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The next generation will point their fingers at Trudeau and consider this policy to be the cause of great economic and societal harm that will come from it.

Most of these immigrants have no desire to blend in. They want to import their values and not adapt, building little North Africas and Middle Easts.

Societies thrive and prosper when people have common goals. Diversity is not a strength, it is division and breeds disparate values, weakening a society.

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He's still very popular in Canada

No, he is not.

Let me tell you a story about how these immigrants are "integrating" in Canada.

My Mother has been a teacher for 25 years. For 15 years, she has been an ESL teacher. Over the last two or three years, she has had to deal with immigrant parents who do not like the Canadian educational system. She has had Muslim parents object when their sons or daughters participate in PE class with the opposite sex. Is this integrating? Hardly.

She has also been called a racist by immigrate children when she has told them to wait in line like everyone else. Is this integrating? Hardly.

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So the onus is on Canadians to make this work? Hmm, ok.

I tend to think that guests, newcomers, migrants etc are the ones who should do their utmost to adapt to the new environment they have chosen and locals should 'facilitate' this and help them adjust.

Like most on here (I guess) I have been on both sides and whenever I moved to a new country I felt I had an obligation to adapt and understand what's permitted (or not) even/especially if it meant breaking habits which are not compatible with the country am now in. At no point did I think 'am going to carry on the way have always been, they better adjust to me!'

Imo the Trudeaus of this world should have a good chat with newcomers and explain that their self-imposed exile probably implies self-imposed adjustments and there are 'things' they used to do or think in their country of origin which are most probably not compatible here. Nothing wrong with that imo.

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There's no need for all this argument. All we need do is ask the following question to all prospective immigrants: "Are you willing to allow any children (including daughters) you currently have or may have in the future to freely date, marry and raise children with people outside your religion/race/ethnicity when they come of age?"

If they answer yes, then fine. If no, then they are not interested in integrating at all - they are colonizers.

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Actually, the prime minister has his algebra backwards. The Syrians should do all they can do to assimilate into Canadian society. But we all know that won't happen. Soon Canadians, via their taxes, will be subsidising the Syrians' claims to religion. So until then, let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya my lord.

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It's up to newcomers to integrate, not the other way around. If they can't or won't integrate, then they need to find a another society where they will.

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Study history carefully to know who can assimilate and who wouldn't, and who are always quarrelsome and at war even with his "brothers". Following Mrs. Merkel is plain naivety.

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So, is she an ESL or a Gym teacher?

She is an ESL and a homeroom teacher in elementary school. Do some research on the responsibilities of homeroom teachers. It is obvious you do not have a clue.

"Canadian Way" is in danger

Hardly. As previously mentioned, the onus is on immigrants to adapt to the country and society they are living. I did. I became fluent in Japanese when I lived in Japan. I did not expect Japan or the Japanese to make concessions for me.

Give people a chance to make a life.

I agree. However, do not expect a country or it citizens to change to fit your beliefs or values.

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StrangerlandSEP. 16, 2016 - 09:31AM JST Trudeau should be looking after Canadian citizens first.

It's not an either-or thing. Trudeau has been doing lots for Canadian citizens as well. He's not stuck in the American way of thinking that it's a zero-sum game."

Really? I guess you are on the outside looking in. As a born-in-Canada Canadian citizen I was trying to recall exactly what Trudeau has done for me since he was elected. Oh, that's right, a $2.40 monthly raise in my old age pension. That just about covers the price increase in lettuce for a month.

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My Mother has been a teacher for 25 years. For 15 years, she has been an ESL teacher.

Did you read this?

I went through the system.

Did you WORK in the system? I think not. This is comparing apples to oranges.

Fluent in Japanese, eh?

Yep. I lived in Japan for 15 years. I was fortunate to study at Sophia University for two years. In addition, I worked on the JET Programme as a CIR for five years. After that, I worked as a translator.

When was the last time you were in Canada?

I am in Canada.

A number we can easily support until they're able to find their way, and they will.

Charity begins at home. Have you been following Canadian current events? There are thousands of Canadian families who are living paycheck to paycheck.

