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© Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.On the brink of federal shutdown, House passes 45-day funding plan and sends it to Senate
By LISA MASCARO, KEVIN FREKING and STEPHEN GROVES WASHINGTON©2023 GPlusMedia Inc.
72 Comments
TaiwanIsNotChina
Would have been better if they held a strict line on Ukraine funding. I don't know the prospects are for overruling the surrender caucus are now. I suspect it is all up to McCarthy.
Strangerland
Cool, we get to watch this all happen again in another 45 days.
dagon
Gaetz and MTG had business loans forgiven but won't do that with student loans.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-ppp-loans-forgiven-republicans-matt-gaetz-marjorie-taylor-greene/65470173007/
Trump gave corporations and the rich massive tax cuts
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/?sh=6e7ee64866c4
while receiving government subsidies to build his fortune.
https://reason.com/2018/10/08/trump-finances-subsidies-tax-fraud/
Then when the FC/Tea Party/GOP are out of power they become fiscal conservatives bemoaning Democrat spending on welfare.
Kleptocracy in action.
Yrral
That reasonable minus Ukraine aid
Yrral
These people were elected by my fellow Americans ,I still wondering why they voted for them
Mr Kipling
What happened to the " We are with you to the end"?
bass4funk
For millions of students, “millions” you can pay for that if you want, I don’t. Yeah, and that idea sounds as insane as allowing an 8 year old to drink a bottle of scotch.
The cancellation would cost the federal government $329.7 billion over the next 10 years — with up to 73% of the cancellations assisting households in the top 60% of earners in the US.
Based on that analysis, the National Taxpayers Union Foundation worked out the average cost of Biden’s announcement to $2,085.59 per taxpayer.
Make up your mind, you want working class people to work or not, if not, don’t give job creators a tax cut and don’t complain.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianweller/2020/01/29/trumps-wasteful-tax-cuts-lead-to-continued-trillion-dollar-deficits-in-expanding-economy/?sh=6e7ee64866c4
Won’t be for awhile
Because there isn’t a tax hike the left doesn’t love, if they can tax it, go for it. It’s the thing socialists and the champions of income redistribution do.
Busby
So for at least the third time during this charade, Repubs have voted with the "Libs" to get their way...
First we had the Freedom Caucus MAGA warriors toss their lot with Nancy, Schiff, Nadler, and Swalwell to sink McCarthy's two defense bill attempts...
Now we have "My Kevin" shunning his Kook Caucus and "conspiring with the enemy" to pass this bill...
So the Libs have bailed out both Gaetz and McCarthy...
Just shows that each of these factions of the Repub party trust the Libs more than they do each other...
I guess you could call that "Lib winning"....
ROFL..
elephant200
The more frequently and longer shutdown of the government will make other countries lost confidence on U.S. credibility. That will make other countries sway away to buy US bonds. But I am sure the American politicians shall not cares about this and this will not be the last shut down.
By the way, 45 days is a minimum period of shutdown, better expect a longer one.Four years ago during Trump & Pelosi struggling the US government shutdown for 30 days.
Strangerland
Moody's already downgraded the US' credit rating a few months ago, after they argued about raising the debt ceiling. They stated then that these types of arguments dropped confidence in the American economy. Then this all happened. I wouldn't be surprised to see a further credit rating downgrade after this current debacle.
elephant200
@Kipling; Well you should know Ukraine is heading to their end. The 45 days of shutdown is telling the Russians good luck with your Winter offensive. Many Republicans including McCarthy were under Trump's influence and you know his stance over Putin's war!
bass4funk
Sadly
No, the reality is, you need the Senate and Republican President to truly get what you want, they don’t have that now, but they will and then the Dems will be in the same position. I definitely wanted the House to prevail, but it didn’t work, move on and go to the next step.
Nothing funny about any of this, not when it comes to the frivolous out of control spending liberals think is just so natural to spend other people’s money and printing more of it.
https://dailyhodl.com/2023/09/19/billionaire-ray-dalio-warns-more-money-printing-coming-for-us-amid-rapid-debt-accumulation/
But why would they care?
dagon
But if you pay American taxes, Jewish space laser queen MTG had that scotch on you, courtesy of having her PPP business loans forgiven.
