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You just had an islamist terrorist murder 50 people in real life because they were gay, following Shariah law, and you take that opportunity to phantasize about imaginnary "hate crimes" by "violent conservatives"??

Did I produce a false story? And you conservatives say more guns are needed instead of more gun control. It's looking more and more like those semi autos need to go. Except for special situations open sales of them need to be illegalized, period. On an institutional level there is blood on the Conservative hands like that Conservative pastor who had Zimbabwe's laws changed to kill gays. Also, all this conservative hate rhetoric that made that encourages abortion doctors shootings. This was a terrible lone wolf situation. But conservative should be ashamed that they promote violence on an institutional level with lies that LGBT people are all pedophiles waiting for children to come into public bathrooms so they can molest them. And you Conservatives don't want to pass the gun laws that are needed. So shame on you conservatives for allowing this to happen on the legal and institutional level.

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you take that opportunity to phantasize about imaginnary "hate crimes" by "violent conservatives"??

Can you stoop lower?

Oh, it happens: http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Guard-Charged-with-Assault-After-Confronting-Transgender-Woman-Using-Womens-Restroom-380010941.html

You don't even have to be transgender to feel that hate: http://www.teenvogue.com/story/woman-mistaken-transgender-bathroom-attack

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nishikat:

" The Conservatives have done a lot to persecute LGBT. In the USA they accuse transgenders of preying on small children in public bathrooms and now these people are getting assaulted in hate crimes by violent conservatives. "

You just had an islamist terrorist murder 50 people in real life because they were gay, following Shariah law, and you take that opportunity to phantasize about imaginnary "hate crimes" by "violent conservatives"??

Can you stoop lower?

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I'm going to vote for Hillary. Got to stop the gun nuts. Trump wants everyone to be able to buy military grade weaponry on the open market. Hillary probably wants to ban open sales automatic weapons. Some 2A people are even pushing for teens (considered responsible) under 18 to be able to conceal carry. That is going to far.

The Conservatives have done a lot to persecute LGBT. In the USA they accuse transgenders of preying on small children in public bathrooms and now these people are getting assaulted in hate crimes by violent conservatives. Also, Conservatives like Scott Lively have caused the deaths of LGBT. by having whole African governments write laws to go after and kill the gay community there.

Scott Lively's eradication of gays in Zimbabue Google it. Do not tell us you were unaware of that?

There are too many nuts period. Trump just wants more guns. ISIS likes Trump because they know he will make them more powerful from his hate.

The only solution is Hillary who will push for real tough gun laws like real registration.

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Islam is incompatible with the values and lifestyles of non-islamic countries. Praise Allah and stay or go to islamic countries. Why oh why do they want to come to non-islamic countries??

Exactly. If they want to come and if they want to follow our ways and culture, by all means, come, if they don't, then they shouldn't come.

Err, no. He went after people that devout muslims hate. Keep in mind that homosexuality is banned in all muslim countries (Shariah prescribes the death penalty for it, which is practised in all countries that apply Shariah law). In Gazah and the Islamic state, they are thrown from buildings, in Iran, they are hanged from construction cranes. Google it. Do not tell us you were unaware of that?

Of course it happens, there are many websites where you see how barbaric the jihadists are. I just find it laughable when liberals try to make moral equivalency between radical Islam and radical Christianity, not even in the same boat. Muslims being killed by other Muslims, the Jihadists murdering religious minorities is off the charts on a daily basis, the Christian radicals don't even come close.

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nishikat:

" Another thing is (please Conservatives) stop making a big deal out of LGBT lifestyle and attracting attention to it. This guy may be registered Democrat. But he's acting like a radical conservative since he went after people that Conservatives hate. "

Err, no. He went after people that devout muslims hate. Keep in mind that homosexuality is banned in all muslim countries (Shariah prescribes the death penalty for it, which is practised in all countries that apply Shariah law). In Gazah and the Islamic state, they are thrown from buildings, in Iran, they are hanged from construction cranes. Google it. Do not tell us you were unaware of that?

