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© Thomson Reuters 2024.Harris calls Trump cemetery visit disrespectful, political stunt
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Peter Neil
i think there will be more fallout than the media thinks. plenty of veterans voicing anger on social media, as they should.
the radical, far-right extremists who defend the indefensible are going not going to win this.
Underworld
I've seen Trump try every which way to blame someone else for this massive PR blunder. He even tried to blame the White House!
Make no mistake, whatever the families say, it was the Trump campaign that used footage of the off-limits part of Arlington as a campaign ad. No excuses.
Peter Neil
votevets, a pac of 1.8 million veterans who support democracy, national security and support for veterans programs just came out with a scathing rebuke and ads denouncing trump. they've had enough of his nonsense.
so should the undecided and decent americans.
the radical, far-right extremists are only loud. that's all they got.
Yrral
Their nothing redeeming about Trump,
John
He really is a scumbag.
Using American war dead, or as he calls them, “suckers and losers”, for a campaign photo-op….
In violation of Federal law…..
In spite of being told that it’s forbidden by an authority….
Then his goons assault her….
And then claims she was mentally disturbed…
AND THEN, overdubs music and lies and puts it on tic-toc with the graves of other families’ loved ones clearly visible.
Where was he the years he wasn’t running for election?
A “spontaneous request” where he just happened to have a camera crew at the ready.
SMILES AND GIVES A THUMBS UP, IN A CEMETERY.
An absolute scumbag narcissist.
John
You get kopecks for this or is that just when you serve as Putin’s prostate massager?
dagon
So does Trump support the people in uniform or are the officials saying Trump and his staff's conduct was improper deep-state Marxists with connections to Harris?
Gen. Kelly too?
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-medal-of-honor/index.html
Banthu
So why is Harris using this issue as part of her attacks on Trump, which by definition are part of her campaign.
If this issue shouldn't be political, don't make it as such and call Trump directly and tell him you think he made a mistake.
Why is Harris bringing this up in public in front of the cameras?
She wants to gain political points from this.
ok1517
The draft dodging,
military insulting
cheating
dividing
instigating
con man
using the sacred grounds of Arlington for yet another PR stunt!
Disgusting, all it is!
Simon Foston
Hard to argue the visit wasn't a political activity, then.
Never mind what the "msm," the Harris campaign or "the left" say, then. I take the army's version of events over anything coming out of the Trump campaign.
EastmannToday 06:41 am JST
You realise you could also be describing some Trump supporters.
JohnToday 06:57 am JST
I'm really not sure what kind of message that was supposed to send. I don't see it happen very often in a cemetry.
dagon
Yes politicians should never bring it up in the press when their rival's conduct is criticized by officials of their government.
Which countries politics are done like that? Methinks might be authoritarian ones.
Underworld
Banthu
"It is a solemn place; a place where we come together to honor American heroes who have made the ultimate sacrifice in service of this nation. It is not a place for politics," Harris wrote in an X post.
Her criticism doesn't used the images in question.
Taking videos/photos and using them in your campaign is disrespectful. Criticizing it isn't.
Trump knows he made a mistake, so why continue to use the images in his campaign?
Harris being in front of cameras isn't disrespectful.
For sure. That's good. Big L for Trump.
Bob Fosse
You arguing with yourself.
sunfunbun
Partly. The thing you fail to understand is Harris is pointing out Trump's view that the military personnel who died for America are losers. Those POW's who are captured and tortured are losers. It's just saying this person, who disses the military routinely should not be using Arlington as his photo op/video promotion site, and he's doing it without respect for sacred areas because he can't understand why he, Don Old, cannot do whatever he wants(the juvenile privileged jerk he is).
The political part Trump should not be president is because she's running against him and he's making blunders that she points out for gain, but it's hardly something she shouldn't bring up and Trump sets it all up by being the negative lying person he is, as he's lost control of what is acceptable and what is not, due to his narcissism and loss of cognitive sensibility. Plus, oh yes, already said, he's a jerk.
Eugene
Biden was filmed in the exact same area 60 in 2021 but I guess that is okay.
Trump was invited there by Gold Star mothers to pay respects to the brave soldiers that the Biden -Harris administration sent to Arlington.
John
And brought along his camera crew in violation of federal law.
Visiting -fine.
Thumbs up and smile for the camera? Scumbag move.
