Hungary declares emergency; seals border, detains migrants

The turmoil at the Hungarian-Serbian border came a day after the 28-nation EU failed to come up with a united immigration policy at a contentious meeting in Brussels. The ministers did agree to share responsibility for 40,000 people seeking refuge in overwhelmed Italy and Greece and spoke hopefully of reaching an eventual deal on which EU nations would take 120,000 more refugees, including some from Hungary.

Italy, my country, is living such a huge emergency for a long time, way before than Hungary, Austria or Germany. My poor country is a mess at this point, BUT we NEVER closed our burders.

@Alex80"BUT we NEVER closed our borders".

This is a deadly mistake. What all those economic migrants will demand tomorrow?

Closing the borders was inevitable, the situation is unsustainable.

With the borders open the refugees ego te Germany. Closed, they remain around Hungary.

This is a deadly mistake. What all those economic migrants will demand tomorrow?

It could be a mistake, but as a member of the EU we always played our role with responsability, without closing the borders or sending people back. Now that the crisis is touching Germany, Austria and Hungary, they react creating their own rules and closing the borders whenever they want, so the migrants can remain only where they arrive, like in Italy and in Greece.

Alex80 - Italy, my country, is living such a huge emergency for a long time, way before than Hungary, Austria or Germany. My poor country is a mess at this point, BUT we NEVER closed our burders.

I don't recall see any stories about these refugees trying to enter Italy. Are they entering Italy, or are they seeking a country with a better economy and richer taxpayers?

I don't recall see any stories about these refugees trying to enter Italy. Are they entering Italy, or are they seeking a country with a better economy and richer taxpayers?

Really? You have a very weak memory. Are you kidding? Or do you think there are only these migrants from Syria?

To you, my friend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHwOxs8Vks

France blocked her border, so we are forced to keep all of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Psyly9VYk

Example of some current HUGE social tensions between Italians and migrants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxBlTilFzXQ

@Alex80"as a member of the EU we always played our role with responsibility"

Indeed. Any member of EU have recently became a lamb of boneless herd, dancing under illogical (if not plain stupid) instructions of Frau Merkel. The only exception is Hungary under strict rule of PM Orban. What about responsibility in regards to local children? I know about existence of huge moslem districts in Italy and France where white persons never have a chance to enter in due to simple reasons of personal safety.

The true motives of these immigrants is transparent to all but the densest observers. While "fleeing for their lives" these economic migrants allege that they can only find true safety in Sweden and Germany, which coincidentally have the richest social safety nets. They race past Kosovo and Albania, European countries with majority Muslim populations which promise them little in the way of handouts. Europe cannot absorb the Middle East or common sense says it will become the Middle East. Don't European citizens have rights?

France blocked her border, so we are forced to keep all of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Psyly9VYk

Sorry, that link was wrong. This is the right link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTBJv3mHy-c

Any member of EU have recently became a lamb of boneless herd, dancing under illogical (if not plain stupid) instructions of Frau Merkel.

Only recently Germany "opened her doors" (even though they already changed idea), but Italy is dealing with this emergency for years, and we have always been pressed to keep the migrants inside our borders.

Alex80:

" taly, my country, is living such a huge emergency for a long time, way before than Hungary, Austria or Germany. My poor country is a mess at this point, BUT we NEVER closed our burders. " ...and that will be the end of your country.

Hungary is now being bashed for protecting its borders, but what do the EU leaders want? Being turned into an islamic continent by pure demographics within our lifetime?

What we see now looks almost exactly as depicted in "The Camp of the Saints" in 1973.

There are 742 million people in Europe. 742,000,000. There are nearly 10 million in Hungary. Syria has a population of about 18 million, but the number of refugees cannot possibly be near 1 million.

Yes, there is a humanitarian crisis. But talking like these people are invading and going to take over and overthrow Christian Europe or even Christian Hungary is abject nonsense spewed by paranoids, xenophobics and Islamophobics. Given the reality of how dire and problematic the real situation is, its not even necessary to delve into that insane rhetoric of hate.

