Growing caravan of migrants pushes deeper into Mexico

Another reason every US voter should get out and vote Republicans in the Midterms.

Can't believe there are parents out here irresponsible enough to put their kids in harm's way and bring them along to break the law. These people should not be helped they should be punished. Despicable parenting..

The Vandals are at the gates!!! It's the end of the Empire.

Mexican President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador suggested Sunday that the United States, Canada and Mexico work out a joint plan for funding development in the poor areas of Central America and southern Mexico. "In this way we confront the phenomenon of migration, because he who leaves his town does not leave for pleasure but out of necessity," said Lopez Obrador, who takes office Dec. 1.

Seems to be the least-bad solution, not only in the Americas but also in other parts of the world (Europe/Africa is just as bad if not worse).

Human migration will be a defining issue of the next 50 years. Japan, Oz, NZ and other isolated yet rich island nations dunno how lucky they are (plus Asia is a much more stable region).

I'd hate to be a politician who has to decide issues like these. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I feel sympathy for those wanting to escape the mess their own country is in to live in a better country, especially for their children's sake. Nevertheless, I believe the U.S. must insist on legal immigration. There's no way around it. So they have to refuse them, albeit sympathetically.

The best long term solution is for the Honduran people themselves to raise the standard of living in their own country with the help of more developed countries. That would be great.

Concerned, I agree. Wouldn't it be nice if we had an administration that could both help solve Central America's problems and get along with Mexico enough to help deal with the diaspora? Trump blaming on Dems is inane. Which party is in power? - and yet they come.

Countries with a high standard of living have achieved it by dint of hard work and using their brains. They shouldn't have to share their gains with the feckless and improvident.

This is a difficult situation. I am sympathetic to many migrants, and definitely do not support Trump's immigration strategy. However, all nations do have the right to determine who gets to enter and stay in their country. The reasoning these people have is their countries are essentially failed states that provide no opportunity, are full of violence and corruption is compelling. However, mass migration is not a solution. We need a more strategic plan to work with those nations to improve the lives of their population. It won't be easy.

Countries with a high standard of living have achieved it by dint of hard work and using their brains. They shouldn't have to share their gains with the feckless and improvident.

That's a huge assumption that poor countries are poor because the citizens are "feckless and improvident." It couldn't be because historically the rich countries raped and pillaged the poor countries, could it?

Conservatives are hilarious in their myopic, oversimplified views. Their simplistic world view is even funnier in the context of the untethered from reality conspiracy theories they push.

Can't believe there are parents out here irresponsible enough to put their kids in harm's way and bring them along to break the law. These people should not be helped they should be punished. Despicable parenting..

The horror of parents wanting better lives for their children! The horror!

@Cricky

"The Vandals are at the gates!!! It's the end of the Empire."

Plus the clown has his hand on the controls.

I'm really wondering if this is some kind of political stunt or not. Just a few basic questions;

a/ where do they sleep

b/ what are they eating? 4000 people need a LOT of calories

c/ who is providing water? see above re calories

d/ where are they "toiletting"? again, 4000 bums will create an unholy environmental catastrophe

They can stay in Mexico if they are true asylum seekers.

Attilathehungry

Good questions! It's also a very loooong walk. Over 2700 km's to Laredo. The article quotes a 52 year old single mother of 3. How in the world can they survive such an arduous trek? Something doesn't sound right.

Anyone with answers?

Latin American countries are extremely catholic, so it could be Catholics actually practicing what Jesus preached (hard to believe, I know) and providing these people with food.

Chip Star:

Possibly. But how about the logistics of toilets use, waste disposal, sleeping etc? Attilathehungry's questions got me wondering how in the world 5000 men, women and children could possibly make such a trek? It seems to defy logic.

Who is organizing this? I can't believe this is a spontaneous movement.

We don't want to be separated.

Hmmm, who made her say that?

(plus Asia is a much more stable region).

Um, North Korea? Myanmar? Afghanistan?

Help wanted, well there it is. Clinton didn't have to give the US manufacturing market to China when he had the laborers in the backyard.

Possibly. But how about the logistics of toilets use, waste disposal, sleeping etc? Attilathehungry's questions got me wondering how in the world 5000 men, women and children could possibly make such a trek? It seems to defy logic.

Agreed. That said, desperate people are capable of amazing feats. Look what some American service members do that earns them Congressional Medals of Honor. Their actions defy logic.

