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More human rights outrage from the commie police-state, Hong Kong. More terror on the streets there. Speak out against the leaders of puppet-state HK, or their master, Communist China, you will be arrested and possibly never heard from again.

Boycott terror state Hong Kong.

Boycott Communist China.

Boycott the Genocide Games 2022.

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This is the face of the CCP. They run over Chinese civilians with tanks, try to erase the the entire event from history, and they prosecute Chinese civilians for memorializing those victims. Makes one wonder how there can be so many China supporters on JT.

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They run over Chinese civilians with tanks, try to erase the the entire event from history

I think you're the one rewriting history here. 'Tank man' was never run over and I'm not aware of any credible source that claims he was.

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Gross.

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They run over Chinese civilians with tanks, try to erase the the entire event from history

I think you're the one rewriting history here. 'Tank man' was never run over and I'm not aware of any credible source that claims he was.

He didn't say "tank man", he said "Chinese civilians".

Do you not know that there were other protestors at Tienanmen square, and the CCP turned it into a massacre? Mostly students.

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'Boycott' it all is so easy to say..so easy to do. But if we do, the people will get forgotten about completely. Careful what you wish for.

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The whole effort to suppress and erase this event reminds me of S16E12 of The Simpsons. In Beijing they were also in Tianamnen Square and there was a plaque saying "On this site, in 1989, nothing happened". And one of the characters in that episode caught up with them in a tank, and in a flash there was a scene of a man with a tank. Even the Soviets did not try to erase the events in Hungary in 1956, Czechoslovakia in 1968. They tried to justify it and to turn it around a little bit, but not to erase it completely. Nor did the governments of the countries in question try to completely erase it from the textbooks and the heads of the people.

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This from the nation that believes it has the right to be world leader and set new international law and the future direction the world should take.

A big "NO THANKS" to that idea. China can not be trusted to do the right thing. How it handles its own short history of barbarity is all the proof needed. It remains barbaric, cruel and belligerent and that just to it's own citizens. Imagine what value it would place on non citizens lives and wishes. Zero.

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I'm not an activist but it's time to the world recognize and claim oppressive actions from PRC to HK , Tibet, Uyghur citizens. I support to boycott winter olympic games Beijing 2022.

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CCP hates when people have their own opinions.

The Chinese government hate being reminded of Tiananmen square. I mean the international outrage of images of tanks being used against unarmed civilians for the crime of having an opinion and speaking their minds, lives on in infamy.

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@Strangerland

He didn't say "tank man", he said "Chinese civilians".

Do you not know that there were other protestors at Tienanmen square, and the CCP turned it into a massacre? Mostly students

Sure, but he specifically said run over by 'tanks'. That's important seeing as tanks weren't deployed until the morning after June 4th. 'Tank man' is likely the only person who faced down an actual tank. Many people wrongly assume he was crushed.

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Free Hong Kong! Free Tibet! Free the Uighurs! Leave the independent country of Taiwan alone! Boycott Beijing 2022!!!

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This is the problem with the CCP. It's not even "communism" anymore. They want everyone to toe the party line, believe the party line, obey the party line, eat, sleep, and breath what a few small folks of the elite in the CCP want.

As a human being I'm so sick of this same pattern repeating over and over in world history. Someone wants to be a bigshot in control and take over everything... and what happens when they think that? WW on the way.

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This is the problem with the CCP. It's not even "communism" anymore. 

It hasn't been for a long time (and, I would argue, never was). It became capitalist. Then it became state capitalist. Then it became fascist. It's the only logical endpoint of capitalist merged with authoritarianism.

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M3M3M3Today  03:42 pm JST

Sure, but he specifically said run over by 'tanks'. That's important seeing as tanks weren't deployed until the morning after June 4th. 'Tank man' is likely the only person who faced down an actual tank. Many people wrongly assume he was crushed.

You are limiting the conversations to tanks, which are a very specific type of military vehicle. Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding arises.

Students were run over by armored vehicles. Here is just one example:

It includes testimony from a double amputee who was run over by an armoured car as the demonstrators in the square were retreating peacefully. The names of five who died in the same incident have been revealed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/1999/jun/02/china.johngittings

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@M3

Tank man' is likely the only person who faced down an actual tank. Many people wrongly assume he was crushed.

I’m not confident that Tank Man was the only person who faced down an actual tank. He did it - imagine the moxie that took - when the tanks were leaving.

It seems to me more likely the tanks would have met more people going into the Tiananmen as opposed to leaving it. Definitely interested to hear what you have to say, though.

Would also appreciate the source of the info on when the tanks entered the square. This topic fascinates me because of Tank Man.