@Peace Out: indeed the problem isn't only Syria. It is having a huge impact on the international press because are involved some countries of North Europe. In Italy we have daily waves of migrants from Africa by sea. They are from everywhere...Africa and Middle East.

Peace Out: With open borders the number of "refugees" is effectively unlimited. They come not just from Syria, but from Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Eritrea etc. I realise that those countries are dumps and nobody with any sense would want to live there, but it is the attitudes of the people living there that are the main reason they became dumps.

Too many people in those countries do not respect laws, they do not value human rights and freedoms, they are mysoginists and homophobes. I don't want such people around me unless they are prepared to change their ways, but I don't believe they will.

Hungary is right to secure the border. If you aren't prepared to defend your country your country will be destroyed. Serbia is a safe country, as are Greece and Turkey. A person worried about their safety should be happy to stay in Turkey. A chancer after the biggest handouts would try to get to Germany.

@Peace Out "talking like these people are invading and going to take overthrow Christian Europe is abject nonsense spewed by paranoids, xenophobic and Islamophobics."

Your point of view is typical for young uneducated generation of westernized people who has no interests except buying new model of IPhone, a piece of fashionable clothes or new PC game.

Europe has already big enclaves of moslem migrants. These enclaves have been forming for years. And these people have no desire to integrate into western society. They prefer to live by their own, often pure medieval rules and besides that, they bring horrible crimes into western society everyday. But many westerners prefer to stay blind and deaf, duped by stupid "political correctness".

Do you know that Russians used to allow islamists to form a pure Islamic State in Chechnya in 90ies, under stupid instructions from European Union and the USA? Very soon Islamic leaders of that "state" began to invade neighboring republics of Caucassus region, killing Christian people and every person who refused to agree with their brutal policy. When they declared about plans of establishing Islamic Khalifat on Caucassus and Southern Russia, Russians responded by harsh and mercyless military operations. Nowadays similar Islamic radicals formed ISIS, grabbing territories and killing Christians and everyone who dare to disagree with them. But many Europeans are too stupid and plain uneducated (from historical viewpoint) to draw any parallel lines.

For the sake of you last three posters I think I need to reiterate some numbers and points. 742,000,000 people in Europe. At present, there are about 44 million Muslims in Europe about 6 percent of the population. There is no way the number of current refugees is approaching even 1 million, even considering those coming from other regions. And if there were I million? Its still going to take about 350 years to get a 51 percent stake in Europe by means of migration at this rate. Even chucking in breeding won't put it under 100 years.

I am not debating your hate of immigrants, refugees, Middle Easterners or Muslims I am not saying they are all saints. I am not saying there are no problems or dangers associated with this mass migration. I am not saying the countries of Europe should take no action.

I am just saying that Christian Europe is not about become a new caliphate and its not about to implode or explode.

There are plenty of real problems to discuss without letting raw bigotry run rampant.

@Peace Out You seem to be really driving this point home on here:

There is no way the number of current refugees is approaching even 1 million, even considering those coming from other regions

Might I suggest a bit more reading... Germany has taken over 800,000 alone. The number will easily push 10,000,000 before next year. Don't believe me?

http://syrianrefugees.eu https://www.usaid.gov/crisis/syria

The leftists in the media will proclaim it a nation's 'humanitarian right' to open its borders, but let's not get too carried away, shall we? You'd have to say that out of 10 MILLION refugees / economic migrants, ISIS would've installed any number of operatives, no? This is the very definition of terrorism (ie. creating terror).

The Camp of the Saints is a must read book. Good thing I picked that book up just a year ago.

@Peace Out"I am not debating your hate of immigrants" Hatred and sane precautions are too different things.

"44 million muslims in Europe about 6 percent of the population"

Conservative Americans like to repeat that "just 13% of American population are Blacks but they commit more than 60% of crimes".

"And if there were 1 million?"

These people are getting houses with Satellite TV, wide-band internet access, comfortable rooms, kitchens, toilets etc - the result of hard labor of many generations of Europeans. And they think it is quite normal. Just to come, demand and get. What they will demand tomorrow? Right, full volume of political rights and free and full access to political power.

