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Hobbs wins Arizona governor’s race, flipping state for Dems

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Of all the republicans in the current elections Kari Lake was the among the most disgraceful servile sycophant to the criminal donald. May she be confined the to trash bin of politics forever!

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Anyone want to lay odds on whether Lake politely concedes that she lost?

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Both Senators, Both 1/2 the Congressional Reps, the Sec of State AND NOW the Gov of Red RED AZ are now ALL Blue.

MAGA!, lol.

So. Much. Losing.

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Phew, good thing there was no election fraud.

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Anyone want to lay odds on whether Lake politely concedes that she lost?

About the same Don ever weighing 238 (on this planet) which is to say 0% probability.

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That's what happens when you vote an election denying, Trump-toadying sycophant for your candidate. People are sick of hearing about the big lie.

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iraira

Anyone want to lay odds on whether Lake politely concedes that she lost?

Most of the other election deniers have been conceding, but there is no guarantee she will. People are sick of the perpetuated big lie, so it won't do any good.

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Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs has been elected governor, becoming the latest Democrat to prevail in a state that has gone from solid red to battleground in recent years.

*Hobbs defeated Republican Kari Lake, a former local TV news anchor. Lake became highly controversial for her repeated false claims that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, and for her decision to campaign with QAnon activists and Nazi sympathizers, including Greyson Arnold, a YouTuber who has claimed that Adolf Hitler was "misunderstood." She also refused preemptively to accept the results of her own election.*

And this election was close? That should scare everyone into voting Dem in 2024...

The Ultra MAGA King loses again...at this rate there won't be any ketchup left in Florida...

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i thought that silly circuss is over already?

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Just to show you that Arizona welcomes poor migrants, Big...Big Heart

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US politics is an absolute mess. Poor the populace who suffer under this bunch of charlatans - from both parties.

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50.4% - 49.6%

Guess what? (As Joe likes to say)

What?

Neither candidate has any real answers or fresh ideas when it's that close. It just comes down to what party you prefer.

What a joke.

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She bet instead that voters would recoil against Lake, who picked verbal fights with journalists as cameras rolled and struck a combative tone toward Democrats and even the establishment Republicans who have long dominated state government.

It is a good thing that Hobbs defeated a MAGA maniac like Lake and is another nail in their coffin.

But if the Dems keep on playing defensive, offer no better solutions for workers, and keep winning because they give the electorate a Hobson's Choice between them or rightist demagogues....it is not going to end up well when an even more charismatic demagogue emerges.

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Padraig Bohannan

Neither candidate has any real answers or fresh ideas when it's that close. It just comes down to what party you prefer.

Trumps don't vote for ideas. They vote based on fears stoked by culture wars.

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The repercussions of the mid-term Great MAGA wipeout continues....

Trump vs DeSantis....it will even get nastier...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/10/trump-desantis-2022-election-00066416

McCarthy vs Freedom Caucus Banks....the new Repub House goes to war with each other....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rep-andy-biggs-to-challenge-mccarthy-for-speaker/ar-AA147gOj?cvid=b31848efe0834b72830fc82e9c83f638

McConnell vs Scott..... RINO wars in the Senate...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/11/the-mitch-mcconnell-vs-rick-scott-spat-is-heating-up.html

Forget Nancy, Chuck, and Joe....the next two years the Repubs will be doing nothing but warring with each other....

Perfect for a 2024 Dem landslide...

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dagon

But if the Dems keep on playing defensive, offer no better solutions for workers, and keep winning because they give the electorate a Hobson's Choice between them or rightist demagogues

She won the governor race. Governors don't make laws.

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when it's that close. It just comes down to what party you prefer.

In a HEAVILY red state, a lot of Republicans had to flip Democrat for it to happen.

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But if the Dems keep on playing defensive, offer no better solutions for workers, and keep winning because they give the electorate a Hobson's Choice between them or rightist demagogues....it is not going to end up well when an even more charismatic demagogue emerges.

You clearly haven't been listening to the young people on why they aren't voting Republican. Which is a good thing, we don't want the right to figure it out. They just need to slowly get (lack of) voted into irrelevance.

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Yeah...kinda been following the midterms, initially out of fear, and most of the Trump-supported candidates who lost were kind enough to admit defeat. Prior to and during the election, Lake ranged from vague to combative in terms of answering whether she would concede if she lost as well as taking great pains to avoid answering questions that weren't about the "cultural war".

2020hindsights

Most of the other election deniers have been conceding, but there is no guarantee she will. People are sick of the perpetuated big lie, so it won't do any good.

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Both Senators, Both 1/2 the Congressional Reps, the Sec of State AND NOW the Gov of Red RED AZ are now ALL Blue.

