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Hmm... the size of Europe and with only 23 million people... overcrowded?

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“migrants should adopt the Australian way of life”

How ironic.

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adopt the Australian way of life

What does it mean exactly? I'm just wondering how it differs from other western nation's way of life.

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Can we disregard this article entirely please? As it says so succintly: the TABLOID Daily Telegraph. For those of you who don't know it, it's Australia's written version of Fox News or The Herald Sun in England perhaps? A rubbish read with alternating stabs at politicians 'heartwarming' human interest stories, cancer scares and other rubbish. I don't give a damn if they interviewed 2000 people, the large part of Australia's population is 2-3 generations removed from migrants, and the country was in trouble of 'populate or perish' before that.

Complete twaddle. About as indiciative of Australian society as the translated articles here on JT from the Japanese tabloids about 'Japan getting stupider' and suchlike.

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Goto say l actually agree with this poll. It is time that we seriously reconsidered our immigration policy and reduced the numbers that we allow in each year.

Thunderbird2 Hmm... the size of Europe and with only 23 million people... overcrowded?

Do yourself a favour and check out a map. While the country may be the size of Europe a very large part of it is not suitable for habitation (its desert) and most of the population live in small strips of coast on the east coast and in pockets around the country. And most of the land for food production just happens to be where the population is so we are loosing farmland at a fast rate. So if we want to continue to support ourselves food wise we need to reduce immigration. We also have just come out of a major decade long drought where water was so short that major cities had sever water restrictions and some towns even ran out.

mrkobayashiMAY. 22, 2012 - 04:58PM JST “migrants should adopt the Australian way of life” How ironic.

Not really, see most of the new migrants unlike the ones from decades ago do not assimilate and want us to change to suit them. This is causing large problems and racial issues (Cronella riots). Immigration in the past always worked because the people coming tried to fit in while still maintaining their identity and bringing something to the nation. THat has changed now and the new breed of immigrants bring their hangups and grudges from their home country while expecting us as a nation to change to suit them.

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Pft... Australians themselves are immigrants.

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Might I just say that I'm part of the other 49% that want immigration to continue, however our current policy does need a major overhaul.

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most of the new migrants unlike the ones from decades ago do not assimilate and want us to change to suit them.

Tell that to the Aboriginals

There's nothing wrong with having reasonable immigration laws. Stopping immigration altogether can only breed harmful jingoism that will make all immigrants already in Australia a target for prejudice and hatred.

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What does it mean exactly? I'm just wondering how it differs from other western nation's way of life.

I guess that it's slightly different, but only slightly. Just like the Germans are different from the French, etc.

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most of the new migrants unlike the ones from decades ago do not assimilate

How 'bout the migrants from a coupla centuries ago? They didn't so much assimilate as.... invade?

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Cletus obviously has never done any farming before. There is plenty of area for farming, and even though it is tabloid like, it does represent the population that screams over-population and no food etcetcetc. And like cletus they hate the recent immigrants that come on boats but thats because they stink of the breed thatcome on planes and basically set the laws up to suit themselves. So you basically have six of one and half a dozen of the other. So I reckon Australia should be a trial for open borders! Stipluations being that everybody who comes has to buy land and build their own home(ofcourse it doesnt have to be diy, you could pay a builder). Thatd get all them housed and fed iimmigrants on par at least with those who arent able to get a job there-due to all the plane arriving like immigrants sending any work they may produce back to their homeland. Also, all regulations regarding fishing farming and food supply must be eased to..... well lets be moderate, a 10km strip from the beach inland and out to sea (just a 20km strip)all down the east and west coast. Forget the north and south thatd be being greedy, and besides there still isnt enough mouths to feed anyway even if you did.In that 20km strip any sort of food production is a go-go. No regulations to stop you. Hey I reckon it must be the next thing on the list of be a loving peaceful world.

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Thanks Thomas, much appreciated.

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cleo you can only say coupla centurys because it was only 2 or 3. No more. So actually those same poms are still there telling the australians that they bought and left there what to do basically. But of course Australians havent caught on yet because they are blinded by every immigrants pity pleaing ways. and the poms just keep feeding them every pity story and controlling the whole darn lot. Youd have thought the recent Thomson case would have highlighted the so-called democracy that has been at play there. More like 100 years of convicts and 100 years of TRYING to be normal, and then we hit the computor generation and well game over. Open the borders nad lets see what happens when there isnt a corrupt govenrment.