"I am just saying that Christian Europe is not about become a new caliphate".

Time will show.

finally a country that has the nads to do what evrybody else is scared to. migrants will now flood to countries with arms still open. Well see how welcoming they are when a few 100 thousands start crossing over there boarders. Its only a matter of time before they wake up and see this tsunami of people is just not sustainable

Yes, there is a humanitarian crisis. But talking like these people are invading and going to take over and overthrow Christian Europe or even Christian Hungary is abject nonsense spewed by paranoids, xenophobics and Islamophobics. Given the reality of how dire and problematic the real situation is, its not even necessary to delve into that insane rhetoric of hate.

Except once you actually do the math and note the following: (1) it won't just be a hundred thousand or a million - with Merkel's open invitation, tens of millions of Africans and Middle Easterners (including people from Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, Eritrea, etc) will now want to come, NOT just Syrians, (2) these people won't just bring themselves but will be allowed to bring their entire extended families under EU asylum rules, and (3) these people have far higher birth rates than native Europeans, ensuring that Christian Europe will inevitably die as it averages ~1.5 (below replacement rate) compared to the Middle East and Africa's 4-6.

If Europe does not close borders and establish some system that all European countries can use immediately to control this overwhelming migration situation they are going to be a Muslim third world dump real soon. Germany's government is trying to load the EU with what and why. Germans are not stupid and they knew exactly what is/was going to happen with their open amnesty policies. OOPS we made we mistake but we want all our good neighbors to take in these migrants so we can all sit around bonfires at night and hold hands singing praises to allahahahah.

@yamashi

I know about existence of huge moslem districts in Italy and France where white persons never have a chance to enter in due to simple reasons of personal safety

Oh, you do, do you? And how do you know that; Fox News?:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hfLf6tO7vSA

Your point of view is typical for young uneducated generation of westernized people who has no interests except buying new model of IPhone, a piece of fashionable clothes or new PC game

And your point of view would be typical of someone who works here:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house

Europe has already big enclaves of moslem migrants. These enclaves have been forming for years. And these people have no desire to integrate into western society. They prefer to live by their own, often pure medieval rules and besides that, they bring horrible crimes into western society everyday

Balderdash. Utter baloney. How many European Muslims do you even know? Because all of the European Muslims I know speak native English (or native French and good English), cheer for the England (or France) football team, cheer for the England cricket team, work like everyone else, watch the same TV shows as everyone else; shock, horror, some of them even like a beer or two.

Balderdash. Utter baloney. How many European Muslims do you even know? Because all of the European Muslims I know speak native English (or native French and good English), cheer for the England (or France) football team, cheer for the England cricket team, work like everyone else, watch the same TV shows as everyone else; shock, horror, some of them even like a beer or two.

Even if I hate to admit it and don't obviously want to generalize to the entire population, those places exist, I grew up in one. Mosque next to the school/highschool, with minaret and call on Friday. You're ashamed and bullied, pretty badly sometimes, when you're native and living there. Police doesn't even want to enter.

So ironic that after chastising Hungary while inviting anyone who wants to come to traipse across other nations' territories in order to arrive at Deutchland, the land of Milk and Honey, Frau Merkel then quietly announces her own government is closing the borders and putting up barriers to entry...in other words, exactly what Hungary has already been doing for weeks now, to the great consternation of the finger-wagging moral hypocrites in Germany!

Anyone old enough to remember "Europe's" humanitarian response to the disaster during the Bosnian War, right in its own backyard, will be cynical enough to say "let's wait and see how Europe responds not to this first wave, but to the second, third, fourth wave and beyond who decide to make the move to the continent."

Does anyone think that after these 250,000 people are "quota-ed in" to the EU, millions of others won't follow their lead? Does anyone really think that if the EU readily accepts the refugees in transit right now, that Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan won't "encourage" their own millions of Syrian refugees using up valuable resources within those countries to make the exact same journey north?