4 of 6 house representatives are republicans. helping dent Dems control of the House of Representatives.

isnt Arizona a blue state?

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24 minutes ago on Kari Lake's Twitter :

"Arizonans know BS when they see it."

They sure do Kari, they sure do.

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It is super great - your replies make me fall off my chair with bemusement at your delusion :)

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Kari Lake (R): OMG!!! I lost! It’s a FRAUD!!! Trump was right! It’s a grand conspiracy!!!

No, Kari. It’s just your grand imagination. That’s all it is. On the brighter side in your case, there are still way too many ignorant voters who actually did vote for you. That’s a scary thought.

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I think the foolishness of the Republican was ever to suggest a fraudulent vote.

Politicians supposedly with something, grey matter presumably between there ears?

The threat to democracy, absentee balloting, mail in, postal voting is not fraud, there maybe a number if and buts not enough to swinging an election.

The data analytical skills and resources, would require the attention of a country/state and still fail.

There were accusations aimed at Russia fed however this was more on the level of voter harvesting through social media.

No the danger is human error., the number of vote uncounted

The Massachusetts Institute of Technology to quote calculated that 3.9 million ballots requested by voters never reached them, another 2.9 million ballots received by voters did not make it back to election officials; and that election officials rejected 800,000 ballots. That suggests an overall failure rate of as much as 21 percent. 

There is the tech available for voting from home, biometrics, but it come at a cost, there is also a number of political questions that will need to be addressed. 

Flaws of mail in, the need for oversight, process and the need to reduce the error rate.  

It would be wise to understand the numbers of mail in up to 42 million are untraceable.

The sheer number and logistics to check would be measured in years.

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Arizona was red until 2020

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/2021/01/21/what-happened-arizona-turned-blue-in-the-2020-presidential-election-but-the-republicans-still-control-the-state/

Blacklabel

isnt Arizona a blue state?

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Another Denier was denied! Thanks to the good people of Arizona!

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Let's see, Oz lost in Pennsylvania, Lake and Masters both lost in Arizona, Tudor Dixon lost in Michigan, Walker is losing in Georgia, all the election deniers were defeated in every swing state....

Boy, how many of these is Trump going to blame on Melania...

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/election/trump-furious-over-oz-losing-pennsylvania-blames-melania

My bet would be all... ROFL...

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Congrats to Governor-Elect Hobbs and to the good people of Arizona. You guys dodged a bullet!

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What a laugh! Another Trump-endorsed candidate loses. Let's hope Trump announces his candidature for president so we can see him lose yet again.

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we will take the win.

Was it as red, and tsunami-like as you had predicted for months and months?

Then maybe it will sink in that you lost. well not really cause it’s not even your government, that you are obsessed over.

Heh, in an election that HEAVILY favored the pubs. The next election isn't like that, and MAGA is looking pretty non-tsunamish at the moment...

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Blacklabel

isnt Arizona a blue state?

It may be now, but historically, a red state. Since 1952, they only twice voted for a Democrat president.

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This has really been an absolute disaster for Republicans. For governor, senate and house races, the results have been appalling for a party with the opposition in power. I guess they can count on some level of copium by saying that they one the house- even by a small margin.

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Then maybe it will sink in that you lost. 

Except the totals say we won the House. So your comment would be inaccurate and false.

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isnt Arizona a blue state

It is NOW. Are you really so uninformed that you are not aware of how Red AZ was just a few years ago?

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*won

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Democrat Jamie Raskin is concerned Trump might be the next speaker.,as he says there are at least 155 trump supporters incoming to the next House.

as the squad has like 6 members this sounds significant. How can it be that there are 155 of them? Or is he lying too?

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Blacklabel

Democrat Jamie Raskin is concerned Trump might be the next speaker.,as he says there are at least 155 trump supporters incoming to the next House.

Really? Because I hope that Trump is the next speaker. He would completely botch that job - the GOP house would be in chaos.

Please do it!

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I think Trump would be an excellent speaker, and would definitely further the Republican's chances of winning in 2024. There is no better move the Republican party could make than making Trump the speaker right now.

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sane republicans can and frequently do win in AZ. Ask Gov. Doug.

very possible they could have won this year, too. But they were taken out in the primaries by team Blacklabel. AZ is blue. Finchem won’t be certifying votes. Kari won’t be rejecting ballots. Masters will have to relax with his short barreled rifles that aren’t for shooting game. AZ is blue, and it’s DJT’s fault.

this is for Rusty Bowers: Taken out by team whack job for possessing human decency

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I second that @Nemo! Hurrah!

