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Well yes, as a Putin stooge he would say that. Fortunately NATO minus Hungary and Trump will not shamelessly push for surrender.

13 ( +26 / -13 )

We already knew Orban was an idiot.

Orban is to Trump, as Trump is to Putin.

8 ( +24 / -16 )

Orban is exactly right. Meanwhile the hapless Joe Biden stumbles from calamity to calamity. His utter inneffectualness makes the US look old, weak and decaying - just like Biden himself.

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TobleroneToday 06:19 am JST

Orban is exactly right. Meanwhile the hapless Joe Biden stumbles from calamity to calamity. His utter inneffectualness makes the US look old, weak and decaying - just like Biden himself.

Nope, a MAGA surrender makes the US look weak and the rest is just MAGA fantasies.

10 ( +24 / -14 )

Orban is exactly right. Meanwhile the hapless Joe Biden stumbles from calamity to calamity. His utter inneffectualness makes the US look old, weak and decaying - just like Biden himself.

That's the Putin/Maga/Trump/Orban take on it.

I'm sure Xi and Kim would also agree.

12 ( +23 / -11 )

Orban just another PUTAin and Trump lapdog!

Dicktators and wanna-be-dicktators united!

It's time to put an end to that charade!

2 ( +13 / -11 )

Hungary's Orban says Trump's comeback as president 'only serious chance' for end of Ukraine war

Makes sense. Putin invaded Crimea under Obama-Biden, further invaded Ukraine under Biden-Harris, yet knew well enough to not try any land grabbing there under Trump.

-20 ( +8 / -28 )

Putin’s cheerleaders

12 ( +23 / -11 )

Zibala,

right!

Because Trump is PUTAin's lapdog!

Trump would sell out everything to have it his way (money in his pockets)!

Remember the secret documents?

Remember him wanting President Zelenskyy find dirt on Hunter - or elsewise ......

People tend to forget too much, too often, too fast!

10 ( +20 / -10 )

Orban is no more than racist European trash

-8 ( +10 / -18 )

@toblerone: the US look old, weak and decayin

In general I agree, and the globe's authoritarians via theirand MAGA's authoritarian wannabe the TP Guy, his GQOP lemmings and his rabid idolators are doing whatever they can to weaken the country even more by further dividing it. Spare me your 'that would be's'. MAGAs have the freedom to move to a country like Belarus, where they can be controlled by an authoritarian directly controlled by the far right's uthoritarian in chief. The grand Kleptocrat, the baby killer itself, Vlad the Barbarian. MAGAs like their idol and his media express their hatred of the US, while somehow claiming to be something they call in their lexicon 'patriots'

8 ( +14 / -6 )

He is not a stooge, he is a democratically elected leader.

So was Trump. Clearly one can be elected, and still be a stooge.

11 ( +21 / -10 )

Nobody likes truth talkers!

-13 ( +9 / -22 )

Trump and Orban in short skirts with pompoms jumping up and down for Putin. Excited yet brainless.

9 ( +17 / -8 )

Orban - the man who signed Hungary to Communist China's Belt and Road Scam, and all the associated debt that comes with it. Not sure he is the best person to speak out on international relations.

12 ( +20 / -8 )

Thuban,

then how about this:

"Much of Orbán’s electoral success results from an election system crafted (by Orban!) to ensure that any division in the opposition automatically generates supermajorities for the ruling party."

And this:

"After the 2018 election, Orbán established the Central European Press and Media Foundation, a foundation to which loyal oligarchs “donated” more than five-hundred media outlets to form a right-wing news conglomerate reliably loyal to Orbán." (and there is much more!!)

Maybe you want to get the facts before praising little wanna-be-dictator Orban and others like him!

9 ( +16 / -7 )

In general I agree, and the globe's authoritarians via theirand MAGA's authoritarian wannabe the TP Guy, his GQOP lemmings and his rabid idolators are doing whatever they can to weaken the country

It’s already weak.

even more by further dividing it.