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Islam is incompatible with the values and lifestyles of non-islamic countries. Praise Allah and stay or go to islamic countries. Why oh why do they want to come to non-islamic countries??

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Lizz:

" The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. "

And the media tout the fact that the terrorist was "American". Well, in a divided society, it is meaningless where he was brought up, when it is possible to be brought in a totally alien culture that rejects all concepts of Western society. I am wondering why his Taliban-loving father was admitted to the US.... don´t say as "refugee"? Certainly nobody interviewed him about his opinions.

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It's Ramadan, folks, the Muslim holy month. The Islamists have been calling for stepped up terrorist attacks against people who happen to be different, and this seems to be one example.

Sad to say, the new normal is that everyone in the civilized world needs to be extra cautious during this time of year. And no, Japan is not immune.

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People blaming guns on this The Colorado shooter was not Islam, nor the SH shooter. Most mass shootings are NOT Islam related. It IS the gun. We don't let people buy grenade launchers or tanks even if they could afford them. People are crazy for various reasons. Yes, there is Islam. But we had that black church shooter, the Bundies, the PP clinic attacker. Any crazy person should not have a gun. Solution? Restrict the gun. Do you know you can get a machine gun in the USA with strict registration? Make that so for the semi auto. They are mostly used by the crazies (for whatever reason). I'm thinking there has to be a database that connects all guns to their rightful owners. Gun is stolen? Got to report it. Gun transfer? Got to report it. The cost? Paid by the gun owners just like car owners.

How did this guy get this gun? If it was similar to the SB terrorists in California that indicates there has to be a strict registration for such deadly weapons (and guns are getting deadlier as the years go by). Why are such deadly weapons needed in the first place?

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It would seem ISIS and Islamic terrorists are really Republicans.

@ nishikat, records show that he was a registered Democrat. People blaming guns on this, I also believe that the reports are that he was wearing some kind of suicide vest. And he had been on the FBI terror list for the past 5 years. Yet the media instead is going after Trump on being insensitive on his tweets.

This event just lost FL to the Dems in November. The only way that they can come out of this is have the DNC chair resign immediately. They really can't try to say that this had something to do with the so called controversies on the Transgender bathroom laws, since even Trump said that in his buildings he didn't care if they used the bathroom in which they identify with, and even if he get the Evangelical vote, they can't blame this as an anti-gay shooting from a right wing Christian group since the guy obviously has Islamic ties. This will be a hard one to spin for those on the left.

And honestly, it shouldn't be spun but the truth be told. 50 Americans dead while doing something that was not illegal and not wrong, just going out to a club to have a good time, regardless of their sexual orientation, no one deserves to be gun downed or blown up by someone because of their religious beliefs.

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Very true as well as any other Illegals. If you think terrorists are dumb and haven't figured out, Mexico is a prime target for anyone to get in,

You just do not get it, do you? Both the San Bernardino and now this loon were Americans. Building a wall would have done absolutely nothing to prevent this from happening.

I feel the same about liberal pacifists that think being flowers and well wishes will defeat radical Islam.

Again, you simply do not get it. Probably never will. America has the most powerful military on earth. If all it took was just a hell of weapons, ISIS would be gone. This is about ideology, and you cannot change things by indiscriminately killing a bunch of civilians.

you do whatever you need to do to secure the country and the people that want to kill us are radical Islamists, that's a fact, that's not racist.

In the past year which has killed more Americans, guns or terrorists? Guns, of course. Do you want to do anything about America's gun problems? No absolutely not. So, spare me the lecture about "doing what it takes to secure the country and the people."

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Many Americans are conflicted about this. On the one hand, it's terrorism. On the other hand, they're gays. On the third hand, it's so easy for a person like that to obtain guns. It's tearing at their souls.

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ISIS affiliated media stated IS fighter carried out attack. Omar tern his profiles are tevealed.