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Stranger, you're forgetting one thing, the difference between Muslim migrants and immigrants. Those Muslims who chose to go to the US or Canada understood the culture first and made the decision, immigrants are just trying to escape and happy to go anywhere else. And IMO, many of the Muslim in the US are capitalists/business people first, and Muslims second. That's one reason why there were and are very little problems. Americans probably love what many of the Muslim migrants have done to the gas stations, turning them into food bars/wine/and gas stops with new buildings. Where the money comes from is a mystery to me. Migrants on the other hand, who may not have the same education or wherewithal, seem to (as evidence in Europe) think and behave as they did in their home country. One report about the unemployment of immigrants in Finland, I think, spoke of how they don't want to fit in and just keep collecting free money from the government.

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World would have been better without iPhones. It is a very popular move to appeal to the international society by supporting war refugees, immigration, etc. Those wars could be ended in several days if they wanted to, now they create year long problems. Helping refugees is fine by itself, they are human beings and everyone wants to help each other, but throwing money at them as "helping" in expense of own citizens well being, both economical and cultural, is incompetent and utterly treacherous.

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"Clearly it is a two-way street."

It sure is in Canada. Doctors there prohibited a friend of mine from learning the gender of his child, before birth. This is a new thing. The reason: certain newcomers to the country are in the habit of aborting female fetuses, because, "Hey, it's their culture, man, we all gotta deal with it. So put up with the hassle and keep quiet, otherwise you're being a waaaaycist."

The "two way" street approach in Canada is creating a lot of simmering resentment, by people like my friend, who believe Canada should be laying down its own values when needed, instead of PC workarounds that hassle/punish everyone.

This, my friends, is how populist leaders get elected.

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Like Finland? Norway? Denmark? All economically powerful countries with happy citizenry and a high quality of life.

Interesting that you didn't include Sweden given that the subject of this article is immigration, mainly muslim.

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"One thing I've heard about France is that they've never given their Muslims an equal crack at society,"

Youve heard wrong. You've obviously not heard about Khaled Kelkal. The son of penniless Muslim immigrants, he received state scholarships to one of the top lycees in the country, before dropping out because he hated infidels (white people).

He then went on to bomb the Paris Metro, the high speed rail network, a Jewish school (children) along with assassinations, killing a few innocent people and injuring many more.

When French police shot him after a standoff, Muslims throughout France staged angry protests. Look it up.

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Simply the biggest mistake and the biggest misunderstanding, misinterpretation and misjudgement made by too many idealistic and overly accommodating leaders of the so called Free World.

There will NEVER be "assimilation" with Muslims in a Christian or Judaism based society and vice versa. The best possible will be cohabitation, but even then a symbiotic relation may NEVER come to pass. Two radically "opposing" ways of life mixed with racial, sexual and other beliefs, biases and prejudices dictated by a religion as a way of life based upon absolute principles of what is good and evil determined by a "non-participating" but all powerful entity called God and interpreted by the so called religious leaders such as the Imams and the Pope. Two Millenniums of history has proven that. But the differences date back four Millennium,s to old Egyptian times.

Science and technology may have changed some of that by adding more rational and logical as well as realistic perspective to what we call our ways of life, but it is like the Yin and Yang of Asian thought, two different ways, the black and white, they can some how co-exist if both are willing and able.

However, in this case one is moving into another. In fact those that are moving in are running away from annihilation, death or such suffering which they do not want to bear and endure or even fight against for themselves. They are being "HOSTED" by "sympathy" and not "invited". (No nation wants other nation's problems or troubles.) Therefore, those that move in MUST make the "change", accept the new or must be willing to fight to stay different and apart or even fight to take over.

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Canada and America used to be quite similar, but in recent years the gulf between them is widening.

I suspect there will come a time when Canada will build a wall along the border.

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How is Canada the "extreme opposite end of the spectrum" of capitalism?

It's not even remotely the opposite end. On the spectrum, it's closer to America than not.

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strangerland, the next question may come when you actually answer the first one.

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@jpn_guy "So you dudes saying 'immigrants integrate, it's all on you', well, I don't think you have thought this through."

No one is saying that mate. I actually think most ppl are or at least were willing to give newcomers a chance. Thing is in some cases migrants come with a massive sense of entitlement. Not the best way to start in a new country. Not saying you have to shut up and be docile when you move in a new place but showing you're trying to adapt goes a long way.

