Half of Britons support a second vote on Brexit, poll finds

No surprise there.

What on earth is the BBC doing giving the war criminal Blair airtime?

Right after the vote last year, they found a lot of people who voted to Brexit had done so thinking it would never go through, as a statement. Then they were shocked that it actually happened. So I can actually see the value in a re-vote.

Blair working for this is enough to put me off.   And its not like polls have been that accurate of late.

Right after the vote last year, they found a lot of people who voted to Brexit had done so thinking it would never go through, as a statement. Then they were shocked that it actually happened. So I can actually see the value in a re-vote.

 A few Brits I know also told me the same thing. I think a re-vote with minimum participation % requirements would be a sensible idea.

The people voted and what they expected does not appear to be what they got. Might be a legitimate do over.

Ah, the old EU playbook again. The plebs voted the wrong way... so lets just repeat the vote, until we get them to vote correctly, and then it is final.

And the corporate fake media are fully on board with this, unsurprisingly.

The 'Remain' campaign (Britain Stronger in Europe) needs Blair's intervention like a hole in the head. The man toxic.

Blair actually confirmed he is working to reverse Brexit.

The irony, had Blair not so foolishly agreed to cut UK budget rebate, costing the economy £8.9billion, then perhaps Theresa May would not be attempting the political equivalent of trying to get blood out of a stone.

BS don't trust the biased media. We (the vast majority of the UK citizens) do not need the EU. Leave the UK people and UK government to make it's own rules, laws, policies and trade agreements.

No need for the 'undemocratic' and 'unelected' overpaid EU bureaucrats telling us what we can and cannot do. Their only interest is to befriend the wealthy and big businesses.

If the fools who voted to remain, printed a true side-by-side advantages 'vs' disadvantages comparison for Brexit (i.e. on how it effects the common people majority), they would see how delusional they are.

Don't listen to the elite super-rich who control big business and the media. They are biased and poor losers, who cannot accept that they lost. Now, like spoiled little children they are having a hissy fit because they didn't get what they wanted.

I wouold still vote for Brexit a second time around. Fifty billion pounds to pay now, once, versus who know how much if we stay in the corrupt club? It's a no-brainer.

The same pollsters who told us right before the Brexit vote that was sure to be rejected?

Yeah, I believe them.

"It's reversible. It's not done until it's done," he said."When the facts change, I think people are entitled to change their mind."

All the facts were out before the vote, so no. The people decided to trust politicians who were lying about about what they intended to do with all the money they would "save", and were stupid enough to believe that exiting the EU would prevent terrorism. Should have thought all about this a little better !

Don't come crying when your economy is stagnant, you didn't get a raise in years, and you lost Scotland and Northern Ireland.

I was once a staunch opponent of Brexit, but it seems that there might be a silver lining- CANZUK. A union between the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Canzuk would be a better deal for the UK than remaining in the EU. But if Canzuk is not going to happen, then remaining in the EU would be a better deal than going at it alone. However, I do believe that Canzuk is a better option. This is becoming evident as well with Canada and the US at loggerheads over NAFTA. That deal also looks as if its going to the dogs.

I would like to see the UK leave the EU without a deal, Canada pull out of NAFTA without a deal, have the 4 Canzuk nations unite as a single bloc and then renegociate their trade deals with the US and the EU. That would give them much more barganing power. Both the US and the EU would take Canzuk alot more seriously than just the UK or Canada respectively. Canzuk is a better deal for the UK than returning to the EU.

http://www.canzukinternational.com/latestnews

strangerland

Right after the vote last year, they found a lot of people who voted to Brexit had done so thinking it would never go through, as a statement. Then they were shocked that it actually happened. So I can actually see the value in a re-vote.

100% correct sir!

A full debate as to what will happen and when. No BS...how much it's going to cost. Many other things that should have been made clear...PRIOR TO THE VOTE!

Who votes on something they know nothing about?

If the leave folk vote the same way, they will have nothing to fear from a new vote.

Many voted on a spurious immigration policy that was never going to work.

I would also vote Brexit again. I don't think there should be another referendum though. Ireland had the same thing happen to them. They voted against the Lisbon treaty and the EU didn't like the outcome. The EU then told them to have another referendum. The EU then poured insane amounts of money into the campaigning to swing the vote. It wasn't fair in the slightest.

The EU is demanding around 50-60 billion Euros to merely begin talking about trade. This bill doesn't guarantee a trade deal, it just allows the UK and EU to talk about trade. The EU claim that this figure is the amount that the UK owes from agreements and commitments it signed up to. If that is the case, why haven't they provided an itemised break down of the total amount?

They can't becase it is a made-up figure.

