Hong Kong police detain more than 20 on Tiananmen anniversary

It's shame upon shame. The Pillar of Shame should now be in the shape of Carrie Lam or a Hong Kong cop. How do they live with themselves?

Imagine living in a country so afraid of democracy.

Hong Kong is doing very fine these days, just not for troublemakers. And Jimmy Lai will stand trial for the crimes he has done in past 30 years!

elephant200Today 10:57 am JST

Hong Kong is doing very fine these days, just not for troublemakers. And Jimmy Lai will stand trial for the crimes he has done in past 30 years!

Yeah, how dare he criticize the CCP. History will record who the real criminals are.

Hong Kong 2023 - freedom-hating police state and the filthy sewer of China.

Say it loud and proud for the Chinese heroes of '89.

@elephant200 CCP apologists are not welcome here.

The CCP is doing a great job in maintaining peace in HK and Xinjiang. Look at their umbrella movements and brick throwing thugs. These deserved to be jailed more than 30 years.

China cleans things up nicely. No more ETIM bombing or democracy protestors. Need to set an example for Taiwan.

I know this Chinese woman,who mother was born ,I would liberate her island,if she ask

China running wild as America and Europe just watch.

That's the "leadership" in the West these days.

Xavier: For a long term touring, yes they are. Those Hong Kong people who fled to western country will return within 10 years. This has happened before 1997 when HK was still a British colony. After 10 years or less many Hong Kongers has leave the migrated country and return to Hong Kong. Especially the Canadian HKers, they were sick of Canada and the political system there. I expect this wave of HKers leave will return within 5 years as the economy of western countries deteriorated faster than previous decades. Thats why I said Hong Kong is doing very fine without them!

After the local HKers leave, a new wave of migrants from Peoples Republic of China to takeover their vacancy. They brought Hong Kong even closer to China and soon one day merging in one political system, the PRC political and social system. Until the year of 2047, 50 years after 1997 will be the date when Hong Kong totally abolishing British values and systems. Only 24 years to go, it is a bit hurry right now. It was fortunate those local HKers leave by volunteering, this has created a living space of new generation migrants and the merging in PRC system became easier.

What really worries me were those who leave and they can't adopt their lives in UK or other countries, if they choose to return to Hong Kong, a very big problem indeed!

Need to set an example for Taiwan.

I'm sure they see your example, which is why you will never see those semiconductor plants under mainland control.

China cleans things up nicely. No more ETIM bombing or democracy protestors. Need to set an example for Taiwan.

Lol, sets an example for Taiwan not to follow!

Taiwan loves their democracy. In fact, the more China depresses democracy in Hong Kong, the support for democracy rises among Taiwanese polls

https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2021/12/30/2003770419

Showed the statement: “There might be some problems with democracy, but it remains the best system available,” 75.3 percent of respondents agreed, while 14.1 percent disagreed.

Compared with previous surveys conducted by the foundation, as well as Academia Sinica polls, support for democracy in Taiwan has been rising since last year, which might be due to growing unease toward China because of its increased pressure on the nation

@elephant200 Are you resident of Hong Kong or China? I certainly hope so because I don"t want anybody who holds your views living in my neighborhood!

The only location that permitted a public remembrance of the Tinanmen protests was Hong Kong. After passing a broad national security law, Beijing has continued to stifle all forms of criticism.

The CCP thinks that by banning memorials to the citizens they murdered they can memory-hole the massacre.

They are sorely mistaken.

The British values, traditions and system will be expired after 2047, as Deng told Thatcher 50 years unchanging from 1997. Those are facts and history: The borrowed times and a borrowed place known as Hong Kong.

Now there are 24 years have left, can you remember what you are doing in 1999? It seems like happening yesterday. A new generation of people need to pickup the city and start going through the later transition period of politicaly merging Hong Kong to China. This is very normal and inevitable!

elephant200June 5 11:06 pm JST

The British values, traditions and system will be expired after 2047, as Deng told Thatcher 50 years unchanging from 1997. Those are facts and history: The borrowed times and a borrowed place known as Hong Kong.

So China shamelessly lied about the timetable, huh?

A new generation of people need to pickup the city and start going through the later transition period of politicaly merging Hong Kong to China. This is very normal and inevitable!

Basically admitting the goal is to end Hong Kong's independent culture.

Beijing has gone to exhaustive lengths to erase the 1989 event from public memory in the mainland. All mention of the crackdown is scrubbed from China's internet.

We all remember. Between 1200 and 10,000 people were killed by the CCP+Chinese military. The CCP is better at handling dissent now. They just block off photos using cloth barriers (they specific train police for this), video everyone at a demonstration, then using govt facial recognition go out over the following week to arrest individuals in their homes, quietly.

Depending on their roll at the demonstration, they may be detained for a few hours, days, weeks, months, or forever (i.e. disappeared). If they are detained for days, they will probably lose their jobs and totally screw their lives, forever.