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Democrat Jamie Raskin is concerned Trump might be the next speaker.,as he says there are at least 155 trump supporters incoming to the next House.

as outrageous as that would be, it would serve Kevin McCarthy right.

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Ok, so Hobbs won the Gubernatorial, not surprised it’s AZ, but at least one house seat won and in California, House is looking good, Biden’s agenda looking deader than dead, all going well.

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Democrat Jamie Raskin is concerned Trump might be the next speaker.,as he says there are at least 155 trump supporters incoming to the next House.

That's an interesting scenario. Here's another:

A block of GOP Reps who are not cultists, who want to actually get things done, look at the prospect of Cheeto-Jesus becoming Speaker, get together to say "over my dead body" and leave the party and caucus with the Democrats. No more speakership. No more gavel (of any size). No more committee charimanships. No more Hunter investigations. All gone.

Because that is at LEAST as likely to happen as the cult-induced fever-dream that you supposed just now.

The idea that the GQP, spanked at the ballot box like a naughty child, would put a soon to be indicted, lying, back-stabbing, delusional sociopath in the Speakership.... Well, it's so objectively stupid on it's face as to cause one to question the cognition (and sanity) of anyone who would postulate it.

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Blacklabel

Today 01:23 pm JST

Except the totals say we won the House.

Hrm. You'd think the Democrats might seem a bit more bothered about that, yet it's Republican politicians who keep looking and sounding like they're at their own funerals.

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The idea that the GQP, spanked at the ballot box like a naughty child, would put a soon to be indicted, lying, back-stabbing, delusional sociopath in the Speakership.... Well, it's so objectively stupid on it's face as to cause one to question the cognition (and sanity) of anyone who would postulate it.

They've shown they're willing to burn down democracy in pursuit of their fear-based culture wars. The above is not actually that far out an idea insofar as what they'd be willing to do to get back at the "libs".

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Ok, so Hobbs won the Gubernatorial, not surprised it’s AZ, but at least one house seat won and in California, House is looking good,

Slow clap. lol.

You seem to be under the delusion that Kevin, who cannot heard cats, is going to be able to whip is Whack-job cult, er "caucus" in that manner of Tom Delay and that just is not so.

A few votes here, a few votes there, and Joe gets things done, Kevin gets to mope about it, and the cultists wonder why they cannot drive the entire country into the ditch to get their way and throw a hissy.

That will be fun to watch.

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at least one house seat won and in California, House is looking good

Wow, what a beautiful red tsunami! I hope no one blinks and misses it...

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Another delusional bottom-feeder sent packing.

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Hobbs was Sec of State and in charge of the election which took a week to count votes from heavily Republican areas, but broke for Hobbs.

Luck? Or by design?

She should have at least recused herself to avoid the image of malfeasance.

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bass4funk

Today 01:39 pm JST

Ok, so Hobbs won the Gubernatorial, not surprised it’s AZ, but at least one house seat won and in California, House is looking good, Biden’s agenda looking deader than dead, all going well.

The GOP leadership does not appear to share your optimistic appraisal of the situation but that's hardly surprising. Knowing what's really going on with the electorate is kind of a job requirement for a leading politician so I would expect them to be quite good at it.

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Hobbs was Sec of State and in charge of the election which took a week to count votes from heavily Republican areas, but broke for Hobbs.

Luck? Or by design?

Fascinating…

Yawn.

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yet it's Republican politicians who keep looking and sounding like they're at their own funerals.*

Not really, not when you got the House.

The GOP leadership does not appear to share your optimistic appraisal of the situation but that's hardly surprising. Knowing what's really going on with the electorate is kind of a job requirement for a leading politician so I would expect them to be quite good at it.

I think they are disappointed with the overall results from the entire election process, they didn’t quite meet all their goals, some of them they did, but there were many reasons why they didn’t do as well not just one, so they need to strongly get those under control, but other than that they know full well that just having the house. they will have more oversight, and that will force Biden to come to the table if he wants to get certain things done for his caucus.

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I think they are disappointed with the overall results from the entire election process, they didn’t quite meet all their goal

Heh, not only their goal, but their pre-supposed result of a Red Tsunami.

And oh did they ever fail royally on meeting that goal. It's hard to think of how they could have failed any more than they actually did.

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Heh, not only their goal, but their pre-supposed result of a Red Tsunami.

Let's start calling it what it actually was: "Pink Shart" (tm pending).

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The red whine is sounding more and more desperate now!

With the House, hardly.

There is the red civil war that's coming, that will make the next few months very interesting.

They'll figure it out, the Dems did eventually.