But it is MAGA so I suppose that is okay. Just don't extend loan forgiveness to all those far left Marxist students. There is nothing rational about the Freedom Caucus budget negotiations, just following orders from the God Emperor.
The same whose tax cuts for billionaires let them pay less than the working class.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less
Biden half-heartedly tried to get billionaire wealth taxes and income redistribution but when the maniac MAGA minds are steering the debate logic does not prevail.
Busby
No need to be sad - give a cheer to the Libs - they saved both factions of your Repub party...
No? Then why did MTG, Gaetz, and Boebert decide to vote with Team Nancy to defeat your own Repub-sponsored bills? Why did Kevin decide to collude and vote with Hakeem Jeffries instead of the his own Freedom Caucus?
You mean the out of control spending Liberals that your team just sided and voted with - three times?
That is sad for you, hilarious for everyone else...
elephant200
more than 2 million active-duty and reserve military troops will work without pay and programs and services....
Russia, China, North Korea, Belarus.....it is time for your mobilisation, 45 days can change alot of the world.
EFD
I do not know if this stop-gap measure goes through reconciliation to blend the House and Senate bills or if it’s a straight up or down thing.
But I am quite confident that Ukraine aid will not be left out in the end.
There is no way that the large bipartisan majority is going to give up on aiding Ukraine.
That’s a fever-dream if cultists and Russia fan-bois.
bass4funk
I’m sorry, but please speak to me in English.
No, don’t extend it for irresponsible kids that don’t or won’t pay their loans back. I mean, it’s in the word “loan”
There is, but as I said, won’t get much done with a Democrat President in the WH but that will change one day
Like I said, you want the working class to work or want to pay people to stay home? That’s better? Make up up your mind for Christ’s sake.
I pay an enormous amount of taxes and what would be fair to the socialists? I understand taking other people’s money is easier, but when it runs out, then what?
Yeah, let’s not talk about Biden and taxes, and money because this debate will take on a whole new life of discussion, so don’t go there.
Busby
Even though the Dems and Libs have pulled My Kevin's chestnuts out of the fire. there is still open warfare within the Repub party...
“There are 21 Republicans who just voted to defund the United States military and keep the border open,” said Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.). “They need to be called out by name.
Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.), placed the blame for the looming shutdown directly on Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), one of the most prominent opponents to the stopgap who has also been threatening to vote to remove McCarthy. “Unfortunately, a handful of people, and in particular a party of one — Matt Gaetz — have chosen to put his own agenda, his own personal agenda, above all else,” Lawler said. “He’s not a conservative Republican. He’s a charlatan. And as far as I’m concerned, when you’re working with Democrats to try to vacate the speaker, you’re a joke. This needs to come to an end.”
“EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT just joined Matt Gaetz and MTG for open borders and a closed government,” Rep. John James (R-Mich.) posted on X. “Democrats and the Clown Caucus care more about their fundraising goals than America’s wellbeing.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-blames-looming-shutdown-21-200721382.html
Repubs saying their fellow Repubs are for open borders...calling each other "charlatans"....saying they're a "Clown Caucus"....
How's that for cohesion and solidarity....no wonder they're voting with the "Libs"....
Next up - Gaetz files motion to vacate McCarthy and the inter-Repub war goes nuclear....
Bob Fosse
“meeting President Joe Biden’s full request. The package was approved 335-91, with most Republicans and almost all Democrats supporting.”
There. You’re a minority Bass.
Superlib
Democrats to the rescue.
bass4funk
And Biden defeated Putin, we know.
Again, the same question? I gave you an answer the other day, but if you don’t like them, send them a text message, I’m sure they will reply back.
Oh, no, the Dems have years of that under their belt, so but now Joe has ratcheted it up
No, sad for the people that earn an honest living, funny for the moochers that like spooning off others like leeches, and so the middle class exodus out of mismanaged states continue.
Now, now, I wouldn’t call a socialist putting a gun in my mouth as a rescue.
bass4funk
Another swamp establishment creature, not surprised.
