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MAGMA for the rich because they need the economic assistance. Disgraceful.

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Interesting, a one sided point of view article and opinion. Sad.

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@Bass - I agree with you that the article and opinion are a bit one sided, however there is some truth to what is said here. Generally I am for tax cuts and reduced (or more efficient) government spending. The bill does favor (way too much I believe) large corporations and the wealthy and is going to hurt small businesses (especially those with "S Corporations", which are the majority of small businesses).

I would concede that some of the points in the plan are good; especially encouraging companies repatriating profits made overseas is one I think is going to help the U.S. and I think this one aspect of the plan will help create jobs.

In the end, however, I think the plan falls short in several regards as it does not simplify the tax code enough, gives too much to very large corporations and the super wealthy, and eliminating the requirement to participate in the Affordable Care Act is the wrong move (and I am against the Affordable Care Act as it has caused premiums to skyrocket).

I do not think this is a good plan.

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52 Senators, a majority of the House, the President and his Vice President, are in complete agreement in torpedoing the financial health of the American majority, blowing a hole in the federal deficit, for the sake of rewarding those who have had the good fortune to be worth a fortune. Is there a concealed hunger in America for this offensive tax legislation? The senseless smiles plastered across the self-satisfied faces of Mitch McConnell, Paul, Ryan, Donald Trump, and their ilk, are unmistakably telling. As representatives, they have misrepresented, they have lied, they have pilfered from the working class, and they couldn’t be happier. This is a tough one to swallow and harder to digest.

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@bass Interesting, a one sided point of view article and opinion. Sad.Doesnt agree with your agenda Sad.

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Interesting, a one sided point of view article and opinion. Sad.Doesnt agree with your agenda Sad.

Thanks for your concern, but the article doesn't have to agree with my point of view, I'm just saying it would be nice if JT could show an alternate opposing view. If they reversed it, it would seem you wouldn't be happy with an alternate point of view as well. Just sayin.....

52 Senators, a majority of the House, the President and his Vice President, are in complete agreement in torpedoing the financial health of the American majority, blowing a hole in the federal deficit,

But the Dems already did that with $17 Trillion why weren't you outraged over the last 8 years? Why do you not support cutting spending during those years?

for the sake of rewarding those who have had the good fortune to be worth a fortune.

Yes, the left do paint a picture of doom and gloom, but math isn't something Democrats are good at, otherwise they would have been fiscal......oh, never mind.....

Is there a concealed hunger in America for this offensive tax legislation? The senseless smiles plastered across the self-satisfied faces of Mitch McConnell, Paul, Ryan, Donald Trump, and their ilk, are unmistakably telling. As representatives, they have misrepresented, they have lied, they have pilfered from the working class, and they couldn’t be happier. This is a tough one to swallow and harder to digest.

This is a good thing down the road, they Dems did the same thing under Reagan and thank God the GOP didn't listen to the Dems then and Reagan was right.

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When you're Rich, you don't want to give away your money, when you're Poor, you wish someone would give you some, or a chance to be Rich.

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But the Dems already did that with $17 Trillion why weren't you outraged over the last 8 years? Why do you not support cutting spending during those years?

This oft-repeated falsehood is still false. The total US debt is about $19 trillion, but you seem to think it was all amassed under Obama. Only $9 trillion was added during Obama's two terms. And, we know not all of it is attributable to Obama because the bills for Bish's wars came due under Obama.

but math isn't something Democrats are good at

Says a crazy, clearly corrupt con who thinks $9 trillion equals $17 trillion. ROFL! Kuddos!

GOP didn't listen to the Dems then and Reagan was right

Not quite,

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bass4funkToday  09:12 am JST

Interesting, a one sided point of view article and opinion. Sad.

Not going to try to present another point of view? Probably just as well. "Math isn't something Democrats are good at"? Making coherent, persuasive arguments in proper English isn't something you're good at.

...thank God the GOP didn't listen to the Dems...

Hooray for the GOP, eh? Forgotten again that you supposedly hate both parties equally?

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Not going to try to present another point of view? Probably just as well. "Math isn't something Democrats are good at"? Making coherent, persuasive arguments in proper English isn't something you're good at.

What, another stupid ad hominem attack. ROFL Ok, so what else besides that do you have?