Many of the dissenters at Tienanmen Square relocated to Kong Kong and Taiwan. Hong Kong isn't safe for them and hasn't been for a few years.

Given the choice between a govt that disappears people and protects criminals at the highest level who routinely violate local laws and pretty much any other govt, I'd choose to live somewhere else where freedom of expression, even when it is unpopular and anti-govt are allowed, supported, expected.

When the CCP is finally gone from China and a true democracy exists there, that's when all Chinese will be free. I look forward to that day. For now, we just have to look to another country for what could happen in mainland China, Taiwan. Taiwan is extremely high on the Global Freedom index.

96 Japan

94 Taiwan

93 UK

83 USA

66 India

58 Indonesia

50 Ukraine

32 Türkiye

19 Vietnam

16 Russia

12 Iran

09 China

08 Belarus

03 North Korea

01 Syria

01 Tibet

Freedom matters.

Which means it's not Hong Kong anymore - just another Chinese city.

Making it a Chinese city would be better because it now is Chinese territory. People living in closet size dwellings and rioting need to change. The earlier they become like Shenzhen, first class world city, the better. In fact they should integrate it. What you want is an identity eg Vietnam. You wouldn’t want the “Vietnam, a former French colony” stigma remaining and following you around.

It’s best to get rid of British culture in Hong Kong and make it a Chinese city, the exact thing you lament is the what is undesirable.

It’s so sad the Korea is no longer a Japanese colony and is now just a Korean country. Things were better under Japanese rule…this is how silly you sound.

No Koreans would think that and neither would the Chinese who said no to Thatcher’s request for an extension. What were they thinking?

Rehabilitating Hong Kongers’ colonial mentality takes time but is the right direction.

Just another cell in a state-run prison.

Yeah, that’s totally better.

One country two systems. The One country has been understated and the Two systems overstated.

@EFD Just another cell in a state-run prison. 

Yeah, that’s totally better.

Try and put together your thoughts. I’m interested. It would make this site better. Just type paragraphs instead of one liners.

You think things will change if China became democratic. It won’t change. The U.S. thought so with more trade and engagement. It was wrong. Here’s why.

For 85% of the world’s population, the conflict between the G7 and BRICS+ nations is not about democracy and authoritarianism, it is about economic development.

In the views of most of the world, the west (G7) has not invested in economic and social development. China has bridged the gap from developing nation to developed nation, which is why so many nations are interested in joining BRICS+.

The western mainstream media has been deliberately shifting attention away by saying that the dispute is not about social and economic development, it is about freedom and democracy. This argument has a huge following among the populations of the G7 nations, who believe that they are surrounded and threatened by authoritarian countries like Russia and China. You and others belong in this category, one that believes Saddam Hussein is Freddie or Jason or Xi Jinping is Hitler. You guys are so easily played.

Right now, there is no reason for the CPC to be overthrown because the Chinese have a higher standard of living, and no one is starving. Many people have complaints about relatively minor issues, and they can file complaints with their officials. Officials are required to give a reply to complaints because they are ranked by job performance for their public. Those who do not comply are not promoted.

It’s not about the system or freedom. Money is the Vice of the Chinese. Why doesn’t the US see this but keep trying to serve demoncracy. I promise you if democracy developed poor countries and made everyone richer, the Chinese would be first in line.

Now your turn.

@quercetumToday 06:30 am JST

Making it a Chinese city would be better because it now is Chinese territory. People living in closet size dwellings and rioting need to change. The earlier they become like Shenzhen, first class world city, the better. In fact they should integrate it. What you want is an identity eg Vietnam. You wouldn’t want the “Vietnam, a former French colony” stigma remaining and following you around.

It’s best to get rid of British culture in Hong Kong and make it a Chinese city, the exact thing you lament is the what is undesirable.

Well I hope you understand why Hong Kongers went to the street in droves to try to prevent this genocide from happening.

It’s so sad the Korea is no longer a Japanese colony and is now just a Korean country. Things were better under Japanese rule…this is how silly you sound.

No Koreans would think that and neither would the Chinese who said no to Thatcher’s request for an extension. What were they thinking?

South Korea isn't an authoritarian police state like China.

Right now, there is no reason for the CPC to be overthrown because the Chinese have a higher standard of living, and no one is starving. Many people have complaints about relatively minor issues, and they can file complaints with their officials. Officials are required to give a reply to complaints because they are ranked by job performance for their public. Those who do not comply are not promoted.

Unemployment and wiped out retirement savings are not minor issues.

It’s not about the system or freedom. Money is the Vice of the Chinese. Why doesn’t the US see this but keep trying to serve demoncracy. I promise you if democracy developed poor countries and made everyone richer, the Chinese would be first in line.

So now that China is middle income, it can relax the dictatorship and allow people to speak their minds, right? Didn't think so. They have to be proven that there are no rich dictatorships that aren't gas stations, apparently.