If Liz Cheney becomes the speaker

That will never happen. Never. Lol

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I did and it depends on what and who you’re talking about. They got the House, so most that I saw seemed beyond satisfied

Then you haven't been watching Fox News. It's been a great source of entertainment over the past week.

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Then you haven't been watching Fox News.

I have been, depends on the person

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With the House, hardly.

Let me re-phrase that, hardly the house!

They'll figure it out, the Dems did eventually.

The GOP idiots cannot figure out much.

That will never happen. Never. Lol

Like Donald will never lose, the red wave will wipe out the Democrats......

You don't really have much of an idea about what is happening!

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Har!

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Democrat Jamie Raskin is concerned Trump might be the next speaker.,as he says there are at least 155 trump supporters incoming to the next House.

I really really hope this comes true.

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Let me re-phrase that, hardly the house!

Even just one over, that hardly is mighty to hold funding from Joe.

The GOP idiots cannot figure out much.

Idiots, like the Dems not retaining the House? Nancy will do what now as a minority speaker?

Like Donald will never lose, the red wave will wipe out the Democrats......

Wiping out Biden’s ability to write is blank check is wave in itself

You don't really have much of an idea about what is happening!

Oh, neither do you. Lol

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1788: Ballots counted by candlelight. Results delivered the same day.

2022: Still inconclusive results after more than a week.

Oh boy. There’s so much wrong with this I wouldn’t even know where to start.

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I really really hope this comes true.

So do I.

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Even just one over, that hardly is mighty to hold funding from Joe.

You still don't understand the civil war going on in the red party, they'll too busy fighting to block anything!

Idiots, like the Dems not retaining the House? Nancy will do what now as a minority speaker?

ROFL, Liz as the speaker will be fun!

Wiping out Biden’s ability to write is blank check is wave in itself

Trying to look for positives in the sound beating the GOP has take, LOL.

Oh, neither do you. Lol

More than you for sure, but then that's not saying anything RFOL!!!

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So do I.

If donald becomes speaker, it will be comedy day after day!

Big ego, thin skin, zero knowledge of anything and trying to take petty swipes at anyone who doesn't agree with him. it will be better than any comedy show.

I am looking forward to it, but then Donald will be in prison!

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You still don't understand the civil war going on in the red party,

Well, every party has had a Civil War, the Democrats had one for a very long time, the Republicans, having a little kerfuffle, they’ll get it under control, they have no choice

they'll too busy fighting to block anything!

Well, now that they have the house, it’ll make it a lot easier to block Biden’s agenda

ROFL, Liz as the speaker will be fun!

but again, that’s not going to happen, that’s like saying, I wish Kim Kardashian would be President of the United States.

Trying to look for positives

LOOK??? You can’t get more positive than that.

More than you for sure,

I seriously doubt it. ROFL!

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No ignorance

And then

what on earth are you talking about?

The right wing nutters aren't really smart, ROFL!!!

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1788: Ballots counted by candlelight. Results delivered the same day.

population 1788 about 4 million

2022: Still inconclusive results after more than a week.

population 2022 350million

Still, you need to give the Democrats enough time to figure out how many new ballots they need to make and scan before we can announce their victory.

evidence in court, how hard is it for deniers to understand, if you want to overturn the results of an election you need to provide evidence in court to prove it was fraudulent, if you have no evidence then all youve got left are tears.

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Well, every party has had a Civil War, the Democrats had one for a very long time, 

No they didn't, LOL.

Well, now that they have the house, it’ll make it a lot easier to block Biden’s agenda

Right now they have a civil war with idiots beating on each other!

 I wish Kim Kardashian would be President of the United States.

She could be the GOP candidate for sure, all it takes is bigotry!

LOOK??? You can’t get more positive than that.

Still trying to find positives in a sound BEATING, go on.

 seriously doubt it. ROFL!

Like you doubted donald's 2020 loss, ROFL!!!!

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No, just amazed at the Democrats and liberals delusional repertoire has become

The red wave crashed against the rocks of reality and the right wing idiots still are delusional, ROFL!!!

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You were predicting waves for the House and the Senate and we all know it. 

it doesn’t matter, the main point is that we got the house

Lost the Senate.

For now

Lost Governorships.

Not entirely, try again, we definitely meet in roads in New York, and California with sets the Republicans up very well and in Florida they completely turned the map red, so all in all, it’s shared out pretty well for Republicans in many areas in some areas not so much

You were wrong in your confident predictions as you have been for years.

No, all I want more than anything else was to get the house, everything else was a slight issue

And everyone knows it.

Yup!

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No they didn't, LOL.

I did

Right now they have a civil war with idiots beating on each other!

Nonsense, grow up.