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Yesterday (Sunday) I stopped by my local public library to drop off some materials I had borrowed. It was shortly before 12:30. At the locked front door, a middle schooler was peering through the tinted glass. Her father was standing near by. She said to him:

"THe library is only open from 1;00 to 5:00 today."

"What kind of library is only open from 1:00 to 500 pm?" He replied

I jumped in "You want more library hours? Pay more taxes. And vote Democrat."

He look pissed.

What can I say? Republicans want public services, but only the ones they use and don't want to pay for it.

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This oft-repeated falsehood is still false. The total US debt is about $19 trillion, but you seem to think it was all amassed under Obama.

No, I said, he left a $17 Trillion debt.

Only $9 trillion was added during Obama's two terms.

That's the problem with the left, for them supposedly $9 Trillion is chip change. Smh. Bless them.

And, we know not all of it is attributable to Obama because the bills for Bish's wars came due under Obama.

And now Trump took over the massive $17 Trillion that Obama left.

Not quite,

Very much so.

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What, another stupid ad hominem attack

Anyone who uses phrases like "looney liberal" engages in ad hominem attacks.

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Black: Brilliant!

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And now Trump took over the massive $17 Trillion that Obama left.

So it's all Trump's fault. Thank you. At least you're finally being consistent.

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Anyone who uses phrases like "looney liberal" engages in ad hominem attacks.

So calling "Crazy, clearly corrupt conservative kittycats" that's a warm-hearted term used to describe your conservative friends?

By the way, I didn't attack Simon personally, so big difference. If he wants to talk about conservatives in general, no problem, make it personal, it becomes a problem.

So it's all Trump's fault. 

No, not at all. I just said, he's left holding Obama's ball, the same way Obama was left with GW's ball.

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No, I said, he left a $17 Trillion debt.

Nope:

But the Dems already did that with $17 Trillion why weren't you outraged over the last 8 years

Anyone can go back and read your other posts in which you blame Obama for the entire debt.

That's the problem with the left, for them supposedly $9 Trillion is chip change. Smh. Bless them

Thats the problem with the right, they constantly put words in others' mouths. Nobody ever said $9 trillion was chump change. Crazy, clearly corrupt cons, however, constantly whinge about the debt and then claim $1 trillion is chump change. ROFL. Bless them. Good lord. SMH.

And now Trump took over the massive $17 Trillion that Obama left.

So you agree that Obama wasn't responsible for that entire amount?

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So calling "Crazy, clearly corrupt conservative kittycats" that's a warm-hearted term used to describe your conservative friends?

No. Its a direct response to your constant use of disparaging terms for the left.

No, not at all. I just said, he's left holding Obama's ball, the same way Obama was left with GW's ball.

Progress!

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Nope:

Oh yes, indeed.

Anyone can go back and read your other posts in which you blame Obama for the entire debt.

For adding to it, yes, I said it!

Thats the problem with the right, they constantly put words in others' mouths.

The left made a career out of it, CNN, msnbc, NYT, Hollywood they put their foot in their mouths as well as daily making things up for the mere pleasure of clickbait.

Nobody ever said $9 trillion was chump change.

You didn't, but the Democrats for 8 years didn't care, didn't do anything or even tried to do anything about it, they were just content with the status quo of everything.

No. Its a direct response to your constant use of disparaging terms for the left.

So it's a personal ad hom attack then. Wow! Well, that clarifies a lot. LOL

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For adding to it, yes, I said it!

No, you have said multiple times:

And buried us in a $17 Trillion debt.

or things to that effect. Anyone can easily understand the implication is the democrats are responsible for the entire amount. Only after you were corrected did you start speaking accurately/claiming otherwise. Nice try. Oh my! Kuddos. ROFL.

Oh yes, indeed.

No.

The left made a career out of it, CNN, msnbc, NYT, Hollywood they put their foot in their mouths as well as daily making things up for the mere pleasure of clickbait.

Nope.

This does nothing to address the fact that Crazy, clearly corrupt cons constantly distort facts and claim other's say things that have never been said.

Google "Fox News retractions" or "Fox News truthfulness" to see how your "sources" fair.

You didn't, but the Democrats for 8 years didn't care, didn't do anything or even tried to do anything about it, they were just content with the status quo of everything.

If you say so.