John
Families don’t set federal law.
Simon Foston
Wick's pencilToday 07:41 am JST
That's not the point. It has nothing at all to do with how his staff behaved or how his campaign used the video footage.
EugeneToday 07:44 am JST
He's commander-in-chief and the US Army didn't complain about it, so I guess it is.
bass4funk
He wasn't the first President to dodge the draft, your point?
He also wasn't the first President to do that.
That as well.
dividing
instigating
con man
Yeah, the left really can't say anything about cons, let alone call anyone a con, just don't go there.
I think it is worse that a sitting President who was responsible for the deaths of 13 soldiers NOT attending the ceremony was deplorable, gut-wrenching, and a slap in the face.
Yes
Some dude
I would have thought it obvious by now. Trump knows that he has a certain segment of the US vote in his pocket already, and he just keeps playing to them. He knows that the more he does things which offend everyone else, the happier his hardcore voting block will be and the harder they'll push to get him in the White House again, by whatever means necessary.
I don't think he's even interested in convincing anyone else. Certainly not those military veterans who aren't already in the MAGA club, if this little PR stunt is anything to go by, and given his running mate's tendency to alienate pretty much any group of people he talks to (childless women, firefighters, just to name two recent examples).
Some dude
He wasn't the first President to dodge the draft, your point?
He also wasn't the first President to do that.
That as well.
This is MAGA speak for "it's OK when Trump does these things and it's wrong when anyone else does it".
Simon Foston
Some dudeToday 08:01 am JST
Yes, I wonder what they think of the other presidents who managed to do ALL of the same things.
Underworld
Eugene
Yup. It wasn't for a political campaign, so completely OK.
Gene Hennigh
As a veteran. whose brother had been in Vietnam and was exposed to agent orange and died a month and a half ago, I detest what Trump did (and says). My brother detested Biden but had the good sense to no be a far right nutter. I knew him all my life and I can tell you he would be apoplectic about this. I am, too. My brother was not a loser. He was a winner for literally fighting for his country. No one with any self respect would have invited that old man.
Some dude
Simon FostonToday 08:11 am JST
Yes, I wonder what they think of the other presidents who managed to do ALL of the same things.
If the whole MAGA phenomenon can be said to have been of benefit to humanity in any way at all, it's probably given psychologists an entirely new chapter on cognitive dissonance.
sunfunbun
Con men and grifters target mentally weak individuals to believe in them. The cult that is MAGA has been conned by Trump, and they don't have the critical thinking capacity to not be (actually, they have no idea how to critical think, because they never get all information available, they cherry pick and choose only parts of it to make their own narrative...people against MAGA do have the capacity to look at all the information and make a decision of clarity, not the muck and lies MAGA supporters bring up consistently).
Underworld
bass4funk
The draft dodging,
Why does being first matter? He dodged the draft. Privileged coward.
military insulting
Being first is irrelevant. He insulted the military.
Why?
bass4funk
What I find about all this is, that the left in their typical hate-Trump screaming syndrome, the real and only focus should be on the families first and foremost, this withdrawal has given this WH a blackeye from which they never have and never will recover, jumping on Trump does not and will never change the historical fact for what they did, they can hide all they want, this is permanent and for those two to NOT show up after the damage they caused and are responsible for is just beyond insulting to the parents and to the nation.
bass4funk
The Federal law doesn't dictate the family's anger and abuse towards this admin, nor can they calm it down and make it whole
wallace
According to Trump, his supporters are basement dwellers and the military are suckers and losers. Charming man.
wallace
Trump also had a part in the US Afghanistan withdrawal.
wallace
Afghanistan withdrawal also haunts Trump, according to a general who worked for him
"The new account of Trump’s time as commander in chief comes from Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, who served as Trump’s national security adviser. McMaster, unlike other generals who served under Trump, had previously held back from sharing direct criticism of his former boss after leaving the White House."
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/26/politics/afghanistan-trump-biden-harris-what-matters/index.html
bass4funk
He wasn't the only one, so what is your point? Either be fair or just say, you want to be partisan and you just want to make it about Trump only, I can respect that, at least you are being honest, but claiming he dodged the draft as was the only one as President is wrong and dishonest.
Ask how the parents feel, funny how most of the lib networks don't play the videos of the families whose children died on that fateful day, why would that be? Now that is insulting!
