Hong Kong park empty on Tiananmen anniversary but protests flicker

This is how evil wins, by changing the definition of human rights abuses and a mis-information narrative for the purposes of forgetting massacres.

june 4 should be a national holiday in the west

happy tiannemen square massacre day

Pro-Beijing politicians have suggested that calls to "End one party rule" and "Bring democracy to China" -- both common chants at Tiananmen vigils -- could now be deemed subversion, one of the crimes in the broadly worded national security law.

For all the problems the US has, at least people have the right to protest the government.

The police and paramilitary presence in and around Tiananmen square itself every June and during national holiday week is disgusting. You even get police on motorcycles in those areas riding slowly along the roads alongside pedestrians on the footpaths - a show of intimidation.

That this would be happening in Hong Kong - a city I once loved for being so different to how it is when you cross the border into Shenzhen or get off the train from Hung Hom - is beyond disgusting. I don't think I will ever be visiting Hong Kong again. Without its freedoms Hong Kong becomes just another city in mainland China.

Commodore PerryToday  08:00 am JST

Pro-Beijing politicians have suggested that calls to "End one party rule" and "Bring democracy to China" -- both common chants at Tiananmen vigils -- could now be deemed subversion, one of the crimes in the broadly worded national security law.

“For all the problems the US has, at least people have the right to protest the government.”

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Patriot act.

So, Beijing wants Chinese people to stick by other Chinese people, but not when they are killed or imprisoned by the govt? Gotcha.

Kongers should lite a candle in each of their windows at 8pm for a week. From June 1-7th every year. Or if that becomes too dangerous (i.e. govt arrests), put hundreds of candles on the rooftop of their buildings. Many buildings have shared spaces on the roof for tenants. That's where many people will watch the New Years fireworks, but this would be good as well.

Let this be more embarrassing for the CCP.

Too bad they shut down Victoria Park. It's a nice place in the city.

Not wise to stand in front of tanks. Not wise to throw stones at soldiers.

better to change a system from the inside if you are a majority.

better to change a system from the inside if you are a majority.

Not when the system tries to exclude you - like reducing the number of directly elected officials and having a loyalty test

That's how the minority whites governed apartheid in South Africa from the overwhelmingly black majority for over 5 decades

better to change a system from the inside if you are a majority.

Which is why many countries have Constitutions which prevent the tyranny of the majority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority and provide protections for certain core beliefs and rights, above what the current govt thinks.

Changing the core values is very hard, which is both good and bad.

Having an independent judicial system is another protection against the current leaders.

The changes that happened at Hong Kong wouldn't be possible if there was a US-like constitution in place. The number and how national representatives are elected are spelled out clearly. The current President or Congress cannot change it. The term limit for US Presidents is part of the updated Constitution, so Xi and Putin wouldn't be allowed to pressure their way into indefinitely power.

There are both good and bad parts to this. No man is above becoming power-hungry. Once they have it, they never want to release it. It really needs to be a temporary job. Always. That inconvenience is necessary to prevent dictatorships.