We have been divided since 2008

'Spare me your 'that would be's'. MAGAs have the freedom to move to a country like Belarus,

Liberals can move as well.

where they can be controlled by an authoritarian directly controlled by the far right's uthoritarian in chief.

No, they just want this President to finish out his term so that we can turn the page by not have a woke, gender first, bias, two tier justice system.

MAGAs like their idol and his media express their hatred of the US,

No, if they hated the U.S. they would be on the same warpath to try and change our culture and customs at every turn.

while somehow claiming to be something they call in their lexicon 'patriots'

We are. That is why we are America first and foremost and think we shouldn’t give anymore humanitarian aid to Ukraine, our country should come first.

-15 ( +8 / -23 )

@strangereL: t looks like he may get 5 or 6.

The 'he' in the above refers to the failed insurrectionist, the guy from Florida that called the mostly Black election workers 'Riggers' which made his lilly MAGAs titter, any other reasonable person see him for what he actually is, which is the gross divider, a guy doing the bidding of despots around the globe

9 ( +14 / -5 )

Funny how all the pro-fascist cheerleaders were saying that fascist Russia is heading for an "imminent victory" over Ukraine, that Ukraine is on the "brink of defeat"...yet now have changed and believe the war will keep going for at least another year.

So which is it, fascist supporters?

7 ( +14 / -7 )

The 'he' in the above refers to the failed insurrectionist,

Riot.

the guy from Florida that called the mostly Black election workers 'Riggers' which made his lilly MAGAs titter, any other reasonable person see him for what he actually is,

See him as what, now what and where do the left see something racist?

which is the gross divider, a guy doing the bidding of despots around the globe

The left see racist in any and everything, when you don’t agree with them, pull out the race card, anything that the left has a problem with including language, they will try to find racist tropes in anything, now Rigger is racist? Loving a white Labrador is also seen as racist according to the left, just absolutely laughable!

-13 ( +6 / -19 )

Hungary's Orban says Trump's comeback as president 'only serious chance' for end of Ukraine war

I thought the rule established by the alt-rightists in this forum was that non-Americans can't participate in the US electoral process and have no right to an opinion on the subject?

“I respect him (Trump) very much,” Orbán told the forum in Turkey. “I like mavericks and he is like that.”

So as an American I think Orban should just step back and shut his trap with the reheated, pointless MAGA rhetoric.

10 ( +16 / -6 )

So as an American I think Orban should just step back and shut his trap with the reheated, pointless MAGA rhetoric.

I feel the same about Zelenskyy, but here we are, these men can say what they want, but I wish Zelenskyy would just go away.

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bass4funkToday 07:29 am JST

We have been divided since 2008

It's okay, you can admit electing a black president had something to do with it.

MAGAs like their idol and his media express their hatred of the US,

No, if they hated the U.S. they would be on the same warpath to try and change our culture and customs at every turn.

Now let's bring in public funding of religious schools and ban contraception, amirite?

while somehow claiming to be something they call in their lexicon 'patriots'

We are. That is why we are America first and foremost and think we shouldn’t give anymore humanitarian aid to Ukraine, our country should come first.

A literally nonsense statement: the proposed Ukraine aid is 1% of the US budget. And 90% of that is in the form of hardware, which you claim to support sending to Ukraine.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

I feel the same about Zelenskyy, but here we are, these men can say what they want

Funny how you say the very opposite when a foreign leader criticises Trump.

 I wish Zelenskyy would just go away.

The man is defending his sovereign nation from invasion by a fascist, murderous, scum regime. Of course you don't like Zelenskyy.

10 ( +17 / -7 )

It's okay, you can admit electing a black president had something to do with it.

It definitely played a part, with many right-wing voters. All right-wingers are not neo-Nazis, but all Neo-Nazis...