In my experience, migrants who dropped the attitude and had a crack at their new life were given plenty of opportunities and the vast majority have been successful. But when I watch a doco and see refugees complaining that they are 'only' being given 300 euros per person per month, a dwelling, free education etc I do feel that these guys are simply taking the P out of their new country and its ppl especially those who struggle to make ends meet. That's why I think Trudeau, Merkel and co should spend some time with migrants prior to them entering the country and explain a couple of things.

I get your point about media, politics, sports perhaps and the fact minorities are not always represented. This would definitely help. Having said that not everyone is into the same things (or good at them).

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@Strangerland

"single anecdote makes us panic and start wars."

"Single" because I dont have space and time here to list them all. France has over a thousand on its terror list, most of whose stories undermine your notion that Muslims in France are systematically victimized by the state.Then theres the thousands and thousands of terror suspects throughout western Europe, which has been extremely generous to refugees and immigrants in terms of benefits, education, healthcare, (ie, "free) etc.

I recommend you read the book "Europe's Angry Muslims" to find out more about Khalid Khekal, and soooo many others just like him. Because your comments indicate you simply don't know what's actually happening in this area.

@Outrider

Indeed, the regressive left has a narrative that it sticks to even when consistently disproved by real events in the real world. It's frightening when people can be so narrow minded and brainwashed to that extent.

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How is Canada the "extreme opposite end of the spectrum" of capitalism?

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Oh yes, but are Scandinavia and Finland meccas for refugees?

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" requires efforts by all Canadians,"

How about some effort by the immigrants? That is the point he is missing. If they were willing to integrate into an infidel society, "all Canadians" would needed to be called for action.

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It may be a good idea to define the differences between, escapees, refugees, immigrants and infiltrators.

It may also be a good idea to define the difference between accommodation, acceptance, assimilation, adjustment, adaptation, integration, melting, and co-existing, etc. and to actually "change".

There is major difference between the concepts of to "change" oneself to be a part of a new society to just accommodating, adopting, etc. The key is that the individual coming into a new society must be willing, wanting, and actually put in the effort, the energy and the actual action to "change" himself to become a meaningful contributing working part of that society believing in and practicing the moral, ethical and legal values establish within that society.

When one establishes a small community that contributes to that community's good and benefit only; separate and apart from and not the entire nation, that can be a major problem. We already have too many of that within the USA and even in Canada. Vancouver is more like little China and not Canada, today. We have some communities where supposedly Americans, Hispanic people holding up Mexican flags and refuse to talk English or honor the USA flag.

There are many many more such problem already existing in the USA and Canada. This will add many more. Not all Syrian refugees are from Syria and not all of them have the same beliefs.

That is one way to divide and weaken a country.

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Trudeau should be looking after Canadian citizens first. Too many system mooching immigrants coming into Canada. Started by his father too

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A Realist, are you saying Trudeau is to blame for Harper putting all his eggs in one big old oily basket while the rest of us lost jobs? Ha. He spent more time writing his shitty book on hockey than doing anything of merit.

I'm glad I don't have to hide my head in shame these days. I can feel proud about being Canadian again. Trudeau put us on that path once again.

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No one is saying capitalism is the answer, but the extreme opposite end of the spectrum is no solution either. By the way, don't you run your own business? Aren't you a capitalist? And one could also extend the same compliment to you: you sound sooo European. And you can see the state of utopia they're in.

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He's still very popular in Canada

No, he is not.

Sure he is: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-quarterly-polls-jun2016-1.3607570

Oh yes, but are Scandinavia and Finland meccas for refugees?

What does that have to do with your claim that "democratic liberalism/ socialism spoils, poisons, and kills everything."?

So the onus is on Canadians to make this work?

The onus is on both sides to make it work.

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Charity begins at home. Have you been following Canadian current events? There are thousands of Canadian families who are living paycheck to paycheck.

It's not an either-or situation. Canadians can (and should) be helped at the same time as immigrants.

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@jpn_guy

Thumbs up for a fine post but I think a sentence or two on the problems of integrating often backward religious beliefs into a progressive society would have been useful.

This is where the "cut them some slack" argument becomes very problematic.

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@Strangerland

Are you saying France didn't give Muslims in particular an equal crack at society while giving other minorities a better crack? If so, I'd like to know the basis for this claim.

I get the sense that this particular group is more difficult to deal with than other groups. Would you agree?