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Isthiezak

"most of the new migrants unlike the ones from decades ago do not assimilate and want us to change to suit them."

There's nothing wrong with having reasonable immigration laws. Stopping immigration altogether can only breed harmful jingoism that will make all immigrants already in Australia a target for prejudice and hatred.

And where did l say stop it all together, l did say review it, and l did say reduce but nowhere did l say stop it.

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illsayit

Cletus obviously has never done any farming before. There is plenty of area for farming, and even though it is tabloid like, it does represent the population that screams over-population and no food etcetcetc.

Really!!!! Well let me ask you this, you ever been to Australia? Have you ever been to places out in the desert of Australia? Yes you can get cattle and sheep out there. But as for growing food, wheat, sugar, and other crops you cant grow them in a place like Woomera for example now can you? The amount of fertile land for crops is mainly around the coastal belt and some inland locations. Apart from that it is ok for livestock in some areas but there are large areas unsuitable for both. Maybe if you looked it up you would realise that. Oh and for the record yes l actually have been involved in farming (on a small scale) before coming to Japan and will return to it in a couple of months when l return home. So foot out of mouth please.

And like cletus they hate the recent immigrants that come on boats but thats because they stink of the breed thatcome on planes and basically set the laws up to suit themselves. So you basically have six of one and half a dozen of the other.

Now where exactly did l say that l hate any immigrants, l merely pointed out that unlike recent generations of new arrivals (Asians, Europeans, etc) the newer arrivals are not settling in as previous groups had. I love the things previous generations of immigrants have bought to Australia, they manage to embrace our culture while maintaining their own culture and this adds to us as a nation. The new immigrants in some cases do not do this its as simple as that.

So I reckon Australia should be a trial for open borders!

MMM like Japan does right. How many refugees has Japan taken in, in the past 4 years? around 8000. How many has Australia taken in? Nearly 90000. So maybe you want to take about those figures before you critisise my nations immigration policy.

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And NZ needs to review their immigration laws too, mild immigration is ok but when you get mass forms of it it can create all sorts of social problems. 4.6 million in 10 years is what i would call en mass.

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my nation too cletus. while recent immigrants may not be to your taste, if they could spend their money where the people are instead of upholding your style of govt, then we could stop the false pretense of democracy and actually become one.

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unlike recent generations of new arrivals (Asians, Europeans, etc) the newer arrivals are not settling in as previous groups had.

Australians should be tolerant of cultural diversity. This would be a good change for Australians to make, not a bad one.

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good point exportexpert-plenty of social problems wherever; but your whip of numbers surely must be highlighting the prosperity thatd be good for all

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illsayit

my nation too cletus. while recent immigrants may not be to your taste, if they could spend their money where the people are instead of upholding your style of govt, then we could stop the false pretense of democracy and actually become one.

Well if as you claim you live in Australia then you would realise how ridiculous your statements sound.

Lets see you want to have 10 km of strip along the coast taken away and dedicated for farming. MMM maybe you realise not all things like salty air and ground. And maybe you realise that the area you are talking has the highest population density (between 10-100 people per sq km) while inland (its less than 0.1 to 1 person per sq km). So what will you do with all those you displace? You want open immigration. If you where in Australia you would realise that we have just come out of a massive drought where major cities nearly ran out of drinking water and some towns and regions actually did. And you want MORE people. Yeah thats logical. You talk about my style of government! Its our style of government and it has been since federation. But you want to throw all that away to please the new arrivals. MMM ok.

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What goes around comes around. Time for whites to be the minority.

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I would be more than happy to adapt to the Australian way of life. Half of my family are there, I used to live there, and I had a fabulous time, and still do every time we visit the rellies. Fabulous place. I know like anywhere else it has its problems, but I love it there. Trouble is, dont think Australia would have ME!!! :( !

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Good for those in Oz and NZ who question their present immigration policies. At the most liberal, they should only accept immigrants who are non-Asian, at the most conservative, they should only accept immigrants from an Anglo-Celtic background. The levels of Asian racism towards Maoris and island people in Auckland is really embarrassing and borders on the criminal, and South Auckland is fast looking like Islamabad.