So it's a personal ad hom attack then. Wow! Well, that clarifies a lot. LOL

It's using a play straight from your playbook. ROFL! I'm so rich that I'm always correct. I live in . . . wherever I need to claim to live in order to bolster my argument. Good lord. Bless them. SMH.

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Here is some light reading for anyone that would like to gain an understand of the US' debt vis-a-vis various presidents.

https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

Some posters would do well to read that before spouting off nonsense and half-truths.

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or things to that effect. Anyone can easily understand the implication is the democrats are responsible for the entire amount. Only after you were corrected did you start speaking accurately/claiming otherwise. Nice try.

Not nice try, just the facts, they didn't do anything to curtail it.

No.

They sure did.

Nope.

This does nothing to address the fact that Crazy, clearly corrupt cons constantly distort facts and claim other's say things that have never been said.

Oh, most definitely. So people are cutting their cable bill because they love to Brain or Joe and Mika go on a daily rant to the point where they have to constantly retract stories? Yes, the keystone bunch.

Google "Fox News retractions" or "Fox News truthfulness" to see how your "sources" fair.

Won't even come close to CNN or msnbc, I worked for NBC in the 90's and they were bad then, but they desperately tried to pass themselves off at least as fair and NOT liberal, but more central, yeah. LOL

Here is some light reading for anyone that would like to gain an understand of the US' debt vis-a-vis various presidents.

I read that, but I'll stick to reality, but thanks anyway.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/1/obama-presidency-to-end-with-20-trillion-national-/

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Not nice try, just the facts, they didn't do anything to curtail it.

If you say so.

Oh, most definitely. So people are cutting their cable bill because they love to Brain or Joe and Mika go on a daily rant to the point where they have to constantly retract stories? Yes, the keystone bunch.

People are cutting their cable bills because they are using the internet. Wow. Nothing gets by some posters.

Won't even come close to CNN or msnbc, I worked for NBC in the 90's

Give us the numbers then.

Youve claimed a lot of things about your personal life to bolster your arguments. It doesn't bolster your arguments. ROFL. KUDDOS.

I read that, but I'll stick to reality, but thanks anyway.

The reality that allows you to perceive the left as saying the debt wasn't $19 trillion at the end of Obama's two terms? Or the reality in which you haven't repeatedly laid the entire debt at Obama's feet?

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Not nice try, just the facts, they didn't do anything to curtail it.

Your original claim was that Obama was responsible for the entire $17 trillion debt. When called out on the inaccuracy, you changed your story saying your assertion was that the Dems did nothing to curtail the debt.

After being shown that your original claim was indeed that Obama was responsible for the entire debt, you doubled down on the assertion that Dems did nothing to curtail the debt.

It must be frustrating for certain posters to be disallowed from being dishonest.

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Most of the bill's benefits go to businesses and the wealthy, which Republicans say would goose the economy and benefit all. 

Even though there is no evidence this has ever worked, Republicans keep repeating this mantra decade after decade. I'm going to call their bluff. The GOP congress and their financial backers don't believe it works. (Just ask multimillionaires like bass how many jobs they plan on creating after this tax cut goes through.) And they don't really give a damn if it blows a hole in the deficit. What they care about is the donor class (thanks, Citizens United!). More yachts and offshore tax-free accounts to the entitlement class.

Republican leadership (if you can call it that) relies on empty beliefs and false narratives that they keep feeding the American public through propaganda outlets like Fox and Breitbart, many of whose viewers are too gullible to see through these lies. There is such a blind faith in the "magic of the marketplace" that whenever the economy tanks after GOP policies, it's easy for Republicans to blame Democrats for being "tax and spend" (another myth). Democrats then have to clean up the mess with stimulus bills, which the GOP blasts for adding to the deficit.

Still waiting to hear how bass is going to use these cuts to help supercharge the US economy. That's what trickle-down is all about, right?

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Even though there is no evidence this has ever worked, Republicans keep repeating this mantra decade after decade. I'm going to call their bluff. The GOP congress and their financial backers don't believe it works. (Just ask multimillionaires like bass how many jobs they plan on creating after this tax cut goes through.)

Well, again there are different economists that do say the opposite and I’m not a multi- millionaire, but getting there....slowly and I think it’s a good thing, but it depends on the person you’re asking. Either way, it’s going to happen, so we don’t need to crush our skulls over this.

And they don't really give a damn if it blows a hole in the deficit.