Who is organizing this? I can't believe this is a spontaneous movement

Fair enough that you cannot believe this is spontaneous. However, just because people can't believe something, doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.

Don't need these people adding to the homeless and jobless in the USA nor clogging up the social and medical services.

More logistics;

Imagine that 1/4 of the migrants are children/babies. Anyone who has been a parent knows that kids, especially infants, need a LOT of gear. Diapers, food, paper products, etc. Where is it all coming from? Not to mention the sanitation/public health nightmare this could be.

4,000 people = 12,000 meals a day / 1 kg each meal = 12,000 kg of food

4,000 people = 48,000 litres of water per day

4,000 people = 2-3 tons of human 'waste' per day

Sorry, just can't see this as spontaneous.

Attila: Your'e assuming three meals a day and proper nutritional intake. Those are huge assumptions.

Who do you think organized this?

Any time there is war or famine or disasters both natural and man made there is inevitably an exodus of people. Europe has seen it during two world wars. Africa has seen it during civil wars, severe drought and famine and lawlessness. South American countries are having issues with severe unemployment and crashing societies like Venezuela. Those nearest the disaster deal with the bulk of the issue in comparison to nations further away. That many on the same landmass head to the US should shock nobody. That many will continue on to Canada should also be evident.

Should a disaster in the US necessitate a mass movement of people to either Canada or Mexico and through them to other nations, You can expect the US to demand this be allowed and supported. Why should it be any different if it is the other way around? Grant two to five year working visa's and help their home country stabilize so they can return. If we don't help each other during a time of need then perhaps we are not as enlightened or civilized as we assume we are. Working together lightens the load and speeds up the work.

Just a thought.

Those who are in favor of unrestricted/unlimited numbers of refugees are only so because they aren't themselves inconvenienced or paying the bills. It's easy to be generous with other peoples money.

Um, North Korea? Myanmar? Afghanistan?

Not saying Asia doesn't have its own issues but in terms of political instability, insecurity, corruption etc (all factors influencing migration) the situation is much, much worse in Africa and central America.

Considering the enormity of the task to make it to the U.S. in spite of the huge challenges involved, I'd say the U.S. should just about let them in as a reward for thier courage and guts! Maybe the country could use determined people like that.

Considering the enormity of the task to make it to the U.S. in spite of the huge challenges involved, I'd say the U.S. should just about let them in as a reward for thier courage and guts! Maybe the country could use determined people like that.

I'm on board with considering this.

I appreciate you engaging in civil discourse, for what it's worth.

As for who is financing/organizing/supporting the whole event, that's a very good question. I don't think I'm ready to go full on tinfoil hat and scream SOROS yet. But... it's hard to believe that this is a spontaneous grassroots movement either.

I've heard the name "Pueblo Sin Fronteras" bandied about, gonna look into who funds THEM and follow the money trail. But thinking even $5 a day per person, you are looking at $20,000 per day in costs for the whole group.

 I don't think I'm ready to go full on tinfoil hat and scream SOROS yet.

This is reassuring.

But... it's hard to believe that this is a spontaneous grassroots movement either.

Healthy scepticism is good.

In God we trust, not so much the teachings of his son, but big fans none the less. If it suits us.

"The posters on here who are in favor of these invaders, I trust you are prepared to fund them?"

Nah, they want the taxpayers to fund them.

Today there are 5,000 coming, if they are not stopped, soon there will be 5,000,000. Fortunately...

Republicans control the House, Senate, White House, and many State legislatures.

Where is the wall with Mexico that Mexico was supposed to pay for?

Where is their proposal for immigration reform?

Where is Trump's "much better and cheaper" national health care plan?

Why is our deficit and national debt ballooning when our economy is booming?

A country built by immigrants... is scared of immigrants!?! Huh? What a complete dog whistle. Do you snap your heels when he speaks too?

Don’t the Mexican government have any control in their own country? Oh sorry, forgot the answer is no.

Can't believe there are parents out here irresponsible enough to put their kids in harm's way and bring them along to break the law. 

Really? Considering the millions of illegal kids that have grown up in the US + the overwhelming, record numbers coming in every day and from various news reports the administration's decision to pause the practice of separating families is one of the reasons they decided to cross the border now.