People are not racists because of their race. People are racists because they're racists.

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So long as they can send them to terraform the middle barren lands, there shouldn't be a problem with sharing space!

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Pft... Australians themselves are immigrants.

That's where you're wrong my friend. We're convicts lol :D

This article is the same old same old. Typical aussies don't want more people who are different to them. We have slowly become a melting cultural pot which is made up of mostly asians, indonesians and caucasians from the united kingdom - which in my opinion is good.

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Time for whites to be the minority.

No thank you. Things are fine just as they are.

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Typical aussies don't want more people who are different to them.

I feel sorry for the aborigines. they were the original ozzies and look at them now.

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I feel sorry for the aborigines. they were the original ozzies and look at them now.

Agreed, however the same can be said for nearly all indigenous natives.. look at the american indians.. or the eskimo colonies in alaska .. etc etc.

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I feel sorry for the aborigines. they were the original ozzies and look at them now.

No different sadly from almost all indigenous populations the world over that have had their lands colonized. Check out the tale of the poor Ainu of Northern Japan for another example. However as indigenous leaders in Australia and other nations are telling their mob - get off the grog and the drugs and don't rely solely on welfare, and your lives will improve.

I wouldn't place too much value on this tabloid news survey. Most Aussies are from immigrant families and wish to continue sensible levels of skilled immigration. The fact is we are an immigrant nations and NEED to import immigrants to do jobs Aussies just won't do ie manual work etc. Compared to just about anywhere else in the world, race relations are relatively smooth in Aus - remarkable for one of the most multicultural joints on earth.

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they were the original ozzies and look at them now.

They would be better off taking a good look at themselves.

NEED to import immigrants to do jobs Aussies just won't do ie manual work etc.

Show me some jobs Aussies wont do.

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I bet the native Australian aborigineas are just laughing their asses off as they pound away nice cold Foster's beer and putting more shrimp on the barby with a bit of fresh bush meat on the side.

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Cletus

Immigration in the past always worked because the people coming tried to fit in while still maintaining their identity and bringing something to the nation. THat has changed now and the new breed of immigrants bring their hangups and grudges from their home country while expecting us as a nation to change to suit them.

What are you talking about?! What are you basing this crude, sweeping generalization on? This has been the sad and unfortunate song of the anti-immigration set for 60 years and probably longer in Australia - first levelled at the Eastern and Southern Europeans that came here after WW2, then the Vietnamese, then the Lebanese and now the Africans, Iraqis and Afghanis. It is a complete load of crap. These people work extremely hard to assimilate in a country full of people who can't see fit to give them a fair go despite the conditions they have endured in their life. In fact, here in Western Australia, many of the shrinking wheat farming communities are asking for the new immigrants from places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be settled in them because they find them to be extremely hard working, greatful to be given the chance to work and very keen to get involved in their new community. They see them as potential saviours of these dying towns because of their willingness to assimilate. Immigration IS the story of Australia and Australia is a true melting pot in every sense of the word - our immigration is one of the greatest things about our nation. The idea of us and them is completely misguided, Cletus. And saying they bring their problems with them is the oldest and lamest argument there is.

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Any country who has 20-25% in crease in population through immigration in a short period of time is going to suffer social issues , specially if a large portion of those new immigrants dont want to intergrate and want to continue to live with very different values, this is happneing in australia and also in NZ which has had roughly a 30-35% increase in population through immigration in the last 10 years.

Having just returned frorm a recent trip to NZ it is glaringly obvious the change mass immigration has had on the country specifically auckland, and imagine and hear it's very simmilar in aussie.

Economic growth and other benefits come with immigration in many cases but perhaps it needs to be managed alittle better as the social cost can be tremendous. And perhaps without sounding racist the immigrants need to be able to assimulate alittle better.

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Its reasonable for both Aussies and Kiwis to continue their current policies of accepting skilled migrants regardless of race/culture (especially in shortage areas.) Restricting entry by Asylum seekers is a fair policy for Australia and New Zealand who both value their current way of life and cultural makeup.

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I'm pretty sure that aboriginals would fully support kicking out all the immigrants who for 200 years have been taking their stuff and giving the country a bad name.

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A lot of people comparing talking about race relations in NZ and Australia in the same breath here too - has NZ actually fallen that far? For the record, NZ has at no time ever counted its indigenous population among animal surveys instead of population censuses.