Ok, so call out one and stay silent on the other, I see.
Given their own disastrous history.
Bob Fosse
Huh? So what. They can vote.
I thought you liked the government staying out of people’s business.
Gene Hennigh
If any other president "insulted" the military, it was most probably in the form of criticism. No other president I know of thought of the fighting men as losers. The far right is so far gone that they seem to think veterans who died in war are losers. If Britney Spears ran against him, she'd have my vote.
John
wallaceToday 08:25 am JST
It was his deal.
He was the one who cut 6,000 Taliban prisoners loose.
He was the one to establish the Ymir deadlines.
He was the one who cut out the Afghans.
This is his fetus and now he wants a thumbs pic up with his own abortion.
Absolute scumbag.
Simon Foston
bass4funkToday 08:22 am JST
Then don't you agree that the Trump campaign shouldn't have filmed the visit, or pushed aside the Arlington employee who told them not to, or put the footage on TikTok, and that Trump giving the cameras a big grin and a thumbs up was a bit tacky. Bit hard to focus on the families when Trump and his people are carrying on like that.
dagon
I feel for this Army official and she should get hazard pay for dealing with Trump.
After all, Trump calls his own decorated generals 'radical leftists, dumb and dogs' for daring to oppose him.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4239713-trump-rips-kelly-after-confirmation-of-suckers-remark/
bass4funk
No, that was another debunked Pinocchio, here we go again.
It was funny how much McMaster like Grisham was criticized for embellishing a lot of their stories. Silent all these years and comes out now, ohh, the ironic timing or it all. ROFL!
Underworld
bass4funk
Why does being first matter? He dodged the draft. Privileged coward.
What are you talking about? Trump dodged the draft.
Not being the only one who dodged the draft is irrelevant.
Neither Harris nor Walz dodged any draft.
He's probably the only president to have dodged the draft.
sunfunbun
Come on, man. You know Trump's insulted military families many times over, it isn't a left thing, it's a fact thing.
It's a Trump saying McCain was weak for being a POW, and how he likes guys who aren't captured. All the examples of him dissing the military is there for you, if you actually want to find facts and not put a twist for your blind love of Donald, and to disavow what he says is another example of cherry picking.
bass4funk
Biden's eeexactly.
Nope, Biden was President, Biden said, the buck always stops with the President and that Trump should be a man and accept his responsibility when it came to how he handled the Covid pandemic, well, I agree and also agree that Biden should heed his own words. He oversaw this mission, he ordered it and he owns it as the POTUS.
https://x.com/polarisnatsec/status/1770472399747612673
Huh? What does that even mean???
Bob Fosse
45 didn’t need to be there grinning thumbs up then.
See, we can agree.
bass4funk
It matters, either be fair or just say, you are partisan, which one? He wasn't the only President to do this, not asking for much, I just respect honesty.
So was President 42
Ok, so give a pass to 42
Neither did Vance or Gabbard
No, no he wasn't
itsonlyrocknroll
The media misrepresentation, the deliberate, sustained sensationalism, to grossly over exaggerate.
In this particular instance, in order to "trigger" an audience, to illicit a negative response.
In this case Donald Trump on Saturday visit to soldiers' graves at Arlington National Cemetery.
Harris campaigns intent is to create cyclically/contemptuously action, insulting to the public intelligence, to distort, to maintain an ability to guide a sneering political narrative, to smear, to effectively blow events issues out of proportion, for the purpose to antagonize.
See it for what it is political trolling.
wallace
bass4funk
President 42 Clinton is not running for office.
John
Trump could have dropped his baggy pants and taken a runny dump on the headstones of fallen veterans while giving a thumbs up and his cult would excuse it or deflect.
Trump is a scumbag and they’re his fluffers.
bass4funk
I think the parents were deeply insulted when Biden stood as the bodies were coming back home and he constantly glared at his watch, funny how the left avoids that topic quickly every single time.
Need to or legally can?
No, we don't agree.
Underworld
bass4funk
Why does being first matter? He dodged the draft. Privileged coward.
It has nothing to do with honesty. Trump Dodged the draft. Period.
What are you talking about? Trump dodged the draft.
Which is irrelevant. President 42 isn't a candidate for president.
Underworld
itsonlyrocknroll
Don't blame this on the media. They are only reporting the facts.
