax rates is that nobody actually paid them. Like so many Democrat ideas, it looks good on paper and gets their base excited, but does nothing to actually solve the problem. France tried this several years ago and revenue did not go up. Rich people are rich because they are smart. They are willing to pay taxes, but give them an incentive to avoid it and they will.

So how about Pres. Biden start on areas where everyone agrees (roads etc) and then later move on to the other, more controversial, parts of his plan.

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Spot on. The only retort Trump conservatives have is to try and make fun of Biden for having a list, which is both witty and incisive.

The Definition of infrastructure according to Webster is as follows: Merriam-Webster's dictionary defines infrastructure as "the system of public works of a country, state, or region," "the resources (such as personnel, buildings, or equipment) required for an activity," "the underlying foundation or basic framework (as of a system or organization)," or "the permanent installations required for military purposes."

Now Politically, it is often considered to refer to transportation, roads, bridges and items of that nature.

So what is the exact plan and money going towards, I know Biden followers believe the bulk of it is going for infrastructure, but for the rest of us that are dealing in reality 5% is going towards actual infrastructure and the other 95% is going to….

like what?….

According to Sen. Kirstin Gillibrand she said on April 7th the following:

Paid leave is infrastructure.

Child care is infrastructure.

Caregiving is infrastructure

In other words according to her, Joe and the DNC, infrastructure is pretty much whatever your mind wants it to be, change the definition to suit whatever fancies you, that means raising pigeons and playing with your cousin or having a coffee with your best friend is theoretically infrastructure. And the left call Greene insane….

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he was literally holding a list in his hand. He was so....proud. “I have here a list”. 

Do you recall the last guy often using pieces of paper as a prop? Happened a lot. I especially liked the one as he was boarding the airplane.

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Biden offers baby steps on higher corporate taxes and the republicans push back on that. If they really want to"make America great again" go back to the Eisenhower/Kennedy era of tax rates of 75% to 90% on the highest earnings and see broad-based economic growth and a burgeoning middle class.

You have my vote.

That would be a real "MAGA" platform. 50's and 60's economic policy, minus the racism and sexism, freeing up the full dynamism of the American populace. Instead the Republican platform is less of the former, more of the latter.

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If they won't roll with you, then roll over them Joe. Just like they did for the past four years.

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Biden offers baby steps on higher corporate taxes and the republicans push back on that. If they really want to"make America great again" go back to the Eisenhower/Kennedy era of tax rates of 75% to 90% on the highest earnings and see broad-based economic growth and a burgeoning middle class.

You have my vote.

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Run em down Joe.

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Good luck bro,

never mind hyper inflation, stock, crypto, and real estate bubbles.

money printing machines go whrrrrr

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Ah. Mitch, the master of obstructionism, who said

If I’m still the majority leader in the Senate think of me as the Grim Reaper. None of that stuff is going to pass.

Biden would do best by simply bypassing him.

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We would've been investing in infrastructure and education and science research at level much higher than we've seen- especially over the past 40 years. Our investments in the future of the nation basically came to a screeching halt with the Reagan administration.

Exactly. Let's "incentivize" bloated capital by taxing them at those 50's and 60's rates if they continue to hide profits in offshore tax havens, investing in stock buybacks and maximizing shareholder returns.

If they do not want to pay such high tax rates, have them have to choose to invest in research, improving infrastructure, and having a highly skilled workforce paid fair wages.

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he was literally holding a list in his hand. He was so....proud. “I have here a list”.

when a Dem can’t even get Mitt Romney or Pat Toomey support, your plan is doomed.

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Joe has a list! Which unless he is lying, he won’t use. But he has it.

“I’m not going to embarrass anyone, but I have here a list,"

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If the Republican Party had remained the party of Dwight Eisenhower over the past 60 years, along with a left of center Democratic Party, plans like what the President is proposing wouldn't be needed.

We would've been investing in infrastructure and education and science research at level much higher than we've seen- especially over the past 40 years. Our investments in the future of the nation basically came to a screeching halt with the Reagan administration. 

If that didn't happen, we'd already true high speed rail around the nation. We'd have broadband internet availability everywhere. We'd have modern school buildings everywhere. We'd have a health insurance system that actually worked to make people healthy and not the private, for-profit catastrophe we have today.

It all goes back to the Reagan years. They destroyed the role of government for the people and convinced enough Americans that it was a good thing for them. 

All Biden is trying to do is reverse that disaster and catch up with the rest of the world.

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Republican senators outlined a $928 billion infrastructure proposal Thursday as a counteroffer to Biden, drawing a fresh red line against his plans raise the corporate tax, from 21% to 28%, to pay for new spending. Instead, the Republicans want to shift unspent COVID-19 relief dollars to help cover the costs, a nonstarter for many Democrats.

Biden offers baby steps on higher corporate taxes and the republicans push back on that. If they really want to"make America great again" go back to the Eisenhower/Kennedy era of tax rates of 75% to 90% on the highest earnings and see broad-based economic growth and a burgeoning middle class.

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