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As a Canadian who has visited 37 of the US states and been in Japan every year for the past ten (for at least six weeks each time) I find the American-Canadian 'who's best' arguments concerning this story to be hilariously funny. The American commenters reveal their ignorance of the Canadian way seem by appearing to think the Syrians are all freeloaders; and the Canadian commenters are pointing out, quite truly, that the American views outlaid herein are outdated, if not purely parochial. The article was about helping Syrians integrate into Canadian society, not a comparison between our two countries' approach to those immigrants. Indeed, the US is a melting pot - go there and you have to be 'American'; Canadian is a mosaic, always has been. Sort of like a beautiful quilt, as opposed to the US cotton sheet. Huge difference in societies.

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"I think the problem is more about French society not "integrating" it's lower classes perhaps rather than Muslims per se. Problem is many Muslims, blacks and other migrants are among these 'lower classes'. (don't think the Roms in Paris are climbing the social ladder despite them not being Muslims)."

An interesting point. If that's true, we have to deal with why some Muslims who are not integrated resort to a type of violence not seen in other groups.

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Good for them. Canada today is like America back then (40-50 years ago maybe?) Positive, progressive and mostly caring about what's right. Now US is all about money, money, and more money, greed and corruption. What happened??

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@Jimizo, , we have to deal with why some Muslims who are not integrated resort to a type of violence not seen in other groups.

An excellent point. Its telling that for the most part no one wonders anymore (or dares mention) why it is muslims the world has to worry about in this regard and not other religious groups. Its simply become a fact of life. Btw, integration or non integration doesn't have much to do with Islamic terrorism.

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Trudeau should understand that it it is impossible to integrate Muslims-he should study history to see that it is so.....

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Funny how the American right seems to think the US is going down the tubes because it is becoming more like Canada.

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Trudeau should be looking after Canadian citizens first.

It's not an either-or thing. Trudeau has been doing lots for Canadian citizens as well. He's not stuck in the American way of thinking that it's a zero-sum game.

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justin will be remembered with derision in canada in the future. the hippy feel good policies that make him the "progressives" darling will badly damage canada.

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Welcome, you are safe here.

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Hey strangerland, democratic liberalism/ socialism spoils, poisons, and kills everything.

So many countries in the world prove that wrong, and America and China are perfect examples of how unbridled capitalism is a failure.

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No one is saying capitalism is the answer, but the extreme opposite end of the spectrum is no solution either.

I agree, communism has never worked anywhere. That's why socialist democracies like Canada are so much better - they find a common ground between motivating the people to want to succeed (capitalism), and protecting the people from extremist corporations (communism).

By the way, don't you run your own business? Aren't you a capitalist?

100% I am. And I know business owners in Canada too - it's also a capitalist society.

one could also extend the same compliment to you: you sound sooo European.

I'm not actually, but my thinking is close enough to it, so I'll accept the compliment.

you can see the state of utopia they're in.

Like Finland? Norway? Denmark? All economically powerful countries with happy citizenry and a high quality of life.

And that ignores your reductionist argument regarding a state of utopia. Nowhere is a state of utopia, but some countries are definitely much better than others.

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only that herd type of thinking that prevails over those countries allows millions of irreconcilable refuges to flood in at the detriment of the locals.

You realize that so many of those countries are safer, happier, and have less economic disparity than the US right?

I grew up in the US, and spent a couple of years in Canada later on. My memories of the US aren't so good, as I was only there until I was 10, so besides being hazy, they are tainted with the viewpoint of a child. My Canadian memories are much better.

Being an immigrant to both countries, I sort of remember that in the US, you had to be American not whatever your original culture was. Whereas in Canada it felt more like being Canadian was being whatever your original culture was, as well as Canadian. It was just more inclusive.

So on that regard, I think that immigration of Syrians into America stands a large chance of failing, due to acceptance, and unwillingness to try to even understand what the other cultures are like, and what values may be important to other people. Whereas I think the immigration of Syrians into Canada stands a much higher likelihood of success, as Canadians seem more open to acceptance and understanding of other cultures.

Not everyone of course there are plenty of people in Canada who are understanding and are unhappy about the immigrants. They've had a few issues - I seem to recall a Mosque being burned down last year. But when that happened, the Canadians were out there telling the Muslims that they were welcome and accepted.