"Let them eat cake...in Paris and Munich," I can see Turkey's Erdogan telling his advisers in private, "Europe didn't want Turkey in the EU because we're not Christian, but guess what? If Europe is stupid enough to allow unchecked millions of undocumented "refugees" to decide for themselves where and when they want to relocate, in a generation of so most of the EU will be Muslim majority through its own policies anyway!"

It's going to get uglier before it gets better, and this influx of refugees is just the tip of the iceberg for the EU. The political blowback from within Europe is coming, and it's coming soon. Japan as usual should continue with its aloofness as it has been doing successfully for years. Sit back and watch how the "Union" of Europe deals with true adversity-as with Bosnia (a situation only settled once the US got involved, mind you)-it's not going to be pretty.

Hey, spokespeople for Amnesty International, why don't you open the doors to your homes to these migrants? Let a few dozen of them sleep in your home, eat your food, and use your money. Then maybe you might get a feel for what it's like to have so many of them stream into your country.

Even if I hate to admit it and don't obviously want to generalize to the entire population, those places exist, I grew up in one. Mosque next to the school/highschool, with minaret and call on Friday. You're ashamed and bullied, pretty badly sometimes, when you're native and living there. Police doesn't even want to enter

Hi Eppee. There's a mosque just down the road from my parents' house, closer than the nearest church in that direction. I've had no problem at all, ever, with either the building (it's actually a pretty grand-looking thing) or those who use it. (Not to say that your experiences aren't genuine; but a rough area is a rough area, whether the occupants are Muslim, black, or white - there are white working class areas in my home town which I know are better avoided despite being a white local myself)

Hi Eppee. There's a mosque just down the road ...

Yes I believe you, obviously we can't generalize to a whole country, but we cannot say either that those places are non existent. There are a few.

Alex80 Italy, my country, is living such a huge emergency for a long time, way before than Hungary, Austria or Germany. My poor country is a mess at this point, BUT we NEVER closed our burders.

It should. Close the borders...

Alex more sucker Italy. the Euro already destroyed your economy, now the EU migrant policy is destroying your society.

@Yoshitsune "I've had no problem at all"

Then you, perhaps, live somewhere in magical Universe of Dr Who. Because even Peter Clarke, a former Chief of Scotland Yard's counter terrorism unit has recently described an utterly aggressive form of radical islam that was spreaded in schools of Birmingham. You may find his interview in British media. And what about those Muslim jihadists who slit throat of British soldier in broad daylight right on street of London in 2013?

I think it is wonderful what is being done or all of these displaced folks. They are way better off than before we got rid of saddam and started the War on Terror.

Thanks to Merkel, Hungary has become a human highway.

@yamashi

Then you, perhaps, live somewhere in magical Universe of Dr Who

No, my hometown is Leeds, West Yorkshire. Awesome as it is, there is nothing magical about it. The Muslim population is around 5% (UK overall is around 4.5%), and doesn't constitute a majority in any single area of the city. There are no "non-Muslim no-go" zones, and as I said above to another poster there are white working class areas which are plenty dodgy. Rather than I living in a magical Dr Who universe, it sounds to me more like you are living in the fantasy world of Fox News.

Peter Clarke, a former Chief of Scotland Yard's counter terrorism unit has recently described an utterly aggressive form of radical islam that was spreaded in schools of Birmingham

That's known as the 'Trojan horse' scandal. While needing to be taken very seriously, it doesn't amount to evidence that there are areas of Birmingham where non-Muslims fear to tread.

what about those Muslim jihadists who slit throat of British soldier in broad daylight right on street of London in 2013?

A terrible event. But again, not evidence that there are no-go zones for non-Muslims. You're trying to smear 3 million people on the basis of the actions of a handful.

What's with all the hatred against Italy? Why? Because they chose NOT to close their borders? I'd choose them over the U.S. and Japan any day if you ask me...(smh..)

