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Worse than these illegals thinking, and trying, trying fo invade USA, are the Americans who think they have a right to invade their country.

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Sure, this really looks like a well-armed invasion force hiding middle eastern terrorists and MS-13 gang members....

Trumpsters believe anything that comes out of his tanning bed addled brain - added by the lunatics at Faux News.

Trump - Russia - Faux News: the unholy trio manipulating the masses...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNNjTpqu4w

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These people are invading. They aren’t invited or welcome. They aren’t even welcome in Mexico.

I saw one Mexican man shouting, Trump is right, this is an invasion. Even they get it.

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I saw one Mexican man shouting, Trump is right, this is an invasion. Even they get it.

Who knew you could see TJ from Orange Co.!? Very Palin-esque of you.

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bass4funk: one? You gonna have to pump up this number...

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I guess we're going to find out pretty soon whether all those threats from Trump about using lethal force are really going to happen.

We can only hope that wiser heads than his prevail.

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Invasion. If not for the military and barriers they would have just come through without authorization just like they did in Mexico.

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"We don't want to!"

Then you should be rejected and blacklisted from entry to the U.S, not just now but permanently.

Come in through the front door in the proper way or be manhandled out the back door. Your choice.

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The migrants are mostly fleeing poverty and unrest in Central America's "Northern Triangle" -- El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras, where gang violence has fueled some of the highest murder rates in the world.

As much as I think Trump is a real DB personally and I disagree with many of his ideas and policies, the notion that people from any country can just walk into another country without going through the proper immigration channels is mind boggling. Although Americans who support illegal immigration are even more mind boggling.

If the Northern Triangle gang problem is at the root of this migration why doesn't the United States take a leadership role and move the Organization of American States to carry out a "coalition" military offensive to wipe out these criminals?

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These people are invading. They aren’t invited or welcome. They aren’t even welcome in Mexico.

I saw one Mexican man shouting, Trump is right, this is an invasion. Even they get it.

Looks like we need infowars on the case. Get them to edit the video ‘showing’ a lot more shouting this and have the Whitehouse retweet it.

Worked last time. Well, worked for Trump supporters.

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As much as I think Trump is a real DB personally and I disagree with many of his ideas and policies, the notion that people from any country can just walk into another country without going through the proper immigration channels is mind boggling.

Few Americans are calling for open borders, despite the hysterical blurtings of the carnival barker in the White House. What most have said is impoverished people fleeing violence aren't an existential threat, that we're not cowering in bunkers as a brown wave of terrorist-rapists threaten our very lives. That Trump won't distract us from his government of/by/for the corporations by using the bully pulpit to broadcast xenophobia.

Ahead of the midterms, a Monmouth laid things out pretty clearly. Among the takeaways:

-29 percent of Americans say they see the migrant caravan as a major threat to U.S.

-24 percent said they see the caravan as a minor threat

-39 percent say it is no real threat to the U.S.

-A majority of Republicans, 54 percent, said they see the caravan as a major threat, while just 11 percent of Democrats and 28 percent of independents reported the same

-7 in 10 Americans surveyed said the migrants should be given the opportunity to enter the country

Given how the election played out, Trump's fearmongering clearly didn't have much impact. He's merely reinforcing the views of people already committed to his white-nationalist restoration project. There used to be republicans who saw this as a long-term losing proposition. As the 2020s approach and the party's standard bearer continues to whip lily-white crowds into a frenzy, how exactly do you see this playing out at the ballot box? Can you disenfranchise a looming majority of Americans who don't look Swedish?

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Let us cross now, we're already desperate, we've left family in Honduras, we need to work," said a man called Wilson.

I guess the migrant organizers forgot to tell these good people that they cannot legally work in the USA for 180+ days after legally being allowed in.

So, we have people with an intent to violate US laws, demanding entry.

Here's the instructions for the I-765 form: https://www.uscis.gov/i-765 There is a US$410 fee to file.

You may apply for employment authorization if:

150 days have passed since you filed your complete asylum application, excluding any delays caused by you (such as a request to reschedule your interview) AND

No decision has been made on your application

Most people need to have 6+ months of USA living expenses if they don't have family to support them in the USA.

Anyone granted asylum can begin working immediately. However, there are a backlog of cases. It was 311,000 cases earlier in 2018, so immediate grants won't be happening. First come, first served. That's the American way. No jumping the line.

And let the down votes begin, but these are quotes from the USCIS.gov website.

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Looks like we need infowars on the case. Get them to edit the video ‘showing’ a lot more shouting this and have the Whitehouse retweet it.