I just get a serious laugh attack when I hear a liberal utter those words. Again, the Dems didn’t care over the last 8 years leaving office with a $17 Trillion debt. So now all of a sudden they are in a panic? Dear lord....

What they care about is the donor class (thanks, Citizens United!). More yachts and offshore tax-free accounts to the entitlement class.

What? The problem with people that don’t have any money is the mental interpretation of what and how they think the affluent live. Astonishing!

Republican leadership (if you can call it that) relies on empty beliefs and false narratives that they keep feeding the American public through propaganda outlets like Fox and Breitbart, many of whose viewers are too gullible to see through these lies.

Now it’s propaganda? What nonsense. That be a loooooot of people listening to that so called propaganda and the bad thing is, the left can’t do anything about it.

There is such a blind faith in the "magic of the marketplace" that whenever the economy tanks after GOP policies, it's easy for Republicans to blame Democrats for being "tax and spend" (another myth). Democrats then have to clean up the mess with stimulus bills, which the GOP blasts for adding to the deficit.

Still waiting to hear how bass is going to use these cuts to help supercharge the US economy. That's what trickle-down is all about, right?

I won’t supercharge anything, but the Democrat solution to tax reform is.....

wait...do they have one? Oh, more income redistribution. Sounds like a winner to me. ROFL!

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Well, again there are different economists that do say the opposite and I’m not a multi- millionaire, but getting there....slowly and I think it’s a good thing, but it depends on the person you’re asking. Either way, it’s going to happen, so we don’t need to crush our skulls over this.

This reply starts off well enough, but then fails to answer the direct question asked.

Again, the Dems didn’t care over the last 8 years leaving office with a $17 Trillion debt. So now all of a sudden they are in a panic? Dear lord....

Again, this is a half-truth. My lord, ROFL. Dear lord. Kuddos.

Now it’s propaganda?

Nope. It's always been propaganda.

What nonsense. That be a loooooot of people listening to that so called propaganda and the bad thing is, the left can’t do anything about it

Just because a lot of people listen to something doesn't mean that thing isn't propaganda. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the outlets Plastic named pump out shameless propaganda.

I won’t supercharge anything, but the Democrat solution to tax reform is.....

wait...do they have one? Oh, more income redistribution. Sounds like a winner to me. ROFL!

The democrat solution to tax reform was to reduce taxes on those making less than $250k a year because those are the people that need tax relief. You see, if those people had gotten tax relief, they would spend more money, this stimulating the economy. Instead, crazy, clearly corrupt cons want to give those that don't need it tax relief. Kuddos! Good lord! SMH. LOL. What about Podesta? But Clinton wasn't manning a SAW on the roof of the embassy in Benghazi.

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CNN, on one hand, retracted its story within a day and issued an apology. The network immediately carried out an internal investigation. Three employees resigned. Those that remained were told that any future stories on the topic would need to be vetted by two top executives before publishing.

> Fox, on the other hand, took a week to retract the story, though it was debunked by other news outlets within hours. Little news of an investigation within the network emerged. No on-air apology was issued, despite a week of speculative coverage on the cable network. No employees resigned. And one of the network’s stars — Sean Hannity — continues to promote the conspiracy theory to this day.

Clearly Fox is to be trusted.

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What? The problem with people that don’t have any money is the mental interpretation of what and how they think the affluent live. Astonishing!

You're assuming that Plastic isn't rich like we are. Unfortunately for you, Plastic has more money than both of us combined. That's a lot of money considering how rich I am.

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Clearly Fox is to be trusted.

And the source site?

Nope. It's always been propaganda.

If it were, liberals in the media wouldn’t be afraid or annoyed, thank God for FNC, if it weren’t for them, we would be like back in the old days of CNN with the show Crossfire where they would dig up old Bob Novak to come out and debate a liberal and that be it. Try again. 140 million and growing love the propaganda.

Just because a lot of people listen to something doesn't mean that thing isn't propaganda. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see the outlets Plastic named pump out shameless propaganda.

I hear ya, when you have the libs fighting for the top spot and not verify sources and just jump on the tube to present something and then only to be called out, shamed and put on House Arrest or causing the market to tank 600 points shows the clear care and lack for journalistic integrity.

The democrat solution to tax reform was to reduce taxes on those making less than $250k a year because those are the people that need tax relief.