Says the man that gave up his conservative principles being in a dark blue state in order to save his neck. Again, not surprised, not even a little.
I’m sure Lawler will not have a whole lot of friends when he goes to Washington, but the Dems have two slots vacated recently so there’s an opportunity right there, hey, now there’s a thought. Lol
funkymofo
Hamstrung by extremists and paralyzed by their inability to move beyond their corrupt sexual assaulting leader. A vote for the GOP is a vote for chaos
Ah_so
Cruelty is not a bug but a feature of the modern MAGA GQP.
2020hindsights
Kipling
The new approach would leave behind aid to Ukraine,
Don’t worry, this is just GOP RINOs like MTG, holding America hostage. Ukraine funding will continue.
Busby
I think that comment speaks for itself....ROFL...
Another "scroll up" surrender...
So why did your team vote with them?
Who your team sided and voted with...
Really? Who is the Speaker? The article clearly says McCarthy "relied on Democrats"....or maybe you believe McCarthy caved to the Socialists...
Yrral
2020,do you know 100 of thousands of American seeking social security assistance,that they paid in ,that only means of support ,that are denied , Ukraine is not our problem
Busby
Agree, another loser Repub....
Agree - a weak, pathetic Repub...
Yep, glad to see you disagree with him that working with the Libs is wrong - and agree with the Freedom Caucus that votes with Team Nancy...
No diss for Repubs Van Orden or James?
u_s__reamer
DELAY, DELAY, DELAY is the MO of the GOP - I wonder who they learned that from? And what are the oranges of their cunning plan to stymie governance for the people?
bass4funk
As a working Business Woman, with a strong credit history less risk and less chances, probably
To pay for others, high risk, in the millions and ask millions of taxpayers to pay for them? Ok…
It sure does.
No, no red to be repetitive, we’re not 6 years old.
I’m not in Congress, you ask them, call them.
Democrats…lol
No, I’m glad he stood his ground, even if he lost the fight, more battles to come. Kudos to him for trying
Bob Fosse
So, working business people should have their debt forgotten but those struggling shouldn’t. Socialism for the rich then.
Superlib
There will be a separate vote for Ukraine funds which will pass. No worries.
Superlib
It is a rescue. The hardliners lost out to the moderates, which is a good thing. We have a split government so there has to be some compromise. It's just life.
stormcrow
Republican yo-yos in action.
How long before the next republican manufactured crisis?
dagon
No, lets talk about the Trump massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations that contributed greatly to the repetitive budget impasses.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/tcja-2-years-later-corporations-not-workers-big-winners/
It is nothing about job creation, socialist spending, entitlements, it is all about corporate greed and kleptocracy with the FC and MAGA.
And their hypocrisy seems to most of the readers here except you.
TokyoLiving
Thanks GOP, always with the good common sense in US...
Busby
Definitely - in a totally embarrassing way...
Even a six year old can see through that weak surrender...
Can't defend your team?
Yep, your team, both the Freedom Caucus and the RINOs, each voted WITH THE LIBS....
How is cooperating with Hakeem Jeffries and selling out the Freedom Caucus "standing his ground?"
bass4funk
To whom?
Then don’t do it.
I don’t have to, they’re adults.
Ok, and?
That he even attempted the move is rounds for applause, got my respect.
I don’t see it as a rescue, and I don’t see it as a good thing, but I do understand why it was done.
True.
bass4funk
We just went through this.
American progress, oh no….
It absolutely is
Well, this is a lib site so of course they would. Lol
Bob Fosse
The vast majority of people here disagree with you. The majority of people in the US also disagree with you. The large majority of those in the House disagree with you. You cope with that by labeling anyone who disagrees with you ‘a lib’ or ‘RINO’.
Simon Foston
bass4funkToday 09:57 am JST
Why do you bother spending any time commenting here then?
EFD
And there you have it from the mouth of an Uber-goober. The GQP caved.
As we knew they would do eventually. Their end-game was as clueless as Micheal Scott’s “big surprise” for the office.
bass4funk
I do as well.