Thanks for liking and respecting my country. ^^ Kissed by the sun, great landscapes, art, food. I could be biased, being Italian...but I agree, it's very beautiful. To people who are saying my country should close its borders, it's evident you don't know the situation that Italy is facing for years. It's not like we can let people drowning in sea, and I'm proud of the fact my country saved so many lives. We save them (they are not only from Syria, they are from African countries, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.), but we are forced to keep them inside our borders, because the other European countries don't want them. There's not a common policy, so far according the Dublin Regulation, the first country where the migrant arrived, had to care him...of course, this is discriminatory for the contries close to Mediterranean sea, like Italy. Even though for example, some migrants from Algeria want to go to France (since Algeria was a former French colony, so they speak French), France refuse these people, and we have to keep in our country. This is happening for a long time. The current crisis involving the Syrians is only the tip of the iceberg, and I repeat, it is having a huge impact on the press because it involves German borders. Suddenly Germany welcomed the Syrians, but what about all the other migrants? Now Germany is already changing her mind, urging all the Europe to play a role in this crisis. When Italy urged the EU to do the same, for so many years, it's like the EU didn't care. Some people said many migrants want to go to richest countries than Italy, and it's true. But so far most of these people were rejected from other countries and they remained in Italy. Italy isn't even so poor like some people think. Italy is still the third biggest European economy, and many migrants here found a happy life. So stop bashing my country just because we didn't let people dying in sea.

But Prime Minister Viktor Orban defended the measures, saying he was acting to preserve Christian Europe, which he said had become threatened by the large numbers of Muslims streaming into the continent.

“The supply is nearly endless — we can see how many of them are coming,” Orban said in a televised address just before the new laws took effect at midnight. “And if we look at the demographics, we can see that these people have more children than our communities who lead a traditional, Christian way of life.”

“Mathematics tells you that this will lead to a Europe where our way of life will end up in a minority, or at least face a very serious challenge.”

Wise, wise words from Prime Minister Orban. Finally, a voice of common sense and reason among many clueless European leaders.

May other European leaders learn from him. Before it's too late.

@sighclops I cannot find any of the numbers you cited in your two links that contain scores of numbers. Where are you getting your numbers? Which link? Under what headings?

Also, what time frame are you talking about? I was talking about this recent wave, not the sum total from 2011 onwards....obviously.

Germany has taken over 800,000 alone. The number will easily push 10,000,000 before next year. Don't believe me?

No. I don't. I was speaking of the Syrian refugees, and of them, the ones coming now in a big wave. You seem to have turned that into ALL refugees from EVERYWHERE for the last FOUR YEARS apparently

Be clear. Read carefully. Understand context. WHAT refugees are you talking about? Where are you getting your information, EXACTLY?

@Alex80, it sounds like you need to be more active in voicing your opinions on how your country is run. Italy's policies should not be harming or causing problems to Italian citizens. If something is going wrong because of your countries political actions, you have the right to call them out on it or at least try to change it. Last I checked Italy is a democratic country.

The least the people know about an issue the awkwadest the comments are!

As usual...!

“I am horrified to think of one thing that is possible: What do we do if Hungarian troops begin to shoot or kill children and women?”

Naw. Just order the troops to aim for the healthy, young bearded men. The ones shouting, "Allahu Akbar". This would work you see. Then, slowly deport the women and children back to Syria- where they belong.

Human rights activists condemned the move, with Amnesty International saying Hungary’s “intimidating show of militarized force is shocking.”

Orban has a responsibility to protect the integrity of Hungary and it's people. The Human rights activists can go pound sand.

Recently in Stuttgart, an ISIS terrorist (a Moroccan man) posing as a Syrian asylum seeker was arrested with a fake Syrian passport. He was wanted in Span for being accused of recruiting for ISIS. The German Tagespiegel newspaper, also revealed that 10,000 fake Syrian passports were seized by police in Bulgaria, on their way to Germany.

The Tagespiegel also revealed that the fake Syrian passports are being sold for about $1,500 each—and the fact that many of the “refugees” can afford to buy multiple passports is yet another indication of the bogus nature of their claims to be “asylum seekers.” The trade in fake Syrian passports was also confirmed by the head of the EU frontier police, , in a recent interview with the Europe 1 TV station. Trade in fake Syrian passports originated in Turkey. “There are people who are now in Turkey, buying false Syrian passports because they have obviously realized that it is a windfall since Syrians get asylum in all Member States in the European Union,”

Isn't it interesting that Saudi Arabia and other rich Arab nations have not stepped up to take some of the refugees in?