Agreed that many people incorrectly believe/assume he was crushed. He may have been after the CCP hunted him down, but not at Tiananmen.

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Ho Chun Yan made a statement to the court before being found guilty. It is had to find on-line, but it worth reading, if for no other reason that it shows amazing strength of character and courage. Here is an excerpt:

Your Honour, on June 4 in the year 2020, we including some Defendants having pleaded guilty to the charge, had only sought to exercise our fundamental freedom to commemorate June 4, as motivated by our conscience and moral courage. We did admit that we had failed to comply with certain legal requirements by failing to obtain a notice of no objection from the Police. In the historical and social background and context as stated above, we engaged in an act of civil disobedience and are willing and prepared to accept the legal consequences arising therefrom. In times to come, even if the Hong Kong Alliance were to be disbanded and the June 4 candle light vigil at Victoria Park banned, the commemorative spirit still survives with the candle light illuminated in the hearts of the Hong Kong People on June 4 every year.

We shall remain positive and hopeful, waiting for change in the times to come, because we believe we are on the right side of history and the development of human history will not stop.

The full text is still up at: https://hongkongfp.com/2021/09/09/in-full-speaking-truth-to-power-tiananmen-massacre-alliance-vice-chair-albert-hos-mitigation-plea/

Don't wait too long to read it . . . it may not be there tomorrow.

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Chinese leaders are insecure,their enough Chinese ,that live out of China,too exploit Chinese leaders insecurities,liberation start within the effort of the people of China,too free themselves from oppression

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@P. Smith

You are limiting the conversations to tanks, which are a very specific type of military vehicle. Perhaps this is where the misunderstanding arises.

Students were run over by armored vehicles. Here is just one example:

Yes, but the distinction is not an insignificant one. The personnel carriers were not invulnerable and dozens were disabled and burnt out by molotovs and flaming trash. Some of the crews were pulled out and killed. It was a fierce street battle on all sides. Did some protestors get run over by terrified APC crews in the ensuing chaos? Yes, by all accounts. Were the APC or tank crews sadistically and deliberately running people down on direct orders from the Politburo as some propaganda wants us to believe? Extremely unlikely.

It seems to me more likely the tanks would have met more people going into the Tiananmen as opposed to leaving it. Definitely interested to hear what you have to say, though.

Would also appreciate the source of the info on when the tanks entered the square. This topic fascinates me because of Tank Man.

The accounts I've read have the tanks entering the city early the following morning as a show of force. Sorry I don't remember the exact source off-hand, but I don't think you'll find any images of tanks earlier than this. Also, none of the tanks you see the next day look to be battle-scared by molotovs etc like other military vehicles, suggesting they weren't used to engage protestors. It makes sense given that tanks probably aren't useful in urban combat. However, I'm not sure the existence of tanks is that important since you can run students over with a truck if that's your plan.

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Wow, M3M3M3 has been going DEEP into the CCP propaganda.

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Wow, M3M3M3 has been going DEEP into the CCP propaganda.

What part do you think is propaganda? When it comes to the events of June 4th there is propaganda on all sides. As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle and it's rarely black and white. Sometimes the heros are less virtuous than you imagined and the villains are not pure evil.

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In this case, the CCP were pure evil. They executed a bunch of students without cause for protesting authoritarianism. As far as governments are concerned, that's as evil as it gets.

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In this case, the CCP were pure evil. They executed a bunch of students without cause for protesting authoritarianism. As far as governments are concerned, that's as evil as it gets.

Easiest to find references in 'sane' comparisons, see: Wounded Knee, My Lai, Ludlow, Colorado, and on and on...the greatest differences in Humans is in opinions, NOT BEHAVIORS.

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@Strangerland

the CCP were pure evil.

By the way Strangerland, I was pleased to notice recently that you've started referring to China as a dictatorship in your other posts. If you cast your mind back to Jan 30 2018 you'll remember our discussion where I was trying to convince you of this but you were having none of it. I'm glad you've come around.

*M3M3M3:** The CCP is a dictatorship.*

Strangerland: M3M3 - I don't deny that China's government is severely lacking, but I just don't buy into the rhetoric that it's a dictatorship. It's an oligarchy. Using extremist terms doesn't help any of us, nor does it make things better.

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And the world is going to attend "the games" in China. WHY??????

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Hah, that's quite the memory.

It's in actuality an oligarchy. But when I'm posting rhetorically in threads that I'm sure the CCP are watching, I like to call them a dictatorship. that's not accurate though.

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@M3M3M3

Amazing. I thought only wives had that kind of memory...

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