Gunmen hit Syrian army from sea; Moscow slams rebels

LagunaAPR. 29, 2012 - 08:49PM JST tmarie, Saddam was a Sunni, while Iraq is Shia majority. That is one reason why both Saddam and Assad downplay religion.

Yes it is truth. Syria by Assad and Iraq by Saddam – secular state or semi secular.

In both cases, religion will most likely occupy a larger role in their nations' futures, and that makes many people nervous,

To live under power of religious fanatics – really makes many people nervous.

but it really is a necessary step in their evolutions towards stable democracies

You promise ? Why we have not such STABLE democracy in Iraq ? Saddam is no more at power, but.........

NeverSubmit: So if a couple of guys start rampaging around Paris with AK47s are the French security forces going to stay in their barracks?

SuperLib: Of course not. Sakorzy, who has ruled France along with his father with an iron fist for the last 40 years, would crush them. What a silly question to ask.

The same question : If some guys supported by Al Qaeda will attack Paris or London Or Berlin ?

What kind of reaction will follow ? I want to KNOW.

Jeez Russia are hopeless. It beggars belief that they would lay the responsibility of this rebellion at the feet of the people, not the ruling tyrants. And China. Oh, no, wait, let's think about history for a minute. Two of the most tyrannical countries in the last 100 years

my candidates list of most tyrannical countries in the last 100 years would be the Axis Powers (Germany, Japan, Italy) - initiated ww2, which directly/indirectly killed near 80 million. throw u.s. in there, since every few years it's involved in a conflict. russia and china bored the brunt of the losses/damages caused by ww2. they are a major part of the reason europe and asia are not speaking german and japanese, respectively.

Fun tu vouch how you all her protect tis so named rebels its same that awry one of you have forgotten Libeya and democratek bombs from the haven I tell you more before bombardment of Libeya the Kadafi have killed 10,000 piplle its many I agre but after so called democratic help from UN the numbers was numerusly increased 50,000 killed and even now ther still safer so I think that ther is no need for such democrate in Sirija I think cape this democrate for yore self not awry one can use such system its not super universal mechanism for all world some place it works some not stop interfere in the other state you only make more suffer

tmarie, Saddam was a Sunni, while Iraq is Shia majority. That is one reason why both Saddam and Assad downplay religion. In both cases, religion will most likely occupy a larger role in their nations' futures, and that makes many people nervous, but it really is a necessary step in their evolutions towards stable democracies.

Laguna, isn't that what Iraq was like with Saddam? Or was it the other way around? Knew it was the minority ruling the majority...

Of course they are getting support. Just hopefully not from "us" though God knows.

Syria is unique in that a Shia minority (12%) dominates the Sunni majority (74%). No doubt much support for the rebels comes from fellow Sunni who chafe at this fact - just as Assad's main supporter is fellow-Shia state Iran.

To think that the rebels would not exist without outside support is fanciful; they would simply be more underarmed than they are. The bloodshed is regrettable and an equitable solution is far from guaranteed, but no nation can long exist with such an imbalance as is present in Syria.

80% of Assad's people approve of him. The people not approving of him started out in peaceful protest but the murdering foreign rebels took them over.

Perhaps you could post a few links that help us "dig deeper". I don't watch CNN but everything I've read pretty much disagrees with everything you've suggested.

Personally, I hope "we" stay out of this. I hope the "rebels" are strong enough to over throw the tyrant leaders and get the freedom they want and are fighting for. I would rather not have another Libya - which is now just utter chaos but so far removed from anyone's minds these days it is sick.

If the Arab nation wants to help out, fine. But leave the "west" out of it. We're infidels when we try and help and useless when we don't.

But the idea that the rebel forces are a home grown batch of resistance fighters using their own ammo and weapons has become farsical.

The rebel forces are being funded and supplied and manned from foreign powers, which is strictly against UN rules.

The situation in Syria is not a home grown resistance movement, it's an attempted take over from overseas powers. And the Syrian people know it. That's why they overwhelming support their country in this fight against foreign intruders. The foreign fighters have also been well documented as committing horrific atrocities against the local civilian population by Human Rights Watch. What an absolute load of rubbish. This is stratospherically proposterous and not one of you making these claims about this 'Western Power Conspiracy' in Syria has provided ANY credible information to back up your claims. You guys take this bizarre line that all 'Western Governments' are in cahoots with all "western Media' in some grand and evil conspiracy to usurp power in Syria for hegemonistic reasons, whilst completely ignoring any of the basic facts in plain sight for all to see. Which is why facts and reason prove futile when arguing the point with you. One boat from Libya with 3 container loads of weapons proves what? I'll tell you what it proves. That someone in Libya sent 3 container loads of arms to Syrian rebels. That's all. I ask you again, Never Submit, who specifically do you think is trying to take over power in Syria?

Chuck,

Challenge yourself to dig for the truth.

Thanks, I have. My digging has shown you to be incorrect. Care to show any reason why we should take what you write seriously?

But the idea that the rebel forces are a home grown batch of resistance fighters using their own ammo and weapons has become farsical.

Yes, if anyone suggested the resistance fighters were building and making their own ammo and weapons, it certainly would be farsical. However, no one is suggesting that.

The situation in Syria is not a home grown resistance movement, it's an attempted take over from overseas powers.

Yet, no matter how many times and how many posters ask you to show evidence of this or even where you are getting your information, you continue to decline to show them. Why? It strikes me that you don't actually have this evidence at all.