Which isn't a problem. Turning it into a campaign as is the problem.
In this case she is merely pointing out how disrespectful it was to use this whole event to create a political ad. Trump may say he went to the cometary to honor the soldiers, be we all know hat is BS. Trump's only goal was to create a campaign ad.
Pointing out her opponent's faults is what she is supposed to be doing.
bass4funk
It does just calm down and start from there. I am first and foremost a very simple man with common sense, so let's just go from there if you really want to engage in a serious discussion. President 42 dodged the draft. Now Republicans at the time accused him of the same exact thing you are accusing 45 of. Now both men dodged the draft, so what is the difference between 42 dodging it and 45? A dodge is a dodge and the outcome is the same, both men didn't go, that is an indisputable fact, so you can't talk about one President and ignore the other, that is just dishonest and completely partisan.
But he dodged it as well, that is documented and indisputable.
Some dude
We seem to have managed to trap our resident Trump Groupie into an endless spiral of whataboutism.
"But Clinton...but Biden...but this...but that".
It must be tiring having to defend a walking moral cesspit like Trump.
wallace
This is a big story in the international media.
bass4funk
No, that is not what we are talking about, you guys talk about draft-dodging, right? Well, here is another one for the record, so we have two former Presidents who dodged the draft, that is on record. Whatever the reason now is irrelevant, the point is, they both dodged it. Now, do I care, absolutely not, I couldn't less if either man went or not, but I do care about attacking one and ignoring the other for doing the exact same thing.
Simon Foston
itsonlyrocknrollToday 08:54 am JST
What have they over-exaggerated? The facts are plain enough, no matter which outlet they come from. Trump went there with his entourage, they wanted to take photos and videos, they got into a fracas with an employee who said it wasn't allowed, they used the video in campaign advertising and Donald Trump flashed a grin and thumbs up for the cameras that got all over the media. Anything incorrect there?
What is there to respond positively to? If there's any negative response the Trump campaign brought it all on themselves, and made it worse by making out that this employee who tried to get them to follow the rules had mental health issues.
Bob Fosse
Well, maybe read it again. What did I type? Need to or legally can?
You yourself said ‘the real and only focus should be on the families first and foremost’. Right?
Easy eh.
ArtistAtLarge
Trump made a big mistake.
A big mistake.
Underworld
bass4funk
Which is irrelevant. President 42 isn't a candidate for president.
Trump is running for president, Bill Clinton is not.
Documented and indisputable
itsonlyrocknroll
Underworld
Facts like beauty are superficial and in the eye of the beholder.
In the skilled hand remit of the media "facts" are weapons to disseminate the truth, to bend break mould opinion, to cast doubt, to defame a political opponent.
To invent inflame aggravate.
Distort genuine act of remembrance, visits made to soldiers' graves at Arlington National Cemetery.
How could Harris campaign stoop so low?
Underworld, argument debate, the political interpretation of events, in fact any act situation can be turned on its head.
bass4funk
Which he did.
They are from the same stalk, Washington Neocons establishment swamp rats. Not in the least surprised.
He hates them, but thankfully, that old guard of the party is dying out like the dinosaurs they are.
And the opposite applies to the anti-establishment like Kennedy, Gabbard, law enforcement, Musk, etc.
And none of them are serving in this admin, so they can and should, he rebuilt an entirely new team of American first loyalists, huge.
Simon Foston
bass4funkToday 09:26 am JST
There's always something new and offensive with Trump to stop the haters getting bored and remind them why they hate him so much. You're stuck repeating the same stuff endlessly day after day. I'd find that a bit tedious personally.
Underworld
itsonlyrocknroll
It was a genuine act of remembrance, visits made to soldiers' graves at Arlington National Cemetery, for the parents, for sure.
For Trump it was a campaign stop that broke laws designed to respect the soldiers.
Painting it as anything else is dishonest. Which is why it has blown up in the veteran community. They are incensed.
She didn't. She pointed out how Trump has stooped so low.
Some dude
UnderworldToday 09:26 am JST
bass4funk
Which is irrelevant. President 42 isn't a candidate for president.
Trump is running for president, Bill Clinton is not.
Documented and indisputable
On top of which, Clinton turned a (republican-caused, naturally) deficit into a surplus. Trump turned a virus with an effective vaccine into a political weapon and far more people died than was necessary. Clinton got a BJ in office and came out of it with a 73% approval rating. The highest Trump ever got was 49%.