Sadly, even the liberals can’t dispute that the Mexicans don’t want these migrants as well, wonder...them not wanting them....does that make them racists? Give it time, I’m sure liberals will make it the racist card work in some way. They keep stumbling. Lol

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First, these people have travelled more than 4000km in little over a month. This can't be done by walking or hitchhiking. Someone is providing transport, services, and encouragement. I'm sure there are some left wing groups at the bottom of this, doing their best to discredit the US government.

Second, I guess now that Trump's description of this group as an "invasion" is no longer ridiculous. A large group of men rushing into your country across an international bridge? What else would you call it?

Finally, the idea that these are families fleeing oppression can be finally put to rest. Any rational observation can see that these are mostly young, single men. The few women and children that are part of the group are often thrust to the front, so that they can be caught on camera by sympathetic media organizations. If their countries were so bad, why did they leave their families at home to suffer? Obviously these are just the usual economic migrants trying to get sympathy by falsely claiming refugee/asylum status.

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Well, the latest news is that the troops will not be armed, and are just there to support the police. I would comment, but I really don't know what to say.

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I guess we're going to find out pretty soon whether all those threats from Trump about using lethal force are really going to happen.

Do you have a source for your claim that he threatened to use lethal force?

we've left family in Honduras

If they were in a situation which justified asylum, why didn't they bring their families with them?

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Then again, the Salvation Army is busy passing out turkey, mashed potatoes, and veggies. Maybe our troops will support them by providing a nice Thanksgiving?

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The embankment collapses from an ant hole. There will be flood of unwelcome immigrants following if this is allowed. U.S.A. should take firm measures to stop them.

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I'm sure there are some left wing groups at the bottom of this, doing their best to discredit the US government.

Look, it's your country. If you don't want these people in there, that's up to you.

What you don't have to do is demonise them, call them an invasion force armed with rocks, say they're in the pay of sinister left wing groups aligned with Democrats, imply they're criminals, claim that they're being paid to do this, threaten to shoot them, and all the rest of the alarmist stuff intended to make these people look like something worse than what they are.

Single men or families, they're just poor people born into dysfunctional societies, trying to find a better life for themselves. That's it.

You might not like what they're trying to do, but if you were in their shoes chances are you'd be willing to do something pretty similar - even if did it involve breaking someone else's laws to do it.

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Trump is making the problem worse instead of solving it. The solution is simple: streamline the process of migration. But he is doing the opposite: clogging the process. The solution requires more immigration officials, but he sends military servicemen, instead, who are not trained for it. The solution requires more paths to be opened for more migration but he build more walls instead. He does not listen to American businesses and farmers who are screaming for migrant workers; instead, he himself screams fear-mongering words to incite white-nationalists who simply do not want colored-workers. Trump is not a solution to the problem; he is the problem.

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Dom Palmer:

Do you have a source for your claim that he threatened to use lethal force?

Jeez, there are so many... just Google "Trump threatens to use lethal force" and see all the responses you get. I've included one that might have some credibility with you...

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-says-us-troops-can-use-lethal-force-against-migrants-as-he-threatens-mexico-border-closure-11560569

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Given how the election played out, Trump's fearmongering clearly didn't have much impact.

Weak argument, for the majority of people or “women” to be more blunt overwhelmingly voted and felt that healthcare was their primary issue, so for many those votes were already decided. Trump just brought awareness to the issue and it seems to be working. Immigration wasn’t the prime or main reason. For the GOP the economy was the issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/some-tijuana-residents-rally-against-migrant-caravan/2018/11/18/adf6e902-e9f5-11e8-8449-1ff263609a31_story.html?utm_term=.2dfb2adc3764

This is perfect.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/meeting-the-caravan-common-sense

He's merely reinforcing the views of people already committed to his white-nationalist restoration project.

For the 23 people backwards out there?

There used to be republicans who saw this as a long-term losing proposition. As the 2020s approach and the party's standard bearer continues to whip lily-white crowds into a frenzy, how exactly do you see this playing out at the ballot box? Can you disenfranchise a looming majority of Americans who don't look Swedish?

This is such a boat load of crap. Liberals in their own blindness and racial hatred claim they are so tolerant, they neglect one racial minority in the country especially Black neighborhoods, leave these people to fend for themselves, they don’t care about their poverty, gun violence or economic plight, but because they want to bring in new voters as fast as they can, they want and will forsake the safety of the country in oder to keep or borders open to allow anyone in asylum seeker or not. For them, it’s all about increasing their voting blocks, very sad.

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Let them in! Let them in!