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Y'all should pay attention to Strangerland. Clearly it is a two-way street. Immigrants obviously need to adapt, starting with learning the language. I've been a long-term immigrant in two different countries (and am an ethnic minority in my home country), but I don't agree with creating ghettos of people all speaking their own language and not joining in with the wider community.

The thing is though, this flocking together may well be result of being rebuffed when attempting to join in. The city I live in on my little break from Japan is majority white with a large East Asian population (maybe 15%?). By one example, the local radio station, which thinks of itself as a pillar of the community, takes 100% calls from Bretts, Daves and Sallys. I heard one Asian sounding guy on the line to the DJ and our man could not wait to put the phone down. They tell jokes about Asians. The local TV station has all-white panels laughing at minority issues. The local paper's 'society' section is again white without exception and the 15% are nowhere to be seen. Are they excluding themselves? Or are they being excluded? I walk down the street and there is a rainbow of colors, people from all over the world, including the large East Asian contingent. But then I look at the posters for local politicians. 100% white. I go to dinner at the yacht club. I'm the only brown face in the room. What is the dynamic here? The local population, which was entirely white up to around 30 years ago, are clearly not all violently racist. But there are barriers visible and invisible. There is inertia. There is feeling out of place, feeling not quite welcome. Even in the absence of hostility, it can be hard to know how and where to tread.

So you dudes saying 'immigrants integrate, it's all on you', well, I don't think you have thought this through.

Immigrants need to get involved but local people need to give them a fair go too. You can't have one without the other. Demanding immigrants adapt while continuing to look at them suspiciously, waiting to waive your exclusionary veto when they haven't quite met your standards, is a recipe for friction and polarization. Treat people with respect, cut them some slack now and again, and let them participate. Don't demand, demand and demand and then say not good enough based on your own unilaterally declared standards. Give and take brothers, give and take.

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strangerland, why not cite france as one of your success stories? could it be the 15000 radicalized muslims - muslim immigrants or their offspring that that countries security forces are forced to spend millions of dollars monitoring, or the terrorist acts that are thwarted DAILY?? Or the Merkel utopia. germany?

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Stranger, you're forgetting one thing, the difference between Muslim migrants and immigrants. Those Muslims who chose to go to the US or Canada understood the culture first and made the decision, immigrants are just trying to escape and happy to go anywhere else.

I'm not forgetting anything. You should probably look into the number of refugees Canada has been taking in for decades. The Syrians aren't the first by any means, not the first Muslims by any means either.

What you people are missing is that if you include refugees into their society, they will be more likely to integrate. If you exclude them, they will be more likely to bunch up into communities and not integrate. Which brings us back to the point of the story - it's going to take effort from all Canadians as well as the refugees.

How about some effort by the immigrants?

And how about some effort by the Canadians? It's a two-way street. Not an either-or situation.

I'm amazed at how many Americans, who haven't figured out how to do it right, feel that they know how to tell Canada that they're doing it wrong, when they've been doing it right for decades already.

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jefflee, this is just one of the small prices to pay on Canada's way to PC utopia and Justin's coronation as cool "progressive". more to come.

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"One thing I've heard about France is that they've never given their Muslims an equal crack at society, which has created bitterness and a feeling of alienation among the descendants of the original immigrants."

Yes, I have often heard that too. But I don't think the difficulties encountered by Muslims in France are linked to them being Muslims or at least not initially. The way I see it is that France (and to some extent other euro countries) wanted low skilled migrants to do jobs they no longer wanted to do. So we got a massive influx of 'poorly educated' people moving to France. It sometimes takes generations for uneducated locals to 'break the circle' and see their kids get a proper education, good jobs etc and it's not surprising it's taking even longer for migrants who didn't speak the language.

Many French Muslims have actually broken this cycle and are now having a completely normal life over there. Thing is there are still many who struggle to get an education, job etc. I think the problem is more about French society not "integrating" it's lower classes perhaps rather than Muslims per se. Problem is many Muslims, blacks and other migrants are among these 'lower classes'. (don't think the Roms in Paris are climbing the social ladder despite them not being Muslims).

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If I were a Syrian war refugee I would rather go to Canada than just about any other place, at least anyplace that I (not a war refugee) have personal experience with. The reason I say that is because of my overwhelming positive impression of the Canadian people. If anybody can make it work, I feel the Canadians have one of the best chances.