So yeah, dodge the draft, but do your job, amirite?
wallace
Trump is running for office. Not Clinton or Bush. Their history is irrelevant in these elections. The eyes are on Trump.
bass4funk
But you can still use them for reference. We do that all the time when talking about history, it's called context and perspective.
Some dude
But you can still use them for reference. We do that all the time when talking about history, it's called context and perspective.
Indeed. Reference and comparison. As I mentioned earlier:
Clinton turned a (republican-caused, naturally) deficit into a surplus. Trump turned a virus with an effective vaccine into a political weapon and far more people died than was necessary. Clinton got a BJ in office and came out of it with a 73% approval rating. The highest Trump ever got was 49%.
Simon Foston
itsonlyrocknrollToday 09:26 am JST
What makes you so sure it was genuine? You're totally sure Donald Trump's actions were 100 percent sincere and not self-serving?
bass4funkToday 09:36 am JST
Not that impressive really. Your lot aren't very good at stopping people either. I imagine Trump's a bit mad that he couldn't stop Biden becoming president, no matter how hard he tried.
lincolnman
Which is EXACTLY what it was - no doubt about it....
"CFR 32 553, which states that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."
So what did Trump do? He showed what a COWARD he was again by BLAMING THE FAMILIES THAT INVITED HIM THERE....
"Pressed on it again, Trump suggested the parents of the deceased service members he had accompanied may have been responsible for distributing the videos and photos.
“I don’t know what the rules and regulations are. I don’t know who did it,” Trump said. “It could have been them — it could have been the parents.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-suggests-gold-star-families-152245211.html
Trump throwing his own supporters who invited him there under the bus...what a typical Trumpian-thing to do...
One wonders what these MAGA-families think about bring betrayed....just like the evangelicals...
itsonlyrocknroll
Underworld,
For Donald Trump it was a opportunity to pay genuine tribute, to US fallen heroes, to the families, also for the media to report as such.
For Donald Trump campaign, to show display Trumps genuine respect for veterans organizations.
For Harris such a solemn moment is an appalling moment to sneer at such occasion, to slight, mock with distain, to create furnish derision.
Harris scoffing, jeers, denigration is a deep ingrained character flaw.
Further proof Harris is unfit for high office.
stormcrow
This from a guy who called America’s dead soldiers suckers and losers.
Disgraceful!
bass4funk
Looking at the Electoral map, I would beg to differ.
But he did learn from that, not going to make that mistake again, we are all on to them.
funkymofo
It was obviously a deeply offensive act to attempt to use the graves of fallen soldiers for political gain. Typical of the sociopathic narcissist though. Just another disgusting act in a lifetime of amoral behavior. The obsessive bleating from cultist fanboys trying to distract us from what can see with our own eyes is as desperate as King Canute trying to stop the tide coming in. I do have a question though- those fallen soldiers- were they suckers or losers?
itsonlyrocknroll
Simon Foston
I have absolutely no idea was motivates, lurks inside the minds of either Trump or Harris.
Genuine or otherwise.
I dare say it would be a terrifying experience to find out.
I am just reflecting on how easily media can manipulate, distort, Trumps visit made to soldiers' graves at Arlington National Cemetery to embellish or defame either nominees campaigns.
How "politics" can cynically twist outcomes to suit an agenda.
Bob Fosse
No, he didn’t. Everybody knows that. Don’t even get me started rofl lol. I’ve known military since I was a kid because I lived somewhere once. That’s why people are leaving somewhere for some reason. A particular group are the last people to talk about something or other.
Hey! I can do it too!
itsonlyrocknroll
I offer an alternative view debate, it will ultimately be your decision at the ballot box November.
Simon Foston
itsonlyrocknrollToday 09:52 am JST
Underworld,
It was definitely an opportunity. Look what they did with it. Now they're trying to weasel out of taking any responsibility for what happened by saying the employee had mental health issues and, this is from Trump himself, that it may have been the families who were responsible.
You needn't bother with the deflection and trying to sound outraged. Presented with such behaviour there's no political opponent in any political campaign anywhere that wouldn't respond the way Kamala Harris has. Were the roles reversed Trump's campaign would do exactly the same.
bass4funkToday 09:57 am JST
Biden won. Kamala Harris might win too, even though she's supposedly useless.