(Just to piss off Trump fans heh)

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I do feel sorry for them, but feelings generally make bad policy. They need to go home and make their own countries more liveable. They don't look like they are starving- most seem healthy, have cell phones, etc. Sure they may be poor, but frankly so what. Lots of poor people in the world, doesn't mean that they all have the right to crash the borders of their more prosperous neighbours.

And maybe threatening to shoot them is what is needed if they don't listen to reason. These folks have been fed a line of BS by someone and encouraged to do what they are doing. They need a clear and direct answer.

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This is a tough call.

As one poster pointed out; If I was in the same situation I would also be trying to get asylum somewhere.

On the other hand continuing to accept people into the U.S. is not going to solve the problem.

I rarely agree with Trump and do not see him as fit for office but his plan of having the asylum seekers wait in Mexico (who has already offered them asylum) might be the best course of action.

The conditions in Honduras do sound terrible. Why can't the Honduran government solve this problem?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7795061/honduran-gangs-infiltrating-migrant-caravans-bloody-violence-america/

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Conservatives sure didn't pay attention in primary school when we were learning the meanings of words. It's hilarious watching them demonstrate their complete ignorance and pervasive hate.

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What you don't have to do is demonise them, call them an invasion force armed with rocks, say they're in the pay of sinister left wing groups aligned with Democrats, imply they're criminals, claim that they're being paid to do this, threaten to shoot them, and all the rest of the alarmist stuff intended to make these people look like something worse than what they are.

You do if you lack common decency, are incapable of arguing in good faith, or if your goal is empowering an authoritarian to preside over a libertarian hellscape.

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Tokyo-Engr, I doubt if the Sun is going to help your figure things out. The government was trying to improve conditions before the 2009 coup, which had the tacit approval of the neoliberals running the world at the time. This is blowback. You keep the majority of people in crippling poverty so giant transnational agribusiness can continue to repatriate all the profits, and naturally bad actors are going to capitalize within Honduran society. It's a century old blueprint:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/31/hillary-clinton-honduras-violence-manuel-zelaya-berta-caceres

See also:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

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Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States." US exported $276 billion worth of goods to Mexico in 2017, shutting the border will hurt American exporters just as much

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I do feel sorry for them, but feelings generally make bad policy. They need to go home and make their own countries more liveable. They don't look like they are starving- most seem healthy, have cell phones, etc. Sure they may be poor, but frankly so what. Lots of poor people in the world, doesn't mean that they all have the right to crash the borders of their more prosperous neighbours

Fair points. The answer to the problem of troubled countries can’t be to empty them out. Another argument which makes sense to me is allowing in those who ‘crash’ borders is an insult to those who try to enter the country through the correct channels.

When you got to the idea of threatening to shoot them you lost me. This isn’t how civilised countries should behave.

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Trump's support base of 23.9 % of the voting public who scream "build the wall" at his rallies will be watching how this plays out closely. He will not dare let the down so it may well get ugly. These guys have come a long way from Honduras and will not be planning on returning. Did someone feed the idea to these people that America would somehow just let them walk in?

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They are ASYLUM SEEKERS, not invaders. The Trump administration is IMPOTENT at processing their claims because of their lack of experience in GOVERNING. Frankly, the Trump administration is a DISGRACE.

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“They are ASYLUM SEEKERS, not invaders”

Yeah, who march toward my country’s border waving Honduran flags.

“The Trump administration is IMPOTENT at processing their claims because of their lack of experience in GOVERNING. “

Nope. Because the Trump Administration doesn’t want them in USA, period. What’s the matter with you?

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Viewing scenes of the border, it looks like the wall needs to be much taller.

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Why do they want to go to America? I accept that their countries are destroyed by Americans desire to consume illegal drugs...but when they get there, they will be subject to abject poverty, homelessness, racism, exploitation etc.

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Jimizo; Fair enough. What do you think would be a reasonable reaction then? I would like to hear your alternative to threatening to shoot them that does not wind up with them all getting across the border.

They are NOT asylum seekers. They lost that status when they did not apply for asylum in Mexico. By international law, asylum seekers are required to stop fleeing as soon as they are safe, and then apply for asylum in that country. They are NOT allowed to shop for the best/richest place to request asylum.

Goodluck; their countries were destroyed by inner turmoil, corruption, nepotism, and lack of respect for the rule of law. Not America's fault in the slightest.

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Why do they want to go to America?