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Compare to resettlement in the larger cities like Montreal, Toronto, or Vancouver, Canada, there are many challenges facing a small town that lacks the infrastructure to handle people from a different culture and religion who may have experienced trauma in their home country. Many will be be relocated in this rural region where many of the people don't appreciate newcomers and they are not supporting this efforts. I don't know if it's fear. Perhaps they're not used to supporting this type of project. The fact that the volunteers are spread apart from each other. The absence of specialized health care, and the PTSD will be a major issue for a number of refugees, as well as lack of Arabic speakers.

If they want to adapt, the new migrants must quickly lose the mentality of being a guest in Canada. It's all about exploring new things and being brave and pushing yourself beyond your comfort zone and trying to be part of the community that brought you here.

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They are welcome to come and and make a life for themselves, free of the horrors they've faced. Will there be problems? Of course, but they can be solved. And so, they are welcome, to come and make a life for themselves, for their children, for their children's children, just like most of the rest of us Canadians have done. The shortsightedness is astounding.

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The next generation will point their fingers at Trudeau and consider this policy to be the cause of great economic and societal harm that will come from it. Most of these immigrants have no desire to blend in. They want to import their values and not adapt, building little North Africas and Middle Easts. Societies thrive and prosper when people have common goals. Diversity is not a strength, it is division and breeds disparate values, weakening a society.

It's refreshing to see at least one sensible person on this discussion thread. Spot on, @domtoidi.

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That's interesting dharmadan. They should include it.

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Canadians can (and should) be helped at the same time as immigrants.

We agree to disagree.

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strangerland, its interesting that the european countries you cited as success stories are the ones that dont allow muslims to flood in. care to explain?

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oops..I meant immigrants and refugees.

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She has also been called a racist by immigrate children when she has told them to wait in line like everyone else. Is this integrating? Hardly.

I'd sure love to see what happens to students who mouth off at teachers like that in the US (see ya little one- you are out of here. Go to the Dean and enjoy your after-school detention).

Can your mom not give these kids detention? No options? In the US I have never seen a teacher not able to deal with insulting students like that -- Except for teachers (again in the US) who are not fit to be teachers and can't handle a classroom environment. I do (again, in the US) remember some awkward teachers students enjoyed messing with who didn't have good classroom management skills and/or did not have the respect of students, in general. Once again, I'm talking about the US and not Canada. So all teachers strong and weak have the same problem as your mom with Muslim kids?

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Canada has been doing it quite well comparing to many other countries without junior saying it. The problem is those who refuses to follow the law locally - "honor killing".......

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@strangerland,

Reductionist reasoning. Doesn't actually work in real life though.

Oh, the (unintentional) irony.

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More anecdotes?

Anecdotes do not a statistic make.

In Canada, you're more likely to die from a Moose than from terrorism.

Are you going to start freaking out and going on a campaign to have all Moose (Meese?) exterminated now?

If not, you're a hypocrite. If so, you're a fool.

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Hispanic people holding up Mexican flags

So?

and refuse to talk English or honor the USA flag.

(One more time) So? There is no official language in the USA. And what makes a piece of cloth so special it needs to be worshiped?

People need to stop getting drunk off of the American jungle juice. If it is so special then why live in Japan - land of no guns, socialized medicine, and less billionaires.

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Well this new Priminister is just a "chip" off the old block. We all remember his Father and what kind of a "idiot" he was, nothing new has changed with this new guy.

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Hey Stranger, if you think most Harper supporters are mad, you can read more about how Rob and Doug Ford felt about it in Doug's tell-all (lies) book coming out this November. Bound to be a best seller (ha), and probably the only book most Harper supporters will read this year.

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If you live here, you know we have room. Open your heart.

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I don't know enough about those countries to know if they are successes or not. That's why. They certainly don't rank up in the top cities or happiest countries lists that I read. So I listed the countries I do read about.

You realize that I don't buy into your agenda, right?

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Canada today is like America back then (40-50 years ago maybe?) Positive, progressive and mostly caring about what's right. Now US is all about money, money, and more money, greed and corruption. What happened??

9-11.

Youve heard wrong. You've obviously not heard about Khaled Kelkal. The son of penniless Muslim immigrants, he received state scholarships to one of the top lycees in the country, before dropping out because he hated infidels (white people).