That'll be what Project 2025 is for I suppose.
Underworld
itsonlyrocknroll
No it wasn't. Trump despises fallen heroes. The only reason he was there was for a campaign ad.
He doesn't have genuine respect for veterans organizations. He despises them.
Which she didn't do. She wasn't there. She sneered at nothing.
She didn't scoff. She pointed out that Trump was highly disrespectful.
Proof Trump is unfit for high office. Trump did the disrespecting, Harris merely pointed it out.
Gene Hennigh
Trumps robotic followers can't even READ, for crying out loud.
"Federal law and Pentagon policies do not allow political activities in that section, but Trump's campaign took videos and used them in advertisements as he battles Democrat Harris in a close race for the White House."
Federal LAW. Pentagon policies. And he ignored them. He visited the losers and suckers because it was a good campaign add, he thought. But once again, he broke the law. He can't help it. He was born that way.
itsonlyrocknroll
Simon, Underworld, can I assume you are both American?
May I leave you today with the last word.
Out of respect
Plenty more opportunities to pass judgements.
lincolnman
We learned two things from this clearly illegal stunt...
Either Trump and his campaign are so dumb and incompetent that they didn't know what the federal law was WRT political activities at national ceremonies...
Or they knew and decided to break the law and do it anyway...out of desperation of their self-imploding and collapsing campaign...
Given how unhinged and off-the-rails he's been over the past several weeks, I'd say it's more likely the latter...
Simon Foston
itsonlyrocknrollToday 10:06 am JST
I see no indication in this case that the media did any such thing, where as the Trump campaign would have us believe that the Arlington employee is mentally ill and that the families distributed the videos.
Everyone can assume anything they like. Not always advisable because in my case at least it wouldn't be correct.
lincolnmanToday 10:18 am JST
I have an idea they wanted to counter the negative PR about draft dodging, allegations that Trump called veterans suckers and losers, and said rich donors getting the Congressional Medal of Freedom was better than veterans getting the Congressional Medal of Honor, etc etc etc, and this seemed like a good opportunity. They don't seem to have thought it through very well though, or Trump came up with the idea and no one dared say no to him.
John
Is this what we’re calling carrying water for a narcissistic sociopath now?
Simon Foston
ChristopherToday 10:34 am JST
Maybe you should read some more news articles about it then, as you've missed out a few key details.
Christopher
I am not really sure what all the hype and negativity is all about. He went and hung a reef. He spent time with the families of the fallen. He didn't not talk politics. He even got on a reporters phone for video call to a wife of one the fallen who could not make it to the cemetery on a private call to express his gratitude for the fallen husband's and sacrifice and service.
This just seems more like left spin to discredit a man who clearly loves his country. Who clearly has a deep respect for those that have serve, have served and who have fallen during service. I will say this. He should have went in a low key form. In his private car and out of suite and tie. That would have eliminated any speculation that it was a political stunt. Nothing wrong with a former POTUS showing up in jeans and a polo with a ball cap and sunglasses hanging a reef then offering a salute, mingle a bit and go.
lincolnman
Once more, we are faced with the difficult decision of deciding which was Trump's BIGGEST FLIP-FLOP of the week...
There are many to choose from, but I'll select two.
1) Going from "life begins at conception" to this week saying Florida's ultra-strict 6-week abortion ban is "too short" and declining to take a stance on the referendum over-ruling it, to then after outrage from the far-right, flipping again and saying he would vote against the referendum. That's a "flip trifecta"...
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-damage-control-abortion-backlash-conservatives-rcna168922
2) Going from saying several months ago that RFK Jr was "the nation's most Liberal Lunatic, a Radical Leftist Democrat, and the dumbest member of the Kennedy family" to this week where he said "I like him a lot - I respect him a lot"...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/liberal-lunatic-respect-trumps-stance-rfk-jr-evolved/story?id=113105050
No wonder our MAGA-fans here need a daily cheat sheet to know what Trump has flipped on overnight...
It just shows the total emptiness and lack of any principles or core beliefs in MAGA-world - other than "Send me money"...
dagon
Demonstrably false on multiple occasions.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-medal-of-freedom-medal-of-honor/
Cognitively challenged or disrespectful? Take your pick.
bass4funk
He did.
You went there.
Peter Neil
trump is using those photos in political ads, which is against federal law.