I think the bigger thing however was that the right had freaked out after 9-11, and as the people started to push back against their unreasonableness, they dug their heels in and doubled-down. So when the people dared elect a democrat, particularly a black one, they lost it even more than in the Clinton era. Bring in the Tea Party, and the beginning of the right-wing obstructionism, that is now facing a head with a congress that not only can't pass any laws, but can barely even pay the bills.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

Orban - as a youth student was arrested and imprisoned by the local secret police under the USSR.

But he is 'pro-Moscow stooge' is the narrative.

-15 ( +6 / -21 )

Orban's right, though war support continues to fade in US, Europe and Ukraine. More people inside Ukraine want to settle the war if you believe NHK and other polling. 10year Ukraine Civil war largely resolved now, former Ukrainians not giving up their Russian citizenship.

US voters have a clear choice in Nov, Open borders, Ukraine War, record deficits, crime, high prices or solutions to get US & World back to peace and prosperity.

-14 ( +6 / -20 )

Orban is saying out loud what can't be said in 'normal' quarters. His foreign minister is just as sharp.

The EU has shot themselves in the foot. The new honest broker in Europe lives in Budapest.

-15 ( +5 / -20 )

It's okay, you can admit electing a black president had something to do with it.

No, since it was whites that dragged him over the finish line.

Now let's bring in public funding of religious schools and ban contraception, amirite?

So you’re saying the government should fund contraceptions?

A literally nonsense statement:

No, spot on!

the proposed Ukraine aid is 1% of the US budget.

But that’s still what, a little over a billion?

And 90% of that is in the form of hardware,

It’s not quite specific. There shouldn’t be ANY

aid whatsoever.

-15 ( +4 / -19 )

People criticism PM Orban, but he's been an eyewitness to Ukraine's now 10year civil war, Hungary's had many seek refugee status from Ukraine. He wants peace in the region, open-ended war will accomplish nothing other than more death and destruction as Ukraine empties into failed state status and risks global escalation.

Great that people like Orban expressing their views, that's the strength of Democracy. Oban's also seen firsthand the Yugoslavian Civil War, how partitioning works to secure safety and life goes back to normal.

-17 ( +3 / -20 )

We are going to get to see Trump still get denied the Nobel Peace Prize after putting an end to both wars soon after reentering office.

-17 ( +5 / -22 )

The new honest broker in Europe lives in Budapest.

Honest? Laughable. Such a genius broker that he signed Hungary up to Xi's Belt and Road scam - the least "honest" international contract of all.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Hope Springs ....

Fact: Most Ukrainians still support President Zelenskyy!

Fact: All Ukrainians won't surrender to that little "Gremlin-dictator" in Moscow!

Ukraine prevails!

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JJEToday 07:57 am JST

Orban - as a youth student was arrested and imprisoned by the local secret police under the USSR.

But he is 'pro-Moscow stooge' is the narrative.

Anybody can foul up later in life.

4 ( +9 / -5 )

Orban has inked a deal for investment which will see BYD make their premier European factory in Hungary. That's the biggest electric car producer/exporter in the world. It overtook Tesla recently, much to Musk's chagrin (who certain quarters dislike). One in three cars produced - and exported - from the China automotive industry are electric.

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BlacklabelToday 08:07 am JST

We are going to get to see Trump still get denied the Nobel Peace Prize after putting an end to both wars soon after reentering office.

The committee ought to at least wait for the Taiwan takeover by the CCP and the breakout of WW3 when the US is treaty bound to defend the Baltics/Balkans. All direct consequences of the MAGA surrender.

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bass4funkToday 08:05 am JST

And 90% of that is in the form of hardware,

It’s not quite specific. There shouldn’t be ANY

aid whatsoever.

I think it is specific that 90% goes to weapons. And you wouldn't bat an eyelash at sending cash to Israel.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Hungary is one of thirteen countries worldwide that are benefiting from current Russian nuclear power plants in construction. This will help lower the carbon footprint.