He then went on to bomb the Paris Metro, the high speed rail network, a Jewish school (children) along with assassinations, killing a few innocent people and injuring many more.

When French police shot him after a standoff, Muslims throughout France staged angry protests. Look it up.

You seem to be saying that one example disproves the theory.

Reductionist reasoning. Doesn't actually work in real life though.

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There will NEVER be "assimilation" with Muslims in a Christian or Judaism based society and vice versa.

There already is in Canada, and has been for years in the USA.

So reality would say otherwise to your bigoted claims.

An excellent point. Its telling that for the most part no one wonders anymore (or dares mention) why it is muslims the world has to worry about in this regard and not other religious groups.

Israeli oppression of the Palestinians since 1947, and America's destruction of the middle east are two of the biggest reasons.

Btw, integration or non integration doesn't have much to do with Islamic terrorism.

It has everything to do with the homegrown terrorism.

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Muslims Canadians are more patriotic than non-Muslim Canadians, tend to like the diversity of Canada more, and dislike the cold weather.

For more interesting data, see here:

http://www.environicsinstitute.org/uploads/institute-projects/survey%20of%20muslims%20in%20canada%202016%20-%20final%20report.pdf

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it is impossible to integrate Muslims-he should study history to see that it is so.....

Vapid appeals to 'history' are vapid.

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The Canadian govt will change their political tone once if the Obama administration end. Right now an appeasement is necessary.....

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What does that have to do with your claim that "democratic liberalism/ socialism spoils, poisons, and kills everything."?

only that herd type of thinking that prevails over those countries allows millions of irreconcilable refuges to flood in at the detriment of the locals.

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Thing is there are still many who struggle to get an education, job etc. I think the problem is more about French society not "integrating" it's lower classes perhaps rather than Muslims per se.

Makes sense - but still the same end result.

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JeffLee, good info re Khaled Kelkal. Wasted on the "progressives" of course. Plenty more examples just like him, e.g., the London bus/train bombers, etc etc.

Doesn't fit the regressive left"s narrative though so expect postings such as these to be labelled "reductionist thinking", etc.

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It's funny how Americans think Canadians have the same biases as them. One of the things I enjoyed most about living in Canada was the feeling of inclusion that people seemed to have for all races.

The Americans who say Canada will regret this are simply projecting their biases on Canadians. Fortunately Canadians have shown themselves to not be so foolish.

I hope I can live there again some day in my life.

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strangerland, its interesting that the european countries you cited as success stories are the ones that dont allow muslims to flood in. care to explain?

I haven't actually fact checked that point, but for the sake of argument, let's say it's true. They are success stories. They don't allow muslims to flood in. Muslims aren't going to make nor break a country's success, except for in Muslim countries.

Next question?

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its interesting that the european countries you cited as success stories are the ones that dont allow muslims to flood in.

I don't buy the premise of the question that Muslims have any bearing on the success or failure of a country. Muslims lived entirely successfully in the US before 9-11, but after 9-11 happened (none of the terrorists being American), Americans started freaking out about Muslims. Muslims have continued to live successfully in the US since that time, though maybe a little more fearful of their person.

Canada has had Muslims in it for years, and is a successful country. It's not like the Syrians are the first Muslims in Canada, there are already a lot of Muslims in Canada.

You find it 'interesting' that the countries I cited don't let in 'floods of Muslims', and yet are successful. I'm pointing out that it's a false equivalency. They are successful. They don't let in 'floods of Muslims'. You asked for an explanation - an explanation of what? They are as unrelated as asking why if dirt is brown, is the sky blue. Because dirt is brown, and the sky is blue. That's why.

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strangerland, what about the reality of the rest of my post? It showed that it WASNT a "single anecdote". Haha, you ignore reality while pretending otherwise. but who are you really fooling - yourself.

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So, is she an ESL or a Gym teacher? I don't even care. It sounds like you are taking a few cases and splashing it across the rest. Does she think we're being invaded? Perhaps she is in the wrong business (if she is, indeed, an ESL teacher), if she believes the "Canadian Way" is in danger. I live in Canada, in the most multicultural city there is, and it isn't an immigrant horde. I am white. I have friends named Samir, Raju and Kevin. Give people a chance to make a life. Will there be problems? Yes. YES. But there are problems anyways, most of which stem from the easy access to guns these days, and those aren't coming here from Syria and Iraq. Nope.