13 words. try to understand them.
lincolnman
Indeed. It seems to be a form of selective perception/denial of reality that allows them to cope with Trump's many flip-flops and statements they clearly disagree with...
The most glaring obviously is "The COVID vaccine is safe and it works - and frankly all of my supporters should take it"....
When presented with this Trump statement they blanch, close their eyes, put their hands over their ears, turn away, or just deny the reality that he said it. I've even seen posts here where they say the vaccine is BOTH safe and poison - clearly a view detached from reality...
This refusal to acknowledge this political stunt was a clear violation of federal law is merely the latest example of "MAGA-coping"....
plasticmonkey
I wonder how incensed you were when Trump took 12 days before even acknowledging the death of four US soldiers in Niger, which happened on his watch. (Remember, as you say, the buck stops with the president!).
Or what you thought of his "perfect phone call" to one of the widows:
In his call with Sgt. La David T. Johnson’s widow, Myeshia Johnson, Trump told her, “He knew what he was signing up for, but I guess it hurts anyway,”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/twelve-days-of-silence-then-a-swipe-at-obama-how-trump-handled-four-dead-soldiers/2017/10/17/521524e0-b356-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html
Stop politicizing the deaths of soldiers, Donald. Your campaign ad stunt, grinning with a thumbs up in front of a grave, is despicable slap in the face to common respect and decency.
Zaphod
Lots of hate against Trump in the readers section, but no mention of the Afghanistan disaster of the current administration, which cost the death of the people he was honoring.
Old magician trick.... look here, not there.
Bob Fosse
So, don’t look at the criticism of the event which the article is about, instead look at the Afghanistan withdrawal which is also mentioned in the article.
Which way should we look again? You don’t seem sure. Sound a bit like a magician.
plasticmonkey
Because that was three years ago. And it doesn’t justify Team Trump’s boorish behavior at a military cemetery. Or your defense of said boorish behavior.
rcch
U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris criticized Republican presidential rival Donald Trump on Saturday over a visit he made to soldiers' graves at Arlington National Cemetery that was later used in campaign video footage.
"It is a solemn place; a place where we come together to honor American heroes who have made the ultimate sacrifice in service of this nation. It is not a place for politics," Harris wrote in an X post.
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The families of these 13 fallen heroes (again, they were the ones who invited Trump) are reacting to Kamala’s post—they are heavily criticizing her and showing their support for Trump. And Trump is (still) the villain(?). You can't make this s up.
Simon Foston
ZaphodToday 01:06 pm JST
If it weren't for the way Trump and his people carried on and then tried to brazen their way through it there would be nothing "here" to look at.
dagon
Interesting trick yes?
plasticmonkey
Trump is still the villain, yes. The Trump people knowingly broke the rules in service of their campaign. It doesn’t matter one bit which candidate the families support.
Respect the rules.
Remember also that the cemetery is shared by other families who have a right not to have their loved ones’ deaths politicized.
bass4funk
What was offensive? I think Biden not showing up or Kamala was offensive since they caused this. I would think that is more important than any so-called photo-op
There was nothing brazen about it, they were invited there, so why would he not come? Wait, because the left doesn't like the optics of that since the people who caused this tragedy refuse to come? One man's loss....
Simon Foston
rcchToday 01:24 pm JST
So? They don't make the rules at Arlington.
Yes. His staff shoved aside an Arlington employee who told them taking photos and videos wasn't allowed. They said the employee had mental health issues. Trump was grinning and giving a thumbs up in the photos. The videos were used in campaign advertisements. Trump said the families were responsible for the videos getting out, and that he doesn't actually know the rules himself.
What about any of that is okay with you?
rcch
Note: Kamala’s post could also be considered a political stunt. This is all part of the game. And her post is completely different from actually being there (where was she?) with the intention of honoring these heroes and showing the respect they deserve.
bass4funk
Wrong party, the villains are the people that allowed 10 million illegals in that allowed crime to get out of control, allowed for our police to be treated as dogs and sitting ducks, and allowed 58,000 people to become homeless, those are the villains, the people in charge of all this.
I disagree
How about this admin. respect the families if the 13 dead soldiers.