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The Trump campaign should retweet articles like this....no way the media could bury it then.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/

Orlando suspect’s father hosted a TV show and now pretends to be Afghanistan’s president

The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. In a video he posted on Saturday, he appears to be portraying himself as the president of Afghanistan.

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His father said the killer was upset when he watched two men were kissing and that could be reason. The reason? The reason why so many people were killed were the guns and bullets he had. But If this is considered the only reason why he killed so many people then we need to look at the gun more. Is the SH shooter, the Colorado shooter (who had 100-round clip) blamed on Muslim extremism?

Another thing is (please Conservatives) stop making a big deal out of LGBT lifestyle and attracting attention to it. This guy may be registered Democrat. But he's acting like a radical conservative since he went after people that Conservatives hate.

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ISIS and sympathizers are using the same "soft target" tactic in a variety of cities, from Brussels to Mumbai, opening fire with automatic weapons.

So you folks earlier on this thread who blamed "white" Trump supporters or suggesting it's an American problem can feel free admit you were wrong.

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50 dead 53 injured, so fat. His father said the killer was upset when he watched two men were kissing and that could be reason. The club is LGBT night club. Some suspected ISIS which is not claiming credit on this mass shooting.

Florida officials are still investigating.

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Sanders blamed the gun on this and he is right I believe that in this country, we should not be selling automatic weapons which are designed to kill people

This is just one incident out of many. Sandy Hook, the church shooting, abortion doctor shooting, The Bundies. This is not going to end up being any kind of Muslim control (this guy was real American). This is going to be about real gun control. If you want to blame Obama on this then don't forget that (1) How many died under Bush on 9/11? and (2) Who created ISIS? A nut is a nut. That Colorado theater shooter (who is not Muslim) had a 100-round clip that jammed. He wanted to kill them all but it jammed. Something will be done about automatic weapons after this. I'm thinking buyers will need a tax stamp like what you do with a machine gun.

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A few years ago they were saying that the greatest danger was going to come from homegrown, lone wolf terrorists. Looks like they were right.

What a mess.

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Obama will blame the that attack on alcohol, guns, white racism I'm betting on more gun control after this. Remember, ISIS wants Trump because there is a better chance they can prosper under Trump being president from all the hatred being generated. And don't forget that GWB created ISIS.

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Bassfunk:

" Obama would never, ever concede to calling radical Islam for what it is, that's who he is and for this guy ideology will always come first before doing the right thing. "

Obama went to the UN and declared "there is no future for those who slander the prophet Mohammed" -- i.e. approval of islamic blasphemy laws. He labelled the Fort Hood shooting a "workplace incident" and removed all references to islam from the intelligence education program, followed demands by CAIR (a muslim brotherhood front organization).

I could go on. Yes, it is a safe bet that shooter was shouting "Alahu Akbar", and it is also a safe bet that Obama will blame the that attack on alcohol, guns, white racism, or whatever other bogeymen he can come up with.

If there is betting site running a bet on that, you can bank all your money on it.

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Update: Obama remains delusional. He refuses to say that this act was motivated by someone who professed allegiance to Radical Islam even though that individual calls 911 moments before shooting 100 people to claim allegiance to ISIS. January 2017 cannot come soon enough.

6 more months left to go until the celebrations.

No use in getting all worked up. Obama would never, ever concede to calling radical Islam for what it is, that's who he is and for this guy ideology will always come first before doing the right thing.

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Update: Obama remains delusional. He refuses to say that this act was motivated by someone who professed allegiance to Radical Islam even though that individual calls 911 moments before shooting 100 people to claim allegiance to ISIS. January 2017 cannot come soon enough.

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Our prayer and thought are with their families. I’m really shocked and devastated by this shocking news when I watch on TV as breaking news this morning. This is hate crime and terrorism. I have read the story about suspect in other news. Omar Mateen complaints to his father when he saw couples kissing and cuddle each other on the beach. 'They were kissing each other and touching each other and he said, "Look at that. In front of my son they are doing that". He has Islamic extremist view and hate American society because he thought what they are doing was against the Islam religion. He was son of former Afghani refugee and born in NY. If Muslim peoples think American society or their host society's culture was against Islam religion and they don’t like it and then they should migrate to Muslim country instead of killing innocent peoples.

