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By MARK SHERMAN WASHINGTON©2024 GPlusMedia Inc.
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The Avenger
Just remember, the NRA is so convinced that carrying a fire arm makes you so safe, they ban them in their conventions, meetings and offices.
ArtistAtLarge
Around 14 U.S. states already allow concealed carry without a permit.
This is insanity.
tooheysnew
Yee haa, it’ll be just like the wild Wild West again.
EvilBuddha
I have always believed that an American is not a complete citizen unless he is armed. The national ideal is a 24/7 fully armed citizenry acting in countervailance to everyone else within shotgun range.
Americans are so lucky yet I see so many of them complaining.
SophiaHernandez
Or a glock . an armed society is a polite society
Wolfpack
The Supreme Court must uphold the Constitution and overturn New York’s infringement of civil rights. You just can’t decree a Constitution no longer applies because circumstances have changed. To change the law you must follow the law. Amend the Constitution or shut up and dribble.
bass4funk
It does.
Same when you to meet Biden or even going to a Madonna concert. So what’s your point?
lincolnman
You know, like all those pro-Trump domestic terrorists who stormed the Capitol on Jan 5th to hang Mike Pence...and overthrow our Constitution...
This case will show us if the conservative judges are similar to their far-right brethren - insecure, scared, and helpless - whose only sense of self and power comes from carrying a gun...
SuperLib
I don't think this decision will really change much of anything.
SuperLib
If you support the 2nd Amendment then obviously you'd have to support the "regulated" part of it as well. If you don't, then you're not really supportive of the Amendment.
Blacklabel
whats this word salad about?
Mocheake
Conservatives hold a 6-3 advantage so we all know where this is headed: further back to the days of Tombstone and the Wild West and "he needs killing."
Attilathehungry
Farmboy, at the time of writing "well-regulated" merely meant well equipped. In other words, equipped with arms. Nothing to do with laws or rules. "Militia" meant citizens in general.
The big problem IMHO is the mishmash of contradicting and confusing laws from state to state, even city to city. This needs to be clarified by the court. Constitutional rights don't end at state borders.
In any case, crime in general and gun crime in particular had been dropping steadily from the 90s to 2020. Even though the number of guns in the country increased. Last year and into this year, many cities have seen horrible increases in violent crime and homicide. Wonder why...
SophiaHernandez
maybe a Puckle gun, a ferguson rifle, a Girandoni air rifle or a a German breech-loading matchlock arquebus. All were rapid fire (the puckle gun had a pre-loaded cylinder which held 11 charges and could fire 63 shots in seven minutes - 9 a minute) and all available at the time the of Constitution
https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2018/03/11/multi-shot-assault-weapons-of-the-1700s-and-the-2nd-amendment/
Another question: what kind of computer or smartphone did John Adams use to exercise his freedom of speech?
venze
The right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense?
When is self-defense be construed as a real self-defense?
Americans love guns, they would defend for their basic rights. Their ancestors knew what 'Have gun will travel' meant.
Nobody can snatch guns away from them..
SophiaHernandez
So what do you call it when gungrabbing Biden harris and probably Madonna are surrounded by armed security?
theFu
If someone wishes to carry a firearm into the "public square", it only makes sense they would have formal training, like required for concealed-carry permits.
I don't feel unsafe or more safe just because someone else had a firearm on their hip. There certainly are crazy "fine people" on both sides of this argument.
I've never felt the need to have a firearm for protection, though I did spend an hour at an outdoor range today shooting at some targets. Target shooting is really fun, but I don't expect to be allowed to do that inside a city park, unless they have a public range.
bass4funk
Liberals as well on this issue
You're welcome.
bass4funk
According to liberal orthodoxy? Yeah, sounds logical....
lincolnman
To the gun zealots, open carry ought to apply at elementary and junior high schools...
In their logic, just think how many less fights and school yard taunts we would have if every little 8 year old was packing a Glock...
And if some far-right nut with an AR15 came into the school - he'd be dead meat - well, maybe after taking out a few students...
We ought to call these gun-worshippers "Regressives" since they want to take our society back to the stone age...
bass4funk
I agree especially in schools and cities that have a high crime rate.
Teachers not students. Not one person is suggesting that kids should carry guns.
If the teacher is trained, shouldn’t happen
No, because they’re not the ones that want to strip them of their 2nd amendment rights.
SophiaHernandez
please elaborate. heres what I see
Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines
Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act
Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities.
Reduce stockpiling of weapons
End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions
and the list goes on.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
starpunk
And a lot of Americans have not evolved beyond those times, nor have they grown up.
bass4funk
Because other than abolishing the 2nd amendment, liberals have nothing
Yes, therefore we need more cops and not less and watch gun sales continue to spike if the libs won’t stop their jihad on attacking law-abiding citizens.