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HopeSpringsEternalToday 08:02 am JST

Orban's right, though war support continues to fade in US, Europe and Ukraine. More people inside Ukraine want to settle the war if you believe NHK and other polling. 10year Ukraine Civil war largely resolved now, former Ukrainians not giving up their Russian citizenship.

A majority in Ukraine continue to support the war. And the war is not resolved as long as Putin is grabbing more.

US voters have a clear choice in Nov, Open borders, Ukraine War, record deficits, crime, high prices or solutions to get US & World back to peace and prosperity.

And if they are dumb enough to believe Trump can make a positive difference to any of that, they deserve what they get.

People criticism PM Orban, but he's been an eyewitness to Ukraine's now 10year civil war, Hungary's had many seek refugee status from Ukraine. He wants peace in the region, open-ended war will accomplish nothing other than more death and destruction as Ukraine empties into failed state status and risks global escalation.

The only peace will come from Putin being denied his ambitions.

Great that people like Orban expressing their views, that's the strength of Democracy. Oban's also seen firsthand the Yugoslavian Civil War, how partitioning works to secure safety and life goes back to normal.

You should tell JJE and some of our other Serbian friends how they are better off.

5 ( +9 / -4 )

Blacklabel

We are going to get to see Trump still get denied the Nobel Peace Prize after putting an end to both wars soon after reentering office.

Well, Trump doesn't want peace, he wants a Russian victory.

Which is fine, because he's never going to be elected president again.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

Trump wants an end to pointless deadly and expensive hostilities, much like in Yugoslavia back in 1998. It's time to partition, restore stability and rebuild.

All those former Ukrainians in east and south not giving up their Russian Federation citizenship, they fought for it due to Kiev Admin's well know and established anti-democratic behaviors they experienced, including property, citizenship and human rights violations.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Trump's happy to have this Ukraine debate with Biden, as American's don't want opened ended US Globalist Special Interest project trying to destabilize Russia.

Americans don't want WW III with nuclear powers, rather more concerned about domestic matters, Trump gets it.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

We are going to get to see Trump still get denied the Nobel Peace Prize after putting an end to both wars soon after reentering office.

Only if you call his "office" his cell at Leavenworth...

Another example of the authoritarian/Russian/MAGA axis of evil that we see more of each day....

They'll soon be welcoming Xi and The Mullahs to their club...

7 ( +11 / -4 )

the MAGA surrender.

good boy!

Who is “MAGA” fighting though?

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

Only if you call his "office" his cell at Leavenworth...

nope. President of the United States of America.

-9 ( +5 / -14 )

Another reason never to allow Trump in office, if Hungry and Russia prefer him.

The US needs all the friends with similar values as we can get. That isn't Trump. I can't believe our laws allow someone with his legal record to run for office anywhere. We need to fix that.

7 ( +13 / -6 )

It's winding down, Scholz won't hand over Taurus missiles, that's a clear sign that there's no will to escalate, rather negotiate. We're just going thru the deadly motions, question's really pre-Nov or not?

Whether Trump or Biden, probably won't matter much.

-9 ( +3 / -12 )

Only hope for Biden is to force Zelensky to surrender before Nov so he can claim the peace for his own re-election chances.

so no “spring offensive” this year too?

-12 ( +4 / -16 )

HopeSpringsEternal

Trump's happy to have this Ukraine debate with Biden, as American's don't want opened ended US Globalist Special Interest project trying to destabilize Russia.

What are you talking about? Nobody is trying to destabilise Russia! News Flash: Russia invaded Ukraine.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

so no “spring offensive” this year too?

To give you guys credit, you've well achieved your goal of helping Putin ensure that doesn't happen. You're really good at wrecking things when you try.

8 ( +12 / -4 )

Blacklabel

Only hope for Biden is to force Zelensky to surrender before Nov so he can claim the peace for his own re-election chances.