The link below explains why. In Honduras and El Salvador, unimaginable levels of violence, a homicide rate dwarfing even that of the USA. Crime, extortion, the channelling of the illegal drugs trade through their countries (as you say, a trade to satisfy US citizens appetites for drugs) and entrenched corruption in every area of public administration and law. No hope for young people trying to make a meaningful life for themselves, unless of course they want to get involved in some of the above in which case life is probably going to be short.

Other posters have said that these are problems Hondurans have to sort out, and that's at least partly true. But that's going to take a very long time, and in the meantime, despite abject poverty, homelessness, racism, exploitation etc., life in the USA still looks better than it is at home.

That's why the demonization of these people should be repugnant to us all.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/central-americas-violent-northern-triangle

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A question to the pro-invasion crowd: Imagine, say, 50-100 strangers climbed over your fence and are pounding on your back door with their fists demanding that you let them in; that you house them, feed them, pay for their medical care, give they a portion of the money you make. Are you going to welcome them? Anyone with a shred of common sense would call the police because you don’t know any of those wanting to get into your house.

Yes, these people may be civilians, but so are you; so are the rest of us. All the invaders in the so-called caravan will become criminals if they decide to storm our southern border. If they don’t want to get hurt, they should turn around and go back home.

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BigYen; what you say may very well be true. In that case, why the hell did all these men leave their FAMILIES behind in such a terrible situation? If the situation were truly that dire, they would surely all leave together. The fact that the men left. and the wives/kids stayed behind tells me that this is basically an economic decision, not a matter of safety.

As an aside, I am sure that most of them are good people, hard working and want to lift themselves out of poverty. So what? That doesn't give them the right to violate the sovereignty of other nations. They can do things the legal way and apply for visas like the hundreds of thousands of others from around the world who want to live in the USA.

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Attilathehungry:

It's often the case, even with legal migration, that it's the men who make the move and go elsewhere, leaving their families behind. In the case of the route from central to North America, the route the men follow is a pretty dangerous one and maybe not one they want to subject the family to. The men find a job, send back money, and either the wife and kids either follow later in a safer way or use the money sent to them (remittances) to improve their lives back home. Whole communities can live that way.

Re doing things the legal way, the first sentence of my first post was:

Look, it's your country. If you don't want these people in there, that's up to you.

But neither you (I assume) nor I are living lives of dire poverty, surrounded by crime and hopelessness. If we did, we'd feel differently about everything.

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A question to the pro-invasion crowd: Imagine, say, 50-100 strangers climbed over your fence and are pounding on your back door with their fists demanding that you let them in

I don't know about your house, but my house doesn't have my own private police force backed up by an army contingent numbering in the thousands to protect it.

Since you've got all that, and only a few hundred rock-throwing unarmed civilians to deal with, why are you all running so scared?

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Jcapan The guardian article was a very interesting link. Hillary's choices on the matter pretty much screwed up the entire situation in the Honduras making way for the military/corrupt corporate coup. She made an extremely ignorant choice and it is biting us in the @$$.

Not America's fault in the slightest.

Sorry Atilla, unfortunately the US head of the state department at the time (Hill Clinton) did help in creating the situation. Hillary was head of state at the time... and she done f'ed up. I'd still pick her over Trump though... better the devil you know and all that. Plus she would be more likely to listen to the people compared to "It's ALL about me!" Trump.

As I said, neither party can claim higher ground in certain aspect to how this country is at times.

We have to take responsibility as far as helping to repair their country due to the negative consequences of our involvement, but we don't have the responsibility to take them into our country just because they want in.

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A question to the pro-invasion crowd: 

Therw is no pro-invasion crowd. There are simply people that are against dehumanizing others out of fear and utter ignorance.

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A question to the pro-invasion crowd: Imagine, say, 50-100 strangers climbed over your fence and are pounding on your back door with their fists demanding that you let them in; that you house them, feed them, pay for their medical care, give they a portion of the money you make. Are you going to welcome them? Anyone with a shred of common sense would call the police because you don’t know any of those wanting to get into your house.

Common sense is not something I associated with Trumpsters...but to answer your question;

If a family or mother and child came to my house, hungry, persecuted, abused, and in need of help, I'd do my best to assist them. I think that's the Christian (and decent) thing to do.

In fact, I think we should start calling these migrants the Christian Family Caravan - they are from Latin America which is almost all Catholic. So what about it Trumpsters, are you going to help your fellow Christians or are you going to continue to advocate they be met with deadly force?

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Common sense is not something I associated with Trumpsters...but to answer your question;

Which is totally subjective.

If a family or mother and child came to my house, hungry, persecuted, abused, and in need of help, I'd do my best to assist them. I think that's the Christian (and decent) thing to do.