I disagree because if they did, Pelosi would still hold the gavel.
I don’t think so, I think they just felt like they’re not gonna win this one, but I appreciate Kevin putting in the efforts, there will come a time when the Democrats will be in the same position, and they will cry how unfair it is, but as Sup said, that’s politics.
No, I called those Republicans rhinos for a reason, because that is exactly what they are and that is the reason why so many of them are leaving office because they know they couldn’t get them so she liked it out of the sandbox, most conservatives don’t want through politicians anymore.
EFD
And now the onus is on Venmo-Matt.
Sure he wants “My Kevin” gone. I mean, Kevin c-blocked him when he tried to get a woman over the age of consent to “escort him back to his cabin”…
But who’s he going to get that can get 218?
Certainly not the Kiddi-diddler himself. Besides, governing requires actual work.
Jewish Space Laser Karen?
Neo-Nazi “friendly” Gossar?
”Gym” Jordan?
“I don’t know the committee rules” Commer?
George “I was a drag Queen but it was just for fun” Santos can take the reins (After his felony trial of course).
Golly, it’s almost like Venmo-boi didn’t think this one all the way through? What are the odds?
bass4funk
Again, get in a Republican President with a Republican controlled Senate and Democrat house, you’ll get the same results, remember, the Dems won’t be in power forever.
Not sure what that meant, but ok…
Yrral
2 and half hours to midnight in DC
wallace
So in 45 days, repeat and rinse.
Busby
You - the person that posted it...
What? The surrender hole just keeps getting deeper....
Who are the adults - Gaetz who called McCarthy a "lying dog", or McCarthy who threw the Freedom Caucus under the bus and sided with Nancy?
You hate the Libs - say they're spending like a "Tony Montana coke addict" - yet your MAGA-heroes in the Freedom Caucus voted with and supported these Libs...and your "respected" Speaker McCarthy colluded with them to pass this bill. Happy your team has to rely on the Libs to do anything?
He gets your applause and respect for colluding with the Libs? OK...
Simon Foston
bass4funkToday 10:11 am JST
Did you really? How many of my typos have you found, let's say, in the past week?
I asked first.
bass4funk
No, try again
Well, it’s not your money, spoken like the average socialist
What? Lol
Relax, we are not in school now, trust me, you’re taking this all too seriously. ROFL
You lost, give it up, no worries, I still care though.
EFD
They’d have to win election first and not just claim it stolen.
Since 1992, the GQP has won the popular vote ONCE.
That trend isn’t going to change with the Seditionist in Chief and his merry band of morons.
Why don’t you hold your breath? Perhaps that might help?
I mean, it worked so well for your House goobers this time, eh?
PTownsend
Many in the Republican Party are indeed extremists, among them those whose political beliefs are closer to those of the extreme rightists that were defeated in WW2, among them some that want a leader like Putin. Japan is talking about restricting the Unification Church, given how extreme and dangerous the Republican Party is and the reality that they want to interfere with elections, the US shoud consider restricting their involvement in elections.Hopefully US voters will ensure they continue to be defeated at ballot boxes at all levels.
2020hindsights
Yrral
The GOP wants to cut this. The Dems support social security assistance.
Assistance to Ukraine is in America's interests. We usually frame it as a moral issue, but foreign policy isn't about morals. America funds Ukraine because it is good for America.
bass4funk
So are most Democrats.
Now that’s where you get the parties mixed up.
No, they just want any irregularities to not occur the way they did the last time or more importantly, they want to play by the exact same rules the Dems play by, so hopefully they won’t complain.
Oh, I think this time, especially this time they will do that now that we know how the game is played.
Bob Fosse
Ok.
NOMINATION
Can Dems and Libs here speak for Jamaal Bowman pulling the fire alarm just before voting? What is your excuse for him?
Busby
So Kevin McCarthy had to go beg and grovel to Nancy, Hakeem, Schiff, and Swawell to get Dem votes to pass HIS REPUB spending bill...
He throws the MAGA Freedom Caucus nuts under the bus, pulls all the spending cuts out of the bill, and sends it to the Senate....