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"Who will do the work that the Australians won't do?" Sounds like the USA.

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Readers, the subject is Australia, not New Zealand. Please stay on topic.

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too many people in that huge island? need more pubs is what they need

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"Who will do the work that the Australians won't do?" Sounds like the USA.

Maybe that is true in the USA, it isnt in Australia.

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Increase wages, cut the handouts, offer some useful training and immigration won`t be required for awhile.

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Thunderbird2

Actually, Australia is about 25% smaller than Europe (the official definition of Europe anyway), but unfortunately most of the land is desert so the places where you can live comfortably Down Under are limited.

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Very, very sad too see the majority of a nation's citizens think this way. All aussies should be hanging their heads in shame.

RR

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For such a "nature" loving country, they still refuse to live with fellow human beings, hilarious!

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I don't get these polls. Australia has 23 million people. How can you question 2,000 of them and make such broad assumptions? How was the poll conducted? Did it poll people in the country, just in cities, just in a certain demographic or even political group? It's incredibly irresponsible, and rather just plain stupid to make the statement that half of all Australians want an end to immigration based upon this kind of idiotic polling.

It's quite easy to take the moral high ground and state that the peoples of the world should be allowed freedom to move wherever they want and have the advantage that nation or society offers. It's quite another for the nation receiving these immigrants to have the funding and infrastructure to do so. Immigration used to mean coming to another country to find opportunity and make the most of that opportunity. Now it is more a vehicle of fleeing something rather than affecting change in one's own country. Taking the poor and unskilled from one nation and dropping them into another where you can add the problems of language and cultural identity and it will mostly never end in good.

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They don't want none euro immigrants is the real story

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For such a "nature" loving country, they still refuse to live with fellow human beings, hilarious!

I realise this is probably a troll, but wouldn't loving nature be exactly why you would keep nature-destroying human beings out?

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To all people here:

It's just a Tabloid. They can come up with a survey that 99.99% of Australians are against immigration. Since it is a tabloid and how the questions were ask could Influence their answers, anything can make the answers skewed. Just to give you an example, check out TokyoReporter, and you'll understand what I mean.

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It interesting now that this poll has been conducted the same newspaper is running an open online poll asking if immigration should be stopped completely and the results so far are 13257 say yes and 6366 are saying no. So l guess even when a bigger pool are polled the results are similar.

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I am sure most Aussies, of any color are good dinkum, just a few hill billies pretending to be KKK?? Neo Nazis?

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It interesting now that this poll has been conducted the same newspaper is running an open online poll asking if immigration should be stopped completely and the results so far are 13257 say yes and 6366 are saying no. So l guess even when a bigger pool are polled the results are similar.

Interesting only for the fact that it highlights how narrow minded and short sighted people who read tabloid newspapers really are. Don't try for one second to imply that this is a fair and reasonable representation of what the broader Australian community thinks about this issue, Cletus.

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it also doesnt higlight how controlled the media is there, and how much rubbish has been fed the avergae Australian. Cletus you sounded so smart talking about salty land. Get real the salt pretty much stays in the water, but hey there is plenty, and I mean plenty of seafood available, and untouched. And then you go on about all the people being crowded on the strip of land I suggested, well lets see there is some around Sydney, a few clusters along the coast to the Gold Coast. Which despite it being well-known isnt even the size of Chiba. Then along to Brisbane, which is smaller again. further north of there is basically nothing until Townsville and Cairns and them combined havent got Yokohama proportions yet, maybe Ishinomaki(after the tsunami). But lets head south from Sydney to Melbourne, umm well Id place Melbourne on the south side of Australia, so yepp besides a few clusters, NOTHING. And of course I am only referring to the 10km strip because most those clusters of towns dont even get in 5km worth. But you could be generous and say 20km inland, or is that too much generosity for you. And now lets calculate how long that coast is, um what like 6000km give or take, and then times it by 2 for the west coast......Algebra, it's called. While I agree that there has and is animosity amongst the immigrants lately, as always. When I meet a pom that doesnt tell me who they think is the best prime minister for Australia, as if they live and know there because they play their pinball money there, THEN, I will stop saying pom.

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And Im not talking displacing-Im saying let the people live and work there. You can go sit outback in the dunny and try and grow some cows out there-no drought now is there.