Meanwhile there are thousands of real refugees who are being prevented from crossing Hungary to Germany because of the viciousness of the Hungarian government.

Above poster, where do you get your information? What are your sources? You can say anything but can you prove it? I can tell you, according to an old joke, that the way to make Hungarian chicken stew is to first steal two chickens, but you know that is not true.

This is in your face. The Hungarian government is preventing refugee passage to Germany, which making the crisis worse.

The German Tagespiegel newspaper, also revealed that 10,000 fake Syrian passports were seized by police in Bulgaria, on their way to Germany.

Yeah, this will make them take off their rose-colored glasses.

Above poster, where do you get your information? What are your sources? You can say anything but can you prove it?

@Kabuki search for the article it's out there. Tagespiegel is the original news source so far, but it's spreading right now and story is being translated. Might even get an article on JT.

@ Kabukilover: The story is out there at HonestDictator said. A simple Google search will provide you with it as well as many others on how it isn't all what some news organizations are reporting. Are there some honest refugees, yes there are. But why is it that Muslim countries with a lot of money like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the UAE not accepting these people? I mean if as we have seen refugee groups tend to congregate within their own ethnic communities wherever they go so that they don't feel so isolated, then why not go to a majority Muslim country in pretty much the same geographic area? Are they expecting the EU to pay them wages and a lifestyle, something that they may not get in Muslim countries?

KabukiloverSEP. 17, 2015 - 08:16AM JST Meanwhile there are thousands of real refugees who are being prevented from crossing Hungary to Germany because of the viciousness of the Hungarian government. Above poster, where do you get your information? What are your sources? You can say anything but can you prove it? I can tell you, according to an old joke, that the way to make Hungarian chicken stew is to first steal two chickens, but you know that is not true. This is in your face. The Hungarian government is preventing refugee passage to Germany, which making the crisis worse.

If you are uneducated at least hide it. It is not a Hungarian joke, it is a joke IN Hungary about the gypsies, living in Hungary. Less than 10% of Hungary's population is gypsy, more than half the jail population is gypsy. That should make it clear even for someone with your intellectual capacity what the joke is about.

It is Hungary's duty, under the Dublin Regulation, to process all these so called refugees before they can enter EU.. However because of foaming at the mouth liberals like you, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Watch the news about what's been happening at the border since it was sealed. These so called "refugees" all of a sudden turned into stone throwing criminals fighting with the Hungarian police as if somehow they have a god given, unalienable right to enter a sovereign country and indeed the EU.

Let me repeat it for people like you and indeed for everybody else what Mr. Orban, the Hungarian PM said: THERE IS NO BASIC HUMAN RIGHT FOR A BETTER LIFE!

Got that?! You want a better life, work for it! In your own country!

I found a nearly identical article to the one Alphaape seems to be citing. Only it did not come from Der Tagesspiegel. It came from The New Observer, which has an interesting headline about "Non-white invaders". Make out of that what you will.

That Moroccan guy, whose name was not mentioned, had been under investigation FOR MONTHS while living in Germany. So he is NOT part of this massive wave of refugees that we have been reading about for a little more than a week.

The 10,000 passports were NOT taken from the hands of individual refugees. They were in boxes and being smuggled into Europe for sale. They had NOT been sold. The plan was to sell them to the refugees LATER.

The Tagespiegel also revealed that the fake Syrian passports are being sold for about $1,500 each—and the fact that many of the “refugees” can afford to buy multiple passports is yet another indication of the bogus nature of their claims to be “asylum seekers.”

The only thing indicated is that you are an extremely unreliable and biased source of information.

Yes, some Syrians are buying fake passports for exorbitant prices. Why can be explained by doing a search for this article "Why Syrians Are Entering Europe With Fake Passports" from NPR. The key words are "war torn country".