Jsapc
This all seems extremely sensible and actually helpful.
bass4funk
They are the ones screaming about it , so yes.
NYC is nowhere near anything conservative, keep deflecting, doesn’t help the city as cops continue to retire. Maybe Snake Pliskan can figure it out.
Yes, they are. Show me 10 conservatives that agree with the Dems? Bet you can’t.
Will never happen.
lincolnman
Get that? Elementary school kids should be allowed to carry guns - because well, they have the maturity...
See your words above...
Kids need training too?
Pro-Trump far-right gun worshippers prefer abolishing the whole Constitution - and hanging Mike Pence...
bass4funk
Yes they are and you don’t have to believe me, the spike in gun sales and police defending are more than enough evidence, not to mention BIden and AOC screaming about punishing law-abiding citizens.
Again, the guns sales say otherwise, nice try..
If you live on a farm or a crime ridden area in your home, maybe .
No, but Biden does
bass4funk
Again, you can’t convince me or the spiking gun sales, that’s the reality...
They think so, please talk to them.
Yes.
bass4funk
Look, if liberals want to talk about sensible solutions instead of just banning weapons as the first mental reflex, but remain quiet once you bring in mental illness then they don’t want to talk about it and as long as they refuse to look at this from every angle, their insane hysterical rationale is and will not help them now or in 2022 because the lack of trust and having a one-sided perspective on the issue.
SophiaHernandez
Come on. Buy backs? ban the sale of..? regulate possession of...? reduce stockpiles? end the sale of? All infringements on "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"
Cognitive dissonance will do that.
Red flag laws take guns away from gun owners without due process. Gun storage laws prevent the use of them for self defense and so do waiting periods. Smart guns don't work and often can't be used for lawful purposes closing so called loopholes prevents transfers of firearms between family members and friends. all chipping away at our first freedom. All part of the very long list I posted to that you obviously didn't read or understand.
bass4funk
Nope, Google it. These are booming time for gun dealers.
True. Next time, let’s talk about guns and the mental issue that intertwined with it. Can’t ignore it.
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serendipitous1
What a sad place the US is. The fact that anyone feels having a gun is necessary means there are fundamental problems in the US that haven't been fixed for over 200 years. That's a D minus for progress. Wake up and realize your normal is definitely not normal.
bass4funk
That wasn’t nice. Rational adults wouldn’t say such things. How about admitting that we have a nation that also suffers from lack of mental acknowledgment. Let’s be honest. Calling out people for telling the truth will not bolster or support the liberals deflection from the real issues. Guns and confiscation of them are not supporting arguments.
SophiaHernandez
Maybe, but putting your hands over your ears and going lalalala isnt an argument.
How about buybacks? you have a choice of giving up your semi-auto rifle, or having to pay a tax on something you have already bought if you want to keep it. if you're going to make the argument that the tax is only $200 then you don't live in the real world. also its per firearm. some people have many.
A red flag law means your ex can tell a judge, without proof, that you threatended to hurt them, and you'll have your guns taken away.
Thats gun grabbing. the rest is just infringements on our rights.
takeda.shingen.1991@gmail.com
Yeah, that's not how gun buybacks work. If you want to get rid of your gun, they will pay you for the gun. If you don't, there's no penalty- you just won't get paid.
Again, that isn't how a red flag law works. The complaint is made, the gun owner shows up to court and based on the testimony of the gun owner and the complainant and decision is rendered. Even if the gun is confiscated, it isn't permanent.
bass4funk
No gun owner believes that nonsense. And if seems liberals are having a hard time convincing 140 million registered gun owners. Again, never going to happen.
bass4funk
That’s ok, you can call us nutters, won’t stop the growing gun sales
cleo
How much tax do you pay on your car, that you've already paid for?
bass4funk
You know what I mean, at this point, the Democrats are done in two years. And just like what happened in 2009, we are going to see repeated that in 2011 2014 and we will see the same thing in 2022
bass4funk
That is probably true, but there are two many reasons. Mental illness, gangs, assaults there are many reasons, most of them the Democrats don’t wanna talk about
why does the government have to know everything I do, it’s bad enough that when I go on the Internet I get pop-ups from Amazon asking me if I want to buy this product or that product, no thanks.
Won’t happen.
SophiaHernandez
False equivalency. I paid sales tax on it once, when I bought it. the rest is road user charges. if you want to say this tax on firearms is user charges, I'd say I pay that on bullets.
And no one is forcing me to give up my car or become a criminal. Would you be happy if you were told to either pay tax on your bicycle again, sell it to the government or become an outlaw? how about your furniture, or anything else you've bought and paid for?