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Hong Kong will 'fearlessly take action' against independence talk

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Implementing a law that can be used to restrict freedoms is not a constitutional duty.

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Hong King will not take action.

China will.

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This is really sad.

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The Totalitarianism Now! supporters of 'strong man' regimes like China, North Korea, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other despot led states have must be applauding this.

Those favoring democracies ('authoritarian democracies' are democracies in name only) should be worried as so many places in the world shift even farther right.

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When that 99-year treaty was made it was with Imperial China. That no longer exists, it's Communist China now. That change should've negated the whole deal in 1997. When Red China took over did anyone think that the freedoms and automity Hong Kong previously enjoyed would be honored? People were hauling butt from there as early as 1987.

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When that 99-year treaty was made it was with Imperial China.That no longer exists, it's Communist China now. That change should've negated the whole deal in 1997.

I totally agree, the world's democracy threw a fellow the Hong Kongese to the wolves when they returned sovereignty. It was obvious from the beginning that the One Country Two Systems concept was a temporary idea until gradually society aged and it the PRC could chip away at granted freedoms and sovereignty.

Post 1997 Hong Kong should have become an independent city state with guaranteed UN protection.

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I totally agree, the world's democracy threw a fellow the Hong Kongese to the wolves when they returned sovereignty. It was obvious from the beginning that the One Country Two Systems concept was a temporary idea until gradually society aged and it the PRC could chip away at granted freedoms and sovereignty.

^This should not be quoted. I meant this as my statement.

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"We will fearlessly take action against such acts according to the law in order to safeguard the interests of the country and Hong Kong."

There's nothing fearless about THAT. Fearless is to advocate Hong Kong's independence

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China will China after all.

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"Once country, one system." Never trust mainland China to keep their word on anything.

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Clearly the so-called 50 year deal is being accelerated by the mainland.HK democracy is on its death throes.

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Fearlessly oppose independence? That is scary. Independence is a choice? Denial of that choice is barbaric.

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CyburneticTigerToday 08:04 am JSTI totally agree, the world's democracy threw a fellow the Hong Kongese to the wolves when they returned sovereignty. It was obvious from the beginning that the One Country Two Systems concept was a temporary idea until gradually society aged and it the PRC could chip away at granted freedoms and sovereignty.

^This should not be quoted. I meant this as my statement.

No doubt that's why so many Hong Kongers started fleeing in 1987 to the UK, Japan, US, Australia and more. Hong Kong was a major economic powerhouse in the Orient and Red China wants everything it has - so bad. Those who fled surely didn't believe the parade of lies China said, and this 'assimilation'/'crackdown' was inevitable and we all knew it, didn't we?

SpeedToday 08:17 am JST"Once country, one system." Never trust mainland China to keep their word on anything.

They're one of the largest and most powerful nations in the world with a population of over 1 billion and a 7000 year+ history. Do you think their government is going let anyone tell them what to do?

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Carrie Lam is a Chinese Communist Party stooge.

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Interesting thoughts on Progress and "progressivism"...

Unionism progresses to Socialism is that which leads to centralized control in the name of social justice

Socialism progresses to Communism is that which leads to control of human liberty / rights (freedom)

Communism progresses to Totalitarianism is that which leads to the total control and loss of liberty / rights

Totalitarianism progresses to Fascism is that which leads to absolute control and loss of humanism

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They're one of the largest and most powerful nations in the world with a population of over 1 billion and a 7000 year+ history. Do you think their government is going let anyone tell them what to do?

Slight correction, the country has the 7000+ year history which belongs to the people not the current government. Chinese Communist party doesn't own that history as they intentionally tried to get rid of said history, except for what they thought suited their own personal interests.

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Having said the above... China is now a totalitarian state and Hong Kong, sadly has lost its voice when they were forced to accept a puppet leader for the city from China's centralized power group

To do that, China built the infrastructures that allows physical control of the city... the transportation and the communication systems which literally controls the people's ability to think and to move... (control the body and the mind...)

It is very difficult to control "emotion" or "free thought" without major "brain washing"...

But forced control of all physical abilities... do impact and influence thought and action enough to stifle or prevent free thought...

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Bit by bit it will succumb to the mainland rules. It will be up to the students and former students if they want to protest again for independence

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Lam sees the "Hundred Flowers" writing on the wall. Fall in line or be disappeared.

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Used to live in HK under British rule, and have been back a few times. Loved it then, love it now. Also been to China years ago and many times since. Love the countryside then, love the cities now.

however, recently I have spoken freely to a few HK citizens, and it doesn’t look good. They are expecting a tienmann square scenario some time soon.