As to where they are getting the money, well it might be easier for you to understand if you came from a war torn country. You might have stopped relying on credit cards and checking accounts. HELLO? You would withdraw your cash and stash it somewhere. HELLO? WAR. Then when combatants start using poison gas on villages or mortar and bomb them to rubble, you grab your cash and run. And to save yourself and your children you hand that stash over to human traffickers, because, HELLO? you prefer your lives over the money....maybe?

The 10,000 passports were NOT taken from the hands of individual refugees. They were in boxes and being smuggled into Europe for sale. They had NOT been sold. The plan was to sell them to the refugees LATER.

@ Peace Out: Never said that they were in the hands of individuals, but as you stated, they were going to be sold on the black market. So you are saying that it is ok for someone to smuggle in blank passports and make fake ones for those who left their original passport back in Syria? Or it is ok to sell one to someone who may not come from Syria?

I get fleeing a country from war, but why not go into a neighboring country like Saudi Arabia where they at least speak some of your language and you are of the same religion. Yes I know that Saudi will not take the Christian Syrians, but not all of the so called refugees are Christian.

Never said that they were in the hands of individuals

@Alphaape Yes you did. You said they were "being sold" for 1,500 dollars each. Now you switch to "were going to be sold" and act like its the same thing and proves something other than your absurd and intentional misuse of facts and figures.

Then you try to turn back on me and suggest I think its okay for a few individuals to smuggle fake passports.

If I were in control, you would be facing severe action.

The 10,000 passports were NOT taken from the hands of individual refugees. They were in boxes and being smuggled into Europe for sale. They had NOT been sold. The plan was to sell them to the refugees LATER.

@ Peace Out: Your statements are what I was saying in my post. No individual refugees didn't have a total of 10,000 blank passports. Yes someone was trying to smuggle that many blanks in, and sell them to the refugees from either Syria and as the market would dictate, to those with enough money to buy them from different places.

But to the point, you think it is ok for someone to just walk into a country, with no papers and be given a place to stay without being vetted? Where is the Red Crescent society at the border of Syria and Turkey and at other entry points these people are using setting up camps to help out? Instead you just see mobs of people bumrush border crossings trying to get some place and demand rights. A lot of this falls on Europe and their open borders policy. As I keep saying, Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations are a lot closer than Germany or Hungary, and yet they are not flocking there. Why not? Strict border control in those places.

But to the point, you think it is ok for someone to just walk into a country, with no papers and be given a place to stay without being vetted?

@Alphaape Not to the point. You are obfuscating the point and trying to escape it. The point is that misled us about two separate things. One, the nature of the arrest in Stuttgart and two, the number of people with fake Syrian passports. You tried to tie two separate things to this wave of Syrian refugees in order to dismiss them all as fakers with plenty of cash and/or terrorists. And in your reply to me, you did not even address glaring error number one. And I am being nice when I call it an error.

Plus, when asked for a source, you provide nothing but "find it yourself". No link. No exact article title. No nothing. Despite the fact the since you found it once, it would be easier for you to find it again so we know exactly where you are getting the information you so clearly scrambled. Heck, the link is probably sitting right there in your browser's history record.

I am not going to address your misplaced accusation about my opinion concerning what to do about the passport situation. Its obvious all you will do is twist it into a pretzel and insist the pretzel was my misbegotten creation.

Again, if I was running this site, you would be disciplined. You are way out of line and you don't even have the decency to admit it.

The German Tagespiegel newspaper, also revealed that 10,000 fake Syrian passports were seized by police in Bulgaria, on their way to Germany.

@ Peace Out: What part of my posting that I have shown states that the one person was arrested with 10000 fake Syrian passports. The person arrested in Stuttgart was not the one with the stolen passports, he was arrested on a different case after failing a background check while being processed. Also, you should note that the arrest in Stuttgart was by German authorities, while the fake passports were arrested by the Bulgarians, in a completely different county.

The Tagespiegel also revealed that the fake Syrian passports are being sold for about $1,500 each

Again, this report is talking about the costs of the fake passports that are being made on the black market, and why whomever was behind the fake 10000 passports is going to be out of a nice amount of money.

The only thing indicated is that you are an extremely unreliable and biased source of information.