Leave now with no deal. Go to WTO trade rules. The £80 billion surplus will pay more than enough for any differences. If the EU decide to start charging tariffs, that will also work out in the UK's favour. That'll be an extra £10 billion in addition to the £80 billion annually.

Funny ! some of the posters on here have already made their own Brexit and have not become fully aware of their own individual circumstances by living outside Britain.

Cosmos1

That IS exactly my worry. How will any break away affect me personally?

Right now, things are sweet and don't need no mending.

So I can actually see the value in a re-vote

This is the most liberal left wing news I've ever seen. Let me see if I get this right. You have a vote, tell everyone that it is a 1 time vote, don't get the results you like, have another vote.

Wait a minute, I need to correct my original first sentence. This the most Orwellian news speak I've ever seen.

Why not just simply rule by decree? Waste a lot of time with these meaningless votes.

Cosmos1

That IS exactly my worry.

Sorry, I can not hijack the tread by going off on a different tangent

1) Hold a rash referendum to appease your own political party

2) Run a horribly condescending Remain campaign

3) Make a complete balls up of the subsequent exit negotiations

4) Blame the people who voted to leave

5) Disregard their vote to leave

6) Return to step 1)

The people voted and what they expected does not appear to be what they got. Might be a legitimate do over.

I find the 'oh but voters didn't really know what they were getting into so lets vote again" claims childish and laughable. Are you guys serious!? "oh but our pollies deceived us, let's re-vote'. That's politics 101, happens in all countries at all elections I.e pollies trying to convince ignorant/gullible voters they're the best for the job. THIS is what politics is, unfortunately, all about! Are brexiteers telling us they didn't know pollies don't always tell the truth nor do what they say they were gonna do?! Really?

Perso I think worming their way back into good ol' EU through a re-vote would weaken UK's position in Europe (if that's possible). They'd be the laughing stock of Europe and would have to listen/do what they're told. Find something else (something "honourable', something that comes from both sides perhaps, to save face etc).

Perso, I wanted them to stay, they chose to leave, fine, get on with it.

@willib The plebs voted the wrong way... so lets just repeat the vote, until we get them to vote correctly, and then it is final.

For sure this is a messy situation. But then democracy is often messy. Still, democratic governments are preferable to the authoritarian regimes found in Russia, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and North Korea.

Let the UK voters shape their futures and select the approach that best serves their needs.

cosmos1

Sorry, I can not hijack the tread by going off on a different tangent

Thought about this...no idea what you mean.

Peace bud.

Maybe we can have a referendum on whether to have another referendum on leaving the EU.

The imcomptetnt, self-serving idiots in the Tory party seem to like dragging the electorate to the polls.

The majority voted out. I wasn’t part of the majority. Boo-bloody-hoo. Get on with doing what the majority voted for with a bit of competence.

Democracy...50% agree, 50% disagree. Only half are happy.

Democracy...50% agree, 50% disagree. Only half are happy.

Not quite. Of those who voted, 52% were happy and 48% were not happy.

A vital detail.

If the EU decide to start charging tariffs, that will also work out in the UK's favour. That'll be an extra £10 billion in addition to the £80 billion annually. wont work in UK favour as many of the factory jobs will be lost to the EU, further hollowing out industry in the UK and reducing wage and company taxes. over the long term the UK will suffer under Brexit. Majority of UK exports go to the EU only about 15% of EU exports go to the UK, so they clearly have the trading advantage.

Blair cannot seem to come tto terms withe the referendum result.

A symposium held in London (BOE) through October/November to assess/quantify/make head or tail, of/for future UK 'passporting' arrangements.

Oversight for an agreed payment and settlement systems, a key aspect for the stability and efficiency for the financial sectors of all 28 member states , the  euro area economy as a whole has descended into a farce.

EU 27 and UK Politicians of all shapes and sizes brought their toys with them  to throw off the table, then pick up and launch across the floor again. Seriously all 28 have a appetite for destruction

@wtfjapan

Most of the manufacturing industry has been moved out from the UK by the EU. The vast majority of factory jobs that are still in the UK now will not move to the EU. This is because companies will look at the cost of moving to an EU country and weigh up whether it's worth it. Then they'll also have to consider the cost of selling products back into the UK with tariffs. Meanwhile, the UK can afford to give those companies tax compensation and attract more companies to move into the UK. The EU doesn't want this because the UK would become like Singapore, but in Europe. Also, 44% of UK exports is worth around 220 billion, 15% of EU exports is 300 billion. We know the EU can't afford to lose this money.