She could be the GOP candidate for sure, all it takes is bigotry!

Hardly, she’s a lib.

Still trying to find positives in a sound BEATING, go on.

No, was very clear on that statement.

Like you doubted donald's 2020 loss, ROFL!!!!

Yeah, hmmmm..

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No ignorance, the only thing that I’m saying is they need to be re-strategize,

not sure “re-strategize” means what you think it does.

hint: had RINO Mitch actually been in charge, that red tsunami may well have happened. Your guy turned ideal circumstances for a total wipeout into a red faucet drip. And plenty of folks in your party know that. I think RINO Mitch said something about candidate quality?

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I did

You fought in the civil war??? WOW!

Nonsense, grow up.

Come on don't get upset, it's just a discussion where you look ignorant , you should be used to it now!

Hardly, she’s a lib.

You're a lib now, jumping ship???

No, was very clear on that statement.

Try reading it yourself then!!

Yeah, hmmmm..

Self-goal ROFL!!!

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Or you?

Nope

Pretty pathetic!!

Admitting it, great, that's a good start!!!

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That the left is beyond pathetic, yes

ROFL, looking in the mirror might help in understanding what pathetic is!!!

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Come on don't get upset,

I’m not

You're a lib now,

Kim.

Try reading it yourself then!!

You should

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hint: had RINO Mitch actually been in charge, that red tsunami may well have happened.

Doubt it. Everyone is tired of the establishment. Maybe when we go back to paper ballots that might change the dynamic a lot.

Your guy turned ideal circumstances for a total wipeout into a red faucet drip.

Not for the House! ;D

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I’m not

No need to get upset, truth can be uncomfortable !

Kim.

You are Kim now???

You should

Did you?

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No need to get upset

No need or reason to be.

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For a lunatic everything is lunacy!!!

At least you realized your flaw, good man

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No, it means, I’m just astounded by the lefts lunacy.

Dagon, could you please explain to Bass what the “left” is?

this guy is calling a Koala an actual bear…

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Whatever ‘maga’ thought they were, it’s now a time for reflection.

The majority said “hell no!l

I suppose you could always go with the election fraud angle again but bowing out gracefully would be best for everyone.

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Dagon, could you please explain to Bass what the “left” is?

I don’t think he knows, he can’t even explain what the right is! LOL

this guy is calling a Koala an actual bear…

Leave the animals out of this

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Dagon, could you please explain to Bass what the “left” is?

looking at some of the posts in the last few days, I think a few people need to be schooled about that.

However, some like the poster you name will never learn.

The right will keep on using this term to make a large number of Americans vote against their own economic interests and fight for the interests of billionaires.

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Another wipe out for a loyal Trump trooper.

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And to top off your ignorance

Not me. Wrong guy.

and your know-nothing ideology,

Neither do you. Lol

you advocate for a narcisstic sociopath and there really is no difference of opinion on that. *

Ditto

So Congrats, you are on board with Team Evil. Not team patriot, team conservative or team America. You are on board with Team Fascist - Team Evil.

That’s it? More childish rants

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I don’t think he knows, he can’t even explain what the right is!

Ironic since your poltical spectrum is so out of whack and I am sure you are one of the temporarily distressed billionaires shilling for the interests of billionaires.

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looking at some of the posts in the last few days, I think a few people need to be schooled about that. 

I am with you on that one.

However, some like the poster you name will never learn. 

Or most of the liberal ones, now y’all know who you are

The right will keep on using this term

….as the left with their repetitive terms

to make a large number of Americans vote against their own economic interests and fight for the interests of billionaires

Utter childish banter

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‘official’ blue checkmark kari lake is already tweeting about election fraud and cheating.

Still, it’s twitter. It could actually be my uncle Bernard.

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Ironic since your poltical spectrum is so out of whack

Uh, not mine, that would be yours buddy.

and I am sure you are one of the temporarily distressed billionaires shilling for the interests of billionaires.

Hmmmm….

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to make a large number of Americans vote against their own economic interests and fight for the interests of billionaires

Utter childish banter

Unfortunately, it is the reality that you can see at any MAGA rally.

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Ms. Lake is a better version of trump than trump. She is very articulate, charismatic, quick witted, and extremely more intelligent. Her narcism, her vindictive streak, and competitive nature means she will not go away. She is more likely to burn it all down than let someone else have the win.

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No need or reason to be.

No need to get upset, you can be Kim, you can be Kanye also if you want.

As long as you are under treatment any fantasy is fine!!

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I can understand the disappointment of the GOP supporters. They were expecting a Big Red Wave but only got a bottle of ketchup. Must hurt?

This time no fake claims of stolen elections.

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