You may not like the source of the news story, and I'll admit some organizations may add an editorial comment or two to juice up the story, but the bottom line is that 10000 fake passports were confiscated. If one paper didn't report it objectively shame on them, but the bottom line was there were 10000 fake passports that were picked up and no longer out there to be sold on the black market.

It seems that you have been able to find the sources yourself without my providing a link. I imagine that if I did, you would say that I am only providing a link to a site I am biased to, so you were able to do a little research yourself and find it. That's what this board is about. I made a claim, and you took the time to see that it is an actual story, maybe not to your liking but I wasn't making things up.

Again, if I was running this site, you would be disciplined. You are way out of line and you don't even have the decency to admit it.

Well you are not a moderator of the site, I would suggest try a little more reading comprehension to get a better understanding of what others are posting. I in no way tried to Jedi mind trick anyone with what I posted. It seems clear as a bell that I was talking about two different stories that are related to the general theme of this thread.

Hungary has a population of just under 10 million. It is a poor not rich nation and all of this migration is a strain to its resources. Mounds of garbage along the migration path. Then tell me that there are not criminals in these groups. A country has the right to defend itself so they closed their border with Serbia. These people are looking for a rich nation in which to live. They are in no danger once they got to Turkey. Germany can not afford to take in so many welfare recipients. Yes, the rate of "refugee" unemployment in Germany is about 25 percent.

@YuriOtani They cannot get permanent refugee status in Turkey. Like anybody, they want to start their life over again, not be a state of limbo where they are just going to have leave again at some unclear time in the future. You complain about criminal behavior on the one hand, then suggest they do one of the things that invites criminal behavior, especially among their youth, which is to sit there listless with no stability and no employment.

Merkel must have had some lunatic brainstorm when she invited all of Syria to relocate to Germany/ - then use it as a backdoor to access other EU nations, once passports are issued. The sooner the UK has the referendum to leave the EU the better - a good idea ruined by letting poor Eastern European nations join before their economies were up to speed. In UK we already have 4 million migrants since the 90s, the infrastructure can't take any more - just because they want to come here for a better life - at the expense of making ours worse!

@YuriOtani They cannot get permanent refugee status in Turkey.

Again I have to ask, Turkey is a Muslim country. Why aren't they able to find refuge there. How many Christian Serbs and other non-Muslims have been able to leave war torn areas and resettle in Muslim dominated countries? Yet Christian nations (and non-Christian nations like Japan will be asked to do so in the future) are on the hook for providing for these refugees. Why is that?

I don't think they went other country to get permanent refugee status. They left their country to survive.

They probably know WW II history of Hungarian underground resistance against Nazi and seeked help. Sound very desperate.

They probably know WW II history of Hungarian underground resistance against Nazi and seeked help. Sound very desperate.

The Hungarian underground resistance was in response to an invasion by the Nazis. They were fighting to get back their homeland. If by your logic that is why they are going there, they misunderstood the lesson. Hungarians will fight to protect their land. This large group of migrants is being viewed as an invading force, and they are doing all they can to stop it from coming into their land and entrenching itself. So they picked the wrong place to try and settle. Again I ask, why travel over such a long distance to a foreign land, when there are neighboring Muslim countries that follow your religion and you can somewhat manage to get by in to settle. Oh wait, they don't let them in.

@Alphaapds: That was my guess when they went far away Hungary instead of neighbors. Can you think why they went Hungary?I am not Muslim. You are nor either, or so I guess, I just thought these people have nowhere to go.

@Alphaapds: That was my guess when they went far away Hungary instead of neighbors. Can you think why they went Hungary?I am not Muslim. You are nor either, or so I guess, I just thought these people have nowhere to go.

Nah , they will go to ukraine

@Gon Mike: Isn't Ukraine too cold for them? When I was young and attended CSU Fullerton in Orange County, I was only Japanese and wearing scarf while other Iraninan students did not wear. Then I live in south of Vegas and if temp go down 40 degree c, I wear scarf. I am very sure Muslim people live here but whereever I go, I am the only one wearing scarf but I am not Muslim. Just everywhere is air con full blast with solar energy.