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illsayit

Cletus you sounded so smart talking about salty land. Get real the salt pretty much stays in the water, but hey there is plenty, and I mean plenty of seafood available, and untouched.

Um lm sorry illsayit but you are wrong. You claim to be in Australia l think not. If you really had an understanding you would realise that salt from the sea and the beach also gets in the air and can build up in the ground which happens all the time on coastal land. I could give you plenty of examples but why bother. Needless to say answer me this why then is most fruit and vegetable growing in Australia done inland from the coast? Heres a hint its because of the soil type. Maybe you should look it up.

And then you go on about all the people being crowded on the strip of land I suggested, well lets see there is some around Sydney, a few clusters along the coast to the Gold Coast. Which despite it being well-known isnt even the size of Chiba. Then along to Brisbane, which is smaller again. further north of there is basically nothing until Townsville and Cairns and them combined havent got Yokohama proportions yet, maybe Ishinomaki(after the tsunami). But lets head south from Sydney to Melbourne, umm well Id place Melbourne on the south side of Australia, so yepp besides a few clusters, NOTHING. And of course I am only referring to the 10km strip because most those clusters of towns dont even get in 5km worth. But you could be generous and say 20km inland, or is that too much generosity for you. And now lets calculate how long that coast is, um what like 6000km give or take, and then times it by 2 for the west coast......Algebra, it's called.

Goto laugh Illsayit, you claim to be Australian and you claim to be in Australia yet you dont even know the make up of your own country. If you did you would realise that 80% of Australians live by the coast. That is from the coastline up to 100 km inland. And you want to take 20 km of that away. So where exactly do you expect the majority of the population to then move to? Oh and what is 80% of 22 million? Because that is called maths. Its amusing you say that between Sydney and Melbourne there is very little on the coast. Never been that way have you? Maybe try picking up a map of Australia.

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sydney has many of the same crime problems to be found in oslo and malmo.

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The term original inhabitants really pisses me off! For Australia there are no original human inhabitants. The only original inhabitants are of the African continent. As that I believe is the current thinking of the origin of Human beings.

Sure the Aboriginals were the first settlers of Australia. Does that allow an aboriginal to be treated any different to any other person born in Australia given all other factors are equal, I don't think so.

Compared with soils in the Northern Hemisphere, Australian soils have less organic matter and poor structure and tend to be quite clayey just below the surface, which restricts drainage and impedes root growth. Some of the clay characteristics cause problems for engineering and farming because of their 'shrink and swell' nature.

Australian soils mirror the continent's great age and consequently are products of environmental conditions throughout history (climate, organisms, topography, parent material and time). This means that large areas are affected by salt and have various nutrient and physical limitations for plant growth and agriculture.

The agricultural landscapes of Australia support a great range of soils. Most are ancient, strongly weathered and infertile. Others are younger and more fertile. This variety along with the natural limitations of many soils and their interactions with climate, have made it difficult to develop sustainable systems for agriculture. Limitations to productivity have also been induced through human impacts on soils. While some forms of degradation such as nutrient deficiencies can be corrected, others, such as soil erosion, are difficult to remedy.

It seems obvious that soil type and properties should be fundamental in determining land use, particularly in agriculture. To some extent, this is true - a characteristic of the Australian landscape is that uncleared areas in the agricultural zone are often areas with poor soils. In practice, though, many other factors control agricultural land use - for example climate, water supply and proximity to markets. Areas with soils which are not highly suitable for agriculture are likely to be farmed if other factors are favourable.

In some cases, soil limitations can be managed - for example, application of fertilisers to soils of low fertility, and use of conservation farming techniques on soils with high erodibility. However, inappropriate land use is the major driving factor in land degradation. A better understanding of the distribution of land use relative to soil type is crucial in designing and implementing sustainable land use systems.

Agriculture occupies 60 percent of the land area of Australia, but much of this is used for open-range cattle grazing, especially in huge areas of the states of Queensland and Western Australia. Only 5 percent of Australia’s agricultural land is used for growing crops.

Western Australia and New South Wales have the largest areas of cropland. The limited area suitable for growing commercial crops is limited mainly by climate, because Australia is the world’s driest continent.

Annual rainfall of about 20 inches (500 millimeters) is necessary to grow crops successfully without irrigation; less than half of Australia receives this amount, and the rainfall is often variable or unreliable.