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Well, whatever we do, hopefully we deal with it a bit better than the rightists deal with gun crime.

Like maybe calling it a workplace violence incident?

Yes, because sealing the borders will prevent Muslim Americans from entering their own country.

Very true as well as any other Illegals. If you think terrorists are dumb and haven't figured out, Mexico is a prime target for anyone to get in, whether you are a coyote, drug trafficker aor even terrorist.

Yes, because gotta have guns. Guns cure cancer. Guns cure aids. The more guns, the better. All our problems will surely go away.

I'll tell you what, where is the gunman now? There's your answer.

The gun nutters are truly a hysterical bunch.

I feel the same about liberal pacifists that think being flowers and well wishes will defeat radical Islam.

Two Muslim terror attacks and you are all "ban the Mulsims, they're evil people, and we don't know what's going on with them." Point out the hundreds of mass shootings that happen year in and year out and its, "hands off my guns, commie pinko."

Again, this weak argument, you do whatever you need to do to secure the country and the people that want to kill us are radical Islamists, that's a fact, that's not racist. 9/11, Fort Hood, San Bernadino and now Orlando? There is No way, now this mass shooting since 9/11 that the gun issue will be debated, in fact, this will increase gun sales and most definitely probably put Trump in the White House. You have 50 dead people and that number might climb and liberals want to basically say, it's bad and sad, but, oh,well.....life goes on. Sorry, that don't fly anymore. This is exactly the catalyst that the gun sellers and Trump needs. There will be a doubling down on securing the border and scrutinizing Muslim communities where radical jihadists hang out in, but I know, the left will try to use race and islamophobia to further their paranoia argument.

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Lizz:

" Trying to map this onto US politics is a bit absurd. "

I´d abbreviate that to "US politics is a bit absurd"... ::)

Still, the mapping to me would be that US politicians who wants at least temporary stop on islamic immigration until reasonable background checks are assured, plus the status of islamic law within the Western legal system is clarified would be preferrable to me to one who wants to open the flood gates, Merkel style,

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More fuel for the pro trump crowd. Terrible.

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It is not his fault for being Democrat -he was born that way.

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Trying to map this onto US politics is a bit absurd. The real issue is that these versions of Islam that inspires terror / violent acts is commonplace and part of the norm in most Muslim majority countries. Maybe not necessarily mainstream but no more extreme on the spectrum than the average Bernie supporter in the US.

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(1)This man was a registered democrat. Evidently they like guns also. (2) republicans are gay also, transgender too. (3) well he was the republican nominee. (4) not wanting to subsidize abortion is more like it. More like expect women to enjoy sex responcibly, take the measures necessary to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. Is it only democrats who use abortion as a form of birth control?

Silly, 50 people dead with more likely to die from a terrorist and all the liberals care about is control the people. How about let's figure out how to defuse the radicals.

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There is going to be a very strong campaign FOR gun control after this. What is the NRA going to say. Because there were some armed good people with guns but it did not help, apparently. All guns will need to be controlled strictly. Look how well it works in Japan.

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Held a security license while being investigated twice by the FBI and a father that was running for office in Afghanistan.

Accounts for the prior law enforcement statement that he “had weapons training”.

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Have to call it like it is... the excessive progressive mentality needs to use logic more than good feelies towards Islamic ideology

It would seem ISIS and Islamic terrorists are really Republicans. Proof:

(1) They like guns. (2)They are targeting gays and transgenders (and Republicans hate those people) (3)They want Trump for President (look it up) (4) They want to restrict women from enjoying their sexual lives.