Wait a minute, the No1 economy in the WHOLE World based on freedom and justice for all, can't afford to help 5,000 people? Then again can't give health care to citizens either so....best live in a lower grade economy. Maybe they are on their way to Canada, or Iceland. Barbados looks nice.

If there were to seriously happen, 50,000 people massing to mob the border, I doubt any voter will object to Trump closing the border, deploying troops to secure it, and demanding Congress immediately authorize funds for the wall.

Mexican President-elect Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador suggested Sunday that the United States, Canada and Mexico work out a joint plan for funding development in the poor areas of Central America and southern Mexico.

Amazing - A President that actually is making a well thought out policy solution. We're not used to that in America (at least not since 2016). We get hate, demonization, scapegoating, and just general incomprehensible nonsense from our President.

And what is it with the Trumpsters here urging violence against these families? If they don't qualify for legal immigration, respectfully tell them so. They're fleeing governments that can't protect then, can't get them jobs, can't get them food - they're just trying to find somewhere safe. Maybe they don't quality for entry into the US - but true Americans understand their plight and offer them encouragement, perhaps somewhere else.

This reflex to use violation is another example of Trumpsters not being true conservatives. They're members of the cult of Trump, and are as brainwashed as the followers of Jim Jones or Shoko Asahara.

"I'd say the U.S. should just about let them in as a reward for thier courage and guts!"

A lot of legal immigrants who waited for years to get in disagree.

"And what is it with the Trumpsters here urging violence against these families? If they don't qualify for legal immigration, respectfully tell them so."

As they're running across the border, lincoln?

Justice Jeanine Pirro is right on the mark here - oh my...

'This Is Not a Right or Left Issue': Pirro Echoes Trump's Threat of Military to Stop Migrant Caravan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpg2w-wvN_0

something about this is extremely fishy.

the logistics involved in maintaining such a large group travelling is staggerring, as has been pointed out already.

And the suggestion that Catholic charity is taking care of it is disingenuous and ridiculous.

As they're running across the border, lincoln?

If there is insufficient ICE personnel to perform this mission, maybe the Republican Congress should appropriate them more money, or has that money already been given to the 1% in tax breaks? Maybe they can break some loose when they gut Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security as McConnell recently let on.

Justice Jeanine Pirro is right on the mark here - oh my...

You want me to listen to this alt-right nut? I wouldn't pollute my brain listening to her, Hannity, Carlson or any of the other crazy Faux News asylum dwellers. Actually they're not crazy, they just making big bucks trafficking in these alt-right Putin authored conspiracy theories, and then sell books. The people that watch this trash and buy the books, those folks are real crazy...

This is a difficult situation. I am sympathetic to many migrants, and definitely do not support Trump's immigration strategy. 

I have sympathy for these people, but I have even more sympathy for the thousands of homeless Americans that are on the street starving, forgotten and have No place to go. I think this situation is getting out of control and we can’t and we shouldn’t just blindly take in thousands of people whenever the cases arises. It should be either merit based or case by case, at this rate, then everyone can come anytime and flee their countries, there won’t be anyone left, why not send the military into those countries and establish marital law and order? Help stabilize these countries and then send these people back.

However, all nations do have the right to determine who gets to enter and stay in their country. The reasoning these people have is their countries are essentially failed states that provide no opportunity, are full of violence and corruption is compelling. 

I think Mexico has enough land and resources to take in a lot of these migrants. Not only can they do it, but they also share a common language and culture, so it would be better for them theoretically.

However, mass migration is not a solution. We need a more strategic plan to work with those nations to improve the lives of their population. It won't be easy.

Now that is something I agree with 100%.

So this 2000 mile walk that should take 200 days for healthy young adult males will get the caravan to the US border when?

Prior to the midterm elections in 14 days, you say? But of course no one funding them and women and children are walking the entire way, right? Things that make you go hmmm.

Put the blame on these jerks who keep voting for the left in Latin America. Also, the Democrats have a good share of this, for their steady support to the likes of Maduro, Morales. It was Obama who said proudly to now incarcerated for corruption Lula “you are THE guy”, a sentence that many took as a blank check US handed to the corrupt former President

Sen. Scalise or like Rand Paul’s neighbor

That's Scalise and Paul's fault. Not the Liberals.

Most of the Latin America countries - especially in Central America - were the cold war playground between USA and URSS. With both of them supporting government or guerrilla or vice versa.

Add a colonial background with lack of education and huge inequalities and you end up to this situation.