Years of drought may be followed by severe flooding. High temperatures throughout most of Australia also mean high evaporation rates, so rainfall figures alone are not a good guide to the feasibility of agriculture.

The population of Australia is estimated to be 22,911,870 as of 22 May 2012. Australia is the 50th most populous country in the world. Its population is concentrated mainly in urban areas and is expected to exceed 28 million by 2030.

Australia has scarcely more than two persons per square kilometre of total land area. With 89% of its population living in urban areas, Australia is one of the world's most urbanised countries.

You still want to move people away from the Australian coast for farm land?

Sure with time and money anything is possible! Let's put people in the outback, in the Sierra and other deserts, Siberia and both Arctic's. While we're at it lets chop down the Amazon and place a million or so there...

It would be better if we could fix the reasons why people want to or need to leave the country they were born in. Instead of accepting immigration. How much harder can that be ???

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Pretty shocking numbers.

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Australia, overly populated, that is funny. Japan - 143,619 sq mi - 127,450,459 Australia - 2,967,909 sq mi - 22,328,800 China - 3,705,842 sq mi - 1,347,350,000 US - 3,717,792 sq mi - 311,591,917 Europe - 3.930,000 sq mi - 731,000,000

Doesn't look over populated to me and China has a large area of desert and the US has a large are of desert and tundra that has more than 12,745,767. (AZ, NV, UT, AK) As for people living in the desert... Eqypt has a population of 81,121,077. Seems like Australia is under populated by at least 10 times.

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@state broken people That I didn't know. The problem is so visible but yet it's "racist" to say how to deal with it. I feel bad for Australia. This would never happen to Japan because they are smart enough not to let in everyone.

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@TigermothII

I guess you have never taken statistics classes. If you have, you would know that 2000 is a large enough samples that give you correct data with very little variance. Have you ever wondered how TV networks can tell who won an election with only 1% confirmed results ?

If you doubt this statstics becuase of the sample size, then there is NO statstics that you can rely on, zero. Do you think there is any legitimate stats that got results from all the population ?

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cletus, you must be talking about the Gong. After that as I said a few clusters-you were talking between Sydney and Melbourne right? And of course you didnt mention the other whole half up north, where land is very fertile. I would also restate that I said in the ocean too-great fishing down the south coast. But have you ever noticed how regulated it is? And there is no fishing unless you own a license that only Chinese could afford. Let people in ,but not letting people who would work seems silly. And Bega is quite fertile or havent you noticed. Of course fertile issues are nothing that a couple of chooks shatting around here and there couldnt deal with. But have you noticed how illegal it is to have chickens yet? Of course a rooster named David had to turn up, and pull out some figures which sound as if he knows what he is talking about, but notice all that he wrote led to Australia being over-populated? Poor guy has probably never been in a plane yet. He sounds so smart and still hasnt had the money to fly, that is a poor devious nation that he must be living in that has pulled the wool over his eyes. Sorry cletus I am Australian. One Australian who hasnt bought into the propaganda that is slammed dunked into the area they call down under-and be warned there is more from where I come from. And that is why you dont want immigrants because they see the obvious and also dont buy into the run of your mill. They also havent caught onto that Australia being Australia, like those damn poms, can say and speak as if they are Australian. Why cant Australia have open borders, why is there closed ones is more the question really. The Poms own Autralia still!!! Get them out and open the borders.There is room enough in Australia for your attitude and mine, but the laws ofthe land are not that way, and if you insist on being right, you will be wrong. Have a nice day.

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illsayit

cletus, you must be talking about the Gong. After that as I said a few clusters-you were talking between Sydney and Melbourne right? And of course you didnt mention the other whole half up north, where land is very fertile.

Huh, a few little clusters hey..... You are forgetting towns like Eden, Batemans Bay, Nowra, Ulladulla, Narooma, Bermagui, to name but a few south of Sydney. One other minor detail you are overlooking there. Have you EVER been down this particular stretch of coast? I think not because if you had you would realise most of it is National park and in heavily forested and hilly land. Yeah really great land for growing crops hey!!. Here is a suggestion for you, try actually looking these places up before making comments. Just because it looks green on Google earth dont mean its good for farming.