For colluding with the hated Libs and smacking down the MAGA Freedom Caucus, Bass says that McCarthy has his "applause and respect"....
That pretty much tells you all you need to know about how crazy, hypocritical, and contradictory MAGA-world is...
Yrral
I believe judicial rule is more expedite than legislative rule, through court actions
EFD
Sure can!
That was unacceptable. It should not have happened. He should be investigated and punished appropriately and it his constituents vote him out the next election because of this, it won’t bother me at all.
Asked and answered.
You’re welcome.
Busby
Again, the same question? Just scroll up. We gave you an answer the other day, but if you don’t like it, send him a text message, I’m sure he'll reply back.
Before you criticize this reply I indeed recommend you scroll up...
EFD
So the DNC national ad campaign can now be:
“Thanks to Democrats, the government stayed open, workers get paid, and essential services continue.
Just think of how much we could accomplish with majority?
Do you really want more dysfunctional government and uncertainty?”
bass4funk
Oh, well.
There will be other battles
He absolutely does. Effort goes a long way.
Yes, consistency counts.
Bob Fosse
I agree with this also.
itsonlyrocknroll
Look the EU/UK Europe must take responsibility to fully support, unreservedly provide full miliary assistance
How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts.
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
The people of America have dug deep to stand beside the people of Ukraine.
Can that be said of Europe?
I say no it hasn't, Governments, member states have paid lip service, whilst admittedly diversifying from energy purchases.
Any long term military support, next gen weapons systems is noticeable by its absence.
Tanks, aircraft, missile systems. air ground sea, intel etc.
Britain has played an important role, as has Poland.
German, French Governments are playing a shameful strategy to secure long-term goals of gaining an upper-hand in future Russian energy exports, forcing Ukraine to surrender its sovereign homeland.
EFD
The list of Senate goobers who voted to shut down the government (because they knew the vote would pass) is about what one would expect of the craven and the the imbecilic:
Marsha Blackburn Tenn. (In a neck and neck race with Tommy Tuberville for the title of stupidest Senator in history)
Mike Braun Ind.
Ted Cruz Tex. (Cancun Cruz whiffs again)
Bill Hagerty Tenn.
Mike Lee Utah
Roger Marshall Kan. (Apologies from KS. Historically we haven’t sent people THIS craven to DC)
Rand Paul Ky. (of course, Senator Lens Crafters would be on this list)
Eric Schmitt Mo.
J.D. Vance Ohio (I don’t care about Ukraine)
Did not vote 1
Tim Scott S.C. (Apparently too busy schooling Nikki on those drapes…)
EFD
YrralToday 10:54 am JST
As you can barely tell time and cannot put a grammatically correct sentence together, I would say your thoughts on extra-constitutional governance are “less relevant.”
Simon Foston
bass4funkToday 11:05 am JST
Far enough not to be ousted as speaker by the MAGA gang?
bass4funk
What is it with liberals and their fixation on grammar, and trying to put people down (unsuccessfully I might add) they barely can make sense of any political issue turning it into a radical out of control socialist experiment, can’t govern their own cities, their own constituents live in deplorable conditions, they’re the last people to be judgements or to critique anyone, fix your voting constituent blocks first and then complain about non-important things like grammar. Just focus on the debate.
If that is their wish, so be it. I get both sides, but there can be only one.
Busby
So you think all is "well" with Kevin begging the Libs for support - some flip from your previous "never give-in" posts...
There sure will, just wait until Gaetz files the motion to vacate....who's side will you be on?
Good for you - glad to see you support him colluding with those "Tony Montana coke addict" spending Libs...
Indeed, consistent flipping...
bass4funk
I do
The nation and conservatives.
Yes
Democrats??
wallace
The bill passed in the Senate.
Peter Neil
The two most meaningful solutions to the gridlock, term limits and tax reform, are but fanciful dreams.
Term limits bring serious people back into the legislative process, and the convoluted tax code filled with special interest provisions leaves enough money on the table to pay the bills. It could be a two-page pamphlet, if it wasn’t for lawyers and lobbyists.