USA has been part of the issue, it cannot solve it alone but should be part of the solution.

Why is the Trump administration unable to deal with asylum seekers? No other administration has ever had a problem.

There is always the argument that the suffering, poor and homeless citizens should come first.

But the same people who are against hopeless immigrants are as well against anything to relieve their own compatriots like universal healthcare and so on.

None can solve this issue alone but please no more of these obscene arguments to justify doing nothing.

@chip star

Look what some American service members do that earns them Congressional Medals of Honor.

Please don't try to compare the sacrifices of our service members to illegal immigrants looking for a free ride in the USA. There is no comparison.

Thousands of Honduran migrants hoping to reach the U.S. stretched out on rain-soaked sidewalks, benches and public plazas in the southern Mexico city of Tapachula, worn down by another day's march under a blazing sun.

Thousands of illegal aliens have illegally entered Mexico. Again. Mexico wasn't prepared for the last invasion by a mob of illegal aliens crossing it's southern border. This time they met the illegal alien invaders at the border.

With the amount of people coming, it’s going to definitely wake up and further energize the right.

Don't bow to pressure, CLOSE THE BORDER!! This is a National emergency!

@yakyak Don't bow to pressure, CLOSE THE BORDER!! This is a National emergency!

The above a HYSTERICAL response typical of those circulated by employees of the Internet Research Agency and other ultra-rightwing fear mongering organizations.

It's aimed at xenophobes. The intent to make them fear even more, making them look to big brother in DC to save them, while also furthering the divides among 'western' people.

These people have been duped into thinking that the USA is a free ride.

Nowhere does it say that the USA is a free country

The USA was settled and founded by immigrants or descendants of immigrants but that was a long time ago when the USA needed people to work and contribute.

Today although there is plenty of open land in the middle of nowhere, the cities are full and the infrastructure is crumbling.

Why don't the people in this travelling hoard stop in a catholic and Spanish speaking country like Mexico where they will be more accepted.

Their children have to attend schools and when they don't speak English a translator who has educational experience must work in every classroom and who pays for that. I don't want to pay.

Stay in Honduras and make your country a better place through your own means instead of invading, yes I said invading my country where I pay taxes, abide by the laws and contribute (not suck the resources) of the general economy and welfare system.

My J-wife and our children had to process paperwork, spend thousands of US dollars, visits to the Tokyo US embassy a great distance from our home, have medical and background checks to legitimize their visas yet these people think that they can just walk across the USA border and start collecting money, food, medical and housing from my taxes.

Please turn around and go fix your country instead of destroying mine!

Please don't try to compare the sacrifices of our service members to illegal immigrants looking for a free ride in the USA. There is no comparison.

Are you seriously claiming the heroic actions of Medal of Honor recipients doesn't defy logic? Wow.

These people haven't even reached the border, which means you have know way of knowing whether they will be documented or undocumented immigrants. An element of being an undocumented immigrant is having actually immigrated. People must be within the borders of the US to be an immigrant thereto.

The above a HYSTERICAL response typical of those circulated by employees of the Internet Research Agency and other ultra-rightwing fear mongering organizations. 

It's aimed at xenophobes. The intent to make them fear even more, making them look to big brother in DC to save them, while also furthering the divides among 'western' people.

That is incorrect! The only way to change the immigration policies of the USA is to loudly close the border. This will send a signal to all the other countries that are letting their people do whatever they want to maybe think twice about what their policies are towards the US. Democrats and Republicans have for years turned their back on this problem and Donald Trump was elected to repair it. Closing the border has nothing to do with xenophobia, it is just the beginning of proper immigration reforms for the country, so people can come in legally with a chance to build a better life for themselves.

Children born to American citizens are American citizens and do not need visas to enter the US. Japanese spouses, however do. If you can read, you can easily prosecute your spouse's visa. No need to pay thousands of dollars.

As for these people making their own country a better place, it sure sounds inspirational. Do the countries that raped and pillaged their countries of origin bear any responsibility for assisting in making those places better?

Are you seriously claiming the heroic actions of Medal of Honor recipients doesn't defy logic? Wow.

Yes, as a veteran I am saying heroic actions don't defy logic. Are you seriously saying it is illogical to act to save men around you from harm if you have the ability? WOW.