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It was reported that some in the club had guns. At least one security staff tried to shoot the guy but failed to stop him. Result : 50 deads and counting. Again, some people rely too much on Hollywood for what they perceive as reality.

Here is reality:

Hundreds of holiday shoppers were in the Tacoma Mall on Sunday, November 20th, 2005 when Dominick Maldonado opened fire, randomly shooting stores and people. Dan McKown, legally armed with a concealed pistol, tried to stop the rampage. McKown was shot five times and left partially paralyzed. He's a standup comic, and fellow comedians put on a benefit days after the shooting..

Read the rest at:

http://komonews.com/news/local/survivor-marks-mall-shooting-anniversary-with-comedy

Again, Reality vs Hollywood people. We are not in movie land! Die Hard is simply a move.

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TEACHERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS are buying more guns. They aren't buying the line from the liberals that guns are the culprits. Humans are the culprits. In this case a Muslim.

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But good feelies makes us feel so good!

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The suspect was a 29 year old Afghanistan descended US citizen with Islamic fundamentalist ideology . Omar Mateen. Had a gun license because he worked as a security guard. Might want to list that in the article.

Have to call it like it is... the excessive progressive mentality needs to use logic more than good feelies towards Islamic ideology.

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This is just one type of shooter (Islamic) who wanted to kill everyone in the gay bar.

same with the SH shooter (who would have wanted to kill every kid in the school) Same with abortion shooters (who would have wanted to kill every member of the PP clinic) Same with the recent black church shooter Same with the Virginia Tech shooter Same with any nut case. They will shoot and keep shooting until everyone or the shooter is dead. The Colorado movie theater shooter had a 100-round clip that jammed, thank god.

the problem is the semi auto (or fully auto, whatever he had) just makes it too easy and they need to be restricted via database restriction

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Imagine if just one of the hostages had a legal concealed weapon.

It was reported that some in the club had guns. At least one security staff tried to shoot the guy but failed to stop him. Result : 50 deads and counting.

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Arguments on gun control are irrelevant here. How did he get it semi auto(?) It's very relevant. If gun registration at least slows down the process it is very very relevant. And it could have in San Bernardino because from what I remember they got their guns illegally and their friendly gun source might have thought twice beforehand- he got arrested later.

Enrique Marquez Jr., a friend and former neighbor of Farook, was investigated in connection with his purchase of the two rifles used in the attack. Marquez was arrested on December 17, 2015, and charged with three federal criminal counts: conspiracy to provide material support for terrorism

Terrorism or not I want more gun control and I want the government to be able to identify anyone who has a gun anytime like with car ownership. If that gun is transferred to another person by any means that registration needs to transfer. And if the transferrer understands an illegal transation takes place (which could be easily traced with registration) there is a much greater chance of not doing it.

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Once again, guns don't kill people, it's the bullets! Stop producing bullets. Ban bullets. NRA only backs the guns, not bullets. :D

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This was an Islamic terrorist. Arguments on gun control are irrelevant here.

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Yep, that's America! Guns, violence, psychos, mass killings. Remember, the right to keep and bear arms supercedes the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Keep calm and carry on SHOOTING!

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Imagine if just one of the hostages had a legal concealed weapon. Drunk and all? This is a bar.

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Trump, the gun owner's and white nationalist's champion, wants to ensure the gun industry stays untouched and remains one of America's most powerful forces.

@PTownsend: Hate to break it down to you, but the guy who did this was not a white Nationalist. He was born of Afghan parents and listed his race as other. Also, from the description that they gave of him, he listed his voting preference as being a registered Democrat. Also, there have been reports of ISIS saying that something will happen in Florida for the past three days.

So, you can't say that this is a result of the Trump followers.

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As Muhammad Musri, leader of the Islamic Center of Central Orlando, says, "lets not rush to judgement".

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Omar Pateen was wearing a suicide west too, so he could have achieved the same death toll quite without guns,

Your "suicide west" is not a gun ?

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Imagine if just one of the hostages had a legal concealed weapon. The number would not be 50 killed. There were sitting ducks.