I would also restate that I said in the ocean too-great fishing down the south coast. But have you ever noticed how regulated it is? And there is no fishing unless you own a license that only Chinese could afford.

Um try again there. A commercial fishing licence in NSW will set you back $40,000 which is about the cost of a car. And the reason they have cut down and regulated the commercial fishing is to protect the fish stocks close to shore. Which is why the government doesnt issue them anymore and you can only buy out someone who already has one. However recreational licences are a different matter and anyone (yes anyone) can get on for the massive cost of $75 for 3 years. Oh how can ANYONE AFFORD that!!!!! Thats right a whopping $75 and it will last you 3 years. Wow us Aussie must be poor if only the chinese can afford this....

Let people in ,but not letting people who would work seems silly.

Why when there are plenty of unemployed Australians. Why bring in more people to take jobs. That is just plain silly

And Bega is quite fertile or havent you noticed. Of course fertile issues are nothing that a couple of chooks shatting around here and there couldnt deal with.

Funny Bega is more than 10km inland, you said up to 10 km. And what is between Bega and the coast? Hills and bushland (loads of forest and trees) again not good cropping land. And yes it is fertile for DAIRY CATTLE.... Didnt you realise that? And havent you noticed most farming on coastal plains is dairy cattle or beef cattle, now why would that be i wonder???? Could it be the land, the soil, and the moister that contains salt sea air???? Hmm l wonder.

But have you noticed how illegal it is to have chickens yet?

Um really? I guess l had better get rid of my 40 layers and 25 meat chooks, 4 ducks and 3 roosters then if they are illegal as you claim. LOL. Some councils in metropolitan areas dont allow them. Others do but not roosters, and others allow all types. So your wide sweeping generalisation is well incorrect.

Of course a rooster named David had to turn up, and pull out some figures which sound as if he knows what he is talking about, but notice all that he wrote led to Australia being over-populated? Poor guy has probably never been in a plane yet. He sounds so smart and still hasnt had the money to fly, that is a poor devious nation that he must be living in that has pulled the wool over his eyes.

Sorry but he makes much more logical sense than your argument. And you claim to be an Australian which lm beginning to doubt more and more.

Sorry cletus I am Australian. One Australian who hasnt bought into the propaganda that is slammed dunked into the area they call down under-and be warned there is more from where I come from.

MMM im guessing Broadmeadows or Redfern? Which is it.....

Why cant Australia have open borders, why is there closed ones is more the question really.

Let me ask you this. How is 150,000+ immigrants a year having closed borders. Really dude how? At that rate every 8 years or so we add 1 million people to our country. And you call that closed. Just out of curiosity if you call Australia's borders closed what would you call Japans?

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cletus dude-you just named all the suburbs of the south coast. You still havent talked about anything beyond that 100-200km worth. And your wide sweeping claims about licensing for chickens and fish, is very tunnel-visioned.(Like as if you only know your locality, and as if that is true for most of Australia, when indeed it is the opposite) But thank you for pointing out how fertile them wooded lands are. But I must say the fishing you are be misleading when you talk only about one type of fishing license. And private fishing??? What good is that for? Everybody pay tonnes of taxes so that we can all go fishing in our spare time in order that we can eat some nice fish every now and again that hasnt been taken from Autsralian waters sent to Thailand and packaged there and shipped back to Australia nd sold as ....wait for it!....."fresh"!!!!! And like you mentioned it is so regulated about the licensing that they arent handing out anymore anyways, which just up the price on the license that I own. Selling it at the auctions surely draws in them big bidders.(I mean the Chinese with money who can afford to be out of China) And besides that your seafood cuisine experience must be limited. And what is it now, when you mention Redfern? That's Australia right? Have a slight judgemental problem do we? The Jones and the.....Harrisons?(Or down under we call it the Pom attitude) Now get out of that pocket of Australia, stop feeding off everybody elses spoon fed information to you about it, and well if you dont mind me saying, pull out a map yourself and look at the small piece of land you are talking about. Again this poll and article is nothing but propaganda by those who would control and dictate to the rest of the population to save their own hides. Really they should see that the world is big enough for everybody, but almost like a soviet styled upbringing their pride stops them from doing the right thing. Honestly, I hope that we can see eye to eye on this, it is not worth all this degrading talk, but, Im sorry I cant sit back and let it all be misleading too.

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