Biden is no coward. You have to wonder what dirt Putin has on Trump. But, seriously, Trump just loves dictators.

Biden will have no problem securing another 4 years.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

There is nothing Putin would relish more than Biden for another 4 (maybe) years. Orban understands this.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Yeah Putin endorsed Biden, did he not?

-8 ( +4 / -12 )

Yeah Putin endorsed Biden, did he not?

Yeah. Of course, to support MAGA, by giving you the talking point you so quickly picked up, Smirnov.

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JJE

There is nothing Putin would relish more than Biden for another 4 (maybe) years. Orban understands this.

Yeah, right! Trump comes to power and the US abandons Ukraine and NOTO allowing Putin to do "whatever the hell he wants".

And you think Putin wants Biden in power?

5 ( +10 / -5 )

Trump wants an end to pointless deadly and expensive hostilities, much like in Yugoslavia back in 1998. It's time to partition, restore stability and rebuild

Is that the Yugoslavia you told us broke up into 3 distinct countries?

By the way, which podcaster told you that?

Anyway, Orban is an insignificant little bigot. Those who watch Tucker Carlson may have been told to have a high opinion of him but they’ll believe anything.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

Yeah, right! Trump comes to power and the US abandons Ukraine and NOTO allowing Putin to do "whatever the hell he wants".

I can’t remember the Trump supporter reaction to Trump saying Putin can do whatever the hell he wants.

What was it?

7 ( +11 / -4 )

Yeah Putin endorsed Biden, did he not?

After watching Trump play his flock for fools for eight years, Putin knows how easy it is to manipulate the MAGA-masses...and we see examples of it here multiple times each day...

7 ( +11 / -4 )

I don't 'think' Putin wants Biden in 'power'. He said it brazenly - with reason. Orban is looking at the bigger picture and full well understands the chaos that will ultimately come with a rump state on the Hungarian border.

-12 ( +2 / -14 )

Orban also wants rights for the Transcarpathian Hungarian minority. On this, he is absolutely correct. They are fine people with a distinct culture, language and history.

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

What was it?

contribute to your own defense the proper amount and don’t be a freeloader was my response. Then they won’t have to worry about it. It was an “IF” statement.

-11 ( +3 / -14 )

Yeah. Of course, to support MAGA, by giving you the talking point you so quickly picked up, Smirnov.

Remains as fact: Putin has endorsed Biden.

The elderly guy with a poor memory who, once he escapes prosecution for crimes, is transformed into an active man with vigor who doesn’t even need a cognitive exam.

-10 ( +5 / -15 )

contribute to your own defense the proper amount and don’t be a freeloader was my response.

Sounds like something your boy said recently. Your boy who currently is having troubles paying his bills...

4 ( +10 / -6 )

Remains as fact: Putin has endorsed Biden.

Remains as fact: He gave MAGA and Trump a talking point he knew they would latch on to

The elderly guy with a poor memory who, once he escapes prosecution for crimes, is transformed into an active man with vigor who doesn’t even need a cognitive exam.

Enough about your boy already.

5 ( +11 / -6 )

Remains as fact: He gave MAGA and Trump a talking point he knew they would latch on to

Nope that’s called your “opinion” about the fact that was said.

-9 ( +6 / -15 )

Nope that’s called your “opinion” about the fact that was said.

Fact: It's a talking point

Fact: It came from Putin

Fact: You are regurgitating it.

All facts.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

nope. President of the United States of America.

Well, that’s right.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

All facts

Mostly Correct. But more a public endorsement that became a talking point.

and what you claim it means and the intention of him saying it?

Your….Opinion.

lol.

-10 ( +4 / -14 )

Mostly Correct. But more a public endorsement that became a talking point.

Says the guy who put it out there as a talking point:

Yeah Putin endorsed Biden, did he not?

Oh dear...

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I don't 'think' Putin wants Biden in 'power'. He said it brazenly - with reason.