This was a single shooter similar to the concert in Paris with the exception is the scumbag acted alone.

Gun confiscation would not prevent this. This guy had his anti western agenda during Ramadan. This guy seemed targeted this gay club to kill the gays. This is tragic.

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From what it seems so far is that the shooter could have had possible ties to radical Islam. Now, if it is radical Islam, let's call it for what it is and not do the liberal song and dance of making excuses. Whatever it is I call for the universal solution of registering all guns to each owner by database. You want that weaponry you should not be able to buy it anonymously. Just buying a semi auto Glock or AR without the government knowing who the owner is is insane. Registration works. Look how well it works in Japan. You 2A people who are in Japan are happy with it.

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America is really cursed by guns. Such shootings will never end.

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NRA: The alcohol the clubbers were drinking could have easily killed just as much people, if not more, than guns.

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Afetr over 7 years Obama still hasn't outlawed guns? What gives?

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Takeda shingen:

" Yes, because that "hiatus" will certainly do something about the 8.5 million Muslims already living in the US. We need to make them all wear badges, and maybe put them in camps. "

Nobody is talking about "camps", but to copy Europes unlimited, uncontrolled mass immigration (which Hillary and Obama want to) is insanity. And yes, it is necessary to address the ideology of radical islam. It is pretty ironic that you go into hysterical fits about the ideology of Trump, yet at the same time you declare that islamic ideology is irrelevant.

Well, either peoples beliefs matter or they don´t matter. You can´t have it both ways.

" Two Muslim terror attacks "

Two? What kind of math is that? Referring t what time span?

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50 casualties! From an Afghani trained terrorist! Not a domestic born nut job.

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Omar Pateen was wearing a suicide west too, so he could have achieved the same death toll quite without guns,

Yet, he chose to go guns out blazing. Time to rethink gun control, thank you.

And Trump has called for hiatus on out-of-control islamic immigrationg

Yes, because that "hiatus" will certainly do something about the 8.5 million Muslims already living in the US. We need to make them all wear badges, and maybe put them in camps.

The gun nutters are truly a hysterical bunch. Two Muslim terror attacks and you are all "ban the Mulsims, they're evil people, and we don't know what's going on with them." Point out the hundreds of mass shootings that happen year in and year out and its, "hands off my guns, commie pinko."

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Domestic US Muslims would like to see sharia law replace the existing laws. I as a non Muslim US citizen find this disturbing.

All the anti gun posts here. Seriously, do any of you think this could not happen with gun laws reversed and a confiscation? Do you really believe a whack-job like this man will say, hmm, no gun, no personal agenda promoted. The tsarnev's found an economical solution.

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Choose one as cause:

a. hate crime

b. radical islamic terror

c. domestic terror

d. lone wolf

e. inspired by fanatics through internet

f. easy access to weapons

g. all of the above

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Ptownsend:

" merica is sick with gun violence (among other things) and Trump, "

Omar Pateen was wearing a suicide west too, so he could have achieved the same death toll quite without guns, thank you. And Trump has called for hiatus on out-of-control islamic immigrationg, so it seems to me he is addressing the issue, while you trot out a us party strawman.

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Looks like the loser applied for a marriage licence in May of 2009. • Omar Mir Seddique Mateen and Sitora Alisherzoda Yusufiy, (Uzbeki) both of Port St. Lucie. http://www.tcpalm.com/news/martin-and-st-lucie-county-public-records-for-may-4-ep-399248028-347451091.html

BTW, the San Bernardino male shooter was also an American-born U.S. citizen of Pakistani descent. At least this guy, from preliminary reports, seems to have been on the FBI radar.

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the burning and the serious question is, if it is radical Islam, what and how will we contain this growing threat?

Well, whatever we do, hopefully we deal with it a bit better than the rightists deal with gun crime.

One thing is, we need to definitely do is seal that border

Yes, because sealing the borders will prevent Muslim Americans from entering their own country.

and more than ever, you will start to see gun sales rise as a result of this horrific tragedy.