I am saying that Medal of Honor recipients were running towards problems. Illegal immigrants are running away from them. Imagine if that horde of thousands of illegal immigrants were marching on their capitol instead of fleeing from it.

Imagine if that horde of thousands of illegal immigrants were marching on their capitol instead of fleeing from it.

I can imagine that, and what I imagine is seeing the marchers mowed down by the capitol's forces.

I am NOT defending illegal immigration.

But with just a modicum of sense of what life must be like for millions (billions?) of people living in oppressive states, I believe most see fighting their state as futile, a death wish. I can understand their desire to better their situation.

How many of the states people are fleeing have government leaders financed by the US, funded to ensure they pledge some form of allegiance to the US and its corporations in that country?

If you're a US American, why did your ancestors come to the US? How many came fleeing oppresive states?

It's interesting so many Americans have lost faith in their government's ability to defend them and are arguing for an even stronger police state. Trump the despot's keeping fear alive as he and his ruling class mates seize greater control.

Google United Fruit.

Yes, as a veteran I am saying heroic actions don't defy logic. Are you seriously saying it is illogical to act to save men around you from harm if you have the ability? WOW.

You aren't the only veteran.

Yes, I am saying it is illogical. That does not mean it's not extremely admirable or to be discouraged or frowned upon in any way shape or form. Survival instinct gets the better of most people and they see that to survive, they should hunker down or gtfo, which is why there are so few medals of honor handed out.

I am saying that Medal of Honor recipients were running towards problems. Illegal immigrants are running away from them. Imagine if that horde of thousands of illegal immigrants were marching on their capitol instead of fleeing from it.

You are arguing a different point here. Try putting my comment back into context, it will help you see this is a completely different issue.

Again, they cannot be documented or undocumented immigrants until they are within the borders of the US, which they aren't. Set aside your emotions for a moment and approach this in a mature manner.

I am NOT defending illegal immigration.

And neither am I. I am insisting on facts and accuracy.

@nishikat

What's your problem? Chip Star brought the military into this topic and as a veteran I have knowledge of it. I'm sorry that you are apparently insulted by that fact for some reason.

Yes, I am saying it is illogical. That does not mean it's not extremely admirable or to be discouraged or frowned upon in any way shape or form. Survival instinct gets the better of most people and they see that to survive, they should hunker down or gtfo, which is why there are so few medals of honor handed out.

Resisting your survival instinct isn't illogical. It is completely logical to do what they did, to accomplish a mission no matter what the stakes or to save others lives without regards to your own. It just takes immense courage above and beyond the norm. THAT is why so few CMHs are handed out. Not because the recipients act illogically but because they put themselves above their peers. How is that illogical? It's not. Illegal immigrants and CMH recipients have absolutely nothing in common except that they are human beings.

You aren't going to change my mind on this one.

Your Schroedinger's Cat immigration logic is just silly. They aren't documented or undocumented until they immigrate... A small handful of these immigrants might qualify for legal immigration status. Do you think the rest are just going to shrug their shoulders and head back home? No, they will try to sneak across the border. It is a very safe assumption that the majority of these people fully intend to become illegal immigrants. I know you want to believe otherwise but it's just true.

I want to say I'm from Los Angeles and dealt with more than my share of it, but I'm afraid I might offend nishikat again if I claim anything else.

If you're a US American, why did your ancestors come to the US? How many came fleeing oppresive states?

My ancestors came through Ellis Island. My grandmother was escaping the Nazis. I'd say that was a pretty oppressive state right there. And she still came here legally.

@chipstar

I have been going to Japan and probably lived in Japan for a long time before you became of legal age. My j-wife and our children had to go through background checks and medical tests before they could enter the USA 20 years ago. You are misinformed and i have all the visa's, paperwork and receipts to back up my claim. In any case these Honduran masses have no legal right to walk into the USA without due process and a visa. If you are a citizen of the USA, why not empty you bank accounts and pay all your taxes to people that don't give a darn about you or your concessions. I wish them all well but not on my watch.

In any case these Honduran masses have no legal right to walk into the USA without due process and a visa.

The US is a signatory of the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. Migrants have the right to request asylum in the US.

Trump can't turn them back, it's wouldn't be legal. And we all know how he's a law-abiding, reasonable, rational gentleman.

I wish them all well but not on my watch.

Not sure what this means - are you part of a border control?