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Hong Kong is never a country, the UK hand back Hong Kong to China under the P.R.C. soverignity! The basic law has stated this clearly! This is not the relation like Russia with Ukraine ! So the Chinese government has the final say of where Hong Kong  is heading to! The "One country two system" refer to the political systems of Capitalism in Hong Kong and Communism in China.  The ban on Independeces speech is an action to stop "The Myth Speech" ! Spreading the myths of Hong Kong is a nation that is to undermine the security of China  and misguiding the public consences!  If there is an organisation telling the people: 'Hey guys, join the ISIS and fight Jihad in Syria! You will goto heaven and got your 70 virgins!' Do you think such organisation should be spare and let them continue spreading such myths which is processing danger to the public?

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Elephant - What I see here is the China Social Score being implemented in Hong Kong. I believe you have gained social points. However those that speak of independence will lose social points and lose freedoms (i.e. travel and access to government benefits).

Those speaking of dangerous things (i.e. independence) must be punished and snuffed out.

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*When that 99-year treaty was made it was with Imperial China. That no longer exists, it's Communist China now. That change should've negated the whole deal in 1997.*

All treaties concerning Hong Kong were made with imperial China. Britain couldn't declare one treaty void on such grounds without declaring them all void, along with its claim of legitimate sovereignty over any part of Hong Kong.

In the early 1980s, when the future of Hong Kong was settled with China, these were the realities of Hong Kong's looming 1997 deadline:

China had always had the power - never exercised - to blockade or forcibly occupy Hong Kong.

Britain (wisely) had no appetite for any form of military confrontation with China over Hong Kong.

Retaining the parts of Hong Kong ceded to Britain in perpetuity (Hong Kong island and the lowe, or granting them independence, was not a workable option.

Concerning the last point, here's a map that goes a long way towards explaining the situation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration#/media/File:Acquisition_of_Hong_Kong.svg

The great majority of Hong Kong territory was under lease until 1997. Returning only this portion (and blithely ignoring China's total opposition to such a solution) would have involved establishing a new border cutting right through a densely populated area of Kowloon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_Street

Plus a new maritime boundary.

On the China side of the border would be an area already containing at that time around half of the Hong Kong population, as many people by this point had moved to new towns in the New Territories, such as Sha Tin, Tuen Mun, and Yuen Long.

These people would either migrate or flee en masse south across the border into British territory, or be absorbed into the PRC, disenfranchised, and bound by its laws, effectively overnight. Had a million or two gone south to the British side of the border, there would have been the problem of handling a huge influx of people that couldn't be easily housed - this was the reason for establishing new towns in the first place. It would have led to numerous other problems as well, including a potential economic collapse.

The handover agreement with China was highly imperfect, but it did at least keep modern Hong Kong in one piece and offer the chance of a guarantee for Hong Kong people to have a separate way of life from the PRC, a separate political system, and to keep their freedom. China has tampered with the political system and somewhat eroded the freedoms - though not hugely for the ordinary person - but what they have is still vastly better than some British screwup built on a supposed principle of holding Hong Kong permanently, or granting independence to the part of the territory it still held a treaty-backed claim to.

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HonestDictatorOct. 11 09:52 am JSTThey're one of the largest and most powerful nations in the world with a population of over 1 billion and a 7000 year+ history. Do you think their government is going let anyone tell them what to do?

Slight correction, the country has the 7000+ year history which belongs to the people not the current government. Chinese Communist party doesn't own that history as they intentionally tried to get rid of said history, except for what they thought suited their own personal interests.

No, the Red Chinese party doesn't own that history but in the scheme of human history as Marx put it, 'communism' (his theory of social evolution - NOT what we know as 'Communism' today) is to be a planet-wide utopia that evolves as a result of human history and social evolution. That includes labor unions, workers' rights, and improvement of technology throughout all time. Well, Imperial China gave the world many ideas, inventions, philosophies, art, scientific innovations, and much more things that we take for granted today. So in the grand scheme of things as Marx and Engels put it, it would come together and everyone on planet Earth would live in this classless utopia of no more 'haves' or 'have nots' and 'the state would wither away'.

Well we know that Marx overlooked some factors - like human ambition and lust for power and because of that what we call 'Communism' does not live up to what Marx proposed, not at all. Now that the USSR and European Communism has collapsed there's still a few 'Red' states and Chinese Communism is based on Mao's ideas. They might say their 7000+ history naturally leads to the 'utopia' of Maoism, I dunno.  

Either way, the old Imperial Chinese Empire is gone, and the Chinese Republic that replaced it is gone. Now there's the 'PRC' which does not follow what Marx envisioned as 'communism' and their 'Mao Tse-tung thought' ideology is just an oppressive bunch of lies, hoo-hah, and BS.

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Hundred flowers on the wall. All its petals are wilting on the floor.

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