What about the 40% of Americans that don’t pay taxes? What about cutting spending? What about giving incentives to business owners? How would Democrats rebuild the private sector and stay competitive and bring jobs back to the US?

i really don’t need to hear the left bloviate, I just want to know the Democrat proposal.

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And the source site?

I would give it to you, but you wouldn't believe it. (I learned this one from you.) Try using Google yourself. This is not some mystery.

If it were, liberals in the media wouldn’t be afraid or annoyed,

This does not mean Fox is not a propaganda outlet.

Try again. 140 million and growing love the propaganda.

All this mess is that Fox is a particularly effective propaganda outlet.

I hear ya, when you have the libs fighting for the top spot and not verify sources and just jump on the tube to present something and then only to be called out, shamed and put on House Arrest or causing the market to tank 600 points shows the clear care and lack for journalistic integrity.

Fox's lukewarm retractions only occur after they are called out and shamed. Fox is only truthful 10% of the time.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/

What about the 40% of Americans that don’t pay taxes?

You mean income tax. Those 40% still pay payroll taxes.

What about cutting spending?

You mean like Trump is doing by increasing the military budget?

What about giving incentives to business owners?

Such as? I know you are going to go straight to the tax relief, but as has been amply explained, this has never worked.

How would Democrats rebuild the private sector and stay competitive and bring jobs back to the US?

You mean like Obama did after the financial crisis that occurred under Bush?

i really don’t need to hear the left bloviate, I just want to know the Democrat proposal.

Funny how you have no issue bloviating yourself.

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Again, the Dems didn’t care over the last 8 years leaving office with a $17 Trillion debt.

Two points:

1) Debt accrued specifically by Obama's policies over his 8 years in office (as calculated by the CBO) comes to $983 billion. The rest of the $9 trillion (if you measure total debt increase) is largely from reduced revenues due to GW's tax cuts and the spillover effects of the economic crash of 2008, natural and unavoidable increases in Social Security and Medicare, and the ongoing wars on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Obama policy that created the largest amount of debt on his watch was (wait for it . . .) his tax cuts. His stimulus to resuscitate the economic mess in 2009 was another. Obama also increased military spending (so much for the myth that Obama "decimated" the military).

2) Democrats controlled Congress for Obama's first two years. Congress was split during the middle four years, and controlled by Republicans for the last two. What were Republicans doing to cut the deficit?

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140 million and growing love the propaganda.

Where does that number come from? Are you suggesting 140 million people watch Fox?

You mean income tax. Those 40% still pay payroll taxes.

Not to mention that if they aren't paying income taxes, its becuase they can't- they don't have money. Good grief, how are you going to make them pay and how much do you think they can actually afford to pay?

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Still bigger than mine, I imagine.

That's OK. Size isn't everything.

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What about the 40% of Americans that don’t pay taxes?

They're ripping us off, that's what.

I say we tax people more for earning less, and less for earning more. It's my new economic theory based on incentive. People working nights at Burger King might wisen up real quick and get themselves into the oil business, or become a property developer, or investment banker.

Ever seen Glengarry Glen Ross? Now that's the way to run an economy.

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People working nights at Burger King might wisen up real quick and get themselves into the oil business, or become a property developer, or investment banker.

Agreed. Damn them for not having chosen their parents well.

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Most of the bill's benefits go to businesses and the wealthy, which Republicans say would goose the economy and benefit all.

FYI, trickle down economics doesn't exist in any economics book. It was something created entirely by the Republican Party.

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trickle down economics doesn't exist in any economics book. It was something created entirely by the Republican Party.

It exists in the books as a theory almost no serious economist espouses. Arthur Laffer invented this crap. Supply-side economics. Started under Reagan. Continues under Trump. Has never worked (at least not for the common folk).

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If they reversed it, it would seem you wouldn't be happy with an alternate point of view as well. Just sayin.....

heres another point of view on the tax cuts

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/tax-bill-deficits.html

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I would give it to you, but you wouldn't believe it.

You never know, try me. I’m open- minded, I’m not a liberal.

This does not mean Fox is not a propaganda outlet.

Doesnt mean at all that it is.

Fox's lukewarm retractions only occur after they are called out and shamed. Fox is only truthful 10% of the time.

To the blind and one sided thinking liberal bias bunch, you may be right.