Yes of course. That's why he sent Smirnov to help the Republicans smear Biden. He wants Biden to lose because he prefers Biden as president.

I'm sure Putin would prefer a president who is prepared to arm Ukraine indefintely rather than one who is devoted to its surrender.

Putin wants a longer war and more dead Russians. That makes perfect sense.

7 ( +12 / -5 )

and what you claim it means and the intention of him saying it? 

Your….Opinion.

Opinions, we all have them.

-11 ( +4 / -15 )

And some are based on selling out your country to the dictator of a foreign nation, because you sold out to a snake oil salesman.

7 ( +11 / -4 )

When I need advice on winning the next world war, Hungary would be the second to last country I would go to. Maybe third to last.

6 ( +11 / -5 )

That has all the proper buzz words but makes no sense when all lumped together.

-12 ( +3 / -15 )

That has all the proper buzz words but makes no sense when all lumped together.

As much sense as Putin saying that he favours a man who wants to defend Ukraine rather than one who doesn't?

7 ( +11 / -4 )

That has all the proper buzz words but makes no sense when all lumped together.

You thought Trump's ramblings about pretending he won in 2020 made sense.

Trust me, I lose no sleep whether someone like that thinks something makes sense or not. They clearly don't have a very good grasp on what does or doesn't make sense.

8 ( +11 / -3 )

That has all the proper buzz words but makes no sense when all lumped together.

Bingo!

-10 ( +3 / -13 )

Trust me, I lose no sleep whether someone like that thinks something makes sense or not.

Same here

They clearly don't have a very good grasp on what does or doesn't make sense.

Ditto

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

PM Orban understands that tolerance of minorities is essential for any 'democracy'. Hungary's doing a good job, so is Russia, but NOT Ukraine!

Ukraine's 10year civil war, founded upon the anti-democratic mistreatment of their Russian speaking minority (and Hungarian!) citizens. It's for this reason PM Orban's so sympathetic with Putin and none too happy with the US Oligarchy Globalist puppet Kiev regime.

-6 ( +6 / -12 )

Blacklabel

All facts

Mostly Correct. But more a public endorsement that became a talking point.

It's only an endorsement if Putin means it.

The only fact is that he said it.

Thinking it's an endorsement is an opinion.

6 ( +8 / -2 )

Orban misses harmony in his region, where country of origin mattered a lot less. This divide and conquer approach to Eastern Europe by the US Globalists and their NATO tools, not very livable or workable for most.

-9 ( +4 / -13 )

Putin mentioned in his Carlson interview his first road trip through Ukraine (1970s) and he described areas where he pulled his car up, basically Zakarpattia area in which they spoke dialects he could not understand in full - which means Hungarian and Slovak. They also dressed like them too and they didn't speak Ukrainian language. Obviously while he gassed his car and did a B&B they conversed in Russian (French and German not quite working).

-10 ( +2 / -12 )

JJE

in which they spoke dialects he could not understand in full - which means Hungarian

Hungarian isn't a dialect - it isn't even a slavic language. It bears no resemblance to Russian or Ukrainian.

7 ( +10 / -3 )

Sorry, didn't mean to imply the Hungarian language is not from Eastern Europe.

-11 ( +2 / -13 )

As much sense as Putin saying that he favours a man who wants to defend Ukraine rather than one who doesn't?

Putin seems to like learning things the hard way. Maybe he enjoys a challenge and doesn’t want an easy go of things? Hard times create strong men and all.

6 ( +9 / -3 )

BlacklabelToday 08:38 am JST

Who is “MAGA” fighting though?

Decency and what was left of their manhood.

6 ( +10 / -4 )

They are fine people 

Who are not a fine people, in your opinion? And I am sure they are just lovely, it’s just that they are sitting 0-2 in world wars, so it is natural for the rest of us to question both their skillset and their judgment.

5 ( +8 / -3 )

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