Yes, because gotta have guns. Guns cure cancer. Guns cure aids. The more guns, the better. All our problems will surely go away.

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Terrorism now? Not confirmed but a strong possibility now.

Takeda, born and raised in an domestic ethnic culture can share the old world views.

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And there you have it. It absolutely is about guns. Literally hundreds of mass shootings ever year and its "not about guns." Let's call it what it is

Well, deal with it, the second Amendment isn't going anywhere, the burning and the serious question is, if it is radical Islam, what and how will we contain this growing threat? One thing is, we need to definitely do is seal that border and more than ever, you will start to see gun sales rise as a result of this horrific tragedy.

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No, not at all. This is not about guns. Oh, geeez, not this argument again!

And there you have it. It absolutely is about guns. Literally hundreds of mass shootings ever year and its "not about guns." Let's call it what it is.

With a name like Omar Mateen and a cultural heritage from Afghanistan,

Forgot the part about him being born and raised in America. Bigot.

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Sure thang, and if its not, I am sure you were be clamoring for stricter gun control, no?

No, not at all. This is not about guns. Oh, geeez, not this argument again!

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CBS News and other outlets are reporting the shooter as Omar Mateen, an American citizen from Port Lucie FL with parents from Afghanistan.

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Now, if it is radical Islam, let's call it for what it is and not do the liberal song and dance of making excuses.

Sure thang, and if its not, I am sure you were be clamoring for stricter gun control, no?

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Sad to say, but this will only bolster Trump's chances of winning the Presidency

It's a nightclub for gays and people that don't use the 'right' side of public toilets. Even if the cops do an investigation for terrorism, the perps could be Trump fans that want to give an example about how life would be in United States of Donald...

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Is it now? Well, no, Europe too, is quite diverse and what are you getting at? Are you seriously trying to blame this mess on minority groups?

From what it seems so far is that the shooter could have had possible ties to radical Islam. Now, if it is radical Islam, let's call it for what it is and not do the liberal song and dance of making excuses.

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What I am saying is the freaks who kill have a desire or need to do so. Do any of you rally think if the guy (almost always) can't go to the store and buy a gun this will stop? I say no

No, we cannot prevent all bad things from happening, but we CAN prevent a great number of these instances from happening through common sense measures, yet you still are trying to claim that guns aren't the problem.

What is unique in USA is the mix of all cultures here.

Is it now? Well, no, Europe too, is quite diverse and what are you getting at? Are you seriously trying to blame this mess on minority groups?

And gun laws and availability could use more restriction.

Yes! Now you are cooking with oil, but:

The southern border can't stop the drug flow and won't stop the firearms flow either

70% of firearms confiscated in Mexico originated in the United States. Maybe Mexico WOULD pay for that wall ;) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smuggling_of_firearms_into_Mexico

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More gun hobbyists add more guns and ammo to their private arsenals fearing someone in government will question their right to own private arsenals. But the gun industry laughs harder with each gun related incident, knowing they've bought enough politician's votes to protect themselves.

As a gun owner and collector, I don't know anyone buyer, seller or owner that's smiling with glee, quite the opposite.

America is sick with gun violence (among other things) and Trump, the gun owner's and white nationalist's champion, wants to ensure the gun industry stays untouched and remains one of America's most powerful forces.

Sorry, but you don't speak for all of America. Once again, race is coming up, how can you say, White Nationallists are championing Trump. Ben Carson is not White he supports Trump, there are many Blacks and other minorities that support Trump and the second amendment. There are people that will blame it on guns, use the race card (sadly) but we don't know all of the circumstances surrounding the situation.

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What I am saying is the freaks who kill have a desire or need to do so. Do any of you rally think if the guy (almost always) can't go to the store and buy a gun this will stop? I say no. What is unique in USA is the mix of all cultures here. A defunded mental health system. And gun laws and availability could use more restriction.