You mean like Trump is doing by increasing the military budget?

Yes, indeed!!!!! If I wanted to be like Denmark, I would move there, but I sleep better with a powerful military.

Such as? I know you are going to go straight to the tax relief.

Yes and they do work, how about cutting spending.

You mean like Obama did after the financial crisis that occurred under Bush?

Like what how many private sector jobs were created and what were they exactly?

2) Democrats controlled Congress for Obama's first two years. Congress was split during the middle four years, and controlled by Republicans for the last two. What were Republicans doing to cut the deficit?

That did not stop the Democrats when they controlled the Senate from going on a spending spree. The Democrats really have some nerve to talk about this Congress adding $1 Trillion to the deficit when they added $10 Trillion at that time they didn’t care, didn’t want to talk about it, didn’t want to deal or work with the GOP UNLESS it was completely on their terms and that weasel Reed would never allow any GOP legislative bill to go through the House were about 352 so if Reid hadn't purposely threw bananas in the way to trip up the Republicans and work with them NOT only in a bipartisan way, but to allow for some conservative ideas to come to the floor, but then again, we are talking about Reid. I still remember that beating he got. Slipped and hurt his eye, Yeah, right.

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Like what how many private sector jobs were created and what were they exactly?

Yawn. The exact same jobs created by the "Trump economy. How many private sector jobs were created and what were they exactly? The way employment figures are collected and calculated didn't change with the administration.

Cliff notes: You don't know and you're too lazy to find out.

Still waiting Bassy: How are you going to make the working poor pay income taxes, and how much do you think they'll pay?

Hint: Poor people are poor. It is not only cowardly, but ultimately unprofitable, to pay on them.

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A majority of Americans think the temporary tax cuts favor the rich.

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Yawn. The exact same jobs created by the "Trump economy.

Trump's been on the job for a year. Give it 8 years and then we can compare, now let's try this once again, how many private sector jobs did the last admin. create? Just answer the question that I asked first, please.

ROFL. You're so open-minded that you constantly rail in liberals and reject their views out of hand. Additionally, you never question Trumo and think Fox is gospel.

No, I have a lot of liberal friends that we can talk and disagree with, but they're not Kool aid drinkers. And of course I criticize Trump on things that I think he's wrong and I have before.

If that's the euphemism you want to use for those that accept verified facts.

The same goes for you. Just because multiple sources are verified doesn't mean that YOUR sources or even mine are correct. They are verified by professionals and it depends on which verification you want to go with or choose to believe more in.

Only according to your personal anecdotes, which have no weight in an argument.

I do, but it depends on where you fall on, I believe the opposite about a lot of libs, we just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Like for the military?

Some things, sure, but modernization and buildup, No.

144,000 last December. In 8 years of Obama, 11.2 million non-farm jobs were added. This number factors in the decrease of 354,000 public jobs. For a "journalist," you sure have a lot of difficulty with research.

Now let's see this on a micro level...

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/how-good-is-job-growth-the-chart-obama-doesnt-want-you-to-see/

What's missing, however, is context. Because when you look at these numbers in context, not only do the exclamation points disappear, but so do any claims of robust job growth under this administration.

Take that 14.4 million job growth number. That sounds impressive doesn't it? But that job growth is stretched over almost six full years, during which time the working age population grew by 15.8 million.

In that respect, we've lost ground on jobs under Obama.

You mean like the GOP doing everything it could to obstruct Obama? Judge Garland ring any bells? Any?

The difference is, the GOP wanted to work with Obama, but it was ONLY on his terms, with Trump, the Dems Don't want to work with him at all.

I'm certain you know Reid was battered from one of your sources or contacts.

Probably from someone he really ticked off.

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No, I have a lot of liberal friends that we can talk and disagree with, but they're not Kool aid drinkers. And of course I criticize Trump on things that I think he's wrong and I have before.

It was Flavor Aid.

Please provide examples when you have criticized Trump.

The same goes for you. Just because multiple sources are verified doesn't mean that YOUR sources or even mine are correct. They are verified by professionals and it depends on which verification you want to go with or choose to believe more in.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. However, my sources are peer-reviewed.

I do, but it depends on where you fall on, I believe the opposite about a lot of libs, we just have to agree to disagree on that one.

Again, I cannot understand this.

Some things, sure, but modernization and buildup, No.