I agree, but that doesn’t mean, I have to open my house to every stranger. Where do you draw the line. Take a trip to TJ with a cab, get out and you’ll be surrounded by a bunch of kids trying to sell you some Chiclets. Now as a father and someone who loves kids, my instinct is to help them, give a few coins and buy the gum to help them. I can do that once or twice, but to do that every single day as it won’t stop becomes too much and an impossible task, so the best thing would be to call the authorities and give them the help they need without putting myself in any jeopardy or burden. You can be nice, thoughtful, helpful, but you need to be smart as well.

In fact, I think we should start calling these migrants the Christian Family Caravan - they are from Latin America which is almost all Catholic. So what about it Trumpsters, are you going to help your fellow Christians or are you going to continue to advocate they be met with deadly force?

Religion has nothing to do with breaking the law. History has shown us this.

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Wait a minute, just last week CNN said they were a thousand miles away...

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Lost-In-Nagoya. Worse than these illegals thinking, and trying, trying fo invade USA, are the Americans who think they have a right to invade their country.

The US Government has sent its military to invade some countries because the US Government was invited by the Government or the peoples. The US military gone to help the problematic country because the Government was unable to fight against terrorism that also threatening to the world security too.

However, the US was not going for colonized the country it invaded like what the French, the Spanish and the British Governments had done in the past. These Countries had stolen the natural resources without paid and the peoples were oppressed and enslaved as well as stolen the artifacts and never return to the owners. The US Government didn't steal and didn't take freely anything from the country the US Military invaded.

On the other hand, the US Government has given billions of dollars in aid for to rebuild country, but the corrupt Government and its officials are stealing hundred of million dollars from the US Government's aid. The US Government mistake was pushing Democracy in Muslim Country which the majority Muslims do not want and do not understand. The Muslims want "Sharia" law and Western law. The Western Governments should let the Muslims to rule their country by the Islamic tradition and Sharia law. The Western democracy has no place in the Islamic country.

By the way, those Central American migrants shouldn't cross into the US because they must register and apply for asylum in a first and safe country if they want to apply refugee in the US. They should get a temporary resident Visa in Mexico and then apply for asylum in the US.

Confrontation with the US border guards won't be sorting out their problem. The confrontation with the US border guard will make them ineligible for the asylum in the US.

They will lose nothing if they take up the Mexican Government offer for a temporary residency permit and allow to work in Mexico.

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If a family or mother and child came to my house, hungry, persecuted, abused, and in need of help, I'd do my best to assist them. I think that's the Christian (and decent) thing to do.

In fact, I think we should start calling these migrants the Christian Family Caravan - they are from Latin America which is almost all Catholic. So what about it Trumpsters, are you going to help your fellow Christians or are you going to continue to advocate they be met with deadly force?

Not everyone is Christian in the US. Nor is everyone religious. Also my Christian (and currently Catholic) conservative mother did this and there have unfortunately been more times that it turned into a bad situation. The main thing one needs to remember with this kind of idealistic optimism is that discretion matters.

And another thing one needs to remember is we already have enough people (US citizens mind you) that are hungry, abused, and definitely in need of help. I can't tell you how many times I just go on my way to work and see tents lined up by the river nearby, or people who are living out of their cars.

Religion has nothing to do with breaking the law. History has shown us this.

Wow, something I can actually agree with you on. It's been a long time.

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Interesting, out if thousands still hundreds of miles away, only this tiny group of a couple hundred men made it to thr border? Yeah right. Looks like we have the first of some Democrat party plants probably rounded up over the last couple days to pretend to be migrants or democrats enticed a hundred or do into a couple buses paid to gather on this bridge and agitate. What a joke.

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Colombians were able to turn their country around after decades of being the center of the cocaine trade for the world. Colombia is a nice place to visit these days.

So Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala have a map to follow. The people in each country have to decide and follow through. Nothing less than their country is at stake.

70% of Americans want to end illegal immigration while supporting LEGAL immigration.

Religion has nothing to do with this. Religious peoples should be helping these good people in their own countries of that is what their imaginary friend tells them to do.

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If a family or mother and child came to my house, hungry, persecuted, abused, and in need of help, I'd do my best to assist them -- comment

There is no "do my best to assist them" in the original scenario. The question I posed to the pro-invader crowd at this site is what would you do if 50-100 total strangers are pounding on your back door with clinched fists after climbing over your fence demanding that you let them in; that you house them, feed them, pick up the tab for their medical care, education, and you give them a portion of what you -- or, rather, your parents -- make for the rest of your/their life, no questions asked?

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