Goes both ways.
wtfjapan
Why is Harris bringing this up in public in front of the cameras? She wants to gain political points from this.
say what, Trump did exactly that, against federal laws, Harris calls him out for his crap, just exposes Trump for what he is.
he doesnt give a shite about service members, if he did he would have visited the graves of the 64 marines that died in Afganistan under Trumps presidency, also on the same section 60 of the cemetery.
This dispicable politcal stunt is totally of trumps making, then maga gets butthurt when Trump is called out on it. LOL
Seriously what sickmofo smiles and thumbsup over a dead soldiers grave
NotThe One
Nope! Not the same at all! You might want to try another angle!
plasticmonkey
Somebody still doesn't get it, or doesn't want to.
What's the rule at Arlington? Let's see if you know.
NotThe One
Trump claims his Arlington National Cemetery photo-op controversy “was a setup by the people in the administration.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-claims-arlington-national-cemetery-103534756.html
The Trump supporters are claiming not to the rules just like their dear leader.
What happened to the supporters and GOP AKA "Party of Law and Order"?
plasticmonkey
Use the families for a graveside campaign ad, and when caught out, throw the families under the bus.
Classy guy.
wtfjapan
There was nothing brazen about it, they were invited there, so why would he not come?
invitations dont negate federal laws, its illegal to hold political campaigns at a national cemetery.
Yes its clearly politcal, he visited the grave of a soldier that died at the beggining of Bidens presidency,
Also in that same section 60, are 64 marines that died in Afganistan while Trump was president.
Did he also smile and thumbsup over their graves, no he didnt.
please dont insult our intelligence saying it wasnt polical
plasticmonkey
I see. Breaking the law is OK if the families you're using for a campaign ad support you.
Bizarre.
Look! A squirrel!
lincolnman
'So-called photo op"? You just described what Trump did when he and his campaign posted videos/photos of this visit on social media - which as been pointed our numerous times above, is a violation of federal law...
More MAGA-coping by deflection and denial of reality. No one said he shouldn't attend the ceremony - but taking video/photos of the visit then using them for political purposes is a clear violation of the law....
"Video of the visit posted by the Trump campaign on TikTok earlier this week showed the former president walking through Arlington and visiting grave sites, with audio of him criticizing the Biden administration’s management of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. Trump campaign staffers posted multiple pictures and videos of Trump visiting Arlington Cemetery. In one video posted by Trump campaign's senior adviser Chris LaCivita, Trump can be seen laying flowers on the grave of Staff Sgt. Ryan Knauss.
"CFR 32 553, which states that "Memorial services and ceremonies at Army National Military Cemeteries will not include partisan political activities."
Law and Order - another principle abandoned by MAGA-world....
wtfjapan
Wait, because the left doesn't like the optics of that since the people who caused this tragedy refuse to come? One man's loss....
and how about the tragedy of the 64 marines that died on Trumps watch, didnt see Biden or Harris doing a politcal photo shoot over their graves. I mean Trump couldnt even gather the courage to do it himself, afterall they died on his watch.
This is exactly why they made it a federal law.
politicians will go to official functions and remember of all soldiers sascifice.
Not make it a polical photoshoot for an election campaign.
Once again invitations by family memebers doesnt negate federal laws
NotThe One
Yes, he still is. That is what decent people believe about criminals convicted of 34 felonies and will be convicted of some more shortly.
That same villian is the person that allowed 1,000,000 millions known Americans and thousands of others because of their presidential incompetences while they were the US president!
plasticmonkey
Participants in the August 26th ceremony and the subsequent Section 60 visit were made aware of federal laws, Army regulations and DoD policies, which clearly prohibit political activities on cemetery grounds. An ANC employee who attempted to ensure adherence to these rules was abruptly pushed aside. Consistent with the decorum expected at ANC, this employee acted with professionalism and avoided further disruption.
--Statement from the US Army
Some of our friends apparently are taking Trump's side instead of the army's. Real patriots.
bass4funk
In a war, that happens, Biden was warned multiple times by senior officials to not do the withdrawal at the time and location, he didn't listen or care.
Biden checking his watch did that for him.
In a war yes, Trump went and where was Biden? On vacation, that's right...
He went, so now, Biden? Incognito as usual...
It is done and now what?
Well, let's hope Biden and Harris learn that.
bass4funk
They're running in an election now
NotThe One
LOL! What?
fxgai
who Saw the video responses of the fathers of two of the 13 killed?
Powerful stuff.