This all said, if guns were confiscated tomorrow there would be gun violence for decades. The southern border can't stop the drug flow and won't stop the firearms flow either. More border security would help to slow some of that.

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To me, guns are not the problem. We've got much bigger problems in drug overdose and texting while driving. Which needlessly claim lives almost hourly.

Muslim extremist terrorism not the problem. Check

drug overdoses, texting and driving are our biggest threats. Check.

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The root problem is the people the gun is controlled by the loon.

So, you are saying crazy people are responsible for crimes such as this? The rest of the world, I am sure, also has crazy people, yet they have less gun crime. Why? Are Americans somehow crazier than people elsewhere? Sounds like a logical reason for gun control.

Shall we blame the chinese for inventing gunpowder?

No. A rather absurd idea.

Should gun sport be eliminated from the Olympics?

No, because unlike the US Olympic athletes, their practice, and their firearms are tightly controlled.

To me, guns are not the problem.

To me, people like you are the problem.

We've got much bigger problems in drug overdose and texting while driving. Which needlessly claim lives almost hourly

Not true. More people die from guns than drug overdoses in the US. Regardless, are we as a nation only allowed to address only one social issue at a time? If we are able to reduce overdoses and automobile accidents, will you then turn your attention to America's gun problem? I doubt it.

Guns are a serious issue but I don't think many people besides Obama that believe more firearm laws are going to deter terrorists.

As one American, I certainly do. Time to regulate guns and the death merchants: NRA

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So sad when a lunatic wants to take lives from innocent people. Multiple families are in mystery and in pain right now. Hopefully it's an over estimate and no further casualties.

I'll agree guns make it easier and more "glamorous" in a Hollywood sense to make yourself famous in a very warped way. The root problem is the people the gun is controlled by the loon. Shall we blame the chinese for inventing gunpowder? No, gunpwder when used properly helps humanity just like guns. Should gun sport be eliminated from the Olympics?

To me, guns are not the problem. We've got much bigger problems in drug overdose and texting while driving. Which needlessly claim lives almost hourly.

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Just another day in America, but this was in Florida, where were good guys with guns anyways ?

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Sad to say, but this will only bolster Trump's chances of winning the Presidency

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Guns are a serious issue but I don't think many people besides Obama that believe more firearm laws are going to deter terrorists.

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Let's just wait on the gun angle.

YOU wait. Guns were used. It's too early to know specific details, but we KNOW guns were used and they were probably bought legally in the US where it's easy for just about anyone to get a weapon, where there are hundreds of millions of guns, where they are used every day to kill people. I know right wing reactionaries want to make this a terrorist issue, and it might well be. But if it was terrorists, they used GUNS!

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Let's just wait on the gun angle. There are mass casualties by all reports and the sheriff has called it terrorism. The FBI agent on CNN as saying the suspect is "Islamic leaning" and "not from the local area." Also "suspicious device", and "potential international terrorism."

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So far 20 DEAD, 40+ injured: where are the 'knives are just as bad as guns' people? RIP innocents killed by guns.

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Obama has sold more guns than any other

Paranoid freaks reacting to NRA propaganda. "Obama's commin' for ya guns"

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America is sick with gun violence (among other things) and Trump, the gun owner's and white nationalist's champion, wants to ensure the gun industry stays untouched and remains one of America's most powerful forces.

Obama has sold more guns than any other. = When Trump gets elected guns sales will most likely go down.

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More gun violence, more people injured, more families grieving, more police time wasted, more medical care professional's time wasted, more court time wasted.

More gun hobbyists add more guns and ammo to their private arsenals fearing someone in government will question their right to own private arsenals. But the gun industry laughs harder with each gun related incident, knowing they've bought enough politician's votes to protect themselves.

America is sick with gun violence (among other things) and Trump, the gun owner's and white nationalist's champion, wants to ensure the gun industry stays untouched and remains one of America's most powerful forces.

1 ( +11 / -11 )

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