@toasted heratic,

Yes they can ask for asylum but i have seen no evidence of that so far. Why don't you join that procession and donate all your money to the cause instead of posting garbage about rights here. Yes they deserve due process but not a free pass into my country.

You aren't going to change my mind on this one.

Fair enough.

Your Schroedinger's Cat immigration logic is just silly. They aren't documented or undocumented until they immigrate

If you want to call reality and facts silly, okay.

It is a very safe assumption that the majority of these people fully intend to become illegal immigrants. I know you want to believe otherwise but it's just true.

Assumptions aren't facts, no matter how safe.

I have been going to Japan and probably lived in Japan for a long time before you became of legal age.

This is an incorrect assumption.

My j-wife and our children had to go through background checks and medical tests before they could enter the USA 20 years ago.

You are misinformed and i have all the visa's, paperwork and receipts to back up my claim*

Five words for you: I am an immigration lawyer.

Are they are aware of the reality of life for most people in the US?

Sure they will have seen the posters and the movies, and the various tv series etc., and they will be full of hope for a paradise ahead, but have they seen the slums and the downtown wastelands and the rural poverty and the drugs and the gang violence and the lack of a social security net meaning that people can just die on the street corner? Life will be equally hard for generations of these new immigrants, except for the hard-nosed profiteers amongst them.

@Hawkeye,

If you see facts about the rights of the migrants as garbage, it's not going to be an entirely balanced discussion. One can be concerned over the rights of fleeing peoples without having to go through what they are. I could ask you, equally, if you are so concerned about keeping them out on your watch, why aren't you at the border?

All sorts of things concern people. Injustice, nuclear arms, famine, murders of journalists and conflict. It doesn't necessary entail your or I have to position ourselves in the thick of such happenings.

@chipstar

I have the paperwork to back my claims about how my wife and children had to be processed to enter the USA but you are defending people that dont have any identification or legal rights to illegally enter the USA so far. You claim to be an immigration lawyer but for what country are you a legal immigration lawyer? Will you open your bank accounts and give each of those Honduran families a $1000 to start a new life, i think not.

It's hilarious that pointing out facts becomes "defending" these migrants, who are not in the US yet so cannot be labeled as either documented or undocumented.

@chip star

These people are in danger and we have lawyers defending their rights who have not met or seen their credentials. Love the legal system you embrace. Make money off of them and also bill the USA for your work. I wish all these people well but please go home and rebuild your life and country because we cannot afford you or the lawyers who are making big bucks off of this situation yet will not empty their own pockets to help them.

These people are in danger and we have lawyers defending their rights who have not met or seen their credentials.

Who is defending their rights?

Love the legal system you embrace. Make money off of them and also bill the USA for your work.

The legal system I embrace is that of the US.

I wish all these people well but please go home and rebuild your life and country because we cannot afford you or the lawyers who are making big bucks off of this situation yet will not empty their own pockets to help them.*

The US can't afford to assist people from countries the US helped make into horrible places but the US can afford to give tax breaks to people and entities that do not need tax breaks. Uhhh . . . okay.

You are assuming a lot about immigration lawyers. Perhaps a little research would prevent you from making incorrect assumptions. (It would have helped you save money on unnecessary procedures for getting your US citizen children into the US.)

I can not go to the us and mexican border to defend this country as i am an old fart

This doesn't necessarily preclude one from manning a post at the border.

but my 2 sons serve in the us military and would gladly stand on the border to stop invaders,

These people are not invaders. They aren't even at the border yet.

how about your children or family members if you are indeed a true American.

Having children or family members in the military is not how status as a "true American" is determined. To determine who is a "true American," we need to know one's citizenship.

Fair enough that you cannot believe this is spontaneous. However, just because people can't believe something, doesn't necessarily mean it isn't true.

Fair enough, but just because one does not see the hands manipulating the crowds, doesn't necessarily mean they are not being manipulated.

Fair enough, but just because one does not see the hands manipulating the crowds, doesn't necessarily mean they are not being manipulated.

Agreed. That said, you've not presented any evidence to support the assertion that manipulation is occurring. Being the individual that made the assertion means the onus is on you to support it with evidence.

Just to set the record straight about 5000 people marching from Honduras and/or Guatemala. This caravan started with about 200 people and picked up momentum. Most of these people joined near the border with Mexico so they have only trekked a few miles.

Normally I would say"send them all to California sanctuary cities like SF but there is no guarantee that they would stay there.