So cutting spending is only important/critical when you personally disagree with what is being funded.

Now let's see this on a micro level...

Typical. Give me examples of job growth under Obama.

Okay, here are the numbers.

Those numbers aren't accurate. Just look at this opinion article!

The difference is, the GOP wanted to work with Obama, but it was ONLY on his terms, with Trump, the Dems Don't want to work with him at all.

Ummm . . . ROFL! Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Obama: Here is my nominee for SCOTUS. Repubes: You only have just under a year left in office. We refuse to do our duties as outlined in the constitution! Kuddos!

I'm certain you know Reid was battered from one of your sources or contacts. 

Probably from someone he really ticked off.

Nice. You know the person that assaulted and battered Reid. A good citizen would report this violence to the proper authorities. Or, do you agree with violence as long as it is directed against a liberal?

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Take that 14.4 million job growth number. That sounds impressive doesn't it? But that job growth is stretched over almost six full years, during which time the working age population grew by 15.8 million.

The number of people available to work has no bearing on the number of jobs created. It does have a bearing on the number of jobs needed.

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It was Flavor Aid.

Please provide examples when you have criticized Trump.

It’s the same thing, artificial drank and that’s how and what we call it historically.

The Billy Bush tape, I criticized some of his unnecessary tweeting when it didn’t serve him well.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. However, my sources are peer-reviewed.

I don’t think so. I disagree. We just have a disagreement.

Typical. Give me examples of job growth under Obama.

Okay, here are the numbers.

Those numbers aren't accurate. Just look at this opinion article!

If you think. So in 8 years what private sector jobs did he create specifically?

Ummm . . . ROFL! Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Obama: Here is my nominee for SCOTUS. Repubes: You only have just under a year left in office. We refuse to do our duties as outlined in the constitution! Kuddos!

Which was their right, if it were the opposite, the Dems would never appoint a possible conservative to the bench, never. So it was within the GOPs constitutional right to not hold any hearings on any Democrat nominee.

Nice. You know the person that assaulted and battered Reid. A good citizen would report this violence to the proper authorities. Or, do you agree with violence as long as it is directed against a liberal?

No, not at all, but if anyone was more deserving of a tap, it was definitely Reid.

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It’s the same thing, artificial drank and that’s how and what we call it historically.

It isn't the same thing. Just because a fallacy is historically promoted doesn't make it correct.

The Billy Bush tape, I criticized some of his unnecessary tweeting when it didn’t serve him well.

Thanks.

I don’t think so. I disagree. We just have a disagreement. 

Okay. That said, it is quite easy to determine whether something, like my sources, are peer reviewed. But, please continue to live in that bubble where what you disagree with is incorrect simply because you disagree with it.

If you think. So in 8 years what private sector jobs did he create specifically?

That information is almost impossible to determine because it's not how job growth is reported.

So it was within the GOPs constitutional right to not hold any hearings on any Democrat nominee

Plwase cite the constitutional provision that grants the Senate this right, or the case law that does.

Even if it was the Senate's "right," which it was not, it is a perfect example of GOP obstructionism, Yoy know, the original issue we were debating.

No, not at all, but if anyone was more deserving of a tap, it was definitely Reid.

This means you are promoting violence against those you disagree with. Repugnant.

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Just going to gloss over this?

The number of people available to work has no bearing on the number of jobs created. It does have a bearing on the number of jobs needed.

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It isn't the same thing.

They were both artificial drink essentialy the same, it was laced with poison, doesn’t matter, people died as a result.

Okay.

Thanks.

That information is almost impossible to determine because it's not how job growth is reported.

Can you just answer my question, please. You made the accusation, so I just want to know where and in which area.

Plwase cite the constitutional provision that grants the Senate this right, or the case law that does.

Even if it was the Senate's "right," which it was not, it is a perfect example of GOP obstructionism,

https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://search.yahoo.co.jp/&httpsredir=1&article=2980&context=faculty_publications

This means you are promoting violence against those you disagree with. Repugnant

I’m not promoting anything and I wouldn’t call for it, personally, but as an outsider looking in, I’m just saying if anyone deserves a tap, it was Reid.

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Can you just answer my question, please. You made the accusation, so I just want to know where and in which area

You made the accusation that job growth was weak under Obama. I corrected you with the best evidence available.