 The vast majority of factory jobs that are still in the UK now will not move to the EU. sorry wrong again, Toyota and Honda have clearly stated tariffs of 10% would be too expensive for them to do business in the UK, also the UK custom clearances would delay the movement of parts / supply chains many of which are made in the EU. these delays will cause long term losses to manufacturers in the UK. While many manufacturers will probably stay in the UK to supply the UK market its most likely many will build additional factories in the EU and make those goods in the EU to avoid the tariffs and supply chain delays, meaning jobs will leave the UK for the EU, most respected economist see this happening should tariffs be introduced. Even the UK financial sector is predicting long term losses, http://cfmsurvey.org/surveys/brexit-potential-financial-catastrophe-and-long-term-consequences-uk-financial-sector

Actually, the EU are well rid of the UK. A third world country still behaving like it's a key player in world affairs. It's not.

No to a second referendum.

I support a second vote primarily due to the abject lies that were told, particularly by the leave campaign.

Now people have a better gauge of the potential costs and benefits they can make a more informed decision rather than one based on a steamy pile of BS.

Blair might be a warmonger, but he is spot on in this regard.

Blair’s goal is europenian president. It’s slipping away...

A deal settlement could well amount to little more than a fool's errand for the UK and also EU 27.

Cold harsh logic, must give way to political reasoning. The EU 27 cannot give quarter to a successful  UK future trading partnership...... or others will follow suit.

The UK could move towards regulatory divergence, allowing future economic remodelling. The numbers crunched at the symposium indicated  the UK  total contribution to the EU budget for 2016/7 is close to £15.9billion. UK receives about 7 billion Euros, split between agricultural and regional subsidies There is a potential  5/7 % gap in total EU budget. A transition is the best fudge.... kick the can at least eighteen months down the road.

Yeah, can't wait to see the NHS get all that money every week, as promised.

Yeah, can't wait to see the NHS get all that money every week, as promised.

Why wouldn't it? The allocation is a budgetary issue, determined by the cabinet of a sovereign nation. Britain's NHS is funded in pounds, a currency Britain has the sole authority to issue. Can't say the same about the funding restraints imposed on Greece, Spain and few others. LOL.

Remoaners seem to be believe they have psychic powers. Which is rich, considering their visions of "financial Armageddon" and "massive capital outflows" turned out to be pure fiction. So who was lying to the public, after all, eh?

Those who are against a second referendum are those who support Brexit. It's clear that they are only against the referendum as they are afraid their side will lose. If you are confident you will win you would not be against any number of referenda.

@Scrote

Of course! And if in the second referendum we get the same result we can have a third. If it's 52% remain, we'll have to do another because you know, 52%.

It has to be a Hard exit anything else will end up with the Brits asking what did they vote for - other than perhaps the money to Bail out Greece again, and to line the pockets of the EuroCats....

I think the timing of another General Election over the prospect of a second referendum is a more pertinent question.

It appears the early optimism for all 28 EU member states to reach agreement this week in Brussels is unravelling.    

Northern Ireland/EU and UK citizens'  rights/even an agreement formula for a financial settlement is slipping out of view.

The poisonous anonymous leaks and press briefings are causing irreparable damage to the entire process of negotiation

And the DUP have shown precisely why they are not suitable partners in the May government. Kudos to the Irish Government for their patience in these difficult times.

And the DUP have shown precisely why they are not suitable partners in the May government

Still no explanation of why a Saudi Prince gave them £425,622 through an intermediary for pro-Leave propaganda?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/what-connects-brexit-the-dup-dark-money-and-a-saudi-prince-1.3083586

How much more black money was used to swing the vote? How much did Robert Mercer and his intermediaries spend?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/26/us-billionaire-mercer-helped-back-brexit

The Brexit vote is tainted. How can it stand when it's clear that foreign agents spent vast sums on illegally influencing the outcome?

Have the three Brexiteers gone to ground? 

The silence from Johnson, Gove, and Fox could be described as deafening.

Whoever is responsible for stealing Prime Minster Theresa May and Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker lunch, an instinctive suspicion points in the direction of one or more purveyors of one nation conservatism.

The silence from Johnson, Gove, and Fox could be described as deafening.

It helps to be a little bit informed before offering your esteemed opinion

"Boris Johnson and Michael Gove lead Cabinet revolt against Theresa May over fears she is forcing a soft Brexit" (Dec. 5, 2017)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/05/brexit-deal-chaos-theresa-may-warned-will-face-leadership-challenge/

Hi JeffLee, I was under the impression that the source was a briefing to imply opposition to Theresa May tactics .

Without any knowledge of/to Oliver Robbins briefing Davis, Gove, and Johnson attended, it is difficult to know whether this is factually accurate.

My opnion, unesteemed, is UK governmant should treat this phase until March 2019 as a transition, and prepare business accordingly.