The foreign fighters have also been well documented as committing horrific atrocities against the local civilian population by Human Rights Watch.

Not true. You linked the Human Rights Watch page and it said nothing whatsoever about the rebels being foreign fighters. Nothing at all about that. Both sides have been documented as committing attrocities. That is true. However, Human Rights Watch did state in the article you linked, thanks for that, that until Sept 2011, they were mostly peaceful. Human Rights Watch said nothing of the sort about the Syrian government.

"For both sides. Do you think Assad manufactures his own weapons?"

There's no dispute that the Syrian government buys its weapons from overseas.

But the idea that the rebel forces are a home grown batch of resistance fighters using their own ammo and weapons has become farsical.

The rebel forces are being funded and supplied and manned from foreign powers, which is strictly against UN rules.

The situation in Syria is not a home grown resistance movement, it's an attempted take over from overseas powers. And the Syrian people know it. That's why they overwhelming support their country in this fight against foreign intruders. The foreign fighters have also been well documented as committing horrific atrocities against the local civilian population by Human Rights Watch.

The weapons are clearly being shipped in from overseas

For both sides. Do you think Assad manufactures his own weapons?

Heh, I have to chuckle when "Gunmen in inflatable dinghies" equates to a Navy at the hands of the rebels to conspiracy theorists.

Especially when we all know XE mercenaries are equipped with gills thanks to alien technology and can remain underwater for periods of up to twelve hours.

dig for news from the people on Assad's side and you will have your eyes opened

Ah, so if i look for news from the Assad government, Iran, Russia, and China, my eyes will be opened. Thanks for the tip.

If Nato would call off the "rebels", peace could prevail. If the former Blackwater, and Qatar mercenaries would stop fighting, peace would prevail. 80% of Assad's people approve of him. The people not approving of him started out in peaceful protest but the murdering foreign rebels took them over. Don't take my word for it. Dig deeper past the western press because they are not being truthful. All reports are coming from one side only in the west... dig for news from the people on Assad's side and you will have your eyes opened. There are so many instances of CNN creating the news and rebels staging mock deaths and even an interview in Germany with one of the rebels who said that it was simply his job to assassinate people. Challenge yourself to dig for the truth.

Never Submit

So if a couple of guys start rampaging around Paris with AK47s are the French security forces going to stay in their barracks?

What on earth does that have to do with this?

The irony is that these days if even an old granny protests in the streets with a placard in any western country, the government sends out fully armed black booted storm troopers to crush the protest.

There is no irony at all, as is there no legitimate or serious comparison. Syrians aren't allowed to protest, Never Submit, and if they do they pay for it with their lives. Drawing a line between the two is complete rubbish.

NeverSubmit: So if a couple of guys start rampaging around Paris with AK47s are the French security forces going to stay in their barracks?

Of course not. Sakorzy, who has ruled France along with his father with an iron fist for the last 40 years, would crush them. What a silly question to ask.

The weapons are clearly being shipped in from overseas

Clearly. As I told you, the came on a boat from either Libya or Egypt. But you are champing at the bit to indict a major western country in this, so who's it going to be? Go on, be bold!

"France says that if Assad’s forces do not return to barracks, it will push next month for a “Chapter 7” U.N. Security Council resolution - which could allow action ranging from economic sanctions to military intervention."

So if a couple of guys start rampaging around Paris with AK47s are the French security forces going to stay in their barracks?

The irony is that these days if even an old granny protests in the streets with a placard in any western country, the government sends out fully armed black booted storm troopers to crush the protest.

So are Hillary Clinton and Kofi Annan going to denounce this attack as breach of ceasefire?

"Lebanese authorities found weapons including rocket-propelled grenades and rifles on board a ship intercepted in the Mediterranean which may have been trying to supply Syrian insurgents, security sources said."

I don't care how many stars you have on your ebay account there's no way you can buy RPGs and other military grade weapons and have them shipped across the mediteranean without the tacit approval of one or more powerful countries.

The weapons are clearly being shipped in from overseas

Oh, and by the way, a UN peace initiative Russia have been none to keen on from the get go.

Never Submit The boat originated in Libya and stopped in Egypt before heading to Syria. One boat, a Navy does not make, and having arms on it doesn't make it 'at their disposal'.

Syria is being attacked by professional foreign mercenaries, who seem to have plenty of financing and support.

You wanna say who you think is providing the financial support?

Russia also piled in, saying the disparate rebel groups trying to topple Assad appeared determined to trash what is left of the U.N.-backed peace initiative.

Jeez Russia are hopeless. It beggars belief that they would lay the responsibility of this rebellion at the feet of the people, not the ruling tyrants. And China. Oh, no, wait, let's think about history for a minute. Two of the most tyrannical countries in the last 100 years, with possibly hundreds of millions of domestic deaths racked up between them opposing rebellion against a murderous regime? I'm not surprised at all.

"Moscow slams rebels"

The Russian gov't loves Baby Assad.

Of course Moscow slams the rebels. It doesn't want any of that revolution talk near Russia. The next thing the world will see is some small former Soviet Union country disturbing the peace in Moscow.

"It did not state the nationality of the attackers."

Speaks volumes.

How come this ragtag army of supposed dissidents suddenly has a Navy at their disposal?

Marine borne assault requires careful planning, preparation and extensive training.

Syria is being attacked by professional foreign mercenaries, who seem to have plenty of financing and support.