How about you provide the same type of information you are requesting for jobs under Trump?

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You made the accusation that job growth was weak under Obama. I corrected you with the best evidence available.

I also showed you an investors report that said the complete opposite and many or our portfolios weren’t looking as good then as they are now.

How about you provide the same type of information you are requesting for jobs under Trump?

The United States has added 1.07 million jobs during Trump’s six months in office. Of course, he isn’t entirely responsible for the job market. A slew of factors throughout the economy affect hiring decisions.

July’s job gains came across the board. Restaurants and bars added 53,000 employees. Health care gained 39,000 new positions. Manufacturing firms hired 16,000 workers. Business services and mining were also among the gainers.

More Americans who were on the sidelines jumped back into the job market in July to look for work. Experts say that as unemployment stays low and wage growth remains steady, more Americans should start looking for work again.

companies like Toyota and Mazda announced a plan to invest $1.6 billion in a U.S. factory, in a state yet to be named. This is expected to create 4,000 jobs. Last month, Apple supplier Foxconn agreed to open a factory in Wisconsin, which is expected to generate 3,000 jobs and the company indicated that number could grow.

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I also showed you an investors report that said the complete opposite and many or our portfolios weren’t looking as good then as they are now.

You provided an opinion piece in response to the information I provided. Again, your personal anecdotes do not bolster your arguments.

President Obama has been great for the health care sector. Nearly 2.9 million job gains have come in the health care sector alone. It's a mixed bag in terms of "good jobs." Doctors, dentists and nurses are typically paid well, but home health aides aren't

A scan across the other big job creators reveals a similar story: There's been a 1.4 million surge in "professional services" (aka white-collar jobs in offices) that pay well. On the other hand, administrative assistants and restaurant jobs that tend to pay poorly have also grown a lot.

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You provided an opinion piece in response to the information I provided. Again, your personal anecdotes do not bolster your arguments.

Thats your way of seeing it as well, we just have a difference of opinion, we’re not going to agree and that’s ok.

President Obama has been great for the health care sector.

Fiscally, not at all.

Nearly 2.9 million job gains have come in the health care sector alone. It's a mixed bag in terms of "good jobs." Doctors, dentists and nurses are typically paid well, but home health aides aren't.

Yes, that’s the healthcare, And many more left the exchanges.The economy can’t gro by doctors,so wherein the private industry did Obama make a huge impact where you saw substantial job continued job growth?

A scan across the other big job creators reveals a similar story: There's been a 1.4 million surge in "professional services" (aka white-collar jobs in offices) that pay well.

Like what,which major company?

On the other hand, administrative assistants and restaurant jobs that tend to pay poorly have also grown a lot.

Like in Washington State where they wanted a wage increase, but lost out because the increase killed payroll and that State saw massive layoffs because of the pay raises which led to the increase of food items passed back to the customers

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How to write a news article about a Trump policy:

Decide that the policy is bad

Pick and choose points to make the policy look bad

I don't really like Trump either, but I've pretty much stopped taking news outlets seriously, as so many of them seem more driven by their journalists' hatred of Trump then they are by telling me the news.

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A simple polarisation between the haves and have nots. if you make alot of money from hard work-sweat and tears, then you hate paying high taxes.  if you are a useless unlucky teet, then you wanna free lunch 'til your sixty five...people who are vehemently opposed to capitalism should revisit and reevaluate their socialist values...or put their money where their mouths are and go marry some poor Siberian woman...and stay over there!  Seems to be a lot of left learners on this site...down voting...you really and truly think you are unmistakenly correct about everything, right?

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The Democrats really have some nerve to talk about this Congress adding $1 Trillion to the deficit  oh you mean the multi $Trillion wars that Bush started on a lie and the $800billion + GFC and auto industry bailouts that Bush lumped on the US taxpayers . All of which was left for Obama to clean up

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The Democrats really have some nerve to talk about this Congress adding $1 Trillion to the deficit   oh you mean the multi $Trillion wars that Bush started on a lie and the $800billion + GFC and auto industry bailouts that Bush lumped on the US taxpayers . All of which was left for Obama to clean up

And the war in Afghanistan that Obama pushed for, launching the ACA increased entitlements 3 fold and increased unemployment as well as welfare higher than almost any other president and added over $10 Trillion to the deficit.

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USA continues to crater under its debts and miscreants

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