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I totally have a clue. I went through the system. You said she was an ESL teacher, and possibly a gym teacher, not a home room teacher. I never needed an ESL teacher, but I had a gym teacher, and a home room teacher. Many in fact. I can go on, if you require it.

Fluent in Japanese, eh? How long did that take? When was the last time you were in Canada? Times change, my countryman. Canada is probably not the place your nostalgia recalls. It never could have been. Nor is Canada the school your mom teaches at.

Thirty thousand people is a drop in the bucket. A number we can easily support until they're able to find their way, and they will. Why not give them the chance instead of spewing hate from across the ocean?

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Ha

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It's up to newcomers to integrate, not the other way around.

It's both. If a society is going to let people in, it has as much a responsibility to try to understand those it is letting in, as the people have a responsibility to integrate into that society.

Look how many foreigners here complain about having learned Japanese, and tried hard to integrate, and hit walls where they felt the Japanese didn't let them assimilate. People complain about that all the time on JT and forums in Japan. That's because Japan in many ways hasn't learned to properly deal with it's foreigners, by working to understand the foreigners. It expects foreigners to do the Japan thing.

No multicultural integration will work without both groups working at it.

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For those of you who harp on muslim refugees; especially those from syria, consider this:

Steve Jobs' father was a syrian muslim immigrant. His son gave us the smartphone, tablet, itunes..pretty much revolutionized the tech industry with apple inc.

Its not just the immigrants that can bring success to a country. Its also their offspring who may have the potential and drive to make something of themselves.

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MeanRingo: "I'm glad I don't have to hide my head in shame these days. I can feel proud about being Canadian again. Trudeau put us on that path once again."

Hear hear!

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I actually think most ppl are or at least were willing to give newcomers a chance.

France was mentioned in this comment list earlier. One thing I've heard about France is that they've never given their Muslims an equal crack at society, which has created bitterness and a feeling of alienation among the descendants of the original immigrants. This in turn is the type of feeling that leads to radicalization. So I definitely would not consider France a success in integrating it's immigrants.

this is just one of the small prices to pay on Canada's way to PC utopia and Justin's coronation as cool "progressive".

Reductio ad absurdum. A utopia has never existed, and never will exist.

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Actually, the prime minister has his algebra backwards. The Syrians should do all they can do to assimilate into Canadian society.

Actually it's both. One way won't work in either direction.

Hes only liked by pot smoking left wingers

You mean Canadians?

and handing out cash to gain popularity and a govt dependent society.

Ahh, the funny American view, trying to criticize a society that actually works.

Why did you leave?

It wasn't my choice.

I guess you are on the outside looking in.

Sort of. I read the news in Canada every day, and I have a significant number of Canadian friends. I'm going on what they tell me. He's still very popular in Canada, although according to them the Harper supporters are still really bitter about Harper losing in such a landslide.

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Hey strangerland, democratic liberalism/ socialism spoils, poisons, and kills everything.

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We agree to disagree.

No we don't.

I just disagree.

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The next generation will point their fingers at Trudeau and consider this policy to be the cause of great economic and societal harm that will come from it.

The next generation will praise Trudeau, and discuss how his policy made Canada's multi-culturalism a strength, creating better living conditions for everyone.

Most of these immigrants have no desire to blend in. They want to import their values and not adapt, building little North Africas and Middle Easts.

Most of these immigrants are appreciative of Canada, and want to work with Canadians to adapt, and live in a country where multiculturalism is celebrated, not oppressed.

Societies thrive and prosper when people have common goals. Diversity is not a strength, it is division and breeds disparate values, weakening a society.

Canada thrives and prospers, as it is a mulicultural country where the people have common goals. It's diversity is its strength. Exclusion an oppression of original cultures breeds disparate values, weakening a society.

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Funny how so many of the posters here harp on unfortunate people who have had their country destroyed and are just trying to make a decent life for their children, while at the same crying and complaining about the ill treatment they get in Japan.

Trudeau is the greatest leader on the planet today. His compassion for mercy and his opening of his heart and country to the syrian people will earn him a place as one of the greatest canadians who ever lived. Heck, as one of the greatest leaders who ever lived.

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